to the factor. again, thanks for watching us tonight. megan is next, i'm bill o'reilly, please remember, the spin stops here. we're looking out for you. breaking tonight the white house appears on a collision course with the courts and with congress, leading to talk of a constitutional crisis. good evening, everyone and welcome to "the kelly file" i'm megyn kelly. in moments we'll talk about that developing story. but first, reaction coming from law enforcement across the country after part one of our exclusive interview with bill ayers. the vietnam-era radical admits to terrorizing this country and committing many crimes. we'll be joined by three men who investigated bill ayers and his group, the weather underground for a lengthy list of crimes.

remember, bill ayers got way scot-free and went on to become a early supporter of president obama. that is where the story begins. it was in his living room that a then unknown barack obama launched his political career a domestic terrorist who avoided real jail time and isn't sorry for bombing america, bill ayers admits his group bombed 20 targets, including pentagon, u.s. capitol and state department to protest the vietnam war and other left-wing causes of the 70s, his wife was a fully-committed participant. a woman said to have praised charles manson, who wound up on the fbi most-wanted list. >> next week, families and tribes will attack the enemy around the country. we're not just attacking targets. we're putting a pitiful giant to

his knees. >> ayers and his co horts upped the rhetoric and it turned murderous. >> we want to deliver the most horrific hit the united states government had ever suffered on its territories we wanted to light it up. our slogan is bring the war home. we wanted to give the united states and the rest of the world a sense this country was going to be unlivable. if the united states continued in vietnam. >> in 1970, 3 of ayers comrades prepared a nail bomb, intended to execute military families in a dance in new jersey the explosives went out prematurely and his friends were killed in the blast. >> his weather people were

intending to kill people. it was very, very high pressure. >> by 1981 their former weatherman colleagues were at it again, robbing a brinks truck, killing two police officers and a security guard. their goal? to steal $1 million. all in the name of redistributing wealth. ayes and dorn remain close to the killers to this day, refusing to help prosecutors investigate the crime. ayers and dorn might also be in jail but the fbi broke the law pursuing them when z.no convick was brought the now college professor kept silence for a time, and six years later walked into the fox news head quarters and sat down with "the kelly file". part one of our interview aired last night. >> how many bombings are you

responsible for? >> weather underground slightly over for 20 >> what we saw in february, 1970, was san francisco police officer brian mcdonnell. a 4-year-old father of two, husband killed. when a bomb went off in his police station. and eight other police officers were injured in that blast. your wife has been accused of the crime. do you deny it? >> absolutely. nothing to do with it. >> bernadine wasn't fond of the police officers. referring to them as "pigs". >> five days after that bombing the weather underground bombed john murta's home. >> it's not true >> not true? you quote the weather underground communication, saying as follows i'm quoting now two weeks before the town house explosion two members of the group fire bombed judge

murta's home to support panther 21. >> i didn't write that. >> which book? >> it's in your book from one of your communications it got to the point where this property damage wasn't good enough for you. and you decided on mass murder, planning to bomb a military dam. what began as outrage over mass killings turned into a plan to kill hundreds of americans did you not see the moral hyperbole? >> it is true for a lot of people and one of the things we were split on the idea it's moral equivalent of 6,000 people a week is nuts. we destroyed property. >> your critics say you sound like adolf hitler. do you appreciate the

recklessness of that? >> i don't say it wasn't reckless and illegal. it was illegal. we crossed lines of legality. >> it's so much bigger than that, professor ayers. >> now, part two. brinks murders, obama friendship, whether ayers with bomb america again. >> in 1980 you and bernadine dorn resurfaced and promised to defeat the american empire. you say you resolved not to hurt anyone but your comrades did not get the let's be more peaceful memo i say that because kathy wilkerson, a member of the weather underground wrote after the fact, and i quote, the process by which weather leaders change from a language of glorifying violence to monthederation was invisible to almost all weather members.

certainly the aassumption of most is that a plan to build a clandestine fighting force was all steam ahead. if a plan was ahead in the west most participants did not know this. >> i don't agree with kathy. i don't know what to say about it. i mean we were a loose organization. not a dismrined organization. >> there are many communications and including after the town house, explaining. >> it said you bombed murta's when you're denying. do you take responsible for riling people up with your rhetoric and then setting them upon the american public with a commitment to violence? >> no. no. we did not set ourselves upon the american public. where did we set ourselves on the american public?

>> you were calling for more violence, kathy wilkerson talking about if there is a decision to get more peaceful waits not communicated to the troops you were the leadership. >> no. riling people, people that riled up response they got over the five years was the government itself riling us up through genocidal murder. i thought we should be more effective. >> it did sometimes >> you're using violence in a inflated way. you want these 20-year-olds to under your nuanced principles? i want to bomb property but i don't want to kill people and i trust people to follow my edicts? >> people were destroying property. again and again and again. and we should have destroyed more property. >> you, other people back then,

we hold them accountable. today i have you at the table. >> i understand, i'm saying we should have done more to stop that genocidal war, including destroys more property. absolutely. >> your argument in response to my questions about what you did to tap down the violence is we should have done more to amp it up? >> we should have done more to stop the war, being more effective on every level, including destroying more draft boards, draft files, hammering on nuclear warheads . >> i feel the audience has a feeling for where you were at this point in your mind. this is when you resurfaced from being underground within a year of that, october 20, 1981, a triple homicide. three weather underground killed two cops, edward o'grady and wafer hi brown along with a security guard, peter page. you were close with gilbert and

budine. kathy budine learned her criminal tactics in the weather underground she was in the town house, wasn't she? you adopted her child because she and her husband were going to jail. >> that is right. >> she pleaded guilty. there is no question she did it? >> absolutely z paid her, paid the price for that. it was a terrible, dreadful action. they paid the price >> you don't see her as valent? >> i don't think what she did was valiant. >> it was a different time and a different moment. >> another thing you had nothing to do with? >> absolutely not. but we did have to do with adopting their son and raising him to a wonderful person he is today. that is part of what we did. yes. >> your wife was asked to cooperate in that investigation. >> right. >> she refused

>> absolutely. >> she spent seven months in jail because she refused to speak >> she refused because she didn't want to speak to a grand jury. >> it takes you behind closed doors without the benefit of a lawyer asking you to speak to -- u.s. attorneys. if they pulled you in and said megyn we're going to talk about a bunch of stuff, bill o'reilly, if you anything to hide, tell me everybody. >> i'd say you c-- two cops are dead and i will do whatever i can to put people behind bars >> they're going to say we're going to ask you a bunch of questions. >> nine children lost their fathers that day. >> i agree with you. >> why did your wife help? >> i think it was a terrible, terrible crime. so you can't, that is not what we're disagreeing about. grand juries are a terrible

overreach of the u.s. government and should be resisted everybody who thinks about it has resisted them. they're used against monica lewinsky, you know, against many, many people. and should be resisted >>. question whether your wife felt she did in, 1970 when she seemed perfectly fine with murder she said about the charles manson murders of a pregnant woman and six others quote, offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knifes and eating a meal in the same room, far out. the weather men dig charles manson. this is your sweetheart? your soul mate? >> this is nonsense, something gets recirculated. >> do you deny she said it? >> absolutely. she said american culture is obsessed with the craziness. >> that is not how the "new york times" reported it. >> the "new york times" lie daily. are you kidding? don't they? >> they lied? it's a long list of people telling terrible lies about the

weather underground. . >> i was candid about the weather underground. you can read it in any of any books. it's not true. you don't believe that the "new york times" gets things right every time? >> even kathy wilkerson agreed bernadine dorn made this speech about charles manson. >> she said here we are murdering black panthers the news media is focused on this crazy guy that stuck a fork in someone, she was mocking it. it was reported as if she was supporting it. she doesn't support it. it's endless echo chamber that you help perpetuate. >> is it true that the weather underground had a serious discussion before it went underground, about whether they should kill all white babies as at the university of arizona professor claims . >> i remember going to the last above ground weather man, or

weather underground, the last above ground convention. and sitting in a room and the question that was debated was, was it was it or was it not the duty of every good revolutionary to kill all newborn white babies? >> because they'd join the revolution. >> there is no truth to it. it's hard to have a conversation with you. >> i'm just asking. >> no truth to it. >> okay. >> yeah. >> when you became a parent, did it soften you at all to reality of what you had done? potentially endangering other peoples' parents and children sth >> best thing that ever happened to me, becoming a parent. to soften me, i don't know what that means but it's the best thing i've ever done to raise three remarkable young men >> you wound up in chicago got a job teaching with the university of illinois do you see irony in accepting a government paycheck,

winding up? >> no. what is the irony. >> the life opposing the government regime, wanting to throw down the government. >> we live in the actual world even things we're critical of, should i not make a living? i'm asking you? >> it's fine. you know? your wife got a job teaching law, or teaching at northwestern >> successfully. >> it's amazing and they must be offering classes in what you can learn from future clients are you surprised you got those job offers? you and she? >> she was on the fbi 10-most wanted list >> i know. >> so was angela davis and a lot of great people have been on that list but the great thing, the thing is that i got my doctorate at 43 years old i interviewed at several universities. best offer was university of illinois. i took it. we moved to chicago. we had three kids

she started a center with children and families and northwestern law school wanted to be part of that. >> many members of the weather under ground are now in academia. and president obama how much ideology do you share? >> none. >> i wish he'd listen to me. >> did he ever contact you once you became a story in his presidential race? >> absolutely not. >> the entire time he's been president, he hasn't been in contact? >> i wish i were. very a lot of advice for him. >> you want him to go to the left? >> i want him to stop droning people and close i want him to, you know? universal health care? don't you think we deserve universal health care? seriously >> you say you can't imagine putting a bomb in a building today but can't imagine dismissing that either. what would it take to make you

bomb this country again? >> what i'm saying is that it seems to long ago. what i'm saying in that passage is that it seems so long ago, so far away. like another world. on the other hand, as violent and nuts as we can be as a country, i can't say no, boy never, ever rise up in opposition in a very militant and serious way. i can't say i won't. i doubt it. i'm 70 years old. it's unlikely. i think i wanted to say there what bernadine said on tape. no. i'm in the committed to nonviolence as an ideology. these are our views because we live in the most-violent society around and commit more crimes day in and day out. oftens a matter of policy. yet, that seems perfectly fine with you. >> bill ayers, thank you for being here. >> thank you, megyn. >> after all crimes connected to weather underground and founder, why exactly are bill ayers and

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you just heard weather underground leader bill ayers deny and deflect when i pressed him about violent bombings. in the 24 hours since we ran part one of our report, we have heard from local police and federal investigators who dealt with this group, including one of the first responders to a bombing that took the life of a police officer. thanking us for shining a light on this part of his story. joining us now, warren sunny, richard janotti and william reagan. thank you all for being here. willie, let me thank you for being here, and ask you for your reaction to what you heard last night and tonight from william ayers. >> well, thank you, first of all, megyn for having me. i just heard him say, if you don't mind me putting some glasses on, that he didn't -- he

didn't know who made the statement you read. you read a part of a statement called the new dawn statement. now, that was put out in december 6th of 1970. and it was a statement made by bernadine dorn. >> this is just to bring the viewers up to speed, this is the weather underground issuing a communicay taking responsibility for bombing a man's home in which a 9-year-old was sleeping. it wasn't me, no we didn't, no, by the way, no one got hurt. take it away, willie. >> well, i guess he's just being slippery, i have no idea what the professors mind set is, but let me also read by the way, one of their heroes was a fellow named david gilbert, he's doing

life for his participation in the nyrob, in which two bank guards and a police officer were killed. february 1970, in this book that david puts his stamp to. a firebomb to the house of judge murtagh, who is presiding over the stanford 21. what they say is that everybody terrorist says he's somebody's freedom fighter. the professor has his own ideas, i don't accept them. i don't know how much you want me to get into it. >> no, i want to get your colleagues into it as well. do you believe bill ayers when he says it was all about property damage, they never got violent. the one time they almost got violent the bomb went off on the bomb makers and that was that?

>> no, they were a highly organized, very dedicated, violent group of revolutionaries that started out with some of the property damage, but as they progressed, they were getting more and more violent, using weapons, explosives, targeting people. and as willie and i worked the case, that came down, they were ready to kill a federal judge, and then they were ready to bomb the state senator in southern california. they were very, very violent, and i don't agree with what mr. ayers was saying. >> were they planning more bombs to your knowledge? more violent bombs? he basically says once the bomb went off on the bomb makers, they saw the light on violence, they never tried to hurt anybody prior to that or after that? >> that's not true, that's not true. and when we infiltrated one of the cells that had five or six of the weather people in it,

they talked specifically killing a federal judge hearing the ames trials i believe in south dakota or maybe minneapolis, and then they diverted their attention to bombing a state senator's office in southern california. >> i tried to press him on whether his own violent rhetoric, if you read the other writings of weather underground people, they talk about ayers and his rhetoric in particular, which was very violent. our rhetoric outstripped our actual actions. he refused to acknowledge that that rhetoric may have inspired things like that brinks murder and other murderous and more and more violent behavior that ayers didn't commit himself, but his people did. >> it was -- >> not only was that the case, but the weather undergrounds was an offshoot, a much more violent offshoot of the students for a democratic society. bill ayers was the founder of

that unit. his proposition was the violent overthrow of the united states of america. for whatever reasons right or wrong, that was his mission. they conspired with militant groups, such as the black panthers and the black liberation army whose soul purpose in life was to kill people, rob banks, do horrendous acts of terror, he was supported of all of them, his own group, which blew themselves up in greenwich village, i remember like it was yesterday. used anti-personnel devices, they put shrapnel, nails into this bomb, so they could bring it to ft. dix new jersey and blow up soldiers. >> inside his townhouse was liz best friend and his girlfriend. these are not people who were distant from bill ayers. willie, why corporate the case be made against these two? >> if you're talking about -- which case? >> why are they free? why didn't the fbi, why couldn't

the prosecutors prosecute them? >> there are two indications that they've taken a good look at, one was the park station case in san francisco, a lot of effort was put into that case. there were a lot of eyewitnesss that described people who bore a resemblance to people who allegedly cased the place. >> bottom line, sir, because we don't have a lot of time. bottom line it for us, why couldn't the prosecutor make a case against bernadine and bill. we were told it was fbi misconduct. >> not in the park station. what you're talking about is the detroit case. in the park station case, the production cuter made a decision not to give immunity to one of the key witnesses, they were afraid she was coming forward to admit to everything under

immunity and get her friends off. i know the woman very well, i don't agree to that at all. i truly believe that bernadine had something to do with it, ayers -- >> well, a lot of people have ideas, i want to ask you richard before you go. the reports that i read, and i read a lot said that the fbi had been investigating these folks and had illegally sur veiled them in wiretaps that were not useable in a court of law, that was not necessarily the only piece, but a major piece. >> that goes back, to i believe, even before we got into these cells, the code name of the case that willy and i were working on was the weather thug case, which was weatherman fugitive. all we were trying to do is locate them, get them arrested and get them off the streets before they could continue placing more bombs and hurting more people. i think what you're talking

about may be predisposes of. >> i have to go, but i'll ask you -- >> i have to respond to that. >> megan, could i add one thing. >> my final word is, bill ayers said he would consider perhaps doing this again today if the situation was correct. he used and his bomb makers used state of the art technology back then. he would use that state of the art technology again today. except today, he would be taking 11-year-olds and putting bomb vests on them, and sending them out to pizza rheas on malls. that's the kind of person you're dealing with here, the personality of this group. the hatred of america is astounding. >> i have to leave it at that. gentlemen, thank you. >> thank you, megyn. >> you can find our complete interview, both parts on facebook.com/the kellyfile. leave us your comment we'll share some later. you can follow me on twitter @megynkelly.

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developing tonight, new questions about whether the president is trying to force a

constitutional crisis for political gain. the question started yesterday when the president went to the rose garden to threaten that he was going to do something about immigration reform because congress would not. then today reports surfaced that the white house was considering more executive actions, right after the supreme court upheld first amendment religious rights of some business owners who were reluctant to pay for medications that would kill a fertilized egg. josh ernest came out and said, it's wrong, because the court said it so. >> we disagree and the oval office disagrees. >> that is not how this democracy works exactly. the executive branch doesn't get to say, we're going to go it alone because the legislature and the courts are inkpi ten the, it was less than a week ago that a unanimous supreme court sent the white house a very clear message. but the president went too far when he personally declared congress out of session, so he could make some recess

appointments that were very controversial. why is he back at it now? and what would the fallout be? >> joining me now for all of these angles, jonathan turley who has testified before congress on this administration's threats to the constitutional system on the professor of george washington university law school. we begin with professor turley. professor turley, i read what you say and you talk about how we are now on the brink of a constitutional crisis. this president is pushing us to the tipping point. >> in fairness to the white house, this process or this trend didn't start with president obama, but it certainly has accelerated with limb, and he has taken this to a new level, in terms of rhetoric. he has boldly embraced the concept of going it alone. the ink is barely dry where a

unanimous court left and right, found he had violated the separation of powers. i testified on those appointments, when they were made, and i thought they were, and said they were playing ran thely unconstitutional, they were not a closed question. this obviously has more of a political value than it does a legal one. but the cost to the government are very, very high, most presidents, have avoided these fights in deference to the presidents that would follow them. this administration has really shown very little restraint in litigating these issues. and losing. >> how does he compare to other presidents. every president. not every, a lot of them get a little drunk on their own power anden watt to make this -- their own presidency a very robust one. >> unfortunately, we're seeing something of a perfect storm, with the politics aligning with the motivation you just described, you're absolutely right, megan, it's something that's happened in that office

that tends to detach presidents from that original oath to uphold the constitution and to comply with these types of rules. particularly separation of powers. now you have this rather toxic political environment where this type of confrontation is popular. but, you know, it's simply not the case. and you can blame gridlock, and say, you know, because nothing's getting done, i'm going to force it to be done on my terms. that's not how it's done. you know, there's no license in our system to go it alone. you have to convince congress, and if you can't, things don't get done. this is a system of three branches, but what we're seeing, megan is this is what worries me is, the rise of an uber presidency, a presidency that can govern alone. that is exactly what the framers were afraid of. they wanted to avoid the concentration of power, not to protect the interest of the branches, but to protect individuals, to protect civil

liberty from what happens when power is concentrated. >> right. because there's supposed to be checks and balances. even on the commander in chief, as powerful as he is, especially on him. jonathan turley, great of you to be here, thanks so much. >> thanks, megyn. now, brit hume, what is the president doing here, it's not like he doesn't know what jonathan turley just said. >> he's kind of gasping for air. let's break this down a little bit. josh ernest did not say the president would not abide by the decision, he simply said the president disagreed with him. what do you expect him to say? his lawyers have just argued the other side, of course he's going to say he disagrees with it. he didn't say he would defy it, and then he said yesterday, as you pointed out, he was trying to do something about immigration reform. let's look at what he's trying to do on immigration reform. he's trying to stop this flood of illegals into the country. republicans are constantly saying, the president wants him to come in, because he believes

and his party believes they'll end up voting democratic, what he's trying to do is accelerate the deportation process of the young flood of children that come into the country illegally. that doesn't sound like the kind of thing -- the law doesn't provide for the possibility that he can do that, what's bringing these kids here, the way the law is now written, unlike kids from mexico or canada who come here illegally, they can't be immediately deported, they have to be put through a process, and the process is what keeps them in the country. he's trying to accelerate the process for their deportation. that doesn't seem to me like they're going to provoke a constitutional crisis. >> i think he got a lot of attention when he got brushed back, 13 times bring the supreme court, including two of his own appointees, and then -- rather than coming out in any sort of hat in handmaner, just staying quiet, he said, they're wrong,

they're wrong, they're wrong, and by the way, i'm going to go ahead and make more executive decisions. >> i don't disagree with one thing that jonathan turley said, what i'm talking about here, though is the limits to what he can do, and has done, the second thing is, getting into an apparent fight with the supreme court and seeming at least to defy its rulings is not a political winner. i mean, look at the situation the president is in, the mideast is on fire, we're about -- iraq is out of control. his policy on syria is a big part of the responsibility for that, that's failing. the economy shrank in the first quarter of this year, which is terrible news, the worst kind for him and his party. you look all around, vladimir putin's acting like -- you have all of this going on in the world, the conditions for him and his party are dreadful. and i think a strategy of

banging his head against a stonewall by trying to defy laws if he does that, is a loser -- >> let me ask you quickly, if he's not trying to provoke a constitutional crisis, is he just flailing about because he's so powerless, and if that is the case, is that potentially dangerous? >> i think it's potentially dangerous, i agree with that, remember, think of the difference between him and bill clinton. bill clinton went for a health care reform law that was disastrously unpopular, didn't even come to a vote. he and his party lost control of congress and the house for the first time in decades, in the next election. bill clinton took a look at that and said, i think i better change the way i do business, and he tacked to the center and the grand liberal programs. you remember the famous statement, big government was over? and all of that, this is exactly what barack obama did not do, this is exactly what he's not doing now, that is to say, he's not going to accommodate his

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the calls are getting louder for eric holder to apoint a special prosecutor to investigate the irs targeting scandal. two high ranking republicans sent him a letter demanding he

take action immediately, insists it's not only the right thing to do, but it is the law. chris steiger walt is our editor. who are the two republicans and what -- we've heard calls for a special prosecutor before, including from darrell issa earlier this week. why is it more important? >> well, i won't ruffle any feathers and say, they're more important, but this is a signal moment. fred upton who deals with taxation issues, the irs, a little oversite there. these guys are no schmos. >> dave camp. >> i'm sorry. these are serious people, they have not been out calling for everybody's impeachment or anything like that, these are measured people who are part of the process, and they're high leadership, this is them saying, you've got to do something about this. the problems with the irs are

too significant and the responsible from the administration has been inadequate, and they're not accusing them of obstructing the law, but what they're accusing them of doing is not being forthcoming and not doing what they're supposed to do, which is seek the truth. >> with the -- with benghazi, john boehner resisted and resisted and resisted having a select committee, until that one e-mail came out, that was the straw that broke the camel's back, finally he said, i give up, let's do it. is that the way the irs is likely to do? eric holder is no john boehner? no, that's fair. the -- there administration, republicans have been going broke for years, betting on their ability to shame this administration into action. this administration is unshamable when it comes to doing things about investigations, criminal wrongdoing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. i may submit this is part of an

administration strategy, which says the crazier, the angrier, the madder they can make republic republicans through an unloved entity in the irs, the worst better, they like to push the republicans, tweak them, they like to refuse, fast and furious. we remember they have been stonewalling on the irs, on several fronts, they've never had a real special prosecutor, and they don't want one. >> do they have something up their sleeve? is there going to be another shoe to drop? >> there's a couple shoes out there, the republicans in the house have a shoe, they have more details i'm told from folks on the hill, that they could use to pressure. you remember when the lois learner e-mails came out, that created a wave. there may be a few more out there that may want to get eric holder going. >> chris steigerwalt, not a schmo. >> not usually.

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what would happen, what happened at the end of the interview with bill ayers? did we shake hands? we did. he got up, we shook hands i said thank you and he walked out. whatever you think about bill ayers, i give him credit for coming on. i'm sure he realized i was not going to hit some softballs to him, nonetheless, he showed up. he and denesh desousa had a

fascinating exchange about america today. they come at it from different van damage points, what's good and what's not so good. thanks for watching, everybody, i'm megyn kelly. you can see the entire ayers interview at facebook.com. see you tomorrow. >>. >> welcome to hannity, this is the knox news alert in favor of hobby lobby and religious freedom and against the obama care contraception mandate. the white house is criticizing this decision. josh ernest told reporters that it not only jeopardizes women's health, but congress should act and try to mitigate this ruling. for the latest on the administration's reaction we turn once again to ed henry, standing by tonight at the white house. i bet there's pretty fierce reaction? >> that's right. >> the president is not backing down at all. instead today signaling he's going to double down on the go it alone strategy. dares