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congress. bill: the irs says lois lerner's emails are gone. critics say it's a coverup. what is his defense? >> reporter: we expect koskinen to talk about the great lengths the irs has spent trying to track down lois lerner's emails spending staff money to turn over 67,000 emails to congress. they are expected to go over the time line and what they tried to do to track them down. we expect law makers to start to use the phrase "coverup." you can expect them to ask him why it took so long to admit to congress they were missing. they told the administration in april and didn't tell congress until last friday.

they are also missing the emails from six other officials so expect tough questioning when they get underway momentarily. bill: what is the chance of finding the emails that are missing? >> reporter: i talked to orrin hatch. he said the irs told him they threw out the lois lerner hard drives. they need to find out what outside agencies and organizations she may have emailed to see if they may have been served on those -- may have been saved on those serves. >> we need to bring in the geeks and the nerds. bring up that 26-year-old house the i.t. administrator in charge of that. we'll bring him or her before congress to find out what happened but we are in the letting go of this. >> reporter: a lot of people are noting the irs has great

forensic technology to use with taxpayers when they are trying to track down information. we'll get a crack at koskinen monday but first ways and means this morning. martha: the house oversight committee darrell issa has been leading in the the house committee investigation. he says records like these emails they have been asking for for 18 months don't simply disappear unless somebody wants them to. >> i think the american public gets it that when a disk drive quote crashes, the data is still there. and competent authorities can recover virtually if not all of that data. it's clear this disk went to this bone yard at a convenient time with convenient information. martha: joining me now is byron

york. moments away from john koskinen's testimony. no doubt he will be grilled on how the agent $i could have kept their mouths quiet for so long. >> reporter: republicans don't believe a word the irs is saying these days. koskinen about face this incredible scepticism about what's going on. orrin hatch, the nor senator, ss he met with the irs commissioner monday who told him about the lois lerner problems but didn't tell him anything about the other six irs officials whose emails are missing. it's dribs and drabs of disclosure americans are furious about. martha: where does this go from

here? >> we just couldn't know but we know lois lerner pleaded the fifth and these emails are from 2010 and 2011 which are the critical name this targeting scandal. this is something the republicans couldn't close their investigation without knowing this stuff. martha: the president said he wanted to get to the bottom of it. we heard from hillary clinton, she said she doesn't think it's a phoney scandal. there has to be a meeting of desiring to get to the bottom of this and the importance of this between both sides. >> it's going to be interesting to see what position democrats make this. if you had to summarize the democratic position in emails in three words it would be, these things happen. it's an unfortunate mishap,

computers do crash and they have been understanding about the irs. in today's hearing you want to look and see do they ask probing questions or go into full defense mode? martha: this is live coming going on. we'll be dipping into it. we'll turn it around when some of the interesting question and answer stuff gets going. bill: all the scandals we have been covering. take benghazi. democrats on the left say republicans are using it to take it to the president or hillary clinton. but the irs is different. these are individual americans. everybody understands the power of the irs. they were watching it. martha: the fact that they were not forthcoming. they have known about this for months apparently that this hard drive was gone. these emails were gone. the fact that they didn't come forth and say we know this will

look bad but we have a technological issue. it shows total disrespect for the process and the investigation that they weren't willing to go forward and say we have a problem. bill: that hearing begins now. back to that in a moment. a health scare at a federal agency that deals with public health. 75' scientists at the cdc headquarters in atlanta may have been ex posed to anthrax. >> reporter: the centers for disease controls bio response laboratory which uses protective measures at this level three lab was preparing samples of anthrax to be used at lower-level labs. they were trying to come up with better ways to detect anthrax in

piewders. but -- in powders. but they didn't use the normal protocol to activate the product. and they discorresponded they were using live virus. there are up to 86 workers now and the up in may be higher. they need to be monitored or given 60 days of anti-virus. in one point it may have become aerosolized. it's pretty shocking that the people who dedicate their lives to keeping us safe from deadly diseases themselves have become exposed. bill: congress is getting involved? >> reporter: the energy and commerce committee sent out a terse statement saying, quote, there is no room for error or

negligence when it comes to bio terror research and every precaution must be taken to insure the safety of our scientists. in 2012 a problem with the ventilation system at a high security level 3 lab pushed air from that laboratory into a hallway where visitors were walk. there was no work going on in the lab at the time. they are going through the arduous process of taking environmental air samples from of day last week in that lab. bill: john roberts in atlanta. an thrak i.anthrax is deadly whl the stuff. martha: rick perry is calling this a humanitarian toda catast. you have thousands of illegal immigrants, many of them

children, pouring across thesou. what is going on on our border and what can be done? bill: there was massive flooding taking down homes and businesses. the governor declaring a state of emergency. the water is rising today. the latest on when those folks might see some relief. report rrp president obama sending hundreds of military advisors the iraq to assess the situation. but we have no plan for airstrikes to slow down those terrorists. karl rove will join us when we come back. >> for to us do something after all this time. the president of the united states is fiddling while iraq burns. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™. [ bottle ] ensure®. ugh. heartburn.

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martha: we are back for a hearing on the veterans administration hearing. these floaks look into $10 million in bonuses paid to senior va executives. veterans at these facilities across the country had to wait and wait for the care they received. the bosses at these facilities were getting bonuses. we'll be keeping an eyen that and the irs hearing, both going on right now on capitol hill. >> the crisis in iraq growing

bloodier by the day. 300 military advisors being sent to advise and train iraqi forces. critics saying the president is already responsible for the rapid decline in iraq. first of all we have to understand there are no good options remaining. this is a culmination of failure after failure of this administration. >> you want to see a war on women? i'll show you one. can you imagine what little girls are thinking today in the $sunni part of iraq and syria? can you imagine the hell on earth? the people who would do that to their own, what would they do to us? bail * karl rove a deputy senior advisor and chief of staff to george w. bush. i think mccain has it right, there are no good options. what is a good option?

>> i think the president directionally is going in the right way. we are putting in military advisors. they will establish two joint operating centers, one in northern iraq and the heart of the sunni-al qaeda effort and one in baghdad to do joint planning and intelligence gathering and collection. they are going to put some of these people with individual brigade commanders, the brigade they think are most likely to be in the for owe fronts of the fighting. and they are conducting extensive reconnaissance using f.a.-18s and:3-rbgs surveil -- and p3 surveillance. we are late and we may be too small when and if the president says he's going to engage in precise limit action. if they identify the leadership

of al qaeda and where they are, are they going strike them? we'll know soon. it will be interesting to see what the response is to secretary kerry's diplomatic trip. i was in europe and my suspicion is talking to people in the region recently, my suspicion is what kerry will hear from a lot of these people is are you going to get this thing done and do what you need to do in order to use your air assets, your counter-terrorism expertise, intelligence gathering to degrade al qaeda and to stop the creation of a caliphate in iraq and syria. bill: if that is all true, on the map we can show the shaded region where we believe isis is in control from aleppo in eastern syria down to the border with iran. if that is the case, karl, then if you are going to chase down these fighters it's not just

iraq, it's syria, too, and there will be strikes inside that country. >> in all likelihood yes. and we'll have to step up assistance to the free syrian army and the non-al qaeda factions in syria to degrade them. the hand of al qaeda has been strengthened inside syria and isis, the al qaeda affiliate are enemies of the assad regime and enemies of al qaeda. bill: that's mission creeping. that's something the president doesn't want to happen. >> he already pledged support to the free syrian army. he degrades al qaeda and he does something to live up to the pledge that he made nearly three years ago that assad need to go. an puts force behind his commitment he would fact they

crossed the red line of using chemical weapons which they have and apparently continue to do. bill: that red line is a very long line that will continue to grow there. are you of the mind the reason we did not leave a force of 10,000 behind in iraq -- the president said the iraqis wouldn't let us. maliki wouldn't give us the agreement. are you of the mind the administration didn't want that agreement in order to have the reason and rationale to pull american forces out of iraq? campaign promise fulfilled, the iraq war is winding down and ended. what do you think? >> it's hard to define intent. they said they wanted it. they sent joe biden to negotiate. then they put in a condition that they wanted parliamentary approval.

maliki had the authority to do it but it was imposter him to go to his parliament because he was trying to form a government and this would have bell embroiled in domestic politics. the administration basically made it impossible to do the deal. he has rewritten history twice. he rewrote it during the debates with mitt romney where he said he didn't want it, now he's blaming it on maliki. but at times he wanted and and he knew it was in our interests to do so. does anybody think isis would be where they are if necessity had intelligence gathering and people to help? no, they wouldn't be. do they think the syrians would be resupplying hezbollah. this was one decision that garnered the support of all of our allies and brought together

people as disparate as the iranians and the israelis who wanted a stabilized force in iraq and the president said he agreed. martha: there is heavy flooding causing the ground to open up next to a hospital. we are getting new pictures of this coming as fears are emerging these mudslide could get a whole lot worse. it's a hospital in minneapolis. we are live with the latest. bill: it's called a humanitarian disaster in texas. what can be done and what will be done. rick perry on o'reilly last night. >> this many team moving through central american through mexico to the southern border of the united states, i don't think it happened by accident. woman: this is not exactly what i expected.

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bill: new accusations against scott walker of wisconsin. governor walk are responding earlier today on fox and friends saying this is nothing but old news. >> both judges said they didn't buy the argument. they didn't think anything was done that was illegal. they went forward and said we don't buy it and they shut the case down at the state and federal level. many in the national media are look at the state backward. this is a case that has been resolved. not one but two judges said it's over. bill: no charges have been filed against the governor or anyone on his staff. martha: in minnesota the governor has declared a state of

emergency after torrential rain caused flash flooding. look at this picture. this is a mudslide that goes all at way to a hospital in minneapolis. stephanie gailhard joins us live. what's happening there? >> reporter: no one was you are in the this mudslide but a really scary situation. two people were driving on west river parkway in minneapolis when mud came sliding down this hill behind the university of minnesota medical center. now there is up to 8 feet of degree, mud and kree limbs line the road. i want you to take a look at that white oxygen cannister. last night there was a concern that would topple down the hill. authorities today are relieved that didn't happen. in the last half-hour we have

seen officials by the white cannister. they were saking photos and investigating. it appears they are trying to figure out where to go next. luckily this did not affect any patients at the university of minnesota medical center. however, as a precaution, 20 people in a nearby building were vac wait. authorities say debris from the mudslide fell into the mississippi river. so it could cause problems for boaters. it could also cause problems at the locks and dams. as far as the next step is concerned, structural engineers and park board officials will determine where to go next from here. but at the moment crews want to let this site settle and dry before they can start the cleanup process. martha: thank you very much, stephanie. bill: the first signs of

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bill: the affordable care act in danger of not living up to its name. the "wall street journal" reports insurance rates could increase up to 20% for some. stewart varney is with me now from the fox business network. this is obamacare, this is how much you are paying. the report concludes what? >> reporter: you are getting your first peek at what you are going to pay in 2015. the "wall street journal" looked at big insurers in 10 states. they are posting their early rate increase. the rates going up between 8% and 22%. then the national bureau of economic research says the cost of healthcare is going up more now than it did before obamacare came along.

bill: the promise was to bring healthcare costs down and control the percentage of the increase and you are saying that's not happening. the question then is why? >> reporter: prices and cost of care is going up because obamacare requires you cough for illnesses. benefits have been expand so the cost has to go up. bill: they said if you buy this plan you have to have come for x, y and z. you have to have coming for the entire alphabet, whether you need it or not. >> it's one more cost that's going up. as the premiums go up so does the amount of money the taxpayers have to shell out for subsidies. the higher the premiums the more dollars coming from taxpayers. this is hitting right before the november elections. >> you are saying it was 14%,

now you are 2% higher. when you promise that costs will be under control and the rate of increase will be lower than it is now and it's not. you vote for it. you signed into law, you break that thing you boil. >> that's why many democrats are running away from obamacare as the election approaches. they voted for obamacare. the cost for the average person is going up, not down. very important. bill: stuart varney from fox business. thank you. martha: house speaker john boehner putting his criticism of obama on very blunt terms. he says the wheels are coming off the obama presidency. he points to the irs, the va

scandal and the deteriorating situation in iraq as proof of the president's failing leadership. >> after the last election i said i hoped the president would seize the moment and take the lead. here we are a year and a half later you look at this presidency and you can't help but get the sense that the wheels are coming off. bill: brad brakeman the former deputy assistants to george w. bush. gentlemen, thank you, it's great to have you here. what we are hearing from john boehner is something we have been hearing solidly from conservatives saying the presidency is in some very, very tough shape. but this what is the president said, juan. this first question to you. not too long ago about how he things things are going. >> the world is less violent than it's ever been. it's heeltier than it's ever been, it's more toll rants than

it's ever been. been. >> the hope that the president had was that we were pulling out of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. though syria was still bubble and syria has been, i think diffused and set off the bomb that we now see blowing up inside of iraq. martha: isis was bubbling as well. you look at these reports and it makes the president look very disebb gaged and very out of touch with what is going on all around. certainly through the middle east and then you look at nigeria and kenya. how the president could have said, this is in june, this sound bite, that he thinks the world is doing really pretty well. >> reporter: the american people know better. they read the news, they watch fox news, they see what is going 0 on around the world.

look what's happening in russia. we have no relationship with russia. we allowed putin to take off crimea and cause mischief in europe. china is speaking aggressively against the disputed island in japan. the canadians are mad at us over the xl pipeline and the loss of jobs and opportunities. the mexicans are holding a marine. iraq is being besieged. how can this president say things are better, safer and calmer. the american people know better and the president knows better. the president is disengaged. leaders are supposed to prevent things from happening, not merely respond to them. and respond well when they do happen. martha: if we can put up the recent foreign policy numbers. the question of engage, juan, and being involved. this president when he came into office suggested in many ways

that the united states had been strong arming in some situations, that the united states had meddled where we didn't belong in other situation. and he felt that the diplomacy and speaking to people was the way to solve the problems in the world. where is the engagement with maliki? this comes as a surprise this government was falling apart? give me examples of when the president has reached out and been engaged to influence the problems that he is dealing with today? >> they are all over the world. i think this whole -- the way we are presenting it is so unfair. the fact that you have had had crises erupt and even in the situation inside walk. how can you say the united states has not been engaged when we had trials of dollars spent there. what he went to war to try to help that nation establish a stable political democracy. martha: the question was what examples can you give me of

engagement by the president talking to these leaders, meeting with these leaders saying i'm concerned, i have got my people on the ground mere, tell me what's going on. >> i think you are trying to make a point and you are make it too large. you can criticize secretary kerry for the failure of the negotiations went palestinians and the israelis but you can't say he didn't try. you can criticize what's going on with putin but you can't say the president didn't try. you can criticize the failures to reach a deal with iran but you can't say the president and his administration aren't trying. you look at the approval numbers. the "wall street journal" poll has the president at his lowest numbers. but then you look at republicans and they don't have alternatives. the world has chaotic locations but it's not the point of the president not being engaged. martha: brad, is that true?

>> look at iraq. he puts joe bide in charge of the negotiations? when is the last time joe biden worked this issue to any effect? this rights to the level of presidential engagement. this is the ability of the president to lead and persuade and in some instances twist an arm. where have our allies been? look at his schedule. the president has not engaged on this issue, and by the way, i have been in several white houses'. the president has inside information we are not privy to. how is it he's so float footed that the first time he hears about it is he hears it on tv or reads it in the paper? >> the american people know you have to have a president who has some trust and is not reacting in a sudden, flashy way. but reacting steadily. where is the republican leadership on this issue?

martha: we don't have a republican president of the united states at the moment. i have got to leave it now. thank you, juan, thank you, brad. more on this coming up. bill: this biker must have had an angel sitting on his shoulder. slammed by a trucker and flied through the air and walks away. march already a wave of humanity flooding across the southern border. what can be done to stop what's going on on our southern border? >> i asked him directly. what caused you to do this, to come here, there is a lot of them. i pretty much got the same answer from all the individuals i spoke to. it was the media down there and central america is letting them know. ♪

>> martha: this is quite a survival story for a motor signinglist from tampa, florida. he looks like a stunt man making a movie but this is no stunt. two complete cartwheels completed in the air. he got up and walked away. he was not hurt. the drive was cited for making and i he will consider an illegal wrong tow of -- make an

illegal wrong turn and driving without a license. >> the government must uphold their constitutional dudey to secure that border. bill: a sudden surge of thousands of illegals, most of them children out of central america overwhelming facilities in texas. so many they are being sent to . we have a border patrol agent who is with the union in arizona. tell me so our viewers understand what is your job and who are you in charge of in arizona? >> i'm the president of the local union down here for the tucson sector. i pretty much represent the agents. the true boots on the ground you would say out there doing the

job. bill: they are guarding the border. why is texas having such an issue and it doesn't appear arizona is having the same issue. why is that? >> arizona is still having a lot of issues. we don't need to say we are not having the issues. some of our opinions and ideas on the matter is arizona is responsible for about 60 per of all the drugs that are seized in the entire country. tips these cartels in mexico -- sometimes these cartels in mexico work in a way so they don't allow the people traffickers to work from the areas because it would upset their drug smuggling operation. bill: the drugs are coming through arizona and the people are coming through texas? >> correct. bill: now you have a situation where texas is trying to beef up the border and they are spenting $3.2 mill to do that.

but is that going to get the message to guatemala and honduras where they are being told if you step a foot there you are there. it's a one-way ride and you are not coming back. >> what are they going to spend this money on? they have a lot of teg they spend millions of dollars on. millions. and nothing has come out of it. we have agents we were facing a couple months ago paycuts, and there were issues with the hours and overtime they needed to perform the job. now, you brought all this extra money. but what are they going to use it. up need the agents on the ground to make these arrests. >> reporter: is anybody being sent home? >> to my knowledge we are receiving these people, we are turning them over to orr and they work together with i.c.e. and they locate their family members in the united states, and they are given to their family members. if these people are coming into

our country illegally that means their family members are illegal in the country or else they would do the proper paperwork to make sure they came into the country legally. bill: you want the word to spread in hon dur as you and el salvador, you send people home, that word will spread quickly. >> it will spread more quickly and it's more efficient money-wise. not just the damage that will be done allowing these people to be in here illegally. you hear about amnesty talks. these kids will be here 15-20 years. we'll want another amnesty in 20 years? it's a never-ending door. bill: and you have the mexican government taking bribes and allowing people to cross the border. why do you bleach washington is allowing this to happen year after year? >> i don't know.

maybe we are trying to be the policeman -- trying to set an example. i always said, you know, as the united states we are always trying to set an example. but i think it's time to wake up and realize no one is following our example, everyone is taking advantage of our examples. i'm the pen that broke and told the news media because i have spoke to the kid directly. i have been in these detention facilities and i asked them, how much are you paying to come into the country? they said between $4,000 and $5,000. i asked how was your visit through mexico coming through the country and they all say we were stopped by various authorities within mexico, police officers, and they asked us for bribes to get to the northern border. bill: i'll we'll stay in touch and i'll bring you back.

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>> a multi million dollar yacht sitting in dock going up in flames. the yacht called polar bear burning for hours. damage could be $18 million. martha: veterans often struggle to find a job this economy. but a new program is letting them take the skills they learned in the military straight into the workplace. finally some good news. tell us about this.

>> reporter: this is welcome news for veterans. i want to introduce you to one of the success stories of this program in western michigan. he served 8 years in the army and two tours in iraq. he had the quality, skills and abit employers should love like discipline, commitment and working well on a team. but he struggled to find a steady job that could provide for his family. then he heard about spectrum health's veteran explorer's program. it's a 30-week paid internship that allows them to learn job skills along the way with the goal of landing a job. >> it gives you a little bit of hope. we are not forgotten about. especially there is so much negative news about veterans and the va and just all the negativity that's attached veterans at times.

but this program gives the veterans an opportunity to highlight their success and attributes and their skills. >> reporter: we are happy to report this story has a happy ending. gary found out he has a full-time job offer from the hospital. martha: good for him. thank you very much, garrett. bill: it is getting tense on the hill. the head of the irs facing a barrage of questions on two years of lost emails. the republican in charge of that committee looking for an apology. did he get one? we'll play that exchange for you in a moment.

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as the case of the missing e-mails. brand new hour starts now in "america's newsroom," i'm martha mccam lull. bill: and i'm bill hemmer. john koskinen facing to have questions on the hills, angry lawmakers getting fed up with the excuses they're hearing too. the agency claims a computer crash wiped out more than two years of e-mails. lawmakers are not buying it. here is the chairman of the committee, dave camp, says the e-mails are not the only thing missing. >> what i didn't hear in that was an apology to this committee. >> i don't think an apology is owed. there are not a single e-mail has been lost since the start of this investigation. every e-mail has been preserved that we have. we have produced or will produce by the end of -- >> you don't think the time period between january 2009 and april 2011 is relevant to this investigation? >> it is a very relevant time frame -- >> all right, the letter we received on friday the 13th

admitted that the lerner e-mails were lost for this two-and-a-half year period -- >> they were lost off her hard drive. >> let me finish, and i'll give you an opportunity to answer. >> that's fine. >> but you failed to explain the timeline of events that led to that admission. martha: there's more where that came from. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live on the north lawp. you asked the white house directly if they knew what happened. do they know anything about this situation? what'd they say? >> reporter: i asked jay carney at his last briefing a couple days ago, and he basically said, look, referred me to the irs, said he didn't know what happened to lois lerner's e-mails. in fairness, jay carney says 67,000 lois lerner e-mails have been turned over, but that doesn't really get at the point of these lost e-mails. so you can turn over 67,000, important to note it suggests that there's been some cooperation with this investigation, but if there's two years' worth of e-mails

during the critical period, we just don't know what's in there. jay carney also noted that in their initial search of those other e-mails, the ones they have, there was nothing between lois lerner and the white house. there was no coordination, they say, in terms of targeting tea party groups. but again, what's in the other e-mails? john koskinen, the commissioner -- who you just played that sound bite from -- in previous testimony months ago said there were backups and said, don't worry, we're going to turn over the e-mails. this is months before that letter saying we don't though what happened to those e-mails. he said there were backups, so that's what i think you'll see republicans zeroing in on on the hill. there's just a gap in the story. martha: yeah. it appears to me although the white house, even though they obviously want to push this off on the irs, the president said he was appalled by it and the irs has to be beyond reproach. he said there's not a smidgen of corruption in this.

>> reporter: right. martha: since then you've got these disappearing hard drives and lois lerner taking the fifth. >> reporter: well, and remember, the president after initially saying it was a big deal and he was outraged also said at another point it was part of a phony scandal. so they have tried to downplay it. as more reporting came out, it showed there were potentially democratic groups that were targeted as well, but certainly more documents suggesting that the tea party was being going after, and that's been a fight back and forth. here's the broader point, i think, as well. two things, one, john boehner yesterday said in his words he doesn't think the president has lifted one finger to try to get to the truth in this investigation. that's something they would deny here at the white house, obviously, but i think that shows there's still going to be pressure from boehner and other republicans in this midterm election year. number two, could you imagine if you were being investigated by the irs and you told them, yeah, i could prove to you but nothing went wrong, but i lost the

e-mails, the hard drive's been destroyed. i seem to think there'd be some skepticism. martha: yeah. i don't think that would to over very well, and i think they would find myriad ways the try to get their hands on whafs needed -- what was needed. ed, thank you. bill: more now with chris stirewalt, good morning to you. the question went out about a special prosecutor. here is the question and answer now from a moment ago. >> you support the appointment of a potential prosecutor? >> there are six investigations going on -- >> yes or no. >> the ig is already investigating this. >> can you give a definitive answer to this committee? yes or no, do you support the appointment of a special >> i do. i do. >> i'm not controlling the time, i'm asking a question that can have a simple yes or no answer. [inaudible conversations] >> i think -- >> regular order. >> i think the appointment of a special prosecutor after the six investigations that are ongoing and the ig investigation into

this matter ongoing would be a monumental waste of taxpayer funds. >> so is that a yes or a no? >> that's a no. will: wonder how the public reacts to that. i guess you could ask then why did you know that these hard drives were gone in february and just found out about 'em now, in mid june, chris? >> the proliferation of useless numbers as it relates to investigations has been a remarkable trend in washington in the last couple of years. we gave you 80 million e-mails. i gave you 27 hard drives. we have six investigations. on and on about numbers. numbers are irrelevant metrics when it comes to investigations. 30,000 e-mails or 100,000 e-mails don't heart if you're missing the one that you need -- don't matter if you're missing the one that you need. the problem here and what is very hard for the white house to deal with is the allegation against the irs is not that they

are nincompoops or not that they have a bad i.t. department or not that they were struggling to implement the law, but, in fact, they had an intent, that people at the irs had a intent to interfere with two elections, in 2010 and 2012. the direct beneficiary thereof being president obama. so when you talk about misbehavior, alleged misbehavior that benefits a politician, it seems unlikely that that politician's administration can make a good investigation of those acts. if there has ever been an argument for an independent investigator, this meets all of those definitions. bill: it's my sense that the reason why this story crosses both political lines and the reason it sticks is because everybody understands the power of the irs. >> right. bill: you heard what hillary clinton said when bret and greta

asked her about it the other night, it can be very serious stuff. dan henninger writes this: the watergate break-in was the professionals of the party in power going after the party professionals of the party out of power. the irs scandal is the party in power going a after the most average americans imaginable. whether it's alabama or arkansas or ohio or on and on, chris. >> the federal government itself using an incredibly powerful agency to interfere with an election that determines who constitutes that federal government is the most serious charge imaginable in a relick, period. there's -- republic, period. there's no worse charge you could make against a government than meddling in the elections that determine who leads that government. that is a very dangerous thing. the republicans have a lot of fat in the fire on this by making that claim, but just never forget how serious that claim is and why that would

merit an investigation. when it concludes, they can say, yeah, the e-mails were lost, yeah, it was this way, and it can be said with some conclusiveness. bill: let's also remind people about whether it's lois lerner or a half dozen people who apparently have their hard drive missing now or gone or destroyed, and that is this: those were e-mails, chris, that were outgoing. >> you got it. bill bill and to whom were they going? democratic senators on the hill? people working for the white house? we don't know. but when you don't produce them, the hunch is that you're hiding something swl. well, exactly. and if this was a criminal case, you'd be, you'd have to assume evidence deemed destroyed. evidence deemed destroyed would be rendered in the light least favorable to the defense. the judge would just tell the jury to assume until worst. you'll have to assume the worst if this evidence was destroyed, and if you assume the worst here, a jury would basically have to conclude that something in these e-mails, something in these e-mails was to somebody

that brought a collusion beyond just the folks at irs and into some of those same democratic senators, into the white house, into the folks who were publicly pressuring the irs to crack down on their political foes. bill: then you wonder who's getting audited at that time too. listen, it goes deep, and it's a question of when you get to the bottom of this. and right now we don't know, but, chris, thank you for your time. chris stirewalt, he writes "let's not forget why we care," and he laid it out really well. nine minutes past. martha: new sound coming from that testimony we'll bring to you in a moment. stick around for that. and in the meantime, president obama announcing advisers and john kerry heading to iraq. bill o'reilly saying that he believes that is not enough. >> mr. obama is basically a man of theory not action, a person who avoids evil rather than confronting it. and the evil doers know it. martha: so is there anything to do in iraq that could change the

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situation and try the help on the ground in iraq. now, these advisers are going to train security forces to tackle insurgents threatening to take over or divide, really, the country of iraq. the plan, which also includes increased surveillance of the terror group known as isis, does not at this point call for any airstrikes. our own bill o'reilly says he believes that is a mistake. >> we defeated terrorism there at a great cost in blood and treasure, and now terrorism's back. we cannot defeat it again on the ground, but we can damage the terrorists from the air. and we should do that. putin, china, now al-qaeda all directly challenging america and the world. martha: joining us now, major general robert scales, fox news military analyst. good to see you, general, as always. >> hi, martha. martha: do you agree? >> no, i don't agree, it's too soon. just dropping bomb withs doesn't accomplish anything, martha. the secret of an operational air campaign is intelligence. you have to know where the enemy is before you drop the bombs s.

and, you know, we've been out of the intelligence-gathering business over iraq for two and a half years, and we haven't done a very good job over syria. so the isr, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance infrastructure, has to be put in place, we have to start identifying targets before you have airplanes dropping bams because if you're going to drop bombs in, essentially, a sunni area without proper intelligence, you run the risk of killing innocent civilians and making a bad situation even worse. martha: yeah. and as some have said, if you kill more sunnis, you're basically doing the work that iran wants you to be doing. it's extremely complicated situation. do you think it's too late to fix iraq? >> well, first of all, let's be clear, it's up to the iraqis to fix iraq. 900 special forces -- 300 special forces soldiers acting as advisers is a good idea. they can help stiffen these brigades, and that's all good. isis is no longer al-qaeda. it is a highly trained,

well-led, well-financed, incredibly well-organized, dedicated military force that's doing incredible harm to iraq. and iraq is in disarray. only the kurds are able to put up a legitimate resistance. so if this is going to work, the iraqis have to get their act together, they have to defend baghdad, and then they have to push back against key nodes, things like the oil refineries and some of the more vulnerable cities and take the offensive back to the enemy. right now the only thing that's keeping isis out of baghdad is the weather and their focus on sunni-specific cities, not their ability to move into baghdad. martha: you make them sound very formidable. >> they are. martha: we've had different takes on them in terms of how difficult they would be, though, to defeat. some people say, you know, that they can be pushed back, they can be dealt with. and i want to get your thought on that and also what's the goal? i mean, as a military person, that's always what you have to look at, right? what's the, what do you want to

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comes to congress a couple years ago, misleads us and says no target's occurring. then it says it was a few rogue agents in cincinnati, then it said it was also unprogressives. all of those things have been proven untrue. this committee sent a criminal referral, a possible criminal wrongdoing just a month ago to the justice department. we've heard nothing. you bury in a 27-page letter to the senate asking for them to conclude the investigation that you've lost lois lerner's e-mails during the time in question because of a hard drive crash. monday our investigators asked your agency whether any other hard drives crashed, and we learned that six other hard drives of the people we're investigating were involved, you didn't tell us that. >> we told you on monday. >> on monday. >> and what did you do with the -- >> because we asked you. >> right. and what did you do with that information? >> you told us on monday because we asked you whether any other

hard drives crashed. this is unbelievable. >> we answered your questions. >> you told us you were going to give us all of lois lerner's e-mails, and you learned in february this crashed. >> i did not learn in february -- >> i'm not asking a question. >> my apologies. >> you are the internal revenue service. you can reach into the lives of hard working taxpayers, and with a phone call, an e-mail or a letter you can turn their lives upside down. you ask taxpayers to hang on to seven years' of their personal tax information in case they're ever audited, and you can't keep six months worth of employee mails? and now that we are seeing this investigation, you don't have the e-mails. hard drives crashed. you learned about this months ago, you just told us, and we had to ask you on monday. this is not being forthcoming. this is being misleading again. this is a pattern of abuse, a

pattern of behavior that is not giving us any confidence that this agency is being impartial. i don't believe you. this is incredible. >> i have a long career. that's the first time anybody has said they do not believe me. >> i don't believe you. >> that's fine. we can have a disagreement. i'm willing to stand on our record. i'm willing to remind you it was not buried in 27 pages. when asked about the custodians, we advised you -- >> being forthcoming -- >> -- which we knew for one day. >> being forthcoming -- >> i'm sorry. >> -- you know what? >> will you let him answer the question? >> i didn't ask him a question. martha: wow. i mean, you know, everything that he lays out in the beginning of that is a timeline, and it makes sense, and people say, yeah, seven years of my tax records, and you can't come up

with six months? and you look at the timeline, bill, june 13, 2011, lois lerner reported that her hard drive had crashed. so why wouldn't this be information they put out there instantly? just so you know, we had a technological problem. no, that never happened. they've made it difficult upon more difficult every step of the way, and it makes them look guilty offing? bill: these lawmakers oftentimes we wait for these hearings, and we wonder when are you going to get to the point. they have clearly gotten to the point today. back to that hearing in a moment as it continues on the hill. steve hayes set to analyze in a moment here. martha: we'll be watching it all throughout the rest of the program and all throughout the day. so holy smoke, folks, or is it unholy smoke? what pope francis says about marijuana. he's weighing in on that. bill: also she's good, lucy lee playing like a pro at the u.s. open. she's 11 years old.

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bill: they promised to this, stephen hayes is watching and listening to this irs hearing. by way of hearings, what

paul ryan just laid out, what with a timeline in a series of events based on what lawmakers were told at the time the irs told them, what do you make of that? >> it is interesting to watch paul ryan in this context. i have followed paul ryan's career for a number of years, i have covered him very closely in the presidential campaign in his history in wisconsin, which is my home state. i don't know that i've ever seen paul ryan as angry as he is right here. he is usually reserved and doesn't let his emotions get the best of him. he was serious. they made it very clear he thought the irs was deliberately deceiving members of congress as they sought information from the irs over the past year and a half.

bill: everybody understands what he is talking about. if we need your back taxes, and i rest says we need five years of your tax returns, out and prove it. everybody can relate to that. that is why it crosses political lines unlike the other stories we have watched the past two years. although legitimate, it may be picked up on the left. like benghazi. a lot of people think it is a republican story. this is a story that gets everybody because they understand it. >> i think that is right. what they have in common this it is clear to everybody the administration hasn't been straightforward with the american people. we had nothing to do with the talking points and you see 100 pages of e-mails that the white house clearly had something to do with talking points, you know they are not

being honest. the irs story is the same. the administration, the irs hasn't been straightforward with the american people from the outset. the reason i think this resonates to your point is the obvious double standard. if you are audited commie don't have the option to say to the irs it was on my computer, i don't have it anymore, sorry, i cannot provide the information. you're going to have to go back and re-create all the information that is missing whether it is missing for legitimate reasons or not. bill: otherwise you will be fined, or worse. republican from ohio, he was just talking as well. it runs about 90 seconds, let's listen to this. >> if the president would have asked me to be commissioner of the irs and i found out in may, april, march, february what you found out.

rather than barry at in a letter on page 15, here's what i would have done. just as a suggestion because of the lack of confidence in the american people and this committee have because of how our constituents are treated differently and how the irs leadership traits america, this just i just found out this happened, pick up the phone, the president has a phone, you probably have a phone, call and say something very bad just happened. i don't know why. i don't think it is a cover-up, don't think it is criminal but because of the past and the lack of transparency and because we are a really important agency the american people need to have confidence in and congress needs to have confidence in, i just wanted you to be aware of this and we will continue to try to get to the bottom of this. when you don't do that, for what

reasons i understand completely what you are saying, when we find it buried in a letter and then on monday because we asked the question not because you provide the information, because we asked the right question and ongoing questions we hadn't figured out the right questions yet, we get the right answer? there is a feeling here oh, my gosh, the irs has no credibility. bill: that's dangerous for our country. congress then pat tiberi ohio state. >> when you administration put forward the new head of the irs, the argument was this guy is a pro, he will take this seriously, whatever problems we had getting from the irs will end because his professional minded and will be straightforward and his deals with congress. this very clear from these

latest developments that has not been the case. watching koskinen and his reaction questioning this sort of smug look on his face as if to say you can't come after me today. his explanations are falling short in virtually every respect, she is not answer the question as to why he didn't flag this very important information and only provided it when members of commerce asked it in a very specific way. you look at the kind of deception from the irs before he became the head of it. bill: quickly, where does this go, where does this lead us, what happens next? >> look, it is a big deal for the suggestions you mentioned earlier. people understand the irs and the administratio administration straightforward and they understand the irs has a huge double standard in what they require from taxpayers and what they are providing now. ultimately it is more and more

like you had a federal government that was targeting political opponents of the president and we need to find out exactly who knew about it and how that happened. bill: thank you. another hearing on monday as well, we will talk again. appreciate it. >> thanks, bill. martha: joining the debate on marijuana raising here in the united states, uruguay and beyond. the condemned attempt to legalize recreational drugs. he said to they often lead to unintended consequences. lauren green on this story in new york. what else has he had to say about this, lauren? >> martha come up hope frances is denouncing in the strongest way to date railing against the legalization of recreational drugs fight the growing trend on banbanned substances. even limited attempts to limit drugs is a bad idea. he says such moves are "not only

highly questionable for my legislative standpoint, but they fail to produce the desired effects." in case that wasn't strong enough, the pope said "let me state this in the clearest terms possible, the drug use is not solved with drugs." the pope is often preached against the drug use and met with addicts many time. martha: lauren green reported this morning for us. bill: you administration hit with fresh fire over the release of bowe bergdahl 45 dangerous tele- bandleader. >> i wants to say something to the anonymous sources for the second platoon. show yourself, speak in your own name, have the courage and convictions. if you don't, shut up, stand back and think these men for their service. until you're sure you do.

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every day in ranger school we recite a ranger creed i will never leave a fallen comrade. you know who didn't leave a fallen comrade? all the soldiers who went after him in the weeks and months after his disappearance knowing he had deserted. martha: joining us now, tom cotton. in the middle of a senate race. we will check some of that. you are a former army ranger, served in iraq, correct? >> iraq and afghanistan. martha: you obviously were very upset in that video went viral as we say on youtube, it has been everywhere over the last couple of days. what were you so upset about? >> the prisoner swap with a terrible one making america face greater danger in afghanistan. what i find particularly

disturbing was the staffers criticizing the service of the platoon saying they were undisciplined or unfairly criticized private bergdahl which was deserting his units. these are anonymous staffers who spent the last 10 years patrolling the mean streets of the georgetown cocktail party. the closest most of them have ever come to a gun is a water pistol at the white house easter egg roll. they have to come forward and speak in their own names or just think the soldiers for the services they performed and keeping them safe in washington, d.c. martha: we have spoken to some of bowe bergdahl's fellow soldiers who have reported on our show about what they believe was his desertion. all of that will come out, i suspect, as this investigation continues. what do you think needs to be next for bowe bergdahl? >> i understand he is still receiving medical care.

when he is medically cleared, his chain of command and his unit needs to decide whether to proceed with action under the uniform code of military justi justice, he needs to have his day on trial if he is accused of wrongdoing. what doesn't need to happen is the seniors or the officers of the pot gon pentagon unveiling unnecessary action. not the political considerations. martha: you are in one of the sixth big senate races that are being closely watched across this country. we have a clear politics average that shows your up by about four on the two-term senator from your state, obamacare is one of the big issues. because iraq and afghanistan are so much in the news right now, i do want to ask you what you think about the president's decision to send as many as 300 military advisors to iraq right now. what do you think about what has

happened there lately? >> it is a terrible tragedy. they gave their life to protect our national security. the president's decision is a decent first step, but we are probably going to need to provide more support, more leverage over the iraqi government whatever the government's constitution is in the coming days and weeks to be sure we don't have al qaeda controlling much of iraq and syria. that is not why we fought in iraq and it is dangerously american people. martha: an open invitation to senator pryor, who you're running against a common to talk to us as well. congressman, thank you very much, good to see you today. >> thank you. bill: some of the top stories making headlines today. smash and grab drive-by style. the use drive a vehicle into a cell phone store grab 30 phones and a cash drawer that ended up being empty.

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but not what you are used to seeing. bill: i don't own a harley but i understand harley owners like the feel, like the sound. >> that is what they need to find out. they will be taking on the road and let current riders see what they want it to sound and feel like. bill: you can't go out and buy this yet? >> not yet. they have put a lot of work into it, it is pretty far down the road as far as development is concerned. bill: why is harley doing this, do you think? >> everybody's getting into the electric vehicles, but it has not yet exploded in the motorcycles. a couple of companies in california are doing it. only sell a couple thousand per year. harley wants to reach and new ground for riders.

bill: is that the people who don't want to burn gasoline? >> fuel is not a big issue with motorcycles. but they are great performance, fantastic to drive, tons of power. the only problem is they don't go that far. this is about 53 miles per charge although there are others that can go well over 100, 150 miles. bill: you say this bike will be fast. >> it is as quick as a corvette. it is going to be fast, most of these electric bikes are pretty quick. bill: are electric motorcycles ready for prime time? >> there are a few on the road already. they're just not big companies, they are startups. harley sells about 100 times more regular motorcycles. bill: the golden question is

will harley fans accept the power? >> that is the question. will it have to be a new fan. if harley can sell twice as ma many, this could be a pretty successful product for them. but they have a good chance with the dealer network they could sell quite a few of these. looking overseas as well, they want to expand more in europe and asia. bill: it has the harley logo. 53 miles per charge? >> right now. bill: thank you, gary. martha, what is next? martha: it is a startling health care for the cente center of die control. workers exposed to anthrax. how this can happen when we come back. ology, ology, you can get to those hard to reach places for the ultimate shave wet or dry.

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incredible act of courage. president obama warning lance corporal carpenter in medal of freedom. he was in afghanistan for years ago when he jumped on a live grenade savin seven the life ofs fellow marines. it cost him his right eye and a big part of his job. he is a living veteran of the war of terror to receive the medal of honor. martha: we had him on earlier in the week, a remarkable inspiration. the youngest person to ever receive it. we thank him for his service. a quick tip because the kids are out of school taken to the beach for sure, but i also recommend you take them to the 9/11 museum in new york. here's a picture, it is a powerful experience and an important way to make sure none of us forget the kids as they get older, better understand everything, and many families

lost loved ones so they got to see the pictures of them on the wall and it hit home. i highly recommend you take some time to do that. bill: overwhelming. martha: "happening now" starts right now. ♪ jon: and new report sunni gunmen in iraq have taken over the chemical weapons facility. hello, i'm jon scott. >> and i am in for jenna lee. seizing the main chemical weapons factory as the battle wages over the country's largest oil refinery, the prime minister's facing pressure from iraq who called for effective government in friday's prayers. didn't exactly get an endorsement from the white house yesterday either.