and action, ladies! >> michelle wie. congratulations on the u.s. open. >> thank you. >> thank you for coming by. bill: morning, everybody. we are getting ready for a key hearing on the irs scandal. last night on the hill the irs commissioner john koskinen facing off. another witness is forth coming in 30 minutes. we await that. i'm bill hemmer welcome to "america's newsroom." martha: if you saw this you know nobody held back as the irs chief strongly defended his agency. here is one exchange with the chairman darrell issa.

>> did you cause someone to find out at the white house or four i.g. >> i did not. if you have any evidence of that it would like to see it. >> i asked a question. >> and i answered it you told us all emails would not be provided you did not come back and inform us, correct? >> all the emails we have will be provided. i did not say i would provide you emails that disappeared. if you have a magical way to do that i would be happy to do that. the fact that 3 years ago some of them were not available i never said i would provide emails we didn't have. we'll provide 24,000 emails. >> my time is expired and i lost my patience with you. martha: is it about the number of emails they turn over over the emails they turn over. on deck is a white house

attorney advising the head of the irs. she'll step forward and testify within the hour. we'll be take you there live. what is the fallout from what we saw last night? >> reporter: there are a lot of tense moment. one you just showed. you had chairman darrell issa accusing john koskinen of intentionally deceiving congress. and you had one key republican asking why was it the white house knew about the missing emails two months before congress. >> it's okay to tell the white house, why isn't it okay to tell the people's house. >> the white house wouldn't do with what the ways and means committee did. >> the white house is the same party, does that have nieg .with

it mr. koskinen. >> i don't have any idea. >> you don't have any idea but the facts are the facts. >> reporter: department krats defended koskinen picking up on the technology issue that the telling was out of date or didn't have enough money. order claim was on tv in prime time hours. it was set to put on a show. >> this is theater. this is an agenda that presupposes some guilt that is based in part on supposition, on paranoia, on conspiracy they. >> reporter: there were several appeals for koskinen to pick up the phone and call the fbi and ask for a special prosecutor. he resisted saying the treasury inspector general is investigating and we'll see

where that investigation guess. martha: today we expect more thanks that same committee hearing. we'll hear from a white house attorney. >> reporter: her name is jennifer o'connor, she worked for the irs for six months last year. she was not there when the white house supposedly found out lois lerner's emails appeared. in the end they decided she'll appear and i'm told she is expected to testify. they will put her under oapt and see what she knew about the missing emails and what could have been con to find out there were thousands of emails missing, martha. martha: that's 26 minutes away. mike, thank you very much. we'll see you later. some saying the ir s' -- sayinge

irs' failure to do something about the missing emails is a coverup. >> i believe what happened was a crime, i believe there are other emails involved. and i bleach somebody took a criminal act in this destruction and i believe since you can't tell me i'm wrong and there is enough of a doubt in your mind, as the commissioner of the fbi you should called the fbi. martha: such claims are raying questions whether a special prosecutor should be brought in to find out where those emails went. some people feel the justice department will never call for a special prosecutor in this case. bill: i want to bring in steve hayes. you find what, inconsistencies and inaccuracies in what koskinen has testified to so far? >> last night there were so much things that didn't mawch. sometimes with what he said previously and sometimes moments

earlier. at one point in the same sentence he declared he hadn't notified anybody about the missing emails because he had been advised that he shouldn't tell anybody about the missing emails. the obvious question is who advised him that and didn't he have to tell people about the missing emails the to receive that advice. john koskinen was full of contradictions. it's why the comments we heard from that republican representative were unhelpful. what matters is what the facts actually tell us. i think the white house and john koskinen have had enough trouble explaining the fact set it's unhelpful and unprofessional for republicans to speculate about what hah happened in their own imaginations. bill: it's highly partisan at this level. you don't see democrats giving much cover to darrell issa on

that committee. john koskinen has given $100,000 to democratic groups going back to 1979. how do you think he's holding up? >> when he took the job he was going to be a professional objective overseer of the process anthe agency. i think it's clear he's not that. yesterday there were self times in which he seemed to veerp out oout -- veer out of his way to you have a word that protect the white house and treasury when questions hadn't been raised about the white house and treasury. it lead you to ask the question, what is he protecting them from. bill: we'll see another witness in 25 minutes. she is a lawyer for the white house. but she used to be one of the lead attorneys for the irs

during the questioning about when these emails went missing. you think this could be risky move on behalf of darrell issa. why? >> i think you will need for her to be in a position to answer the questions. if you believe the white house time line and what the white house counsel's office has said so far, she wasn't involved. oesn't fit for the discovery of these missing emails. that's not to say there aren't questions they can be asking her to shed some light on the process of white house and irs cooperation with the committee. but she better be in a position to answer the questions republicans are posing to her or it will look like republicans want to involve the white house in whatever way they can. bill: thank you, steve. viewers at home, at thouso office, on your mobile device, what do you think.

think we'll ever get the emails? lois lerner has spent target of this entire deal but there were 7 members of the irs working at that same time that had their hard drive destroyed. they took the hard drive, we don't know if they put it in a met at chris or melted it down. they asked koskinen an couldn't explain. martha: lois lerner took the fifth. it doesn't look good in terms of what information they are willing to share. new allegations are creating more trouble for the embattled veterans administration. an independent investigator says the va put patients at risk by dismissing reports by whistleblowers including claims of dirty medical equipment and neglecting patients.

bill: another fox news alert. in nigeria dozens of young women and boys said to be abducted from their villages this weekend. joining others held by months by the islamic extremist group boko haram. >> reporter: this is believed to be the work of boko haram, the militant group seeking to establish a hard-line islamic state in nigeria. the focus is the northeastern corner of that country. that's where the latest abductions tack place.

60 women and girls and 31 boys. they repeatedly tear righted the northeast region of nigeria with this campaign of kidnappings and murders. man the series of attacks that took place this weekend they apparently killed dozen of villagers. it should be point out that nigerian authorities have been anything but reliable in their reporting of these incidents and according to many nigerians, anything but effective in dealing with them. bill: jonathon nunlt our newsroom in new york. martha: some old enemies finding new allies with is is * storming through iraq -- with isis storming through iraq. supporters of saddam hussein

coming out of the woodwork to join their fight. bill: a twisterrer to apart homes in one town. martha: the irs commissioner john koskinen is off the hot seat for now. >> tonight will be difficult, and it deserves to be difficult for both side. we have a problem with you, and you have a problem with maintaining your credibility.

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injured this fighting over the violence in iraq as the sunni militants continue to sweep through the northern part of the country down toward baghdad. colonel ralph peters is with me now. we missed you last week. you say iraq is lost. iraq is over. and now you are asking the question, it's not a question of what's in the best interest of iraq. it's what's in the best interest of the united states. as you pose that question, what's the answer, colonel? >> john kerry needs to start dealing with reality. the state department's obsession with lines on a map is doing us ill service. kerry is running all over iraq trying to persuade the various player to put humpty dumpty back together again.

iraq is gone, it's over. we can't reconcile these people, the hatred is too deep. our presence kept it on life support for 7 years. but instead of trying to cobble together some remnant of iraq. we need to shape what the wreck and is going look like and we need to concentrate on what is in the interest of this dreadful and anti-american a baghdad government. we need to concentrate on what's in our interest and our interests are in protecting united states against islamist fanatics. bill: the president says we can't play whack a mole. >> you can't run foreign policy with bumper stickers.

tell me what else he will do. killing terrorists is the on the way to deal with religious fanatics bent on killing you. they are not reformable. gitmo taught us that much. it's a long-term struggle. there is no solution. it will last for decade and we have no alternative other than to play whack a mole. bill: that means air power. >> it am not a question of bombing syria because syria no longer exists as we knew syria. there is an ungoverned or governed for isis of syria governed by isis.

they are hitting them with air power on the move as they march on baghdad is pretty iffy. we don't have eyes on the ground. even though they are a new form of army they are not as recognizable as traditional targets. so the way you will have to hit them is go to what used to be syria and hit their bases. and frankly that will hurt them. slow them. but air power alone won't stop them. bill: it's a bigger and wider war, are we ready for that? >> we don't have to get into boots on the ground at this point. this is not just -- people are saying we have to prevent an iraqi civil war. there is not on an iraqi civil war, it's a civil war raging throughout the arab middle east and persia into iran between sunni and shiia and the

modernizers and other religions are getting brutalized. the obama administration has mismanaged iraq so badly the best outcome we can hope for is a new baathist government. ralph peters, thank you, colonel. martha: a showdown in mississippi. an hic slugfest between two -- an epic slugfest between two republicans. the latest from the ground there coming up. bill: we are waiting for what could be a heated hearing on the irs lost emails. that will happen in 9 minutes. what the committee wants to hear from this new witness. >> your agency sends fear up the spiens of every american in this country.

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martha: there is a closely watched senate race that brought in money from across the country. it's between 6-term senator had cochran and his challenger chris mcdaniel. very important race obviously for the future direction of the gop and for the senate. what can you tell us about it, john? >> the big question here in ms is will another. >> i and of the republican establishment fall to a grassroots newcomer. had cochran spend the last three weeks trying to prevent barn storing the state since he first one the seat back in 1978.

campaigning with senator john mccain who wrote in his 2002 book that the mistake many politicians make are they stay too long. >> that's a judgment that the people make. but i think there is a great benefit in having long-time service. we are in the most critical service because of the total failure of obama's leadership than we have ever been in my life and we need experienced talent and leadership, not on-the-job training. >> reporter: he says he hopes eric cantor's defeat in virginia, he says voters are tired of politicians that become creatures of washington. people yell and say listen.

but they never listen. if we start winning a couple races, the inkim bent can't protect you. that's what virginia learned and that's what ms is learning right now. report report tea party groups and conservative party groups have poured money into west virginia to -- into mississippi. democratic pops monday showed that chris mcdaniel had an 8-point lead going into this race. cochran has been trying to get those people who thought he would win in a walk to come out as well as cross-over democrats. but really it's anybody's guess at this point. martha: you don't see the polling you see in some of the nationwide races.

when you have got a runoff it's hard to tell. eric cantor got surprised in a big way. so it's anybody's guess what's going to happen in mississippi. bill: charles krauthammer argues mayor case in decline and it's a matter of choice by the white house. martha: the irs is back on the hill and back under fire. they are just getting warmed up because we have a new round coming up. it's less than five minutes away. we'll talk to jason chaffetz. >> is this a trial, is this a jury? >> i said civil or criminal. but i'm glad you mentioned it. for every hacker, crook and nuisance in the world. but systems policed by hp's cyber security team are constantly monitored for threats.

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i'm a believer! bill: the house oversight committee back at it about to ask a new ruined much questions in the irs email scandal. jennifer o'connell. committee chair issa says o'connor should have known about the mission emails from irs officials including lois lerner

and many others. martha: the irs chief facing very tough questions from republicans. among them was congressman trey gowdy. he demanded to know whether the irs has done any digging to find out whether a crime has been committed. >> what criminal statutes have you looked at. >> i haven't looked at any. >> then how can you tell our fellow citizens that already no element of the crime if you don't know what statutes are in play of. what statutes have you evaluated. >> i think you can rely on common sense. >> common sense instead of the criminal code you want to rely on common sense. >> i reviewed no criminal a tiewts. >> you don't have any idea wets there is criminal conduct because you don't know the elements of the offense. >> i have seen no evidence of

wrongdoing. martha: jason ch ge jay -- jasoz was in that hearing and he will in the hearing today. let's go back to last night for a moment in terms of koskinen and what he had to say. is there any indication to you that he who was brought in to figure out what happened and get the irs under control is making a conscious evident to shake the bushes and figure out what's going on there? >> we have lost total confidence in the commissioner. he has not been candid and forthright. when you know sock is wrong you have a duty and obligation to ask those people under subpoena to ask for documents and that information. hide the document is not the game we appreciate in the united states congress. martha: it appears the mo is to ride it out. you have got to go in there and

sift through this. the justice department is going do nothing. there will never be a special prosecutor. how do you look at that situation and get up in the moaning and go back in there and ask questions? >> we'll keep digging deep. i happen to think we have got to get down into the bowels. you have to find the geeks and nerd who understand how the i.t. functions work. we are going another layer deep with the testimony we heard about what happens or didn't happen with the archiving of material. then we have got the point person who was there on the ground in 2013 who was supposed to provide this information to congress. it was august of 2013 we issued a subpoena that was none responsive. we have the person there this morning. she has first hn -- firsthand k. martha: she worked for the

commissioner miller. the answer from koskinen was cute by half. he said i'd told you i would bring you the emails but i can't bring you the emails we don't have. so i'll bring you the emails we have. what do you expect from jennifer o'connor? do you expect any more specificity? >> i hope so. there might be a possibility those emails are still out there. i said you have six months worth of backup and they went to such great lengths they claimed when lois lerner's email crashed they went to great lengths to recoast. why didn't they just go to the tape? they couldn't answer that. that's why they have a backup. they have a backup that they didn't even try. i want to hear on her perspective on that as well as the person from the archives. martha: we have spoken to people in the department of justice,

and the government, they keep all this stuff. you think about the nsa and how they are snooping on everybody across the country which they say isn't true. but then you have got a situation where these emails appear to disappear into thin air. everybody who we are hearing from here on twitter and elsewhere, they are just not buying it but they feel like they are not getting anywhere with this. >> it was june 3 of 2011 that when dave cam, the chairman of the ways and means committee asked please provide these materials. 10 days later lois lerner's email blows up. maybe that's just a coincidence beyond coincidence. then them have a backup tape but they don't tap into it. they have known about this for years. they never tell the congress. we have testimony march 26 of

2014 from the irs commissioner saying he will provide all the emails, he backed them up on servers, then they are saying we don't have all the emails. this does not add up. maha: one question for him is why do you think lois lerner took the fifth? if she hadn't done that and this issue was separate and she had been forthcoming and told all she knew, but when you put all this together it becomes really hard to believe. >> it was president obama who said he was angry and hold people responsible. has anybody been fired or let go? no. then the president changes his tune and said there isn't evidence of a smidgen of corruption. how does he know if he hasn't seen all the emails. why is it the department of justice hasn't done an

investigation. let's let the facts ferret these things out. we only have a certain percentage of them, not 100% of them, how do you come to your final conclusion. that's why this is such an absolute mess. it's the irs targeting americans. that's why we are in this mess. it's totally unacceptable. martha: the hearing is getting underway. i know you have to get in there. bill: there are new developments in the tabloid phone hacking scandal. a jury finding an edstorm guilty and a fellow editor not guilty. >> reporter: the verdicts hand down the months long phone hacking trial. rebekah brooks the former head of the then u.k. newspaper group or parent copy of fox news found not guilty of running a campaign

of hacking into the phones of royals and more. also not guilty of obstructing justice. but another former editor of news of the world was found guilty. will the practice of phone hack had been known the scandal was triggered when it was revealed the voic voicemails of a kidnapd and teenaged girl were intercepted. bill: are there wider implications now from this verdict? >> both of those, bill. a spokesman for the british newspaper group news u.k. said we said long ago and repeat today that wrongdoing occurred and we apoll jielts for it. we have paid compensation for those affected and cooperated with investigations. prime minister cameron said

today he was sorry, and a wrong decision was made to hire him. as for the broader implications of all this. investigations into the media have been held here. there are recommend daingss for new regulations and a lot more attention being paid into how newspapers, tv, media today they are their news. martha: 11 minute into trading day. the markets up 21 points as up vestors are -- as investors are awaiting data on new hope construction. also a report of consumer confidence will give the investor something to chew over. the dow closing down 9 points yesterday. bill: some argue america is no

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is america in decline? the doctors saying america's loss of power is the result of decisions made by the white house. >> temporarily it is very bad. but there is difference between decline as a condition and decline as a choice. what we have with obama is a president choosing decline. but this is have much unlike how many people talk about decline as a condition, the result of something wrong with america. bill: let's talk about this with rich lowry. ther to of national review. -- the editor of "national review." >> france was bled white by

world war i. britain the same thing happened in world war ii. this an extremely powerful country and the on reason we are being hugh mill nateed around the world and see our influence diminish is because of the choices by the president. bill around one nation among others. that's very interesting phrasing. >> the embed assumption of this -- the embedded assumption much this president and those around him is we had things going wrong around the world anded a calism because of the' pop is of the united states. the administration adopted the opposite policy of retreat and pass toughity. and what we are seeing is radicalism on the march every

day. bill: the thinking of a kiernd, gentler country the world will respect us more and the world will go on its way. >> if we tend our garden at home and spend more on obamacare we are a stronger country and two if we are quieter abroad, one more nation among many people will respect us more. i think both parts of those assumptions are wrong. there is probably not any region in the world or country in the world where our stand can has been enhanced or interests advanced over the last six years. especially in the middle east. look at our gulf allies. they are afraid of our retreat in the region. iran is on the march. the revolutionary guard in syria and now they will be in iraq. israel our relationship is chilled at best and the palestinians, now hamas is part

of the government there. bill were i put that question to chris van hollen from week. he gave it some consideration and then he said east asia. is that thailand? is that burma? >> you leave the middle east to pivot to asia. but the i have to the asia was just a line. it had no substance whatsoever. all our allies in east asia are look happened in the middle east and saying can we trust these guys anymore and the answer is no. bill: choice to retreat. charles talked about ukraine and the middle east. if you have two years and five months left of your administration are you forced now because of the events on the ground in places like iraq and syria to be reengaged whether you want to or not? >> that's one of the theories is the way jimmy carter at end of

his administration says wait a minute, all my assumptions are wrong, i have to change course. you saw this with george w. bush. the war is iraq is going extremely poorly. he says i have to change course and change my assumptions. there should be a similar reset to coin a phrase with this administration but it's not clear whether it's going to be coming. thank you, rich, rich lowry. martha: world cup fever. everyone said no one cared about soccer but record viewership numbers for the heartbreaking u.s.-portugal game. they are still in it. soccer fans take to the streets in a major u.s. city. bill: lawmakers in washington calling the white house to do something for this marine. he's an american hero and he

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martha: lawyers for the u.s. marine being held in mexico said it could take a couple months before their client gets a chance at freedom. he made a wrong turn into mexico and he had three weapons which he explained to officials. william lajeunesse is live with more on the case for us today. what can you tell us about the new lawyer strategy in this? >> reporter: the question is, is he a gunk smuggler or a guy who made a mistake.

as you approach the mexican port of entry, you don't have to stop. there is a traffic light. if there is a green light you keep going. you don't talk with anybody. so if you are smuggling guns you go. he didn't. he stopped. he approached customs agents, said he made a mistake, could he make a u-turn. cau-turn. he called 911. those aren't the actions of a guilty guy. >> it will boil town to whether or not he knew and wanted to cross the bored with the weapons or if it was just an honest mistake. if we can prove the latter theory we should expect an

acquittal. he testified the mayor of tijuana, owner of mexico's largest sports betting country. he got the case thrown out and yesterday he said he believes tahmooressi will be acquitted but it will take some time. bill: the hearing on the lost irs emails are beginning now. martha: more than 1,000 people -- look at the violence going on on ought ground in iraq. this continues to become more violent as they fend off the isis militants. john bolton ... what does he think needs to happen now.

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big hearing underway. key questions coming up about the two years of lost e-mails and the big picture in this irs targeting scandal. welcome, everybody, brand new hour of "america's newsroom" i am martha maccallum. >> and i will bill hemmer. before working in the white house, she played a key role related to the searching for the lois lerner e-mail and targeting. last night's testimony was as fiery as it gets. he faced questions about the missing e-mails and when why found out they were gone. >> i want to focus on when you officially learned. the chairman asked you to told you. >> i don't remember.

>> was it in person? e-mail? >> i don't recall. >> this has been a major news story and you don't remember who came up and said boss, we lost lois lerner's e-mail? you don't remember anything about the situation. >> i remember being told in april. >> but you don't remember who told you? >> you would think that would be significant enough to remember how it happened and what the date were. >> i am running an agency with 90,000 people. >> and this has been the biggest issue since last year. >> we are in the middle of filing. >> it is tax season. we don't have time to worry about this. i don't remember who told me the e-mails congress wanted to see are missing. becky garrison joins us. the president of wutumpka tea

party. she tried to get tax exemption status and was asked several questions. >> it took almost two years to get it. >> when you sit back and watch the back and forth what goes through your mind, becky? >> i can sum it up in two words: fear and dismay. i am dismayed at the presence and fearful for the future. we are seeing a fundamental shift of how the government treats its citizens and it is alarming to me. what i am seeing as i watched it was become political theater of the right versus the left. i was just a wife and mother, spoke out against my government

and started an organization wit educate the people and the irs came after me. there are hundreds of us like me and that is getting lost. this really did happen. >> i think people need to remember this. you don't see this story on the front of most newspapers. but you have a government, sort of in name, who is a democratic government, but you have someone like yourself and hundreds of others who wanted to make a statement and get involved in what was going on, and you were shutdown and shutdown through an election process and now i think we getting into a position where it is becoming to a point where people at home say who cares about the e-mails. but you are trying to get people to focus on the fact they don't

have freedom of speech. >> our rights were definitely violated. so many friends i know in the targeting scheme had their lives turned upside down. we must stop and get to the bottom of it. e-mails are not lost. they are there. we need a special prosecutor in the case. >> what did you believe -- when you look -- it has become all about the e-mails because as was established you have the white house interested in the citizen united case. they think it is going to empower people who they don't want to see empowered in the process. then you have lois lerner who wrote e-mails and suggested they needed to do something about this was the quote, i believe. do you believe the e-mails connect lois lerner to the house everyone is seeing on the right hand side of the screen? >> absolutely.

they were planning a scheme with the department of justice to piece together criminal charges for people like myself with no evidence and they wanted to get the fec involved. we have a multi effort to persecute the american citizens. and people better wake up because it will get worse if not addressed. >> how do you feel about the fact the justice department isn't doing anything? you cannot get a special prosecutor unless you get the white house and justice department on board. do you think you will ever learn the truth and see the end of this? >> i am thinking that if we have enough outpouring of public support we can get a special prosecutor. i am going to keep pushing for that. but i am wondering is it time for a select committee like they had on benghazi? we know illegal things were done and the democrats want to say this is a conspiracy and nothing

to see here. well they need to talk to the victi victims, read the reports and lawsuits and see much damage has been done. people need to be held accountable. >> has the white house approached you or any of the people in the same boat as you to say what happened to you exact exactly? >> no, i have never been contacted by the fbi and it was only a few weeks after the president said this was horrible he comes out saying it was a phony scandal and months later there is no evidence of a corruption. it is a mess. >> becky, thank you. it is important to keep an eye on the citizens and freedom of government. where are we this morning? a hearing lasted about four hours right now. darrell issa is doing the questions for a witness from the

national archives. jennifer o'connor is being questioned now. she is currently employed in the white house and she made a statement and now they are waiting for knowss. she worked at the irs from may-november of 2013 and that is when they asked about gathering e-mails. what issa wants to know is he wants to ask her about the missing e-mails and what they found and didn't find. let's drop in with darryl issa. >> lois lerner in may of 2013? >> i started on may 30th. >> they hired you once we said we wanted documents, correct? yes or no? were you hired? >> i will not a hostile witness. >> you were hired in may.

in june when we were not getting delivery we went to subpoena. in august you were there? >> i was there. >> in august of 2013 we requested all of lois lerner's e-mails and not a selection or group. are you aware of that? >> yes. >> and what did you do to determine the window of all at that time in august of 2013? >> can i explain the process? >> my time is expired so i ask you be full and complete in what you did from august until the time you left to secure all of the documents. >> i think background is helpful. when i arrived on may 30th, the irs had a team that was already in place collecting materials and beginning to respond to the congressional investigations. i joined at the request to be a

counselor and perform a number of different things, a piece of which was helping to respond to the four different congressnal committees and the iig and othes who were seeking materials. i played a role that was a liazon to him and garther t materials as fast as possible and do the same for your committee to figure out how to get priorties to them as quickly as possible. and by that it was identifying the employees's material they wanted to see and using search terms to identify the documents at interest. search tools were necessary instead of turning over wholesale is because there is internal revenue code 6103 and it is a criminal statute passed

by the congress that requires the irs to protect taxpayer information and they have to read every document to see if there is tax party information in it and redact if necessary before producing it. so a big piece of the effort was to figure out how we could move information as quickly to the congressional committees and move them what they were looking for. in may, what that amounts to, when i arrived lois lerner's information and other employee's material was collected. there was more collection after that. but the process, and they explained it, but the irs material is processed with encryption. they have to load it, and the

decryption creates errors and they have to do it again. in that piece of the process, which is the first piece, they would run the terms that the congressional committee staff had identified over the material and then once that was done and the material was viewable they would move it over into a review tool. and when i first got there, one of the things i was doing was talking about in order to move the volume quickly we would need to add people because the irs had not encountered this or didn't have the staff to do this production. in addition, the technical infrastructure wasn't there so we had issues where we had to add severs and capacity. and dealing with the systems so it would be stable. when we got to august, you did

expre express interest for all e-mails and we were in the process that started in may with everything be loaded with the terms and they were being reviewed. so the staff working on this continued to review of the material. it was mr. worfold's attention we would suckle back and make sure the subpoena was compiled with. i left in november, it wasn't finished yet, but it was my understanding and i believe it to be true, that they continue to produce information but the difference between the selected lois lerner e-mail and all of lois lerner's information comes from the fact that initially the process was organized around material that was -- that had search terms applied to it versus at the end.

>> i want to summarize and go to the ranking member. so in august of 2013 your testimony is that when receiving a subpoena and explicit instructions this was our highest priority and we wanted all of the e-mails who took the fifth in this committee and wasn't cooperating and was said to be at the center of the conservatives, the decision was made to get it after the others. when you left the agency, they had not looked for all of her e-mails and as a result that is why we go until april this year before we discover that all of her e-mails were never to be found? >> i wasn't there when the discovery of the loss e-mails occurred -- >> that is what i am saying -- on the day they left they had not set out to discover all of

e-mails and had not complied with the subpoena in gathering all of her e-mails >> that is what i meant. >> i would like to know what you meant. they didn't know they were missing in the months you were there. and you appreciated you told us in great detail about the process that you went through, but of correspondence -- course -- it was a process you determined you wanted to go through. we issued a subpoena and 6103 doesn't take the place of gathering that. ways and means was to receive them without redaction. >> i believe -- i understand

from the team who gathered it was they gathered everything that was there. in the process, from the point i got there, to the point i left, the team working hard on being able to get you material was reviewing and processing and redacting all of the material that had been loaded and the search terms your staff and the staff of the other committees identified. i was want there when the process of going back to look at the ones that had originally been loaded but hadn't hit the search terms. but when i left, it was my understanding, that was going to continue because the agency seemed fully intended on c complying with your subpoena.

>> mr. cumminings. >> ms. o'connor, you were at the irs from may-november. >> six months, sir. >> i was wondering when you came in, what instructions were you given with production of documents? in other words, what were you told the priorities and what were you instructed to do? i'm just curious. >> his strong imperative was that we gather and produce everything the congressional investigators and the inspector general wanted. he wanted it to be done as quickly as possible. he was interested in being transparent and one of my roles was to be his liazon and one of

things i did and tried to do was the help them get stuff out faster, review faster so more volumes of the material that the committee was looking for. there are four different committees and investigates but he wanted to get all of it to the investigation staff and committee members. in part because the irs had been asked by the inspector general not to conduct its own investigation and interview witnesses. so it was important to get them all of the material. that is what he told me to do and what i work with the team. >> is that what you tried to do? >> very much what i tried to do. >> you left in november of 2013. so you were not there this past

february when the irs first identified potential issues with lois lerner's e-mails; is that right? >> that is correct. >> you said something that was interesting. you said when you got there ms. lois lerner's information had been collected. >> that is correct. >> what does that mean? >> to my understanding and i didn't interface with the staff who did this, but professional long-term irs staff went to ms. lerner's hard drive, imageed it, took the e-mails on it and made copies, a set of staff is my understanding -- and it happened before i got there so it is understanding -- went through her office to collect paper copies, or collected everything and i think they went through it. >> they went through her office

to your knowledge to try to find paper copies? >> i want to clarify i didn't witness it but that is what i was told. >> a little technical at times but this is critical information. the witness, jennifer o'connor, she is a lawyer for the white house but was a lawyer for the irs during the period that congress wanted to get the details. we will jump in and out throughout the morning trying to be fair and balanced with the republicans and democrats. back to that in a moment. >> in the mean time, hundreds of our troops will be in iraq soon serving as military advisors for the military but there are growing concerns over the legal protections. remember the concern that we

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>> a baby that went missing after her mother's car was stolen has been found safe. they found the little girl in her car seat, crying in tall grass. the suspect hasn't been found but genesis, the baby, is fine after being check over boy doctors. the white house is facing fire for legal protection on the special forces sent to fight the islamer terrorist known as isis. the administration says they can operate in iraq under the terms

of a new informal status agreement that would grant immunity in the courts. this is similar to a plan that was rejected back in 2011 as not being enough protection for our forces there so the big question is what is different now? some lawmakers are questions them in a later to the secretary of defense. here is a quote: we are concerned about the double protection of the soldiers. even the immunity was a pig leaf or they are at risk if they enter under the similar agreement. john bolton is here. ambassador, good morning to you. does he have a point? >> the absence of the status agreement and the breakdown of

the immunity point was the pre-text the president used to withdraw before. it wasn't a reason the u.s. had to withdraw. it was a pre-text and the administrations observation is good. >> do you think this will keep the military advisors save prom the prosecution? >> i have not seen the terms but i don't think there is a difference from the sources of agreement and a diplomatic note. some say the status of forces agreement is legally binding but i think that is a meaningless difference. what will we do? sue them somewhere? the issue is the trust we have in the regime in baghdad and given the performance of the maliki government with the

treatment and conduct isn't giving me faith the advisors have protectwer protection. >> do you think they should be going in there? >> i don't think we should do anything that stregthens the maliki government. i will say that i am dismayed at the fact that the iraqi army hasn't been able to take meaningful action against isis. i hoped they would get involved and both sides could lose. we should not do anything to help maliki but we have to look at steps we might take uniformally against isis. >> i am curious what you see in the phone calls between putin

and maliki and how dangerous is that triangle for us? >> i think what iran is trying to do is maintain as much as the ark of influence it has through the shiite portions if they disappear and keeping them in power. and that remains the principle threat to the united states. isis is a terrorist organization but they are not developing nuclear weapons like iran is. and iran's support for terrorism worries me when they get nuclear weapons, that the terrorist they support, will have that capacity much worth than isis. >> that is a frightening scenario. thank you very much. >> we are watching another round of hearing for the irs scandal.

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>> more reaction. moments ago the hearing on the hill continues. john boehner blasting the white house on the irs scandal moments ago. watch. >> when you look at the president's remarks when this scandal unfolded almost a year ago he said that he would fully cooperate. they have not fully cooperated and they haven't dope done a damn thing to get to what happened. lois lerner refuses to tell us the truth and then all of a sudden we lose two years worth of e-mails. i grew up in a bar this isn't passing the face straight test. >> lou dobbs is here. we are watching how this is

covered. wall street journal, page a -- this is hard copy. a-4. new york times, to you to go to a-19. washington post print copy -- nothing! >> it isn't there? >> the online reporting is a little different. nbc today show lead story at 7 in the morning. cbs did a three minute report. abc did an 18 second reader over video. we are on this story. where is everybody else? >> everybody else is playing, well, the role of pink poodle lap dogs rather than watch dog and that has been the case since the onset of this scandal. even though the president is outraged and going to do

something about it. he does nothing. then decides there is not a bit of corruption. that has been the spin that has been locked up with the national media and the result has been very few outlets and news organizations where the print, web, television and radio are covering the biggest political corruption scandal in this country's history and that is the outright politicalization of the internal revenue service, the definance of congress, and the refusal to turn over all of the data and documents subpoe subpoenaed by the chairman of the house oversight and then the destruction of evidence. >> we don't know how they melt them down? >> the commissioner of the irs said that it was recycling and a

computer crash and a glitch. i mean this is madness. >> if lou dobbs doesn't have a restaurant receipt you are in trouble. >> i have it. >> when does this catch up? >> i believe only when there is an appointment when there is a select committee to go after the corrupt internal revenue leadership. it has been politicized and there is divide within the government now. >> what do you mean by that? >> there are within each one of the bury a citizen could rely on and trust the government no

matter what was going on for the internal revenue service to be tough and a political. to turn to the fbi and trust them. but the fbi is being imposed and being used as a tool by this highly political administration. it is a deeply worrying development in our government. and it is one that we should be deeply concerned about. >> lois lerner and half a dozen others and maybe there is more but this company was keeping track of the e-mails for five years and the contract is canceled as soon as people in congress start asking questions. does that past the test in your bar? >> as the speaker would say absolutely not, nor does it pass any kind of test that within ten

days of beginning the congressional inquiry and into the scandal that lois lerner and six others have computer crashes. >> we will see you tonight. >> good to see you. >> so, republicans are setting their sights on the primary in oklahoma, a state controlled for nearly a century by democrats. james lankford is leading state rep tw shannon in the race to replace tom coburn. tell us what to watch, carl? >> this doesn't represent what is happening on the ground but it is put in national slogan. this is a seven candidate rate for a vacant soon to be senate. there is a tough battle for the first ever black legislative

speaker. there are seven candidates running. lankford leads the pole but it takes 50% to win or it will go to a run off and if there is it will be between lankford and shannon. he was campaigning in edmond this morning and trying to combat the ongoing battle against tea party ads that have been putting money into shannon's campaign and calling him essentially s the argument necessary experience that shannon lacks. >> tom coburn and jim inholfe served in the house first so there is yunique preparation fo that to get the foreign policy and the federal budget that is different. so there are those dynamics.

>> he was an 83 percent plus rating from the conservatives. and mr. shannon is a poplar republican and making the argument he is not a washington insider. this has been a battle across the country. it is closing in oklahoma and it is close. the question is whether the tea party versus establishment labelling with have a punch that could keep him from winning and put him against mr. shannon for a run off. this is an opportunity to look at how the battle plays out when the folks say it isn't about one guy being an insider or out sider we want the bad guy. >> police officer in texas pulling a woman off train tracks. watch here.

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uncomfortable. some of the stars on hand to meet the queen on that visit. gary oldman sounding off against liberals during a candid interview with playboy magazine. he said political correctness has gotten out of control in this country. i think it is like take a joke, get over it. i don't know about mel gibson, he got drink and said a few things. we have all said them. we are hypocrites and try to hide but that is what gets me. because we stand up here saying isn't that shocking. david web is host of the david

show and emily is here. >> good morning, explicit word. >> good morning. is he right, emily? >> if you look at the longer article and everything he mentioned in it, he is upset for actors taking flack for making an ant ant anti-gay jokes and then he is upset when people say they know things about actors. at the end of the day, people vote with their wallet and not show up at their films. personal hurt full to them because i am a huge harry potter fan so i can no longer vote with my wallet against him.

>> the big question isn't comment by comment or did you agree or disagree or think thes was out of line. but haven't we gotten overly sensitive and live in a world people have to be so careful. >> we have, martha. if anyone listened to what happened in my studio before the radio show they would probably fire me. get over yourself, america. we as public figures have a responsibility to not make idiots out of our several but we are in the society that tendency to cherry pick what appeals to them. it is like comedy. comedy takes life to the absurd with a bit of truth and let's stop worrying about what people

say and do. at the same time you pay attention and vote with wallet. if you don't like it, get over it. i was at hollywood and heard great speeches but people at the party have been accused of such speech. >> let's look at what gary oldman had to say. great actor. let's pull up the quote. more and more people in this culture are able to hide behind comedy and satire to say things cannot say because it is not politically correct. at the oscar if you didn't vote for "12 years a slave," you were racist. you have to be careful about what you say. ellen degeneres did make a joke on stage about that. she got away with it.

is this going to hurt him >> it is definitely not going to hurt him. >> i disagree. there will be blow back and the more attention the article gets the more there is going to be. to say we want too far and are too politically correct what does that mean? are people being hurt by the comments? i think to the extent people are hurt by anti-gay and anti-race comments is still out there. mtv did a project and 9-10 millennials said that having racial quality is important to them. >> i think we are getting caught up in phrases and forgetting the way people are treated underneath. >> i have to go. i ran over. thank you. >> let's not be politically

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the information. >> i would like to be as helpful as i can with what i knew. >> it would have been helpful to have the answers to the questions. do you know if the white house council got the information about the e-mails lost do you know if the white house council office told the fbi and justice department? >> what i can tell you is what i knew at the irs. >> i am talking about now. you work at the white house council. they knew in april and we didn't until june. in that time -- did the white house tell the fbi? the president said he is angry and people have to pay. i am wondering if you get important information like lois lerner's e-mails are lost, did you share that with the agency doing the criminal investigation saying this is serious we should get this to the fbi and justice department?

>> i am happy to answer questions about the time at the irs. >> did your boss share this information with the justice department? >> he started the same day i did. >> he wrote the letter to dave camp saying he found out in april. when he got the information did he give it to the people running the investigation? or do you think there is no duty or obligation to share that with the justice department who is running a criminal investigation? you think they can sit on the information? >> we have to get a quick break. right back after this. dave, it's been a while.

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jenna: we'll pick up some of our great coverage. congress keeping the heat on the irs over the targeting scandal. hello, everybody i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. here is live look at the house overnight's hearing after the last night's grilling of irs commissioner john koskinen. on the hot seat today, former irs counsel jennifer o'connor who now works at the white house. she is facing tough questions, how the agency lost thousands of emails and agency's targeting of the conservative political groups. questions about the she knew about the emails led to this heated exchange. >> i wasn't there when the discovery of the lost emails occurred. because i can't say to that personal knowledge. >> on the day you left they set out not to discover all her emails. >> that is night night when i