jenna: we'll pick up some of our great coverage. congress keeping the heat on the irs over the targeting scandal. hello, everybody i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. here is live look at the house overnight's hearing after the last night's grilling of irs commissioner john koskinen. on the hot seat today, former irs counsel jennifer o'connor who now works at the white house. she is facing tough questions, how the agency lost thousands of emails and agency's targeting of the conservative political groups. questions about the she knew about the emails led to this heated exchange. >> i wasn't there when the discovery of the lost emails occurred. because i can't say to that personal knowledge. >> on the day you left they set out not to discover all her emails. >> that is night night when i meant.

>> i like to know what you meant, because obviously they doesn't they were missing in the months you were there after subpoena asked for all of them. jon: chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill. distill this all down for us. mike. what's happening? >> reporter: jon, good morning. some republican lawmakers think an irs lawyer who works at white house may have useful information about the missing e-mails. let's take you live to the hearing. the white house lawyer is testifying alongside an official from the national archives and records administration about thousands of missing external emails from 2009 to 2011. jennifer o'connor worked at the irs for six months last year and lawmakers are asking about why it took so long for the agency to figure out emails were missing. she was subpoenaed to testify and there was a question if she is a non-cooperative witness. >> miss owe connor, you declined to come here voluntarily. we subpoenaed you. you're clearly not pleased to be here but is it is important that

you're here. you were at the irs and hired when we began our investigation and requested selected documents of lois lerner in may of 2013, is that correct. >> i started on may 30th. >> okay. so they hired you as soon as we said we want a bunch of documents, correct? >> mr.wer full, who was acting commissioner -- >> yes or no, please, you're a hostile witness. were you hired? >> i'm not a hostile witness. >> yes, you are. >> reporter: today's hearing follows a tough hearing last night with irs commissioner john koskinen taking heat. there were multiple appeals for koskinen to call for special prosecutor to investigate the irs. there were charges that koskinen deceived congress about lerner's emails disapmering. democrats today continued defending the witnesses. >> last night the chairman issa issued a unilateral subpoena to compel miss o'connor to appear here today. miss o'connor left the irs before any of these discoveries

occurred. so why is she here? according to the chairman's own press release, it is not because of her old job. it is because of her new one. >> reporter: frustration has been expressed between republicans and democrats and with the irs, house speaker john boehner a short time ago aimed higher. >> when you look at the president, his own remarks, when this irs scandal unfolded almost a year ago, he said that he would fully cooperate. he and his administration. they have not only not fully cooperated but haven't done a damn thing to help us get to the truth of what really happened! >> reporter: bottom line, lois lerner isn't talking, isn't answering congressional questions. thousands of her external emails are missing. so now other officials in the administration are on the hot seat, jon? jon: the president is telling bill o'reilly there is not a smidgen of corruption here. >> reporter: that has been

brought up several times, absolutely. jon: mike emanuel. thank you. jenna: along with the irs hearings today we'll continue to bring you there is damning new report about another scandal dog the white house, that is the va scandal. new disturbing claims of patient care delays and the veterans affairs health care system. the report released by oklahoma senator tom coburn claiming more than 1000 veterans died in the last decade due to that misconduct. this comes on the heels of a house va hearing and house-senate conference committee meeting later day. congress tries to improve health care access for our vets in a more immediate time frame. we'll bring you the hearing live as soon as it gets underway. jon: to the growing crimes sis in iraq where secretary of state john kerry just wrapped up more key meetings sitting down with the president of iraq's ethnic kurds as he pushes to overhaul the she light-led government. kerry praising the kurdish forces calling them critical to help stop advance of al qaeda

inspired group isis. the secretary making clear political unity is important in battling the growing insurgency. the president moved 300 forces to advise the iraqi sealedders. jails rosen got a chance to speak with secretary kerry. >> you saw fallujah fall and saw ramadi fall and what did you do about it to prevent most saul from falling? doesn't seem like very much. >> in the end the iraqis are responsible for their defense and nobody expected wholesale desertion and wholesale betrayal in some sense by some leaders who literally either signed up with the guys who came in and walked away from posts and put oral civilian clothes. no, nobody expected that. jon: meantime there are conflicting reports about the fate of iraq's largest oral refinery. the iraqi government denying that it has fallen to isis forces. jenna: boko haram kidnapping dozens more young women and men

in northern nigeria. you may recall back in april, big story, the same group abducted hundreds of schoolgirls from the very same area. they still remain captive as we get news of this new abduction today. chief correspondent jonathan hunt as details on that. >> reporter: jenna, witnesses say these latest kidnappings are the again the work of boko haram, the militant group that wants to establish a hard-line islamic state in nye gear yaw. their focus is on the northeast corner of the country which is where the new attacks took place. some 60 women and girls and 31 boys taken from villages in the area according to the witnesses. boko haram campaign which includes demands some of its fighters to be released by the into nigerian government has been stepped up this year with villages repeatedly terrorized. nigerian officials deny that these latest abductions took place. we should point out nigerian authorities have not been reliable in reporting of these kind of events in the past.

as for more than 200 girls kidnapped back in april, they are still being held by boko haram somewhere in that vast northeast region, parts of which are densely for rested and tough for any rescue forces to reach. this video was posted to youtube several weeks ago claiming to show those girls in the custody of boko haram fighters. the nigerian president, goodluck. jonathan, has said his forces nowhere the girls are but that a rescue operation is close to impossible without risking the lives of many of those kidnapped. and president obama has of course sent a u.s. special forces team to aid in the search-and-rescue but the famed bring back our girl campaign has obviously had no success so far. jenna? jenna: important story for us to today, jonathan, thank you. as we look at rise in terrorism in africa throughout the middle east we'll talk a little bit about one of the side-effects about the move of isis into iraq, that terrorists are able to wander freely

between countries and what is really becoming a borderless conflict for us. that is compounded by fears that americans and other westerners are joining these terror groups. they're also moving freely with the intention of bringing their skills and ideology back home. our fbi director says this problem is definitely a priority. >> i'm still very concerned as we talked about before about syria as a breeding browned and a staging ground for terrorist groups, to the extent that the activities of this isil group expand that safe haven, that launching ground, it is obviously makes the concern bigger. >> joining us now, walid phares, fox news middle east and terrorism analyst and author of the new book, the lost spring, u.s. policy in the middle east and catastrophes to avoid. aptly titled, walid, as we look at this big part of the story that hasn't gotten the attention we think perhaps it deserves. how big is recruitment now when you look at recruitment of terrorists of westerners, compared to other times during

the war on terror? >> jenna, it is a massive recruitment. i just came back from a policy conference of the european parliament in europe and they are very concerned. numbers are somewhere close to a thousand westerners, transatlantic, would be french, british, other, canadian and american jihadists who have been recruited to go fight. that is only in syria. we don't even have the numbers of what could be a jihadi group operating between syria and iraq as now isis or the islamic state of iraq, has taken control of most of the sunni triangle. it's a big, big problem. jenna: to try to stop that we have to understand the motivation. what is it about the groups that this recruitment is so strong, motivates a young man and could be a young woman as well, we've seen that in syria, get off their couch in england or france or in the united states and say, i'm actually going to head to syria and take up arms? what is it? >> look, many academics, many researchers have been struggling

to find the one answer and many have been talking about, oh, this socioeconomic, there is disfranchisement, people want a new life, psychology, hollywood, what have you. reality is one common denominator across the board, both sides of the atlantic into the mediterranean and africa, it is ideasology. it is ideology. the idea doesn't come to you. you go to her, the ideology. there is indoctrination process. the networks creating that indoctrination even before these guys and boys and girls go to iraq or somalia, some force online or off u.n. in the west is indoctrinating them. that is the root cause. jenna: putting simply the bad guys are so strong at the indoctrination, can we use some of what they do and create our own indoctrination, so these guys don't go to the bad guys, they come to the good guys? >> that was supposed to be, jenna, the war of ideas. we have been pushing this through congress, through european parliament,

unfortunately since 2009. there is different policy under this administration. they don't want to talk about anything has to do with ideology. if you ignore ideology you're ignoring indoctrination process. we have methods and strategy for deindoctrination and deradicallation. the administration wants to fight them when they become jihadists, not before. jenna: is there anything we can do to promote that change? >> we were supposed to because they have the money. calculate how much money and hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent throughout our military, homeland security to push back against the extremists and then see the results, more hundred and thousands of jihadists, yes the government is not performing because as i said earlier they are ignoring the center, the ideology. private sector, ngos foundations are pushing against this. jenna: when you mention money i think about tsa. that is one of the most obvious signs tsa how we combat the

ideology on the ground face-to-face if we're coming into contact wit. and that sort of comes up with this abc news report, walid, i'm seeing, a an bc news report suggesting that terrorists inside of syria are combining forces with terrorists inside yemen who are expert bomb-makers. they're teaching each other, exchanges skills. the fear that one of those bombs makes it into the hands after werner who has a passport who can easily get on american-bound flight and has the bomb with him or her. that is really scary scenario. if we are playing defense, rather than offense, what is the key to making sure that doesn't happen? >> we are playing defense at the end of a game, not even in the middle of that game. what you have just mentioned now is an indicator of what is yet to come. the jihadists around the world are connected, in syria, iraq, somalia, boko haram, even within the united states and europe. number two, yes, they are targeting the west, yet they have said so in chat rooms.

we need to believe them. we need to be preemptive in the situation, jenna. jenna: in your opinion it is just a matter of time? >> it is a matter of time. we've seen it before, before the actions we stopped, we always thought it was matter of time. it did happen in fort hood. it did lap in boston. it did happen in arkansas. it is a matter of time if we don't change policy. jenna: thanks for having you on the program. thanks for your time. look forward to having you back. >> thanks so much. jon: gunshots ring out in a residential neighborhood. several people are hit in a deadly shooting spree. police trying to figure out what set this one off. also a political showdown to tell you about in mississippi as a long-time senator faces off against a tea party challenger. what this runoff election could mean for the gop come november. (vo) after 50 years of designing

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jenna: developing story in miami where two people are dead, eight others are hurt after shooting at an apartment complex. police are not releasing any details and so far no one has been arrested. former nfl star aaron hernandez is set to appear in court for a hearing in drive by slayings with two men who bumped into hernandez literally in boston nightclub in 2012. he didn't like that according to prosecutors. hernandez is pleading not guilty to those murders and another killing last year. ntsb is looking into possible pilot error into the deadly asiana crash last year.

they relied on automated systems that they didn't fully understand. that crash injured can killed three people and injured more than 200. jon: eight states voters are headed to poles today. oklahoma. jon: maryland, colorado, utah and speck election in florida and runoffs in south carolina and mississippi. we've been watching a bitter primary battle in that state between six-term senator thad cochran and his tea party challenger chris mcdaniel. millions of dollars pouring into this race from around the country from what say is republican establishment faces off against the tea party. ultimately who is going to prevail? joining us now, ellison barber, staff writer for the "washington free beacon." the tee party versus establishment scenario, you don't necessarily agree with that setup. >> i don't. entire illustration there being this big tea party versus establishment battle tends to annoy me a little bit. i think it is mischaracterization.

when we're asking questions is the tea party dead, what we're asking are the national big groups that fund a lost tea party groups, are those groups better, do they still have political clout? look somewhere like nebraska with ben sat where you had a lot of outside groups, freedom initially supported his opponent osborn and switched to ben sasse. eric cantor's race, those outside groups were not actually involved what happened there. a lot of time when we're discussing whether or not there is this big battle of the establishment and tea party i think what we're talking about whether or not big d.c. groups are still important and still relevant and still have clout and do. but i think the tea party movement is about grassroots and activists. when we have that discussion we tend to forget that a little bit. jon: pretty hard to knock off a six-term senator. when a guy comes in fromnot from the other party but intra-party challenge, and gives him at least, it is going to be a close race. it will be a scare, if mcdaniel maybe ultimately doesn't even prevail. >> right.

difficult. really looks like mcdaniel is really well-positioned for this. in the actual race which ended on june third, 49.5% voted for mcdaniel and 49% for cochran. they were separated something like 1382 votes. so it was incredibly close. it will be incredibly close this time around. a lot of recent polling has mcdaniel up there is polling that sort of suggests otherwise. some people say internal polling from mcdaniel's camp has mcdaniel down 10 points. i think this race will come down to the wire. like most things it will play out and turnout your guess is kind of as good as mine. jon: turnout, cochran side saying democrats get out there to vote for cochran. is that even legal? >> there has been debate whether or not it is legal from people that support mcdaniel. there is law on books says you can't vote in the primary if you don't plan to support that party in november. other people say actually there was federal appeals court overruled that in 2008 saying it is unenforceable. technically state law seems to

say you can vote in this primary as long as you didn't vote in the democratic primary before. seems like a lot of people will vote but mcdaniel side and a lot of tea party groups sent poll watchers down. that is something a lot of people are watching. if you watch two counties, "washington post" said jones and heinz county are two counties to watch. it will be close. jon: fascinating race but likely a state that will stay republican no matter who wins. >> most likely. if you look back, i think last time they had a democrat in office in the u.s. senate from mississippi was 1989. so that would have meant they voted democrat last in in 1982678 some democrats hoping if mcdaniel's wins, maybe their candidate can beat him, historically speaking it doesn't seem likely. jon: ellison barber from the "washington free beacon." jenna. jenna: case of u.s. marine jailed in mexico. what the his new u.s. legal team says about the defense and why it could take months before he is allowed to come home. 16-year-old boy trapped at the edge of a steep hill and

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jon: a teen rescued in arizona. phoenix police say the 16-year-old became trapped on a steep, rocky hill after sneaking into a rock quarry. he somehow got into a fenced-off area but fortunately his sister knew he was there and dialed 911. firefighters say the teen did the right thing by staying in one spots, as he easily could have slipped and fallen 300 to 500 feet down that cliff. jenna: well we've been following this story of the u.s. marine imprisoned in mexico. now in a new interview with fox news the attorney for sergeant andrew tahmooressi talking a little bit about the strategy to try to secure his client's freedom. william la jeunesse is live with more on this. >> reporter: well, jenna, there are certain evidence, tam ma

restsy's actions, calling 911, asking for help from mexican customs demonstrates he was not running guns but made a mistake. that is according to his new lawyer but none of that evidence, none of those motions have been filed by his previous lawyers on his behalf. so, though he has been in jail for almost three months the judge could not have ruled on this case since he had no motions to rule on but things are now moving forward. he has a new attorney, fernando benitez. he says he is optimistic, tahmooressi will eventually be released though it could be at least a few more months. here is his legal strategy. hopes to prove that the marine reserve had no intent to illegally bring weapons into mexico. he will argue that showing number one he tried to turn around. two, he called 911. three, he actually told customs that he had guns. there also may be certain issues with constitutional issues if you will about how he was detained and that could also be a key in securing his freedom. >> we want to get a review of

the first few hours that he was captive, a review from a constitutional standpoint to see whether or not the detention or arrest was performed according to constitutional standards. >> reporter: those questions include whether he had access in the first 48 hours to a lawyer, a translator and someone from the consulate. this new lawyer believes that will be ground potentially for his dismissal. that while in mexico you have no bail on a firearms violation. that means he is going to be there probably in this prison for two to three more months. potentially, jenna, he is optimistic that he is going to get released and this attorney by the way is very good. he has defended the mayor of tijuana before on weapons and drug charges and got him off on 88 counts. back to you. jenna: wow, a story we will continue to watch. william, thank you. jon: tornadoes tearing through towns and homes in america's

heartland. coming up brand new video of damage left behind and a live check where these storms are headed next. also, the recall over all those defective airbags getting a lot bigger as even more automakers are being forced to recall their cars. find out if yours is on the list. we want to hear from you, with a hearing underway on the surge of unaccompanied children across our southern border will we hear anything new? go to foxnews.com/happeningnow and click on america's asking. you can get in on the discussion.

jon: now this fox news extreme weather alert. threats of severe storms looming across the central plains. meanwhile some people in ohio left homeless today after severe weather and at least one tornado touched down there last night causing thousands of dollars in damage. maria molina live in the fox news extreme weather center with more on that. maria? >> jon, that's right. the storm system is wreaking havoc across center of the country and midwest the last several days. over the weekend we saw a lot of flooding across states like minnesota, parts of iowa. you mentioned flooding across ohio. now that storm system is heading eastward. look at it on the radar. you can see areas of heavier rain pushing through parts of indiana, parts of illinois and it will continue to move eastward. it is relatively weak though. so this is weakening cold front but it has a lot of moisture with it. over next several days across interior portions of the northeast, we could be looking

at several inches of rainfall out here. locally more than four inches in spots and farther west we're looking at several disturbances exiting the rockies. there is slight chance for severe storms today, also as we head into wednesday and also into thursday, jon. looking for risk of severe weather out here. jon: it is that time of year, isn't it, maria? maria molina, thank you. >> thanks. jenna: that airbag recall already impacting millions of vehicles now getting even worse today with the total number of automakers being forced to recall their cars now climbing to seven. lauren simonetti of the fox business network live in new york city with more on this. >> hi, jenna. we're talking seven automakers and 1.1 million cars sold in hot and humid states ared now because of airbag issues. what the cars, what 1.1 million have in common is that the airbags are made by japanese supplier at that caught today. this is what can happen. the pressure can build, causing airbag inflate tore to erupt and

send metal particles flying. that is obviously very dangerous for so many drivers. this is what the u.s. government has to say about the situation. they say, quote, the nationalghy administration received notification from bmw, chrysler, ford, mazda, nissan, toyota they're conducting regional limited recalls to address a possible safety rerecall with possible takada brand inflatetors. this is six reports of airbag inflatetor ruptures which occurred in florida as well as puerto rico. the automakers will repair the vehicles for free. in most cases, replace both the driver and passenger airbag inflatetores. we're going to show you some of the models affect the right now. there is a lot of them. we're talking about seven different automakers. many of them have yet to tell and notify owners of these cars

about recalls coming. if you're keeping track this year, four fourth is no doubt the year of the recall. about one in 10 cars on our roads, or 28 million have been recalled this year. now the all-time record high was 10 years ago when that number was 31 million cars here in the u.s. recalled but we're only halfway through the year jenna. indeed, 2014 the year of the recall. this is just the very latest. jenna: very interesting. feels like we're talking about the same story every day with recalls. >> i know. jenna: there are new additions all along. there is no indication is will end here, is there. >> no indication whatsoever. it is happening a couple of reasons. the automakers in the wake of this fgm ignition switch defect are on high alert. they're looking into everything. we have technology where we can better detect problems and potential problems with cars. jenna: hopefully that means a lot more safer cars on the road ultimately. >> more than one in 10 recalled? chances are your car is recalled. jenna: a lot of inconvenience

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thank you. jenna: i'm sure you have a stake out there? jon: i'm working on it. >> you have a couple years left. a couple years to go, thank goodness. jenna: we'll turn back to one of our top stories today. the battle raging in iraq right now as additional, quote, unquote advisors the president ordered to the region began arriving in baghdad this week. as we look back at the bigger picture some suggest we're in a cycle of conflict in iraq we can't seem to get out of. in the first gulf war in 1991. we deployed half a million troops there shorter conflict obvious lynn than the second time around that started in 2003. at its height we had more than 175,000 troops in iraq. we stayed in iraq until the end of 2011. now questions about whether the u.s. is heading for a third iraq war. our next guest recently wrote on this saying, quote, u.s. strategy will need to be more sophisticated and washington drone strikes are the military option de jure but they probably would not make enough of a difference in this kind of war to be decisive. a decade of drone warfare in

pakistan and yemen has eliminated fanatics but not fanaticism. the core question is whether any military options can provide an enduring solution. robin wright is the author of that police piece in the new yorker. she is distinguished scholar at wilson center and and robin, great to have you back on the program. tell us a little bit about this cycle you were writing about and you have been observing. why can't we seem to defeat the ideology at the center of it all? >> wealth challenge this time is very different from the last two engagements on iraq over the last quarter of a century. this is one that has no prospect of an ultimate military solution. this is one really has to begin with a political solution and that's why john kerry's mission to iraq over the last two days has been very important. but it is likely to be the beginning of a much longer process trying to salvage a nascent democracy in iraq and

the challenge is really to make sure that the new government in iraq reaches out and finds a solution that will address all of the growing grievances of the minorities, particularly the sunnis and the kurds. without that, there is no hope of a military, any kind of a military action being able to hold iraq together today. jenna: considering all your work in the region, robin, and i know you've been traveling back and forth to the region since the early 1970s looking at all these early conflicts do you think that goal is possible? an iraqi government that is secular, embraces minorities is true not only to iraq but what we see in other modeled governments in the region? >> it we have any prospect of democratic governments in the region iraq ask one of the test cases. lebanon went through this in the 1970s and 1980s as well. 15 year civil war with rivalries among sectarian groups, 18 of them in lebanon.

iraq faces the same challenges can they get beyond primordial clan, tribe, sect and race issues? that is why the u.s. investment, the u.s. involvement, even on a diplomatic front is really critical. there is no other power in the world capable of trying to forge a united government. the united states invested a lot and it has, despite controversy over its involvement, it still has some creditability in trying to get this. if the united states doesn't help the iraqis find a political solution, it is doubtful that anyone else can. jenna: obviously there are those that believe a strong military option is the way to go here. in fact lieutenant colonel ralph peters on our air a few hours to go had this to say, robin. i will play it and get your reaction on it. >> some years back somebody came up with the idea of whac-a-mole describe hitting individual or small groups of terrorists. that is terrible thing. we can't play whac-a-mole. tell me what else you will do? killing terrorists in onesies

and twosies and thousands only way to do it, only way to deal with religious fanatics bent on killing you. they're not reformable. jenna: given that context, robin, why do you think a secular government in iraq would be more deterrent to terrorists fighting them on the ground and beating them. >> well you know as i said in my piece you can kill fanatics but you can't kill fanaticism. you can't deal with problems that led to widespread sunni support for the invading isis troops. one of the great tragedies is that the thugs, the jihadi juggernaut that has swept through parts of iraq now taking an area the size of indiana are not those who are going to provide for the locals. they are instituting a terrible form of government but many sunnis have opted to support or at least tolerate isis presence because they're so angry at baghdad and shiite-controlled

government. so you can arguably, whether will baghdadi in the way the united states killed bin laden, you can marginalize them but you can't eliminate them and they remain an ongoing problem. this time around with much greater consequences than al qaeda out of afghanistan and its offshoots elsewhere in the middle east. this is the most existentialal crisis for iraq and in many ways with rippling effect across the region, even much more so than syria. jenna: to your point on that, it is interesting the way you described it. the threat to the united states is barbaric jihaddism, as both ideology and tactic. that brings it so much bigger than even the situation in iraq. do we need an equally aggressive , i don't know if patriot system the right word but i guess ideology is, to meet that jihaddism? is there a western equivalent to that so that we could battle it out when it cops to the ideology and ultimately win? >> well, you know at the end of the day democracy is the one

form of government that gives everyone a sense of participation and sometimes in varying degrees. it's a long road to achieve democracy. we went through our own civil war. we have a lot of internal politicking that gets pretty vicious even today but democracy is the only way to address the jihadis who are taking rights away from people. and this is where american values do inspire in the region. iraq did make that pivotal transition from an extreme autocratic form of government to the beginnings of a democracy and challenges is getting them to embrace and enshrine and practice those principles today. jenna: and we would love to have you back on the program, robin, as we continue to see. are we marching towards the end goal? are we looking like making progress or perhaps not. thanks for the time today, we appreciate it always. >> thank you, jenna. jon: let's talk about your health. millions of dollars spent on dietary supplements every year.

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americans would rather take a bill than -- pill than sacrifice taste. dr. paul thompson, certified age management practitioner and healthy living specialist is our guest. dr. thompson, this pill thing first. the idea, that you take this, this goes into your stomach. it absorbs a bunch of water, maybe 20 minutes before the meal and makes you feel full so you eat l question is, does it work? >> thanks, jon. it does work. the study is really small. it was very short. there are only 95 people in it. it was a 12-week study. the people lost about 6.1% of their fat as compared to a placebo group that lost 4.1. so that 2% is really not that huge of amount. but there is flaws with this drug and that is, you've got to take it every time you eat. you have to drink 16 ounces of water. you have to take this polymer

that absorbs and gives you a feeling of fullness so you don't overeat. jon: i reminded of kids toys you buy at novelty shops. you throw a capsule in a water and wind up with a dinosaur the size of a sponge. that is the kind of thing we're talking about basically. it is a little bit like that fast trick band surgery where they put a band around your stomach to restrict the size except this is done internally and doesn't require any surgery, right? >> that is exactly right. there is a balloon, they're still looking at to place in your stomach and, make you feel full but in there all the time. this one again, it does absorb. it is about the size, you take about eight, no, five capsules. they absorb 100 times their size. they are about the size of a grain of salt in each capsule. it absorbs this huge size. then it shrinks down, goes through the small intestine, absorbs water again and then it goes out into the colon and you

expel it. jon: you called it a drug but the manufacturer says these are products, whatever is in this thing, is already in food. it sounds like it is more of a natural product. do i have that right? >> yes and i misspoke there, and i apologize, jon. it is, this is looked at as a device. it is from food products. it is looking like a device in that we don't absorb it into our body. stays in the stomach. i'm sorry. jon: you think a little bit of self-control on what you eat might be the better way to go? >> well, definitely. i mean, this long-term is not looking great. i think a low glycemic diet in moderation. the problem with it is, the studies have shown us, over and over again, that 80% of the population, whether they be diabetic or not, would rather take a pill than make any sacrifices in their knew operation and exercise. jon: yeah. and talking about nutrition, i'm not sure if you can say that when it comes to fast-food but,

some of the fast-food chains are trying to take salt, some of the salt, some of the fat out of their menu items but when they do, and people find out bit, there is a backlash. people don't buy it as much. so they're trying to make these changes without letting people know. what do you think about that? >> well i think it is great. i'm not a big fast-food guy. everybody like as cheeseburger. i mean we all agree with that. jon: yeah. >> but the problem is, when companies like mcdonald's make that, make that big step into healthy foods, their salads, they don't sell. they're very small. they have not done well. when you reduce the, or change the fat, they cook the french fries. soon as someone finds out they complain. so what they have done, the approach, they started lowering salt and looking for good oils and they just don't tell the customers. jon: and, as long as people don't know that might taste a little different or they're not

looking for a different taste, it works? >> it seems to be working. there are soup companies that are currently doing it. and some soups are just decreasing salt. jon: yeah. >> the backlash again, jon, that 80% of population doesn't want you fooling with anything and they don't want to make those sacrifices. give me a pill. jon: that's right. i want pickles on my big mac, that is for sure. dr. paul thompson, thank you. >> thank you, jon. jenna: are you running that hamburger video on purpose? is that what is happening here? i always want the hamburger. mom always wants the hamburger anyways. i have guess it is not new. meantime the nba's biggest star opting out of his contract. we'll have all heated details on that. a hearing underway on surge of unaccompanied children across-the-boarder. what sops the crisis. immigration issues, humanitarian issue or both? how do we solve it? foxnews.com/happeningnow.

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