>> this is "outnumbered," i'm kimberly guilfoyle, and here today, sandra smith, kirsten powers, harris faulkner and governor mike huckabee. >> indeed, one lucky guy. >> you're outnumbered, and i don't mean by democrats. you've got one here, but other than that, you're outnumbered by ladies today. >> i feel outnumbered most days of my life, but at least it's much more pleasant company being outnumbered by. thanks for having me. >> we're going to try to maintain that level of civility and decorum, let us know how we do. >> indeed. >> fantastic. feel important here with the governor today. nice to have him. it's a case that could redefine religious freedom in the workplace, one of the first major attempts to limit the scope of obamacare. we're talking about hobby lobby. the supreme court is expected to rule on the case monday, the justices will decide if the affordable care act infringes on the craft store chain's

religious cites by forcing the company to provide full contraceptive coverage to its workers as part of its health care plan. now, hobby lobby's evangelical christian owners, they take issue with some of the methods of birth control mandated under obamacare. they argue the fine that they face for noncompliance would be a substantial burden if the court decides in their favor, the ruling could have far-reaching effects not just for women, but for many americans. what a perfect guest to have here today to discuss this, governor. i'm going to lead off with you today. >> hobby lobby provides contraceptives. there are 20 different varieties, and they provide 16 of the 20. but four of them are abortion, and they don't provide those. the question is why is it the government's business to get into the weeds and the details not of providing medical services, but exactly what kind? when should the government write the prescription? and i think that's really what's

at stake here. why shouldn't the private business owner have some rights to say i'm going to cover a knee replacement if it's done in this manner, but i'm not going to do it if it's more expensive. there are a lot of questions here, and it's not just contraceptives. >> a lot of critics say, well, what if you're working for a christian scientist or jehovah's witness, they don't believe in blood transfusions, do you think it should extend to those circumstances? >> i mean, i think if someone is providing you benefits, they have a right to determine what those are. put it this way, suppose, for example, that we're in a different culture. let's say we have a real turn in this country, and we go very pro-life. the supreme court changes, the president changes, congress changes, and it's against the law to provide an abortion, yet there's some business out there that wants to provide it. now, how comfortable are liberals going to be to say, oh, that's fine be, we won't provide abortion services or

contraceptives because the government doesn't want us to. that would be a very different conversation going on on the left if that were the case. >> you know, but to kirsten's point, i'm just curious how you see this. >> yeah. >> i mean, you mentioned some examples there. i'll mention one that's even wider reaching. what if a company believes in women not being equal, and they decide not to pay them equally? do you see a slippery slope? >> no, not on that issue. >> maybe it's against their religious beliefs to treat women equally, so they wouldn't pay them equally. >> okay. but the point is we have clear definitions of the law when it comes to equality of treatment. >> aha. >> if you wanted to argue that, you would say the companies have to provide men some type of contraceptive. >> interesting. >> so how would you equate that? the point is, when the government gets into the details of not just covered people, but how much coverage and exactly what that coverage looks like, i think the government has stepped in way over its head at that point.

>>nd they've also, to a certain extempt, said -- extent, said what's moral and what's not moral. according to religious beliefs, sandra, of these owners, they believe that they are. >> well, and so businesses are very actively speaking out on this. it has very widespread implications for them, for their rights, for the costs that would be involved. but, governor huckabee, it's unbelievable when you look at the overwhelming support from the american public on this mandate, even when a company objects to it based on religious beliefs. the kaiser health tracking poll back in april found that the public supports the requirement by nearly a two to one margin, so the american public is largely in favor of this. >> doesn't matter if the public supports it 99 to 1. the question still comes down to if i own a privately-owned company -- and that's a big issue here. this is not a public company, this is a privately-own company, family owned, and if it's my money, shouldn't i have some right to say there are some

things i'm just not going to pay for? >> well, and you wrought up a point -- brought up a point, if you don't want to work for that company -- >> nobody is forced at gunpoint to work for hobby lobby. what business is it of the government to tell 'em they don't like working there? >> he's absolutely right, and this is a great case that's perfectly suited to be with the supreme court. i think this is going to be a significant, important ruling, and that's why we are covering it here. >> well, nbc's matt lauer, have you heard about this? is in the hot seat for the questions he posed to gm's first-ever woman ceo, mary barra, dealing with the safety scandal that's rocking that auto giant right now. faulty ignitions linked to the death of at least 13 people. check out the first question. >> some people who are speculating that you also got this job as a woman and as a mom because people within general motors knew this company was in

for a very tough time. and as a woman and a mom, you could present a softer taste and softer image for -- face and softer image for this company. does it make sense or does it make you bristle? >> well, it's absolutely not true. you know, i believe i was selected for this job based on my qualifications, but we dealt with this issue. >> and then he did something that i guess you could call a double down. he next asked paraabout juggling -- barra about juggling the demands of a ceo with her mom life. >> you're a mom, i mentioned. you said in an interview that your kids said their going to hold -- they're going to hold you accountable for one job, and that is being a mom. >> correct. >> given the pressures of this job at general motors, can you do both well? >> you know, i think i can. i have a great team. we're on the right path. we're doing the right things. we're taking accountability, and also i have a wonderful family, a supportive husband and pretty proud of my kids the way they're

supporting me in this. >> she was friendly in the way she answered, i thought. anyway, just hours after that interview matt lauer posted this information on his facebook page. he said he was referencing an article where barra had talked about the challenges of balancing work and home life. he wrote in part, quote: it's an issue almost any parent, including myself, can relate to. if a man had publicly said something similar, i would have asked him exactly the same -- >> no. false, false, i'm sorry, i'm going to jump in here because this just got me all riled up. even hearing it over again. i look back at an alan mulally interview he did in 2009. he's the father of five. he did not ask a single question of alan mulally about raising his kids and being at the helm of a company. rick wagoner raised his kids. not only could i not recall an instance where matt lauer or any

major anchor asked such a question about managing being a father and the head of a major company. >> right. >> but in general, mary barra was extremely courteous by answering that question j. she was, but in fairness now, matt lauer's talking about this other article she had done with, i believe it was "forbes" magazine, where she brought up and balancing everything. and, you know, kirsten, some would argue that men aren't expected to have to balance it all, so it is part of our conversation. >> matt lauer has three children, and he's running all over the world -- >> in the world is matt lauer, is what he does. >> and nobody has any problem with that. so i think it's sort of a little bit of an excuse to be saying, well, she brought it up and so, therefore, it's fair game. >> i think it was what he was thinking inside, honestly, because that's how he thinks about it, you know? and his wife raises their chirp. i thought he stayed on it with a persistent line of questioning that became very uncomfortable at a certain point where that's all he focused on.

do you ask a male ceo, you know, your kids are going to hold you accountable? it was just so off base. i get it that he's trying to reference that article, but how many times are you going to harp on that point? >> look, i'm outnumbered, there are four of you. let me say i think on the record he's a misogynist pig, and he should never have asked that question. i do think it was inappropriate -- >> yeah, it was. >> because it's not posed to men. nobody ever questioned me when i was governor and said you have got a very responsible job, how can you be a dad? >> interesting. >> i made the priority to be a father. i knew that was the one job i couldn't outsource. people get their jobs done. it doesn't matter whether you're male or female. i think the question was totally out of line. i do think maybe he's not a misogynist, but he is a sexist pig, and he shouldn't have asked the question. >> let me ask you this quickly, what if the interviewer had been a woman? >> i'd still think it's an inappropriate question because that's really not the business

of questioning whether a person can be a parent. if you want to ask it in a more general way, how do you juggle being a parent? but when you use the term "as a woman," suddenly you've turned it into a gender issue. that's when you cross the line. >> you're diminishing them. yes, she can do her job and raise her kids, and i like that she brought up her husband because they co-parent together. it's sort of offensive. are you going to ask that of any woman regardless of whether a woman's running for president? hey, hillary clinton, you still going to be a grandmother and still keep an eye on chelsea? >> but to kimberly's point, it probably was just a natural thought in his mind, and that's why he asked the question, he was thinking about his audience seeing this woman at the helm of a major -- >> well, if he's thinking about his audience, he ought to think about all of us who may or may not see it the way he does, male or female -- >> that's why i watch "fox & friends." [laughter]

>> a lot of us get these questions. i like the way that you put it, keep gender out. >> that's a fair question. >> another story the governor will weigh in on, the heartbreaking story out of israel. three missing teenagers, one is a u.s. citizen, possibly kidnapped by radical islamists. what governor huckabee, just back from israel, says president obama should be doing to help out those kids. plus, we though they are far from dead broke, but how -- now we know, rather, how much bill and hillary clinton have raked in from all the speeches and book sales and what not since they left the white house. the eye-popping paychecks, where they're going from here. stay close. ♪ ♪ starts with back pain...

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whom. an eye-opening washington post article detailing bill clinton's sometimes frantic pace giving speeches to corporate audiences worldwide, at one time pulling in a million and a half bucks in a week's time. he raked in a staggering $105 million for 542 speeches between the years of 2001 and january 2013. that's not counting book advances or investments. the majority of the former president's speaking income from foreign speeches. wall street banks and financial firms paying mr. clinton about $20 million for 102 appearances. hillary's standard fees considered to be lower than her husband's but still estimated to start around $200,000. that's what she's expected to earn this fall, money reportedly going to the clinton family foundation. governor huckabee, at a time when ms. clinton is trying so

hard to make it appear that she's in touch with the average joe and with the evidence people out -- everyday people out there, isn't it going to be difficult come the midterm elections to see how much money they've been making? >> i don't begrudge them the money they've made. good for them. but when you get that much money from wall street banks and one day she's going to say, oh, by the way, i'm going to be really hard on making sure that all these financial institutions live by the rules, all those people out there in america who had their homes foreclosed on, are you kidding me? how is that going to go over? i'd hate to have to defend that if i were hillary clinton saying, by the way, my family made $100 million, mostly from people that foreclosed your home. >> but then again, you can't blame them. >> that's what i say. i don't blame them for making the money or taking it, but if you're going to take that kind of money and then come and say i'm really this touch, i'm just a regular person, i'm dead

broke, i'm barely making it -- just be honest saying i made a lot of money. this is america. i'll make more if i can. >> you out of all of us is the only person who's thought or run for president. >> remind me how that turned out. [laughter] >> i want to know from your perspective, you always hear politicians who are on the stump saying around that kitchen table issue, how can you -- and i'm going to quote another writer who wrote about this this week -- how can you when someone has been bringing the plate to the table for you for so many years? >> i think it's difficult. you can say, look, over the past few years we've done very well, but it wasn't always like this. if you can put it in the context of living the american dream, people can reach up and grasp that. but if you really haven't driven a car in 20 years and if you don't know what bread costs and you haven't been to the grocery store in a long time or thought about what it was going to cost, then i'm sorry, it's hard to

relate. and whether you do or not, the question is do people believe that you do. that's going to be the hard part because the number one question, just real quickly, the number one question that people ask in a poll is how much does this person care about people like me. that's really the issue. >> well, and her husband's the one who said he can feel the pain. >> yes. >> but, kimberly, people just want hillary clinton to come out and be honest with them and be transparent and say, you know what? we might have walked out of the white house saddled in debt, but we were walking to a roof over our heads, and we had food to eat. that's different than somebody else who's dead broke in the united states. >> yeah, you're talking about authenticity and whether or not it's something hillary clinton is good at and can relate. she did have a different upbringing versus bill's upbringing, right, growing up very poor in arkansas. the problem is she's not going to be able to co-opt your message and get away with i feel your pain. she's not going to convince

people of it the way he was able to do that and connect. so don't try to. be real, say, look, these are the opportunities i was given, great education, and isn't it incredible in america i can be secretary of state, and now i can seek the nomination from my party again to be president of the united states. fantastic, put me in. let me help you get in your life what we've been able to achieve this ours. >> they need to call you for that message. >> how do you think this is going to play out? >> somebody has to be making this case against her, so i actually think it's hard for republicans to make this case especially after mitt romney, they got done saying none of this matters to turn around and say it matters if hillary, if it didn't matter for romney, why would it matter for hillary? romney seemed out of touch, which is what hillary's stepping this. so it's not that she has the money, it's the sense that she doesn't even understand just how different her life actually is -- >> how much she really has? >> yeah. and i think that's where she can get into trouble.

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day that the president or any other high ranking official in the u.s. government made a comment about it. june the 12th, three boys coming home from school were kidnapped by reportedly hamas according to the israeli government. hamas neither confirmed nor denied it, and on the official even fatah web site, they celebrated the kidnapping of these boys. so if anybody thinks that their tax dollars in america paying to the palestinian authority is a good investment, you help sponsor a web site that celebrated a kidnapping not of soldiers, but of schoolboys, one of whom is an american citizen. a different category. i've been outraged. the closest thing we had to a statement until a couple of days ago was jen sock i can's embarrassing statement when she said we just ask all sides to show restraint. and i'm thinking, wait a minute, one side is a kidnapper, tell me what the other side is and what you show restraint. this has been another way in

which this administration has shown its bias against israel, and i think it's an anti-semitic, irrational bias. >> is there any chance they're doing things behind the scenes? >> there may be. that's fine. and let's hope they are, you know? kirsten, i hope that they're doing some things, i hope they're sharing intelligence, i hope that they're offering to be of assistance. but why can't they at least come out and say because this young man is an hearn citizen, you touch a hair on that kid's head, and we're going to be on you. why can't we say that? we've put not the authority of the united states in a public way, and we should be. >> well, kimberly, this reminds me a little bit of the case of the guy who's in mexico who took the wrong turn, he's a marine, you know, fought for the united states, has ptsd, and the administration really, you know, wouldn't even -- >> the only one doing anything about that is greta who went down there and interviewed him and has stayed on the case. and this is such a vacuum, empty

space of no leadership. why aren't they communicating effective, strong messaging. the relate are rick -- rhetoric is really lacking here, the governor's right. that is not the message you send to criminals and oppressors and kidnappers. they will show no respect. how can you not get involved and help on behalf of school children, one of which, as you said, is a u.s. citizen? we have an obligation as a country to do something about it. and by the way, not helping our allies, our strong ally, israel. it's shameful behavior. >> well, and as the governor mentioned, we're flowing money in their direction. >> right. >> you know, if we don't start to get what we need coming across that southern border with our marine, if we don't get what we need in terms of finding those young boys, maybe we stop flowing green in one direction -- >> and that's the tie-in. we're supporting them, our tax dollars. that's why people at home should care, because your money is

being used by this government, administration to support these people, and look how they treat us in return. >> all right. we're going to move on to this next topic, and i have a question for the audience. does this bother you? several health care groups are using credit card information collected by brokers to track patients' behavior. that's according to a new report by bloomberg. those health care groups now know everything from how you eat to whether you buy cigarettes or if you've let your gym membership expire. patients and privacy advocates say it's ridiculous, an invasion of privacy of epic proportion. kirsten, i'm going to start with you on this. this is a lot of information. >> yeah. >> i guess my first question would be how do we hold them accountable, if you will, for not letting our information just seep out? >> i don't even entirely understand why they need the information. the article that i read said they are trying to determine who might end up needing health care, who might end up needing to be in a hospital because they have a heart attack because

they -- >> based on their habits. >> and i have to say i'm very skeptical that the health care companies are that worried about us, you know what i mean? i think they're driven more by other things. i mean, sandra -- >> denying care maybe. >> well, and what i would say is just assume that anytime you use your credit card information whether it's online or you're swiping it at the store down the street, assume that that credit card information and your personal information is available to the people you do not want to get ahold of that information. >> do they have to tell you that? is that somewhere discuss closed to -- disclosed to us? >> no, that's called a breach. look what we saw with target stores last fall righting before christmas -- >> nieman markus, same week. -- nieman march cuts, same week. >> this particular story is quite alarming because hospitals are using this information, and they could possibly use it as means to intervene to stop you

in your lifestyle because it could cause health problems later on. >> it's big brother, it is. it's a violation flat out of your privacy rights. this should not be allowed. i mean, this is by far too much government overreach, in my opinion. they shouldn't be getting involved in this, they shouldn't be having access to all of our information. people should be concerned because this is what's -- >> i think citizens ought to be demanding of congress that a law pass that allows citizens for an opt-out. that ends it because nobody's going to opt in and say, yeah, i'd love for a bunch of people to know every stinking thing i buy. >> nobody's going to want to swipe anything anywhere. >> well, and i wonder this too, you might argue this is public information that's already out there. if your gym membership lapses, somebody else knows about it. if you're buying cigarettes, there are cameras at the convenience store. it's how they could use it, like

canceling your -- >> but it's the compilation of the data. it's the assimilation of the data -- >> and the ease of access. >> that makes it totally different. and i think people have a right to privacy, and i don't think it's anybody's business to look into that level without me knowing that they want to and me saying, yeah, i want you to offer me some great deal, you know, on snickers bars because i haven't been buying enough lately. >> if you're buying something in a store, you're assuming the people who know you're buying it are right around you. you're not assuming you're monotod. >> really? i do. there are cameras everywhere. [laughter] >> paranoid over here. >> yes, exactly. >> i mean, it's not actually being -- no one's compiling that information. >> last question for this because this comes into where privacy starts and ends. so you're having a conversation with your doctor, right? patient/doctor confidentiality, does the doctor then go and compile this right back into that same vat of information? i mean, that's really carry. >> under hipaa, he can't. he can't share that information.

so that's the one protection you have as a consumer, as a patient, that the doctor can't do that and health providers can't do it. the fact that consumer groups can, it's still uncomfortable. >> big brother's getting bigger. >> checking us out. >> all right. this could be one nation's most important day in decades. why ukraine's new president says it is the biggest day his country has seen since it gained independence from the soviet union, and we're watching. and men and women ever just be friends? one hollywood actor says -- boy, you know they've got to be the expert on just about everything -- >> yeah, right. >> says, no way, men and women can't be friends. why not? do you agree? ♪ ♪ okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu.

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♪ ♪ >> men and women -- can men and women ever just be friends apparently not according to daniel ratcliff. while promoting his new movie about friends falling in love, ratcliff saying men and women are never really just friends adding, quote: i definitely think the idea of friend zone is just men going this woman won't have sex with me. he also says you would never hear a girl say they were in the friend zone. so is there always some sexual tension in friendships between men and women? >> yeah. [laughter] >> really, kirsten? yes, i'm going to agree with this. >> you are? >> i'm going to go out on a limb and say men and women if they are friends -- kimberly's looking at me, about to crack up. because i truly think that when men and women or friends, there's always that hope, that chance -- particularly in the bay's mind -- that he could,

this could bloom into something else. >> oh. >> i do believe that, governor. >> no. come on. you're telling me that every time that a guy just has a true friendship with a woman, that he's in the back of his mind thinking i'd like to bed her down? >> am i wrong? >> you're wrong. [laughter] >> jeez, governor, we don't play by -- >> you're wrong. but that insults me as a male. >> because you have female friends? >> of course i have female friends. >> okay. >> you're not attracted to each other? kimberly, you are our resident expert -- [laughter] >> on attraction, yes. >> for relationship advice? >> send that e-mail. [laughter] >> yeah. what do i think? i think, look, i -- >> you agree with me. >> i really love men, and i like 'em to love me back, the available ones. how about that? no, i think there is natural chemistry between men and women. they feel it. i don't know. >> this is the way i would pose this question to kimberly -- >> yes, go ahead.

>> do you have any male friends that you think don't in the back of their mind think that one day i could have kimberly? >> one. governor huckabee. [laughter] >> there are more. there are many, look, i know men are basically dogs -- >> oh, no! >> but i think that is selling men way short. i think there are a lot of men who have relationships maybe with a wife or perhaps a girlfriend, they are happy with that relationship -- >> that's true. >> they can respect women, they can enjoy women, and they're not thinking of every female as a sexual partner. >> that's why kimberly is not -- i mean, obviously, kimberly, all the guys love kimberly -- >> some of the women too. [laughter] >> they could be friends with somebody they're not attracted to, right? >> that's a different question. >> yeah, i think so too, kirsten. here's what i think. if a person has an attraction, then maybe they can't be just friends displflt right. >> but i don't think you're naturally attracted to every

person of the opposite gender, you know? i just don't think -- >> that makes life really busy. >> can i plus quote tucker carlson, and i don't know why this stuck with me, i am equally educated as is the guy when he sits on this sofa. tucker carlson said you just don't want to know what guys think because you would never talk to us again. >> when i was 16, yes. but i'm not sure you don't grow up and mature a little bit, do you not? >> exactly. >> i think whether the attraction is coming from the man or the woman, i think the reason people like to be together is because they like each other's company, and there is naturally come chemistry always -- some chemistry always. this is going to get the ladies riled up. girls like a little drama. and i would say that women like to be friends with guys who might want a little something more because they feel like they're getting attention -- >> oh, i disagree. >> i know -- [inaudible conversations] >> you must have --

>> no drama ma mama. >> you must have counseled some couples. what would you tell them about premarital what hoo? [laughter] >> how much time have you got? >> what was your advice? >> i think young people should focus on a marital relationshipthat's what we're talking about. but i do think it's quite possible for people to have true friendships with people of the opposite gender, and they enjoy their company, their intellectual capacity. i don't think everybody is sexually atrcted and that -- attracted and that it's all about where can i take it from here? i just don't think that's true. >> governor, i love you and respect you, but i think you're wrong. >> walk in my lube tons for one day. [inaudible conversations] [laughter] >> on to a more serious topic,

the only suspect arrested this the deadly terror attack in benghazi set to arrive in the united states any day now. what to expect when he gets here. also, catholic school parents in one city petition their archdiocese to do away with a controversial curriculum in public schools. the response they got from the top catholic in town that shocked them. ♪ ♪ ugh. heartburn.

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>> and more "outnumbered" in just a moment. first, though, let's go to jon scott with what's coming up in the second hour of "happening now." jon: we're up in 12 minutes with this, harris: a key suspect in the benghazi terror attack set to arrive in the u.s. perhaps this weekend, the only suspect arrested in that assault so far.

we'll have a live report. iraq continues to deteriorate, terrorists from isis taking over another town near baghdad as u.s. advisers continue to arrive. meantime, armed u.s. drones apparently are flying over baghdad. we're also hearing of growing reports of religious executions. and there is a verdict in that disturbing murder case in new hampshire that "happening now" has been following. seth hozalia accused of first-degree murder in the death of a 19-year-old college student, the verdict expected at the top of the hour. we'll have it, "happening now." >> we'll see you then, jon, thank you. jon: see ya, harris. >> i may be outnumbered, but now it's my turn with this story. parents in milwaukee are petitioning against catholic schools arguing if they wanted a public school curriculum, they would have sent their kids to one, but now they're shocked by the response they got from the milwaukee archbishop. he wrote: catholic schools

operate in milwaukee under my direction, period. common core standards are just one of the many ways we measure the success of our students. our time and energy would be better spent promoting our catholic schools instead of creating division on the front page of our local newspaper, especially a division that has no basis in fact and simply distorts reality. it's good to be the archbishop. you can say what you want, and nobody can fire you except the pope. >> what a good point. >> that's a great point. it's one of the, i guess, most secure jobs in the world. as long as the pope's happy with you, you've got it made. common core has become one of the most controversial education issues in my lifetime. but there is an enormous amount of misinformation about common core. what common core was created to be and what it has become, 180 degrees different. >> how so? >> tell us about that. >> all right? because common core originated out of the achieve moment in the '90s. when i was governor john

endingler, tommy thompson, a lot of conservative governors said we don't want our schools to lack standards. they need to have high standards, not low standards. and if a kid moves from oregon to georgia, how do we know if he's a year ahead or two behind? we don't know. so the idea was let the states control it. the states would establish the standards, they would own it. what it has now just morphed into is that the federal government is having a lot more input. that's what people hate about it. it originally had nothing to do with curriculum -- >> why do you think that's happened? >> well, in part because the federal government loves to be able to overmanage things. >> yeah. >> and do you see this as becoming a problem for candidates maybe on down the road? i've heard jeb bush wants to run, formerly of florida, he's been a proponent on the record very loud about common core, that it could hurt him. >> well, you know, it might. i think the point is i would say to any of my conservative friends i don't support what

common core's become. but let's not sacrifice high standards. because that's when we sort of fail our conservative message. we want education to be a good investment of taxpayer dollars, not a, well, say it however you want to, with other not going to measure anything and find out whether it's working or not. >> so not have the federal government involved? >> states. no, i would not let the federal government get involved. there's nothing institutional -- >> should be state-based, no t government octobers pussing once -- octopussing once again in a bad way. i agree with you, that's why children are trying to choose alternative options. good for them for being involved and investigating and seeing what the curriculum is and deciding and making a choice about their child's education. and then we have also some of these schools that have been indoctrinating which is, i think, out of line as well. but, yes, get the standards. you want excellence in

academics, you want teachers that are being evaluated. you don't want people that aren't teaching children -- >> well, as if the catholic school program wasn't struggling enough, here they're having these additional mandate cans, and parents saying, wait, we chose to send our kid to private school, and now it's not exactly what they signed up for. >> and i do think that's a huge problem for them. but let's not lose sight of high standards, measuring and accountability for those -- >> in all schools, right? >> all schools. >> governor, i have to say, and you and i have first graders, going into second grade, kimberly and i do, thank you for explaining it because i've been saying for weeks on the couch that nobody has explained it to where, you know, it just made common sense sense. >> thank you. >> thank god for the governor. >> speaking of things that don't make sense, toronto's crack-smoking may your, rob ford -- [laughter] >> work it out. >> a recent poll puts him in the race for mayor in a very special place. we'll tell you about it, and that's even before he finishes

his rehab. >> ♪ ♪

now for the heavy lifting segment. toronto's crack- smoking mayor rob ford expected back on the job next week and doing pretty

well. he's dow back from rehab for drugs and rehab. he is in second place and only seven points pehind the front runner. this is incredible. it is may like 3 or 4 shy. >> i think he could get reelected. what does it say that when people believe a person on crack might be the person best able to lead their government. >> they are in canada. he has a youtube channel and i watched clips this morning so i would to speed on his plattomorrow. he talked about over roaching government and he's got a platform and politics and policy go for him. if he can do this well on

popularity can you imagine what he could do. >> he's been doing a good job. imagine if he focused the whole time. >> before the crack. >> and it begs a question. if a person is able to do a job and doing drugs, should it matter? >> yes, if it is illegal. >> and a lot of people are. >> i guess that is the problem if you are in a government position. plenty of people on wall street do drugs. >> i don't know if it is current. but i am defensive of that. governor huckabee, do you think they would be this tolerant of this in the united states? >> we have been. you have a lot of people doing crazy things in government. >> people want to stick around and be entertained. >> i wish some would get on crack they would not do as much damage. >> we'll so you back here on

monday. happening now starts right now. good to have you governor. >> we are awaiting the verdict in the disturbing murder trial in new hampshire. a cowed of first-degree murder in the death of a 19 year old college student. the defense said it was a rough sex accident. prosecutor said the tone was killed when she renowsed to join him in sex. when we have the verdict we'll bring it to you. right now three developing stories we are watching this hour. the u.s. military is flying armed drones over iraq. and we'll get bo that. and two major newspapers with different opinions on obama care. one said it is work other and the other say it is hurting our economy. >> and the notion that e-mls