women think and we're going to devote the whole mail segment to that tomorrow. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember, the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, new fallout from two supreme court rulings, the latest in a series of setbacks was described as "the worst ten days of any modern presidency." but first a world exclusive. i'm megyn kelly. first a special report tonight. professor bill ayers admits to terrorizing this country, bombing buildings and committing other crimes during the 1970s. and he got away scott free. because this is america, he wound up as a college professor,

who even helped a president launch his political career. over the years mr. ayers managed to redefine himself, not as a terrorist but as a revolutionary, a kid who merely vandalized, not one who inspired murder. he is a man who took chances with other people's lives and took every chance to dodge the tough questions until tonight. >> barack obama and domestic terrorist bill ayers, friends. they've worked to the for years but obama tries to hide it. why? he was one of the most controversial figures of barack obama's 2008 presidential campaign. >> our opponent is someone who sees america as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who targeted their own country. >> the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago

when i was 8 years old somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense. >> a man everyone wanted to talk to but whose silence was deafening. >> what's your relationship with barack obama? mr. ayers? >> bill ayers, friend of the man who would be president and an unrepent ent terrorist, whose group bombed america over and over again. >> we figured out how to use guns and how to use bombs. some people felt literally the biggest, the best we could make, the better. that is, whatever it cost, whatever destructive kinds of activity we could do against the u.s. government, the better. >> the son of a prominent illinois businessman, ayers came of age in the 1960s, drawn to the civil disobedience of the day and deeply offended by the vietnam war. >> we will build a revolutionary

youth when we're capable of fighting against the imperialists. >> in 1965 at age 20, he joined the sds, students for a democratic society. in late '69 they held protests in chicago, full of rage about the war, race relations and the wealthy. >> last night they armed themselves were sticks and chains and rocks and surged through the streets on chicago's north side to carry the fight to the enemy, the rich. >> six people were shot, dozens more arrested. later that year, a seminole moment. black panther leader fred hampton was shot and killed by chicago police. out of that moment the group the weathermen was born, a radical spinoff from sds. its mission -- the violent

overthrow of the u.s. government. >> hello. i'm going to read a declaration of a state of war. >> shortly thereafter a san francisco police station is bombed and an officer killed. police later say the weathermen did it. next comes the bombing of a new york judge's home. the group then plots to blomb a military dance but their explosives go off too soon and bring down a townhouse. had the explosives detonated, they would have leveled everything on both sides of the street. three members of the weathermen are killed in that blast, including ayers' girl friend, identified by a single remaining finger. the weathermen go into hiding and change their name to the weather underground. still, the attacks continue. >> now we are everywhere and next week families and tribes will attack the enemy around the country. we are not just attacking

targets, we are bringing a pitiful, helpless giant to its knees. >> soon the group takes credit for more bombings, ayers believed to be personally involved in at least three of them, the bombing of the u.s. capitol in '79, the bombing of the pentagon in 1972. around this time ayers falls in love with fellow weatherman leader bernadine dorn. ayers and dorn don't surrender until 1980. >> bernadine dorn surrendered today in chicago. >> they only resurfaced because they had learned the most serious charges had been dropped due to government misconduct in the investigation, an incredible stroke of luck for the pair. within a year their former weathermen comrades were at it again, this time robbing a brinks truck in a crime that left three people dead.

ayers in dorn settle in chicago and later go on to befriend barack obama. when their friend becomes a presidential candidate, ayers stays mostly quiet but emerges soon after the election founding far from remorseful. >> i've been quoted again and again as saying i don't regret it and frankly -- and saying i don't think we did enough and i don't think we did enough. >> and now for the first time ever, bill ayers walks into the fox news headquarters to face tough questions about his past and his future. >> so we have to talk about you and your domestic terrorist past. let's start with this, let's start with this. how many bombings are you responsible for? >> the underground i think took credit for slightly over 20 in a period when there were 20,000 bombings in the united states against the war. >> and how about you personally.

>> me personally, i've never talked about it, never will. >> okay. you could have hurt some people. >> absolutely. >> you acknowledge that. >> absolutely. >> you claim you never did but you acknowledge the risks. >> there was a terrible risk and we did hurt three of our own people died in the townhouse in new york city in 1970 and that was an incalculable, horrible, devastating loss and yet what they apparently planning to do would have been more devastating. so it's a tragedy personally to us and to me but, yeah -- >> we'll get to that in a minute. that was a nail bomb they were putting to the. the weather underground began in 1969 with protests -- >> 1970. >> okay. over the vietnam war. but it became more and more militant as the years passed, the early 70s. in 1970 you declared a state of war against the u.s. government and urged your comrades, as you called them, to be more violent. here is fellow weatherman mark rudd and your now-wife bernadine

dorn. >> we challenge each other to be more violent. >> there's no way to be committed to nonviolence in the middle of the most violent society that history's ever created. i'm not committed to nonviolence in any way. >> why was more violence the answer? >> i wouldn't argue that more violence was the answer but do i think -- >> but those are your people. >> what she said is "i'm not committed to nonviolence." >> merck rudd wark rudd was in . >> he was part of the sds. >> but you were upping the rhetoric as well. >> our rhetoric was outstripped. i was arrested opposing the war in vietnam in 1965. over the next five years -- overs next three years, five years, i was arrested many times in demonstration, in militant actions, sitting in at draft boards, all of it as an attempt to bring a screaming warning that we were killing 6,000 people a week. and when the war dragged on after 1968 when a majority of

people had come to oppose the war largely through the efforts of people like martin luther king, the black freedom movement, vets coming homg ae a telling the truth, those things came together and a majority opposed the war. then the question was how do we stop it if it won't stop? this was a crisis for democracy and a crisis for the anti-war movement. in my own family, one of my brothers went to canada, deserted the army and i think he's a war hero for doing that. one my brothers went to the c e communes. >> you think bowe bergdahl is a hero, too. >> if he deserted, he is a war hero, but nobody knows if he did or didn't. we should build monuments to the deserters, who look at the craziness and say i'm not part

of this. >> i hear the comments from bernadine dorn and mash rudd and so on. as you and your group were calling for more violence, what we saw in february of 1970, february 16, san francisco police officer brian mcdonald, a 44-year-old father of two and husband was killed when a bomb went off at his police station and eight other police officers were injured in that blast. now, your wife, bernadine dorn, has been accused of that crime. do you deny it? >> absolutely nothing to do with it. this is one of the things that keeps recycling. >> let me tell them how it does. larry congratulatewell infiltrated the weather underground. he claimed you visited him in 1970 and claimed she had to do it herself, that bombing, because others weren't active enough in committing violence. the san francisco police union recently accused the weather underground of this murder. >> completelies.

larry was in sds -- >> sds was the precursor to the underground. >> it was the student movement. >> larry was lying and they doesn't know what they're talking about. >> bernadine dorn wasn't a fan of the police and referred to them typically as pig zplps sisters and brother, a year ago we blew away the haymarket pig statue at the start of the youth ride in chicago. the head of the police sergeant association called emotionally for all-out war between the pigs and us. we accepted it. last night we destroyed the pig again. it's two and a half weeks since fred hampton was murdered by the pigs who own this city. >> that was the rhetoric of the time. the black panthers did that, we did that. yes. >> what sort of rhetoric is what captures people's attention when she calling them pigs and celebrating bad things happening to the police and you allegedly

told larry gratwall that she did it. >> it's not true. look at today, the police are a violent, out of control enterprise in chicago today. the shooting of unarmed people again and again, the stopping of people on the street, the endless arrest. >> do you refer to them as pigs? >> no, i don't. >> does bernadine sm. >> no, not really. we hang out with them at the coffee shop and disagree with them. when you look at the chicago police department, which has been involved in torture, which has freed people off death row in the last five years because of a systematic practice of torture and forced confessions and so on and these police officers are -- every one of them isn't guilty but every one of them is part of the conspiracy of silence, absolutely. >> five days after that san francisco bombing that took the life of officer brian mcdonald, the weather underground bombed john murtaugh's home.

>> that's not true. >> he was a trial judge hearing a case and your group objected -- >> well, supporting the panther 21, no question. >> his home got firebombed hereby had a 9-year-old boy named john, who has been very public about this bombing. in your book with bernadine you say stols and i'm quoting now "two weeks before the townhouse explosion, a different bomb, four members of this group had firebombed judge mur taug's house in new york as an effort to support the panther 21, whose trial was just beginning. within that group, however, the feeling developed that because this action had not done anything to hurt the pigs materially, it wasn't very important. >> i didn't write that. >> it's in your book. >> which book? >> it's your book with bernadine. it's from one of your kuhn k communiques. >> it's not my communique.

it's think it's an autonomous group. >> no, no. and kathy wilkinson further offered her own recitation and she says the weather underground perpetrated that crime. >> she wasn't telling the truth either? >> i don't think so. >> john murtaugh believes you perpetrated the trial and he's been on fox news several times. >> you're a 9-year-old little boy asleep in your head and what happens? early. >> in the morning on washington's birthday, four bombs went off, two in the front of the house. there were two in the front that went off. they were bombs they placed under the gas tank of our car and the back of the house. the first two went off. the notion that bill ayers and bill underground were about property damage, to make it sound like they were egging cars on saturday night is absurd. as far as i'm concerned, every one of them have blood dripping

from their hands. >> not true. it was always property damage in our activities, always. it's just not true. >> do you deny terry robbins was responsible for that bombing? you two were very close. >> we were very close. i have no idea if he was but he's gone and -- >> he's one of the guys who blew himself up? >> that's right. >> one of the things that's interesting about activities of four years ago, i don't think it's bad to understand them. >> and you've written about them. >> i've written about them, absolutely. but i think it would be fair and balanced to also look at the violence that was and is going on perpetrated by the government, by the official agencies and organs of the government. >> let me tell you when i hear when you're saying that, you hear you say, you sound like with respect osama bin laden. in order toe val wait my actions which have hurt a lot of people, i know you deny it but there's

evidence the weather underground was involved in this -- >> when he says you have blood on your hands -- >> he's talking about the san francisco police officer. >> but we had nothing to do with the san francisco -- >> that's what you claim. >> that's exactly what i claim. >> there is evidence to the contrary. >> if there's evidence to the contrary, why weren't we put on trial. >> there's evidence of the brinks car -- there's evidence of it. there was a former member of the underground who came out and said this is murder. you guys got to the point where you considered murder. you acknowledged that yourself. it got to the point where property damage wasn't good enough for you. >> still ahead, bill ayers reacts to the evidence that his group went way beyond vandalism, including the accusations from members of latte or au lait? sunny or bubbly? cozy or cool? "meow" or "woof"?

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back now to my exclusive interview with bill ayers and

his claims that he dispute his group went way past vandalism. >> it got to the point where you thousand about murder, property damage wasn't good enough of you. you planned to bomb a military dance. with a nail bomb of a military dance you were going to bomb years later. >> terry more than probably anyone else represented the view that it was too late for any kind of reconciliation inside this country and that the best that we could do was to bring about a catastrophic series of actions. >> they had decided to set off the bomb at a noncommissioned officer's dance at fort dits, the idea being that there are no innocent in this war of

aggression. >> what we wanted to do here was deliver the most horrific hit the united states had ever suffered on its territory. >> yes, what i said was exactly right, that terry had decided that it had to go further and thank goodness it didn't, which i also said at the same moment. >> you understand, professor, that what began for your group as outrage over mass killings then turned into a plan to kill hundreds of americans. did you not seed the -- >> absolutely. that was true for a few people and it one of the things we split on. i write about it extensively in "fugitive days," and i don't defend it. >> as i hear you are sitting here, you don't sound remorseful. >> you want me to be remorseful for something i didn't do -- >> this is your group, mr.

ayers. >> that is not true. we criticized it then and now. >> the only reason it didn't happen is because the bomb blew up on those who were making it. >> right. >> and when it blew up, your girl friend was killed and you later described her death as valiant. >> i later described an imagery -- nobody knows what happened. but what i imagine in fugitive days is her trying to stop that horrendous event from taking place. so that's how i describe it. and i describe it -- i don't say that she was valiant. i don't say that. >> you describe her death as valiant. >> no, i talk about her trying to stop -- >> that's your imagination. how do you know she was against that bomb? she was in the townhouse when it exploded. >> i don't know. and you don't know, no one knows. the idea this is the moral equivalent of 6,000 people a

week being killed strikes me as nuts. we were destroying property but in the course of discussion, some people thought we should go much further. >> some critics say when you make that argument, you sound like adolph hitler. this is a man who was part of the weather underground talking about you, saying you were closer to hitler than you were to gandhi. listen. >> they brought themselves -- they were not brought, they brought themselves to that point. >> to what point? >> to the point at which they were ready to be mass murderers. this is mass murder we're talking about. they came to this conclusion, which is the conclusion that was come to by all the great kill s killers, whether hitler or stalin or mao, that they have a grand project for the transformation and purification of the world. and in the face of that project, ordinary life is dispensable.

>> that's todd gitlin. he was not a member of the underground. that quote to me is nuts. you want to talk of who is in the grand tradition of destroying thousands of people? it's the war of vietnam where john mccain was dropping bombs on civilians. >> and when the weather underground went into a townhouse and put together a bomb with nails in it and allegedly killed a police officer and bombed a nudge with a 9-year-old boy in his bed -- >> if there was evidence, why isn't anyone on trial? >> it doesn't mean they can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> that's not true. and judge mur taug is not true. he has his opinion but nobody was hurt or killed.

the townhouse was a terrible, terrible deviation -- >> a communication issued by the weather underground claims credit for the home bombing. you've made that point. you made that point. that's back to the ends justify the means. >> is that not the slippery slope towards mao and hitler and -- >> that's back to the ends justify the means. >> no, it not. unless you're saying the united states is saying the end justifies the means -- >> you got to the point where you had to go underground. >> we decided to go underground. we didn't have to. >> while underground you stole, you lied, you hid -- >> on ward. >> you stole? >> yes. >> you stole purses, money. >> you ripped off dead babies' identities? >> right. >> the violence continued. just because you went underground doesn't mean the

violence stopped. >> what violence? >> the new york city police department. may 19, 1972 you bombed the pentagon, january 29, 1975, you bombed the state department. that's what i mean by violence. >> that's actually destruction of property. you can call it violence but to equate it to the murder of human beings is nonsense. >> you realize people could have been hurt. >> and thank god they weren't. >> do you appreciate the recklessness of that? who are you to potentially endangers of lives of people in and around those buildings. >> i don't say it wasn't dangerous. we crossed lines of legality. >> you could have murdered somebody with those bombs. >> and we didn't. the people conducting the war in vietnam did actually murder people. >> so the answer is to then --

>> you're answering a question with a question. >> you account for your reporting. >> this is all from your book, sir. you keep dodging the government and not taking responsibility. >> i've said it given and again and i said it in front what i'm responsible for and what i'm not responsible for. it hard to get me to admit i'm responsible for something i didn't do. >> you did these bombings. >> the weather underground did that -- >> and i wouldn't not apologize for destroying property in defense of stopping 6,000 people a week from being murdered. >> as soon as it crosses over to somebody being injured -- >> i think that would have been a real problem. >> you heard bill ayers deny

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. we just heard bill ayers, leader of the radical group the weather underground and you heard him defend against allegations that one of his group's targets was the family of judge murtaugh. judge murtaugh was presiding over an infamous black panther conspiracy case and the weather underground was siding with the black panthers.

four bombs went off at the murtaugh home but they saw the writing in blood. >> the denial is not true. >> did this guy terry robbins do it? i don't know who did. it was a nondenial denial. >> megyn, bill ayers sounded a little bit tonight like the irs officials. anything that bad that happened, it want his fault. every other person written on this, other members of the underground or independent journalists like ron jacobs, who wrote a book on the weather underground all verify it was the weather underground that

firebombed my home, it was the weather underground that killed officer mcdonald out in san francisco when shrapnel tore through his neck, it was the weather underground that killed waverly jones and peter page and ed o'grady in rockland county. tomorrow.to that in part two of >> i mention those names because those are the names we talk about. >> when i talked to my team about this, we were asking ourselves do we want to give a platform to bill ayers? the thing is i had yet to see him held to account on the specifics for what his group did. >> you're right. he's bobbed and weaved about that for years. it's unfortunate he wouldn't man

up. i'd give him more credit if he stood up and said i believe the way to justice was to attack judge murtaugh's family and to gun down two innocent police officers on the side of the thru-way. >> and right after the bombs at your house, they started making another bomb. one of the bombs at your house rolled under the car of a neighbor. >> they created a car bomb. >> if you read kathy wilkinson's book only published in 2007, she specifically said they were disappointed they department cause more injury when they firebombed my house. >> it's very specific. it's here in black and white. she says they did it.

>> not only did they do it but they were disappointed with the outcome, they didn't cause enough injury. >> you heard him say no one got hurt, no one got hurt at your house. is that true? >> we can talk about emotional injury, psychological injury. >> i read a very personal piece you wrote about you and the effect it had on your family. >> physically nobody was hurt. three bottles of gasoline and rags in front of the house, and under the family car, which a neighbor courageously managed to douse before it exploded. my family, frankly, did not suffer the way officer o'grady's family or officer brown's family or guard page's family suffered in rockland county. we didn't suffer like the mcdonald family, to know their husband literally was almost

ripped in two when shrapnel went through his neck, a crime that has been tied to bernadine dorn. ayers should have the courage of his convince. if he believed the country is that bad a place and he was so convinced it have he was willing to attack a 9-year-old child asleep in his bed, well, then come right out and say that and be a man about it. don't now bob and weave and say it want me, maybe my friends did that. >> and he was all over the board. tomorrow night i confront him about that brinks armored car robbery and the murder of those three law enforcement officers. john murtaugh, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> later this hour, we will talk more about what he says about the president. but up

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scholar. if he was, he's forgotten what he's known. he has pressed on this supreme court arguments abouts relationship of the presidency to the congress and arguments about the relationship of the congress to individuals, which have been profoundly rejected. >> josh, let me ask you. in the case of hobby lobby, it's an evangelical company, they did not want to pay for these particular drugs, they paid for 16 others but did not want to pay for these four. in response the left has come out, national organization for women, the court has lent its way to the radical right's war on women, talking about how now they want to take away birth control coverage from millions of women. >> not at all true. as a matter of fact, hobby lobby already provides and pays for -- covers 16 you out of the 20 forms of contraception that are legally available in this country, megyn. as today's decision makes clear, the government has ample alternative means to make the four forms of contraception in

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>> republicans want to do everything they can to have the long hand of government and now the long hand of business reach into a woman's body and make health care decisions for her. >> that sounds painful. that was just some of the reaction after the supreme court said it was okay for a family run corporation to say, because of religious beliefs they don't want to pay for a small group of drugs that cause the determine ination of a fertilized egg. they called it a first amendment victory. they went to the war on women claim and that's where carly fee or ina comes in. >> it is liberal who believes that some know better than others what is good for you. we respect all women. and we do not insult them by thinking that all they care about is reproductive rights. all issues are women's issues. >> carry, chairman of unlooking potential project and chairman and ceo of hewlett-packard joins

me now. carly, great to see you. >> nice to be with you, kelly. >> here we go again. >> here we go again, wow. i found that reaction just stunning. first of all, it's a wonderful day for religious liberty in this country. how sad it was only 5-4. a little scary. but then the way the democrats reacted in those clips you showed, it's amazing f anyone doubts they're going to the war on women playbook, every single time -- >> just because -- just because you're disagreeing tonight as a legal matter, they'll say we're part of it. you can be part of the war on women if you are a woman. >> well, yes. and that is why we have to combat this with the facts which is part of what unlocking potential is all about. women are half of this great nation. we are 53% of the voters. point one, we're not single

issue voters. we care about every issue. every issue is a woman's issue. we balance the check books, we make the health care decisions, we made the education decisions, we worry about our own jobs, our husband's jobs. >> you mean not just our ovaries? it's not all about our ovaries? >> no. by the way, we don't have an orthodoxy that we all agree on everything. but beyond that, we have to combat that with facts. the facts are always on our side. for those democratic women to say this is an assault on our ability to intervene between us and our doctors is a lie. >> why can't they just be honest? why can't they just be honest and say, look, this is why it's bad. a lot of women rely on the iud. and now they won't be able to get coverage of that if they can't afford it out of pocket. we could have an honest debate about it. they set up straw men that try to demonize half the country and divide women, divide women and that shuts down effective debate. >> that's right. this is propaganda. this is not political debate.

political debate should be based on mutual respect and facts. >> so what is your group going to do? >> what we're going to do is first of all we know that ground games are exceptionally important. in the last presidential election as an example of this in ohio, for example, obama had 131 field offices and romney had 40. it matters how many people you have on the ground. so in six states, virginia, north carolina, new hampshire, michigan, colorado, iowa, six purple states, we're going to be training women, galvanizing them, getting them out into the communities in which they live and work to talk to republican leaning and independent women and say let us understand why conservative principles are better for everyone, including women. >> if you -- the republicans are against contraception over and over again, you're misled. >> but what we do know, for example, is conservative processes and principles lift people out of poverty. >> the group is called unlocking potential, carly, great to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back. due to menopausal changes. the problem isn't likely to go away...

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how close was tow obama? have they spoken since mr. obama became president and what would it cause them to bomb america again? i'm megan kelly, this is "the kelly file." >> welcome to "hannity" this is a fox news alert. the supreme court of the united states delivered a major blow to president obama's health care law today in a major victory for religious freedom. in a 5-4 decision, the justices ruled in favor of the hobby lobby craft chain saying that closely held corporations can in fact opt out of the obamacare contraception mandate due to religious objections. the decision marks the first time the supreme court ruled that profit seeking businesses can in fact hold religious views under federal law. fox's own shannon breen is in washington tonight with the details. shannon? >> sean in, that opinion, the supreme court sided with the religious family owners of two for profit corporations, holding that the religious freedom restoration act protects them