jon: back in an hour, "outnumbered" starts right now. ♪ >> this is "outnumbered," and i'm kimberly guilfoyle. here today, sandra smith, harris faulkner, kirsten powers and today's hashtag one lucky guy, dr. keith ablow, and he is outnumbered. >> again. >> nothing like a good doctor on the coach or on the sofa. >> what do i do when i'm depressed i'm not here? >> ask your wife.

[laughter] >> dvr "outnumbered," okay? and watch it back. >> okay. i'll feel less alone? >> ye. it's like a nice little love sandwich. >> well, that's what i'm feeling. >> or watch "the five" every day. >> fair enough. i'll be with you. >> everyone else is okay? >> in case your patients need you, we're available dvr as well. >> we always have a session after the show where dr. keith helps us out. >> i think if we taped that, we would frighten people. [laughter] i don't know if we could come back in this forum again, i don't know. >> we would do our very best. irs targeting scandal just took a new turn, because e-mails uncovered from the woman at the heart of the controversy show she thought an audit of a republican member of congress was a good idea. lois lerner mistakenly received an invitation meant for senator charles grassley. the wife apparently offered to pay for his wife to attend an

event. lerner suggested to a colleague the case be referred for examination, but her colleague shut the idea down. now lawmakers investigating the case, well, they want to know more. >> the fact is, we've got to dig down and get to the bottom of this whole scandal, and it's been like pulling teeth with the administration. and we are starting to get more documents, and we're going to keep the pressure on. >> and now for the first time house oversight committee chairman darrell issa is calling for a special prosecutor to investigate. >> this case calls for a true special, independent prosecutor who has the ability to issue warrants, to seize materials, to safeguard documents and other information before it goes away and get to the truth. >> i love it when you bring in a special prosecutor. [laughter] right? one prosecutor to another. harris, i think i remember you saying that they should do this. >> yeah. you know what? you need somebody outside the realm. you can't have the irs investigating itself like you

have the va investigating itself, like other departments and agencies. that would be helpful in my humble opinion, but i think this just calls for an examination of the true facts. we have a woman at the center of this who may have committed some kind of crime. we don't know yet maybe what it all is, but i think we need to get the heart of that. we need to offer her some immunity, we've got to get the facts, and i just don't think we're getting anywhere. with all the hearings, people are acrimonious of them, and 74% of the public want to see an investigation followed through. we're not getting what we need right now, so we need to change the game because, you know, the definition of insanity is if you do the same thing over and over and expect a different outcome. we keep asking the same person the same questions, but can we ask them differently? >> jack lew, the treasury secretary, he doesn't think that's the case. in fact, when the republicans announced that they were going to ask for the special prosecutor, the treasury secretary said that there's enough probes going on. in fact, he said if one looks at

the record, the record should actually be pretty reassuring to people. his exact words, doctor. >> i'm not reassured. and, you know, the other psychological fallout from this is it divides the population into people who feel at risk from the irs given who's in leadership positions in washington and people who do not feel at risk. that's incredibly divisive. and that literally means one citizen may have less feeling for justice being important to another, and that's corrosive and erodes what we're all trying to build. >> that's exactly what i was going to say. [laughter] >> well, i stole your -- >> i'm kidding. it was great. everybody's got -- we're all dependent on the irs. we all have to give them and show them the money, okay? >> yes. >> so this is something everybody should feel vulnerable and concerned and worried about it. it should matter, it resonates. >> i wonder they shouldn't, though, and, kirsten, i'm interested to get your point of view on this, if they shouldn't

start talking about suspending some of the power the ir is s is going to have in this country until we figure out what's going on. because we really need to know what we're learning from this latest batch of e-mails is lois lerner was told by another employee at the irs you can't just audit senator grassley because you suspect he did something wrong, he has to actually do something and file his taxes for you to react to it. somebody had to tell her that. >> i know republicans like to talk about them having all this power regarding obamacare. they don't actually have that much power. they can determine whether somebody is going to get a tax deduction over it. they don't have access to our health care information. lois lerner, i think, is a bad apple. i think the fact that there was a guy there that said, no, you know, shows that everybody there is not doing what lois lerner is doing and a handful of -- >> well, they don't want to go to prison. >> or maybe they have ethics. you can see -- >> that's a nice positive point. >> you don't just refer somebody because you saw something that you think is questionable and, oh, he just happens to be a

major critic of the irs, and so let's refer him to the -- >> there's no crime committed until he receives this. let's prosecute everybody and turn them in to the irs for their thoughts about -- >> speaking of thoughts, hillary clinton walking back some of her thoughts. she's again explaining those remarks of hers that she and her husband were dead broke when they left the white house and that they are not truly well off. in her latest interview as part of the media blitz for her new book, the all-but-declared candidate for the white house had this to say. >> i shouldn't have said the, i think, five or so words that i said, but, you know, my inartful use of those few words doesn't change who i am, what i've stood for my entire life, what i stand for today. bill and i have had terrific opportunities. both of us, you know, have worked hard, but we've been grateful for everything that we've been able to achieve. and sadly, that's just not true for most americans today. >> but hubby bill may have missed the memo saying this

about buying a bunch of pricey swiss watches that cost $550 a pop. >> i bought 14 of them -- >> oh, you really did? >> yeah. in two different -- i'd just give them away and hope i'll make more customers. [laughter] >> meantime -- [laughter] the sale for ms. clinton's book, "hard choices," reportedly having a hard time in bookstores. the new york times saying sales dropping sharply in its second week in publication to a total of about 100,000 hard covers and e-books total sold. that's far short of the one million books her publisher sent to bookstores. clinton's memoir expected to top "the new york times" bestseller list for nonfiction this sunday. doctor, she's acknowledging she stumbled on a few of her words about her family's wealth. shouldn't we give her a pass? >> this is what i think. clearly, these people served as public officials not looking, i

don't think from the beginning, to get rich. i don't think that becoming governor is a strategy, to become a wealthy person. but i do think that she tipped her cards, and she is so hungry to get people to vote for her that she's willing to say things that clearly don't resonate, that aren't really true. and that's more of a concern. do i think that she designed to become a hundred millionaire by serving as a public servant? no i don't. but the fact that she has this hollow ear as to whether she now is different than other people suggests that she'll tell you anything, and she does. the benghazi thing being another example that she says what difference does it make if it was reality or not? if i tell you what i need to tell you to get your vote? well, guess what? it does matter. >> well, we have sound of hillary responding, and i want, kirsten, to get your take on this. hillary responded to her husband coming to her defense. listen. >> my husband was very sweet

today, but i don't need anybody to defend my record. i think my record speaks for itself. >> because there were some critics, kirsten, saying, well, what, she had to have her husband, a man -- [inaudible] [inaudible] >> i think it was harris on this show. >> i think it's unfair though. it is her husband, and he's in the public life, and somebody is going to naturally ask him what -- >> she wouldn't be in public life if it weren't for her husband. >> you don't know that. >> i do. i don't think she would have been elected to anything -- >> why? what's that based on? >> because her entire reputation as a national figure came from being, living in the white house and sleeping with the president. >> she was a much bigger star when they met. she was on the cover of "life" magazine, she was a sort of rising star, and if they hadn't gotten -- >> if she wouldn't have subjugated herself to bill's career a the point is, you don't know -- >> she's made a mess. [inaudible conversations] >> there's no reason to believe she wouldn't have gone on to be successful. >> [inaudible] >> i think that she's out of touch. i don't agree with what

dr. keith said about this sort of psychological analysis. i just think she's out of touch like every single person who runs for president. i mean, you don't have people running for president who don't have a lot of money, and they tend to say very out-of-touch things. >> out of touch or not truthful in the benghazi thing was not truthful. >> that's different than the money stuff. the money stuff, i think, just shows she doesn't understand that she's very wealthy. >> and does bill really understand when he's talking about -- >> she understands that she's wealthy. you know, when i look at this, i see such hypocrisy and such a disconnect. they live in a town here this new york called chappaqua, right? it's one of the wealthiest places in the nation. in fact, a desegregation settlement is what they're trying the adhere to by adding more minorities in their community and trying to diversify both economically -- and that was the first place they chose to live in after the white house. >> don't you think there are rich people who live in really

nice places who don't realize how well off they are compared to the rest of the -- >> no. >> no, not really. >> kimberly, i think, is what -- >> yes, thank you, sandra. i am here. >> come on, kimberly. >> bottom line is, you know, i know the clintons, and i think it's good he defends her. i wouldn't have a problem if i had a husband at this moment and he defended me. i think it's important to be a team. then she came out and said, hey, listen, i don't need him to defend me, etc. nobody doubts that she can handle herself. but the bigger picture is, is she somebody that's suitable to be president of the united states given her loose relationship with the truth -- >> yes. >> -- and, like you said, the hollow ear. she's really made a mess of this rollout whether she's listening to advisers or not listening to them, she doesn't seem quite ready and in sync for prime time on this, and there is a long and storied history of her comments and character and behavior that should come into question to make a decision as an informed voter. >> i agree. and i will stand with this: for

the first time, god forbid bill clinton were not alive today -- really, i wish him a long life -- the chances of his wife being elected president are zero. people will vote for this woman because her husband's going to the white house again. that -- >> utterly absurd. >> poll it, you'll find out i'm absolutely right. >> she can't be president without a man standing behind her? >> no -- >> not just any man. >> just the wife of the president running for president, and -- >> i don't agree. >> i bet if michelle obama ran and barack wasn't around -- >> that would improve her chances. [laughter] >> no, i'm not kidding -- >> god forbid again. >> you guys are making my transitions very easy today. iraq spiraling out of control as we learn the white house did not see the rise of the army isis coming. also, a new fashion trend that's got some people very concerned. clothes made in size, 0,, size,t

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>> fabulous look at times square out there, right? welcome back to "outnumbered." a disturbing trend is making headlines as super skinny figures are back in. forget size 0 or 00, the latest fashion fad is 000. the average waist size of a 6-8-year-old girl. according to one entertainment tabloid, this ultra skinny size is the number one goal among actresses and models right now. one of our staffers took this photograph at a mainstream clothing store just today. it'll look strange if we don't pop it up. okay. on the flip side, in a recent survey, more women reported wearing a size 16 than those who wear a 0, 2 or 4 combined, and many plus size women would pie more clothes if they could just find nice, flattering pieces. sandra, i'm going to start with

you on this. you and i are raising daughters, but what's the message that you're planning to teach your little one -- >> oh, for sure to be healthy. that's it. be healthy. look, i think there's definitely something going on here, and i believe money drives all decisions made by designers, clothing stores, you name it. i think you will all agree -- at least the women on the couch, i don't know about the men, dr. ablow -- but if you go into some clothing stores, they are lying to you about the size of their clothing. >> yeah. >> there are clothing stores that want you to get so excited that you fit into a size two sizes smaller when in reality that's really, you know, the size that you wear. so you run out of the store, oh, my god, i got a size 2. >> now you've ruined it. >> i think that's going on. i think you know what i'm talking about. but i do wonder why if it's all about money, why more designer ands more clothing stores aren't catering to the size 16 when, clearly, these women are saying they can't find clothes that are attractive. >> some of them are, we'll get to that in a second.

but i don't know if everybody knows this, you were a model, lingerie model, those are really tiny clothes. >> yeah. so is this dress. >> you look fabulous. it's all about the look. what was the pressure like to stay thin? >> you know, for me, harris, to be honest, it really wasn't because the type, the model that i was was more voluptuous, so nobody ever said, honest to god, anything to me about losing weight or you're too, you know, you're overweight or you could lose some pounds. i did go in there eating burger king one day, and i was supposed to meet some people, and they were like, hey, could you at least not be eating all this stuff in your audition? i was like, well, i'm hungry. [laughter] but i wasn't runway where you have to be so pin thin. i liked it that it was more healthy and women with voluptuous chests and bottoms. >> look at the, at this picture on the screen right now. 000 is about a 22 and a half inch waist, and that's about the size to a 6-8-year-old child.

>> that's irresponsible. >> there is this mod cloth, one of the houses that sells plus size, and there's a plus size revolution going on, something like what sandra was talking about, for that and many retailers. could this backfire? get the girls to band together and say, you know what? there's no way we're going to be skinny. >> i think girls who are going to do that are going to do that probably. i think it's smart for them to target the plus size audience. what's going on for the girls or women that are doing this is they're being infantilized. they're being asked to be little girls. you can disagree with me, but, you know, i think this is not something that even looks attractive. i don't know how this could even look good on an adult, you know, unless they are a naturally super tiny, tiny picture. >> yeah. >> you know, small-boned -- >> all right, quick around the couch from your perspective. >> >> very quick because time being of the essence. look, number one it's aspirational. it's not infantilizing because

women buy women's magazines, and guess what? they would say that's an attractive woman, and these are thin-as-a-rail women. now, look, as to being in the business of creating size 18 clothing, maybe people don't want to sell booze to alcoholics. have you ever thought of that? >> oh, interesting. >> i don't want to -- even if i could make a killing at it, i don't know if i'm selling plus 20 sizes because i really want to put that person in a diet program. >> the booze companies are selling to alcoholics. >> well, i get that, but you wouldn't make a business of that and, there can, there will be people -- look, there will be people who create that clothing, but shouldn't we be saying to women and men, hey, if you're going to the big and tall shop and it's not because you're tall, how about you go over to the -- >> like you said, healthy choices. >> -- natural food store afterwards. >> exercise, maybe you have a thyroid problem. >> okay, let's move on. >> yeah, maybe. >> listen to this quote: my plan was to take a recycling bin from the school and take one of the pressure cookers i meat and put

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♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." the chaos in iraq is getting worse by the day. a town about an hour from baghdad that is home to four natural gas fields have been taken over by isis-led militants this as we learn the white house apparently didn't see the insurgency coming. a report says senior administration officials met with senators behind closed doors earlier this week and told them the white house did not anticipate and wasn't prepared for the rise of isis. meantime, the ap is reporting cia officers in iraq have been hunkered down in their heavily-fortified compound since the u.s. left the country in 2011, leaving our spying program to wither on the vine. some say that could be the reason the united states was reportedly caught off guard. kimberly, i know you're fired up about this issue. >> totally. and this is untrue. the administration actually knew about it, was warned by several of our intelligence agencies and by head of kurdish intelligence that these activities were happening, that isis was

buildi numbers and momentum and and acquiring, you know, weapons, and we sat back and watched. now we're acting so surprised. so that, to me, is that's such a false statement, and it just shows the lack of honesty from this administration and the incompetence. it's not, trust me, it's not all their fault. this has been a building of events. but nevertheless, let's be mature, let's be grown-ups, let's address the situation, let's show some courage as the commander in chief to do what's right in the best interests of this country and security going forward than just what is politically expedient and plays to the base. >> separate from what we should do, sandra, it is a little hard to believe that they couldn't, you know, they wouldn't know what's going on there. this isn't a secret -- >> or that they didn't see it coming. >> right. even if you set aside that we know for a fact that they did know, we could just sort of theorize it would be hard to not know what's happening in iraq. we have people in iraq who,

presumably, are watching it fairly closely. what do you think of that? >> i was going to quote mike rogers, republican from michigan, said this was not an intention failure, this was a policy -- intelligence failure, this was a policy failure. and to speak to kimberly's words, the spokesman for the cia went on to say anyone who had access to and read the full extent of the cia intelligence products on isis in iraq would not have been surprised. the red flags were up, they should have seen this coming, and now there's no plan. >> dr. keith, what do you think? why do you think they're saying they didn't know? >> i think they're saying they didn't know because they're trying to explain a seemingly inexplicable situation, but it's a direct decrepe cant of their policy which is to withdraw globally america's influence in the world. because that is barack obama's position. to shrink the size of america. and when you do that, guess what? very dark forces gather to occupy that energy space. this is like -- >> it's a void. >> it's a void. >> you know, i think it's something more insidious than

maybe we really want to realize. they didn't know what to do, is what i'm thinking. and, you know, the president says he's gotten so much of his information from news. we've been reporting on the call from the prime minister in iraq for help since january. so if he were watching fox be, he would have known that the situation were dire and deteriorating -- >> maliki specifically requested the president to strike isis bases a month before this came out, okay? that fell on tone deaf ears again because, again, they just want to put their hand up, anything but face the situation at hand. and now what's happening? >> again, i would ask the white house had now faced it -- had you faced it, what would your plan have been? >> they don't want to get involved. i mean, that's the bottom line. >> there's no sign. >> i don't know why they would have to -- >> but there are plenty of people, i mean, petraeus doesn't think the airstrikes are necessarily a good idea. >> well, that seems to be the only plan. >> why not just say that, you know? why not just say we withdrew, we don't see a good plan to move forward here -- >> because he's intellectually

dishonest. >> i mean, that just isn't believable. >> he won't tell us who he is because then we'd realize we elected somebody who doesn't like us, doesn't want america -- >> state department knew all this, the kurds provided realtime intelligence to the administration, so the problem is somebody's lacking some vertebrae, spine. >> okay. a potential columbine or sandy hook possibly averted. police in minnesota say a so-called good kid from a good family revealed his plans for mass murder at his high school in chilling jailhouse tapes. this after he was found to have a fascination with making homemade bombs. some of the video you see here actually came from what he allegedly posted on his youtube channel. he's 17 years old. we will not name because he's yet to be charged as an adult. took inspiration from the columbine killers and laid out in detail how he would start with bombs at school before going on a shooting rampage saying, quote: my intentions were then when people were

fleeing, i would detonate it when people were fleeing just like during the boston bombing and blow them up too. then my plans were to enter and throw molotov cocktails and pipe bombs and destroy everyone. and then when the s.w.a.t. comes, i would destroy myself, end quote. and that was not all of the chilling confession. there's much, much more to this. dr. keith ablow, my question for you -- because this kid says he came from a good home. he was disturbed. insanity versus evil, are they the same thing? >> no, they're not. and i don't think that anyone's born evil. so here's what i think, i think that the clue to understanding this young man is the last thing he said. he said, in the end, i would destroy myself. listen, that would be redundant. he's been destroyed. the question is by what. what combination of a mental illness like a personality disorder or asperger's -- which, by the way, most people with asperger's hurt no one -- but what kind of illness is this and

what destroyed him in terms of his empathy? you can't kill anyone until you're destroyed yourself by circumstances in your life and by neurochemical events, perhaps, that aspire to that. there is no evil that leads to this, it's all illness, and we have to muster the wherewithal and the intention to deal with it. >> all right. i want to get to this. firstoff, i was not bullied. he tries to explain away why he did this. at all. i don't believe, i don't think i've been bullied in my life. i have good apartments, i live -- parents, i las vegas in a good -- i live in a good town i think i'm just mentally ill. >> is this a legal defense? >> certainly if they have facts and examinations to support it, right? this is an individual who suffers -- then it get into the legal mumbo jumbo which is did he know and understand the nature of his quality of his actions at the time. there could be someone that has components and shades of mental illness, but is it sufficient to

rise to the level to excuse the crime because you lacked the capacity, the intent at the time you committed the offense. everything that he has, any online things to show, look, this was a person who was lucid but perhaps due to bad events in his life became someone that turned against people. >> sure. this was a situation that was averted though, and are we -- >> thank god. >> -- kirsten, in a place where we want to try to stop people and also evaluate them and punish them? what do we do with this case? >> i don't know because the thing that i'm confused about and i wanted to ask dr. keith is if he's mentally ill, is it possible to be mentally ill and no one around you notice? is that possible? >> it's certainly possible that you could be profoundly disordered, right? and, you know, psychiatry has turned a kind of blind eye in a way to these axis ii disorders like social develop think, right? antisocial personality disorder. but these things are skyrocketing in the face, i

believe, of computer games, of things like social networking, thicks that remove -- things that remove us from our empathy, from our connections with others. so we may in a place where we need to do some case finding. test people not just for -- >> two guys running around in a dating pool, by the way. [laughter] >> somebody was screaming for attention. i mean, actually to reveal the plot without actually doing anything. >> thank god, right? i mean, listen, i've had people come to my office with intentions to harm others in serious ways. thank god. i've had people come saying i'm a pedophile, but i won't go out during the spring and summer because i might see a child. i stay home. >> what do you say to that? >> i think you're a hero. you're heroic. >> really? >> sure you're heroic. you have a disorder, and you're willing to forgo your income for the spring and summer months? wonderful, let's work on this -- >> do you think the kid should be rewarded because he didn't do this? >> well, if he didn't do it, absolutely. and, listen, the government lately, i've had cases come to

my office of clear entrapment, by the way, the government coerces to say they're going to say things online in a manner in which only the technology leads them to dial that in. they would never necessarily do it. this kid if he came forward and said, look, i'm ill, i can't go through with this, sure, that's a good thing. >> we encourage people to come forward and seek help or alert people to it. >> absolutely. but pride was a psychiatrist, not the cop. if that's the case. >> a d.c. think tank releasing a new report on u.s. drone policy criticizing the administration's decision to expand the program. we'll have a live report. and contrary to popular belief, women are the most aggressive ones in the republican -- >> i knew that. >> -- even labeled intimate terrorists. >> oh, my god. >> yes. >> that's according to some scientists. we'll look at i. >> what are you talking about, harris? >> come on,lp harris! with beneful healthy smile food. with special crunchy kibbles and great taste, it's a happy way to a healthy smile.

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[laughter] women have always been known as the gentler sex but not anymore because according to some new study, in fact, they're being dubbed as intimate terrorists. i'm not loving it. now, psychologists find women are more likely than men to be controlling and aggressive in relationships, and in contrary to previous studies, women use more physical violence against their partner. however, men were more likely to be physically aggressive towards other men, so towards other dudes, but not be towards women. so what is this? so women are more aggressive with men physically as well, and we're intimate terrorists? was in the a guy in charge of this study? >> i question the inclusion criteria. i mean, if what we're going to talk about is women, you know, lightly, you know, slapping someone on the arm or -- >> or on the butt if they like it. >> -- they're ruling autoof that into -- all of that into violence. listen, we know there are

women's shelters for reasons, and i'm not saying -- >> there are battered men. they're less likely to report. >> but they're fewer and further between than battered women, so i think this study minishes the real -- diminishes the real, important issue because i think it's one of intensity. and women aren't intimate terrorists, they're women. so their way of achieving things in relationships may be quite different. and if men feel as though, boy, you're trying to control me by sulking, that's being an intimate terrorist. no, i'm just a woman. this is my repertory. >> interesting, dr. keith. sorry to cut you off. >> he was doing so well. >> the women thing kind of got to me. dr. keith -- >> it's okay. i can help you with that. you seem too sensitive. see, a psychiatrist can always look at the -- [laughter] >> i'm so uncomfortable right now. >> just tell the truth, and we need another session. >> but, dr. keith, i will agree with one part of what you said, and that is i think that men and women don't understand that they are different all the time. and women want their men to be

their best friend -- >> that's a great point. >> and their girlfriend rather than acknowledging that he's a man, i'm a woman, we're different. i do things different -- >> respectfully, i would say the women's movement, as you're alluding to, missed the boat in that way in saying we want to be men, in some ways they said, rather than let us be fully ourselves as women. which includes our professions and our sexuality and the rest of it. instead i think there's been a homogenizing of the two genders -- >> yeah, i would agree with that. >> development to be homogeneous. >> you're not. >> we're going to mix it up and -- >> you know what i say that drives that? >> you're at the least risk of anyone i know -- [laughter] you're very female. >> i'm liking my feel. >> you know what i think sometimes is the perception that men have all of the power, and i think women have wanted to gain some of that power. they figured well, you know, if we become more like men, then we'll have that. women have to remember we don't

need to be like a dude to be powerful. >> yeah. i'm next to a powerful woman right here. [laughter] >> absolutely. >> she's got the power this her name, so what's the deal? >> what's the deal? i don't know. >> you an intimate terrorist? [laughter] >> i wish they would have defined intimate terrorist, is that like asking someone how they feel about something? what do men consider intimate terrorism? i think it's just probably being a woman. i also think this goes against, and you know this better than i do, it goes against almost every study that's been done that women really are the ones who are being victimized and, yes, there are some men, but it's not -- that's not a real, serious problem. >> and you're not being terrorized if you lack the wherewithal to give what's being asked of you. men may feel how do i communicate the way she is, i feel put upon -- >> or maybe they have mommy issues. >> that's something to learn. >> what if you're where the with the wrong person? if you're with the right person, you're not going to feel

manipulated. >> oh, yeah, you still will. [laughter] >> i don't think you're going to get a lot of dates, you're like, hey, check me out, intimate terrorist, right? >> the t-shirts could sell. i think you should wear one, i want a piece of that action. >> i need you to give me some love from camera one here, hi, there you are. a major decision on new york city's attempts to limit sales of swum bow sugary drinks. also, forget what anyone says about the shifting balance between home and work, how much more time women spend doing house work than men. take out the trash. [laughter] starts with back pain... ...and a choice. take 4 advil in a day which is 2 aleve... ...for all day relief. "start your engines"

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deeply disappointed in that ruling from the supreme court, the nation's highest court, of course, ruling that the president did not have the authority to make appointments to a labor relations board while the senate was in a brief recess. also, flash flooding hitting parts of texas. we will have some of that video for you. some drivers had to be rescued. rick reichmuth is in the emergency weather center. and remember the alamo! singer phil collins will join us live to discuss his major donation to the alamo museum and tell us what led to his obsessive collecting of alamo memorabilia. he's a brit, after all. that's coming up, "happening now". >> all right, we'll be watching. thanks, jon. jon: thank you. >> well, i may be outnumbered, but it's my turn with story so, fellas, listen up. it could be time, some say, to pick up brooms, start cooking on the stove because while many women are excelling in their careers, they're narrowing this gender pay gap people talk

about, the ladies are still supposedly doing most of the household chores. in fact, on average women do nearly 49% of the house work while men do much less. but, of course, those numbers don't work. [laughter] let's just say they do much more. they also spend an average of 51 more minutes a day on chores, so maybe it's time for guys to start doing laundry. i don't know, washing dishes -- >> i don't know. >> we've got to think about it, what do you think? do you want your man to wash the dishes, do the laundry? >> i want him to be hands on in every way. [laughter] you have a problem with that? >> say more, i want some details. >> hands on he and hands on the house. >> nice. >> so you're connecting, you're linking -- >> why not? we're in this together. no, but my point is why do you have to carve it out to be like, okay, i'm going to do all of this, and then you just get all of this. no. >> oh, my. >> okay. >> we're in this together. whether or not -- empty the dishwasher. help take out the trash or do something. i'm not saying if you have a housekeeper, fine.

>> kimberly, i have to disagree with you because by the time i ask to have the dishwasher emptied, i would have had it done already. it turns into this huge chore with you men. and by the way, you have to tell us what you do around the house first, doctor. >> well, i will, but let me first -- [laughter] >> don't give in, sandra. >> do you want your husband to volunteer to do these things? >> sounds like a jennifer aniston/vince vaughn movie. i want you to want to do the dishes. [laughter] >> or at least offer is nice. >> i think i offer, but i do tend sometimes to say, look, if you're asking me to do x, what if we just decide that that's what i do and that that's it. i try to compartmentalize it because what i don't want is somebody sort of needling me all the time -- not that this is happening, debbie -- >> i hope that's your wife. [laughter] >> yeah. wait -- yes, it is. [laughter] >> oh, harris. >> i want to know what my responsibilities are. so i don't want encroachment and

constant increases or changes. what do you think, harris? >> you know what? we have divided things equally because we're very efficient, very busy people, so i don't really care -- >> you guys are a team in every way. >> there's some things he's really, really good at. he's the fire guy, anything that happens, he cleans that out. everything on the outside of the house, trash taking, all that kind of thing. i take care of the inside of the house and the laundry, and it works out. but we really have to be a team because we we have to get a lotf things done, and we have kids. >> teamwork, it is. >> i like that. >> okay your past relationships, what happened in the powers household? >> well, i pretty much did all of the horse work, i'd say. but -- house work, but i was married to somebody who's very successful, and i have a very busy job. we had a cleaning lady, and that's what i would suggest. the rest of it did sort of fall to me because i think that's the way it happens. if you're both working --

>> i agree. >> i don't really like doing house work, so i don't like the idea of splitting it. i'd rather just pay someone to do it. [laughter] >> the clintons -- >> job well done. i like doing it. >> well, america's productivity at a bit of a low point right now. with so many eyes glued to the television watching the americans play in germany at the world cup, how big of an impact is it having on the economy? [cheers and applause] you told us your number one olive garden dishes.

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watching their game on the computer. and the productivity took a nose doichlt if you need a note to go watch the game. u.s. soccer tweeting out an excuse note. everybody is watching outnumbered. >> why wouldn't you? >> this is huge. i wish i was right now. and we got it on the back. i love soccer and i am excited that usa is getting on board worldwide. my little kid loves soccer and he's psyched on this.

and here's the thing. why at a time when there's so many international issues, i am suspicious of another bread and circus routine. roll out the marijuana and roll back the laws and get people crazy about yet another entertainment event. it is like rome. it is like rome. i can see why obama would love the world cup. >> they are encouraging kids to play soccer from a young age. >> i think that that is fine, but it is interesting at a time to pay interest to. they are playing games. gosh, they took the schedules years ago and it is not like they lined tup in the current events of the world.

>> i think it is like the olympics right now. >> dr. coating needs to take a chill pill. >> you need to talk to a therapist after this hour. >> so you back here tomorrow. happening now starts right now. whew! >> terrorist are closing in on a dam that could be used as its own weapons of mass destruction. >> and a ban on abortion protest and one major decision on obama care still to come. and the food police kept in check and a soda ban on the sugary drinks in one of america's biggest cities is officially dead. a now twist in the irs targeting of conservate