jon: we will be back here in one hour, see you then. jenna: watch out for the president. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> fox news alert, we're waiting to hear from the president on the growing crisis in iraq. at the bottom of the hour we expect president obama to make a statement at the meeting with defense secretary chuck hagel and members of his national security team. the u.s. is weighing what to do with the militant force sweeping through iraq taking overseas and towns on a march toward the capital of baghdad. iraqi government forces seem to be holding onto control of the country's largest oil refinery after it was stormed by sunni insurgents, the group called isis, who planted the flag on the ground at that refinery. we are hearing the president is coidering whether to send additional security forces to assist the iraqis.

right now there are 170 troops in iraq protecting our u.s. embassy. an additional 100 forces staged outside iraq somewhere in the region who could be called upon to go in and protect the airport there. there are mostly air force personnel be at we will bring you new developments and take you live to the white house for the president's remarks when he steps up to the podium. ♪ >> this is "outnumbered." here today, sandra smith and our one lucky guy, eric foley. today's surprise guest. >> you can't make it up. >> we're going to see if i can give him a little more grief like i did yesterday. >> we usually see eye to eye on things.

but that was brutal. >> i hope you took your flintstone vitamins and are ready to go. got a new haircut. see if he can bring is a game with a new hairdo. and it with the irs targeting scandal, some key e-mails from the fed official at the center of the scandal, lois lerner could be gone forever. the recycled hard drive after it was sent to a crash. thlatest developments triggering furious reaction after investigating the targeting of certain groups. darrell issa says e-mails like lois lerner's don't just disappear. if the irs truly got rid of evidence in a way that violated the record act assuring the fbi never got a crack at recovering files from an official claiming a fifth amendment protection against self-incrimination, this is proof their whole line of losing e-mails and the targeting scandal was just one more attempted deception. and republicans on the house

ways and means committee claiming the irs knew as early as february the e-mails were missing. lawmakers wanted answers from irs commissioner. ways and means chair subpoena the director to appear on capitol hill at 9:00 a.m. sharp. >> we need to find out what the current commissioner new. he promised a new openness for the irs, that he would give us all of lois lerner's e-mails. he didn't mention some of them are lost. we had to find out what he knew and how he knew it. >> we agree on this, okay, this is a big scandal, one of the biggest the obama administration has produced, given birth to, you could say. >> you can keep your doctor, the

va, spying on james rosen, we heard about that in the news and now this one. it is absurd they lost two years of e-mails but all of these experts said don't worry, still sitting on a hard drive somewhere. within days they found out the recycled the hard drive. they say throw them out, i guess, and they threw them out. now we can't get the archived e-mail. one quick thought, i am sure since the nsa had billions upon billions if not trillions of data in utah, i am sure it is sitting somewhere over there. >> if we were to margin to your office and throw away your hard drive, i guarantee you we could recover every e-mail you ever sent to and from fox. >> and all the websites i hit. >> i came over from the

fox business network where i talked to several it experts this morning, some veterans at microsoft in the distance for 30, 35 years, they said these e-mails can be on outlook e-mail servers, they should be at least, several files have to be kept by other employees and also any e-mails sent to other organizations or other agencies within the u.s. government, the e-mails cannot be lost, period. >> they quote them all the time, nothing digitally ever dies. what is telling is the way of the record-keeping at the irs. we have to keep the record seven years, they were keeping their e is for six months and it was up to the employee to determine whether an important e-mail should be printed and cap in a hard file. that is problematic already because now you're asking the person who does this part of the investigation to make the

decision not to do something to potentially protect herself? that is not reasonable to think that. if it was going to be thrown out, now you put it in the hands of the investigation. >> all of this plays into the favorability of the president, people not feeling confident about the government, so many scandals, do you think this one sticks? especially with this added layer to say we lost all the e-mails. >> it is definitely resonates with americans regardless if you're a democrat or republican, people are afraid of the irs and this smells. i remember i thought almost everything was backed up, that is the one thing i don't completely remember. went through extensive training of having to back up all of our official communications. they say they did not throw out their hard drive, the recycled it because it died but they are having some legal requirements.

jon: i am sure it is sitting somewhere, probably multiple places right now. we need to have some we testify, raise their hand under oath and say we really did lose them because i have a hunch this could blossom. peel back the onion with more and more layers. outgoing e-mails sitting on her hard drive, but what about the ones she was sending them to. find out what the white house receive e-mails from lois lerner. who received e-mails. are those gone too? are those hard drives gone too? >> it is interesting some of the people she might have traded e-mails with have also lost their e-mails. so what you are talking about in order to subpoena the white house and in order to get the ball rolling, do we need a special prosecutor now to look into this? are we at a point now to take the politics out of it? >> is the irs capable of

tracking down these e-mails if they are out there somewhere? >> like we saw with the va scandal, investigate themselves, is it time for somebody else? >> it absolutely is. i'm not confident anything will happen because when you are relying on the department of injustice led by the chief ideologue eric holder, he is not going to want to do this because the answers will reflect unfavorably on the administration and show this is something that was politically directed and motivated. they are in no hurry to recover any e-mails or do an investigation. by the way, how many special prosecutors and investigations do you have to have from one administration? >> they need a holding area. >> it is not like something with the u.s. federal government, it requires you to keep your

documents for 10 years going forward. >> what a double standard. the hypocrisy that's just reeks here. thilistings, it smells. >> it is not believable. >> we are definitely going to talk about this in the future because it is not going anywhere, right? waiting to hear from the president on the growing crisis in iraq and how the american people will hear the plan for going forward, how we might get involved with our military, what that might look like. his meeting with national security team, six area of defense, secretary of state and vice president. we will bring you those remarks as they happen. and the pressure is building the redskins to change their name as one of the most popular players is speaking out now, an in a mar newspaper decides to ban the name from its pages. is it just a matter of time

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>> welcome back to "outnumbered." some of the most recognizable faces in football are now speaking out about the fight over the washington redskins fame. former redskins quarterback joe theismann sets win to fight the name change but adds "i was given a cheap headdress when we win the super bowl. to me out honored to accept the headdress and i was honored to wear the uniform at the time that i did. but like anything else, society is changing almost daily." and yesterday football hall of famer terry bradshaw with a message for the team owner who vowed to never change the name. >> he's making a huge mistake by simply saying i will never. if you ever say i will never, you will eventually have to eat fat. you are keeping the team, which is the most important thing. changing the name although trademark wises millions of dollars probably but you still have the football team.

>> bold call saying he's going to have to eat his words. "the seattle times" jumping aboard refusing to print the name in its paper. the sports editor saying we are banning the name for one reason, it's offensive. far from honoring native americans, the term colors and their race. a native americans consider it an outdated label placed on their people. terry made it very clear he wasn't calling for the team to change its name, but when asked if they should, he said i think so. >> what do you think, how about asking a lineman. how about asking a defensive lineman or a linebacker. they will say keep the team's name. quarterbacks are wusses. they have been around. >> charles krauthammer things we should change it, so is he a

was? --dash wuss? >> i will call him a wuss. i love you, but our victim there being pulled all over the place. the braves, the indians, the blackhawks, not to mention countless high schools and colleges. indian tobacco, indian motorcycles, i going to poll the trademarks on all of these? >> the argument because we will have to do all these other things isn't really an argument. this is different than the word "indian." he is a board member of the united indians. i find it as offensive as like people are offended by the n-word. there are people who are offended by it, and the fact you can find some who aren't doesn't negate the fact.

>> if i am offended by some logo of a middle-aged white guy, i can say i am offended? >> you are not sinners they could turn that to the n-word or some other situation? you are now saying being called a white guy is somehow the same. >> our stage manager is wearing a hat with a logo on it. >> that is the root of the question, the nfl commissioner, a lot of writeups that he has the opportunity now to get ahead of this from becoming an even bigger racist problem for the organization. we talked about the times will not put it in print, other publications now joining suit, kansas city star, the "orange county register," san francisco chronicle. >> kansas city, aren't they the chiefs though?

you lived in kansas city. i was just pointing it out. >> it is worth pointing out because terry bradshaw pointed that they should change the name because the pressure is building with any number of people speaking out is rising by the day. >> eric bolling would talk about the free market and how that is a motivating force. that may be will have an impact and perhaps that will motivate a change in thought with the team, with the owner. right now he seems to be pretty entrenched in it, which is difficult. this story is not going away, people are not using up on it even though they win the one legal battle, they got the trademark band. all they have to do is appeal and get that back. this is a sign of momentum and

public thought in this regard. >> yes, that is 100% right. dan snyder says i am responding to the free market, responding to what our fans want to see. i think that is the smart way to do it. make a deal, cut a deal with the league to get a super bowl. >> he did use the word never, said he will never change the name of his team but interesting joe theismann said if he does change the name of the team, he wouldn't protest if he did that and eventually rebrand the franchise. >> i like joe theismann. >> reacting to some of the public outcry and the list of organizations. it has been the name for 75 years and the problem with losing her trademark protection is somebody else can use the name now.

you have done all the branding. if you don't fight this and appeal to get it back, you lose some of the power. >> lot of power. >> who is going to take that name just to mess with you and put it on something that is offensive. they are in a legally vulnerable position if they don't try to protect it. >> you and i could sell bootleg washington redskins gear and not get in trouble for it. >> always looking for an opportunity to make some money. all of you quarterbacks, i have mad love for you. republicans slamming president obama for his foreign-policy on the senate floor. how they say the president is putting american lives in danger. and waiting on the growing crisis in iraq. we will bring you the president's remarks when it happens.

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>> this is a fox news alert as we take a live look at the white house there waiting to hear from the president at any moment on the growing crisis in iraq. after this meeting with defense secretary hagel and members of the national security team, the u.s. weighing what to do with militants tearing through iraq taking over key cities and towns on their march toward baghdad. we will bring you the president's remarks live when he stepped to the podium.

coming hours after republicans blasted president obama's foreign-policy on the senate floor today calling out what they say are many failures particularly in iraq. >> president obama's withdrawal at all cost policy involving iraq has proved deeply harmful to the u.s. interest. >> due to the fact he did not leave the residual force behind, we are paying a price and the people in iraq are paying a heavier price. there are no good options remaining. this is the culmination of failure after failure of this administration. >> we've seen a collapse of the iraqi army that could have been prevented. you can't kill all the terrorists to keep us safe. our goal is to have lines of defenses, keep the war over there so it doesn't come over here. >> the first thing i think of when i watch this, i like lindsey graham and senator mccain a lot but aren't in the last people to be telling us what to do in iraq?

>> i am not sure they are the last people to be telling us what to do. >> they were so wrong about it in the first place. it takes a lot to stand up there and tell us what to do when you were leading us into it. >> i take a lot of heat from some conservatives who think i have become too much like bob beckel. i am very conservative, far right conservative, but here's what i think. we purposefully went into iraq, we were attacked on our soil and let me tell you, there are saudis that were financed that may have been financed by iranians in iraq. here is the point, in my opinion i don't think we should have stayed 10 or 12 years. declare war, do it, it out. i certainly don't want to go

back to it. they all want to go back and do it again. >> they are saying do it right and finish the job. >> that is a very vague statement. how do you do it right? >> general petraeus said he doesn't think it is a good idea to do these airstrikes. we will be taking sides and he doesn't think we should get in, what do you think of that? >> he once told me i had excellent posture. perhaps he is saying and somebody who has been on the ground, i do take wit what he ho say seriously. but i'm look at this from a national security standpoint, looking at it from a military standpoint whether or not we are willing to cede that much ground.

this is about the middle east, this is about an eventual take. it is naive to say we will pull out and not do anything. we are in this position because we did not hand them the right when we could. >> we agree we have a problem, how do you solve the problem? >> here is the issue, we all agree this is a terrible threat. >> this is a terrible threat to the united states, no question. they did not exist before we went into iraq, i think that is something to consider when we think about taking action, the unintended consequence of our actions. i appreciate kimberly's passion on this, but bad things come from those things we do. >> there is this thing called the internet now, the p.r. arm

of the terrorists is getting information out about what they will do, we are seeing pictures and video and everything else on twitter from the very group we are all fearing. the risk has always been there, the insurgents were always killers. what i see with general petrae petraeus, the fear of mission creep, we should have a healthy fear of that. you start to engage, the other problem is some of the sunnis that kind of folded themselves in, these are some of the people we helped liberate. you talk about not having as many civilian casualties as you can stomach is really the goal here. drone strikes get complicated, so i just want to lay that out particularly general petraeus. it diplomacy. i don't know.

>> some with those we heard earlier these events are not intelligence failures, they are policy and leadership failures, that echoed the signature we heard from the senators this morning. the big question is what is obama going to say in a little bit? reportedly he is leaning away from the airstrikes but the intelligence gaps are what are causing a big problem with that. the don't have the ability to identify a potential target. these are also small groups of people moving around, they are not that easy. something is happening, we must do something. sometimes what we do does not help, it makes it worse. >> i'm talk about making a decision based on the intel thinking about this in a downrange position in terms of what we have to come here. we have to prevent this thought process, this idea, this ideology from spreading. >> they are cockroaches, you kill four cockroaches, the other

40 will come out. here is what we almost did. we almost armed isis when isis was fighting in syria we almost gave them military and support. just think about what that would have entailed now. >> they haven't thus far. >>omething tells me you will continue this in the commercial break. >> correct. >> i am thinking about my posture now. threatening millions of americans, hail and tornadoes in the country still recovering from those twisters. plus she may be cute, she might even wear braces, pigtails even, but an 11-year-old taking golf by storm. is that too young for the big stage? hear from the young phenom herself. (mother vo) when i was pregnant ...i got lots of advice,

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how young is too young when the comes to playing on sports biggest stage. lucy li teed off today and she is the youngest golfer ever to qualify. this kid is ready to play with the grown women. >> the course is great. the greens are running perfectly and it is in awesome condition. there is not much rough. the areas are nice and firm and it is great. >> she is holding her own press conference. she is impressive. love it. not everybody appears to be on the welcome bandwagon. stacy lewis, the number one woman's golfer believes she is too young. >> i am a big fan of stacy

lewis. >> you think she has another motive? >> where else is she going to go from here was her comment. >> that is odd. >> this might be the little girl's only shot at the u.s. open. let her go at it. she is such a great spirit. stacy lewis should be backing her. this is great for the lpga who needs attention. >> we have been talking about the world of soccer and freddy ado started at 14 as a professional soccer player. is this a girl versus boy thing? >> i am all for this. i would love to see young boys and girls. there is a great sports academy in bradington, florida. the guy is a friend of mine.

they are blowing up and they play sports and go to school and they are geared toward being pro-golfers and tennis players. i love the idea. >> i am going to set-up a row dog with her on a blind date. i think this is great. i love america that you can be a young kid like this excel and get out there. sta stacy lewis isn't her mother or father. she said she would like them to get wins before coming out here and getting beat up. >> i don't understand why it is a controversy. >> it is her and her parent's decision. i don't understand why people are upset about it. >> go lucy! >> volunteer firefighters are racing to the scene of a fire when they noticed major holes in

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accusing his high school of blocking conservative websites. the nra's website and the state's gop website were blocked but he had no problem getting on to the states democrat side or pages like moms demand action which is a mom's response group after sandy hook. eric, he could be an investigative report. is he making too much of it? >> no, that is what school is all about. allowing kids and teaching them to give them the bases to make the decision for themselves. when he is done with the websites he should have them look at the text books because they are more bias. >> national right to life blocked, planned parenthood

accessible. the vatican blocked but islam guide accessible. what is your response? >> the fact the school hasn't said this isn't true flat out leads me to believe he is telling the truth. they would say we went on the website and went to everything. the idea of someone sitting and taking the time to block these things is pretty incredible. >> they say they hired a filtering website company to do this for them and they are looking into how they filter. >> someone would have to manually do that, wouldn't they? >> blaze.com was blocked and they reached out and the superintendent said we are looking into it. but there was no denial this was happening. the superintendent didn't say i jumped on and was able to access this. >> shady. they got caught. this was purposeful.

>> is this a legal issue? >> in my world it is illegal because it is bad. >> as eric alluded to, they ought to look at other material. >> i am guessing there is nothing illegal. that is what happens when you have public school and the whole infrastructure where you cannot fire teachers, you can not get upset and you go to pta meetings and get dragged out if you make too much noise. you get bias websites and text books. >> it seems like it happens with conservatives more than liberals. we have been covering stories as people getting canceled for their conservative views. are we not as free? >> if is happening at this school probably happening else where. >> that is why people would like

to make other choices so their minds are not poisoned and that is why they go private or responsible charter school. >> my parents were professors and i grew up in a liberal household. and i was taught this isn't liberal behavior to shutdown people who are descenting and close people off. it is we are open minded and will let people make their decisions. and we keep hearing the liberals shutdowning down the access to information. >> the word ir-liberal. >> did you teach that to bill o'reilly? >> it is my turn with the story now. can you change that? perfect. whether it is a busy office or

walking down the street woman are bound to apologize more than men. a new ad campaign to encourage women to stop saying i am sorry. >> sorry, i ask a question? >> sorry, do you have a minute? >> sorry. >> sorry. mind if i squeeze in? sorry. >> sorry. >> sorry, you go first. >> well, the same ad then goes on to show how women should do it. >> i have a question. why don't we go back to the the original thing we did. >> morning. got a minute? >> sorry not sorry.

>> sorry not sorry. >> so let's bring it around the table. when you apologize to me after the a-block you want to take it back? >> i told you i am not sorry and asked if you wanted to wear my dress. you say sorry a lot? >> i think i don't. >> by the way, i agree. >> i will save you the survey around the desk. i don't think any of us do this. this isn't something i do. >> you got on me last week -- you said harris, stop saying you are sorry. you yelled at me. i don't remember what i had apologize for. >> you were apologizing for breaking news and reading your updates. >> i look down and read my updates and i am sorry -- i am

such an information head. >> is this a gender thing or personality type? >> we could have taken clips of men saying sorry in the same situation. look, i am not saying men and women are the same. we are different. and on this level, i do believe that women tend to answer questions with more qualifierqu. we do use a lot of qualifiers like we start with i think. >> men get the point across the accurately and don't qualify it. >> i am not saying you are more right than women. >> that is where i was going with it. >> kimberly is right. she was trying to empower me. >> but the ad is directed toward women so is that a fair target or just people? >> i think it is demeaning. >> i can use my own household as

an example. i very rarely my husband say he is sorry. when he is doing business, he doesn't apologize. >> i tell him and he has taught me the lesson sometimes sorry isn't good enough. >> oh, man! >> what does that mean? >> that has a better story. >> shoes? chocolate? >> i say sorry in place of excuse me -- is that the same? >> i am going to monitor you now. >> is the location sensitive? >> i think that a lot of women do that. there is no question that a lot of women are unsure about giving their opinion but i don't think we are because we are on tv giving our opinion. you are right, harris, all of us you are likely to be the one most like this. because you are sweet and you

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what investigators say about the driver of the truck that slammed into tracey's limo. >> we thought the president would come back the at 12 oastern. and the white house pushed it back. anyone's best guess how the conversation is going right now. welcome to a new hour of happening now. a lot going on. i am jenna lee. >> i am jon scott. taking control of the facility would give militants a way to finance the invasion and losing it would be a blow for the government. connor powell has more in the mideast bureau. >> reporter: they both want to control the refinery. it is just outside of