his back and rushed on foot to downtown manhattan where he was killed. many others who fought the terrorists who did it still need your help today. thanks for watching. i'm megyn kelly. tonight, al qaeda's back and taking over iraq. who are these militants? >> they live tweeted the heading, they took credit for crucifixions. >> what do they want? >> this is the islamic cal fant that osama bin laden was talking about. >> should americans worry? >> there is a real danger of somebody using a nuclear weapon on the united states. >> fox news reporting, iraq and the rise of a terrorist state, from washington, here's chris wallace. >> good evening. with al qaeda threatening to take over iraq with an offshoot,

america sees itself being drawn into that dangerous part of the world. the president sent military advisers to baghdad and after a long delay, he's asking congress for $500 million to set up a training program for rebels fighting in syria. tonight, we're going to look at the crisis, how we got here, what's happening on the ground, how we go forward. we'll sit down with former vice president dick cheney, talk with military tacticians, and take a look at the big picture with our expert panel. but we begin with the latest on the story that has gripped the nation and the world. >> the iraqi military is putting up a fight to retake areas overrun by isis fighters as the saudi king orders 30,000 saudi troops to guard the border with iraq. this video from tikrit shows the iraqi military on the offensive. the u.s. military has now set up a second joint operations center in kurdish erbil to the north deploying an additional 20 u.s.

troops. >> none of these troops are per forri i forming combat missions. none will perform combat mission. president obama has been clear that american combat troops will not be fighting in iraq again. >> the iraqi air force claims to have carried out 121 air raids against isis targets in the past 24 hours, whose insurgency appears to have stalled. >> they're stretched now. stretched to control what they have gained and stretched across their logistics lines of communication. >> the chairman said iraq army could protect baghdad but will need outside help to go on the offensive. chris? >> thanks for that. the situation in iraq is unpredictable, but the situation here in washington is not. accusations are flying and fingers are pointing. who's responsible for the possible loss of iraq? and among the critic, one stands out, former vice president dick cheney has launched a new offensive against barack obama

and what he calls the collapsing of obama dock trtrine. cheney writes rarely has a u.s. president been wrong about so much. let's talk about the obama doctrine and what has it led to? first, a warning, be advised some of the video you'll see tonight is very graphic. >> so help you god. >> so help me god. >> congratulations, mr. president. >> candidate obama had promised he would improve america's standing in the world. now that he was president, the world was waiting to find out how. one thing everyone did know, he had been against the iraq war from the start. >> what i do oppose is a dumb war. >> in fact, his opposition to the war was instrumental in his election victory. >> don't want to just end the war, i want to end the mind set that got us into war in the

first place. >> obama's mind set suggested he wanted america to play a smaller role on the world stage. it didn't take long for this tumbler approach to show itself. >> we want to reset our relationship. >> march 2009, secretary of state hillary clinton presents russia's foreign minister with a reset button. met fhtaphorically wiping away that had come before. but what of the middle east? the president himself gave an indication of where he was going in cairo that june. he reached out to the muslim world, acknowledging america's and the west's past errors. >> tension has been fed by colonialism, the denied rights and opportunities to many muslims. and a cold war, in which muslim majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations. >> perhaps more significantly,

obama laid out his world view when he addressed the u.n. that september. >> no one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. >> in this new thinking, a forceful american presence seemed less necessary even in iraq. vice president joe biden bragged in a tv interview how the administration would end the war. >> i think it is going to be another great achievement of the administration. you'll see 90,000 american troops come marching home by the end of the summer. you're going to see a stable government in iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government. >> then came something few predicted, the arab spring. nation after nation rose up, forcing out their autocratic leaders. how would the obama administration respond? the president's signature answer came in libya. after much of the world insisted

moammar gadhafi had to go, obama offered limited air support to the libyan rebels. some characterized this multilateralism as leading from behind. >> i don't think it is fair. and two reasons. >> representative adam smith is a democrat from washington state's ninth congressional district. >> one, you are more likely to be successful if you have partners. and second of all, i think in modern world, where power comes in so many different forms, america took the approach, this is what we're doing, get in line. we would be less likely to be successful in advancing our interests. >> tonight, i can report to the american people and to the world that the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden. >> the administration claimed its most notable success overseas when they tracked down and killed the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, osama bin laden. the president and his team were trying to modify an agreement

with the maliki government in iraq. on the status of forces that would be left behind after an american withdrawal. >> we must be as careful in getting out of iraq as we were careless getting in. >> but obama failed to make a deal with iraq. in december of 2011, he brought all the troops home. >> we're leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant iraq. >> the quotes i saw from him on a consistent basis were, you know, this is a fragile situation, but we're in a place where we have a chance. >> 24 hours after the last soldier left, iraqi president maliki issued an arrest warrant for his sunni vice president, suggesting the situation in iraq was not as stable as some hoped. and that the threat of sectarian violence remained. >> what maliki did in 2011 forward was destroy every single chance he had. maliki basically messed up the

opportunity that was there. however fragile it may have been. >> in 2012, with the re-election campaign in full swing, obama was touting the administration's foreign policy successes. >> al qaeda is on the path to defeat and dead. >> but that narrative was about to be severely challenged. less than a week after the democratic convention, four americans including ambassador christopher stevens were murdered. when islamist terrorists attacked u.s. installations in benghazi, libya. and there was continuing unrest in syria, where bashar al assad was pressing a revolt and where as the world would soon see for renewed al qaeda insurgency was brewing. >> it was less than two years ago president obama was saying al qaeda was on the path to defeat. perhaps back then he wasn't aware of isis, the islamic state of iraq and syria, a savage

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the insurgency has now swept across iraq. who are these jihadists known as isis, the islamic state of iraq

in syria? i spoke with jessica louis, research director of the institute for the study of war. she's a former army intelligence officer and bronze star recipient, who was deployed in iraq and afghanistan for almost three years. tell me a little bit about the structure of isis as an organization and as a military. they have an annual report? >> they do. they had two. they also broadcast its religious activities and its governance activities. >> so you're talking about an army, you're talking about a government, you're talking about a religious institution, you're talking about annual reports. this is a very formidable opponent. >> it is. this organization is vulnerable in its state, but the more it is able to establish new norms for itself, the more it is able to bring itself together, and

effectively govern the more dangerous it can become. >> what role did the syrian civil war play in the resurgence of isis? >> it broke down a lot of barriers, brought a lot of foreign fighters into the iraq front and it gave them a chance to say that they could be more than just the islamic state of iraq, that they could become the most powerful military organization to observe control in both iraq and syria. >> and what role did president obama's refusal to intervene militarily in syria play in all of that? >> we definitely saw that after -- after july, when the united states did not intervene in syria, forces inside of iraq and syria were emboldened. >> do you have any sense how many fighters isis has? >> my estimates are very conservative. i think that we're looking at

about 4,000 fighters on the iraq front and about 6,000 fighters on the syrian front totalling about 10,000. the trouble, though, particularly open the iraq front is that they're not the only ones on the offensive against the government right now. >> when isis takes over a city, mosul, what do they establish there? what is life like under isis? >> what isis nrinitially did wa establish a set of rules for social behavior and included some restrictions, particularly upon women, and upon praying five times a day, just very strict sharia law that one would assume would be very vigorously enforced. >> they took about killing, cutting off hands, crucifixion. >> they live tweeted a corporal punishment beheading. they took credit for crucifixions.

>> what is isis' strategy? what is its ambition? >> they want to establish this state in a middle east where iraq and syria no longer exist. they want that to be a -- not just a safe haven for foreign fighter, but in fact a place that like minded people come to in order to live. they want to expand that with a military, as far as they possibly can, and i think they want to be the thought leaders and the global jihadists revolution. >> can you negotiate with them? >> no. i do not think you can negotiate with them. i don't think they need to negotiate. they have a military. they're using it. that's their strategy. >> they're winning. >> yeah. >> when we come back, we'll look at the ever changing power structure in iraq where isis is now a major player. has the part of the country they now control reached a tipping point where it will turn permanently against the west? and is there anything we can and

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we've all seen the astonishing speed of the isis advance across iraq. what can we expect now and can we do anything to reverse the situation? retired four star general and fox news contributor jack keen gave me a briefing on the situation. >> the reference in 2006 on the left is really fascinating because it is in 2006 that we were really and truly losing the war in iraq. and baghdad was literally exploding. >> all the darker areas, this is

all controlled by al qaeda in iraq and by the sunni insurgents. >> absolutely. >> and here in baghdad, you're talking about most of the city. >> most of the city was definitely controlled by the al qaeda -- by the sunni insurgents and the city was just hell. >> now take us to the map on the right. >> the surge began in january and february of 2007 and quite remarkably by the end of 2007 we began to achieve some tangible success. and by 2008 we had driven the al qaeda out of all of the regions you see on the map to the left because they are now gone from baghdad of any consequence from fallujah from ramadi. in the latter part of 2008, we were actually able to drive them out of the last major city and that was mosul. al qaeda in 2008 and 2009 in their own communications to each

other admitted that we have been defeated in iraq. this is where we are today. what we're looking at on the map is radical islamic movements that are spreading in the middle east and into africa. they're related to al qaeda. they're affiliates. this map represents in the last four years according to a rand study, 58% increase in radical islamist organizations and the amount of territory that they control. and a double increase in the amount of terrorists that are operating out there. >> i heard president obama personally dismiss this and say, hey, look, if a jv team dresses up, suits up like the lakers, that doesn't mean you're facing kobe bryant. are these jv teams? is there the real lakers? >> here is the problem with the diminishing the threat and referring to it as a jv team. major lesson out of 9/11 is we permitted unimpeded for a number of years the al qaeda sanctuary

to grow in afghanistan. you cannot let these safe havens and sanctuaries in my judgment grow into the varsity. >> general, tell me what this map shows. >> this map actually depicts is what isis has been able to achieve, in black is what they actually control, physically on the ground. in dark red is what they're attempting to control. and in the lighter red is their support zones. >> this is a hell of a lot of territory. >> because of the success they achieved, they have grown into a terrorist army. >> we're not talking about a terrorist organization. this is a terrorist army. >> that is what is different because it fights conventionally now. and it moves into towns and dominates them with combat power. just overwhelming those who are in those towns and cities. >> how do you explain the astonishing advance of isis in iraq in last few weeks? >> let's just take mosul.

they have been shaping mosul for two years by conducting terrorist attacks. this is vehicle born ied, suicide bombers, blowing up government facilities, police stations, undermining people's confidence in its military and in its police and then last summer, in 2013, they began an assassination campaign of key individuals. i think they waited until that target, they believed had lost its resolve and its will. and then they launched this conventional military operation to seize mosul. >> is isis in syria and iraq a threat to the u.s. homeland? is it a safe haven for terror attacks against us? >> as of right now, isis is not a direct threat to the u.s. homeland because they're too busy fighting a war in iraq and in syria. once they consolidate then it will be a breeding ground for the development of terrorist activities and terrorist operations in other places.

>> is that months from now or is that years from now? >> based on how this situation goes in iraq, i would assume it is months from now. >> a threat to the u.s. homeland? >> yes. >> general, what's this? >> this depicts what their intentions are in terms of establishing islamic state, a caliphate, that dominates syria and also dominates most all of iraq to include baghdad here. >> this is the islamic caliphate that osama bin laden was talking about more than a decade ago. >> perhaps it will be. this is exactly that forming before our eyes. >> so given where they are already, and their ultimate designs, what should the u.s. role be going forward? >> we have to drive isis back so we can retake those towns, the iraqi ground forces have to do that, assist that i believe by our air power and restore the

natural sovereign border of iraq. that will force them back into terrorist activities in iraq, which they will continue to do. >> but they won't be the army, the state that they have become now. >> that's absolutely right. we will not eliminate it, but we can push it back to where hopefully it can be managed by the iraqi military. >> what you're saying, general, is not boots on the ground, but we're going to end up back involved in iraq and trying to win this war all overn. >> we would be in a very limited and selected fashion. >> but the were for iraq is not over. >> by a long shot, it is not. >> is it possible as general keen suggested that in a few months militant jihadists will be able to export terror to the u.s. homeland? that may seem unlikely, but they have done it before. when we come back, we'll look at how that attack on 9/11 changed the world we live in. and we'll talk with a man who played a central role in

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my fellow citizens, at this hour, coalition forces are in disarming iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger. >> 2003, the invasion of iraq was on. but the conflict had been a long time in the making. in 1990, saddam hussein invade ed, america forged a coalition that responded decisively. thriving iraqi forces out of kuwait, but leaving saddam hussein still in charge in baghdad. in 2000, george w. bush ran as a compassionate conservative, and concentrated open domestic issues. but the events of september 11th changed everything. >> good evening. >> bush responded that day. >> we will make no distinction

between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. >> it was the first declaration of one of the pillars of what would come to be known as the bush doctrine? >> the people will hear all of us soon. >> in 2001, bush's military response was to attack afghanistan, with a ruling taliban harbored the al qaeda leaders responsible for 9/11. >> the president made the decision that we had to go on the offensive. >> william lewdy served as special assistant to the president for defense policy and strategy. this meant a complete rethinking of our strategic doctrine when it came to fighting terrorism. >> president bush continued to develop his doctrine for fighting america's new threat. >> the war on terror will not be won on the defensive. we must take the battle to the

enemy, disrupt his plans and confront the worst threats before they emerge. >> it is not complicated. how do we prevent the next attack? and since we had adopted this wait until you're attacked and then send in the law enforcement folks, the president understood that this dynamic had to change. >> march 20th, 2003, the u.s. invades iraq. baghdad fell in three weeks. but the insurgency would continue for years. meanwhile, bush was re-elected and his doctrine continued to evolve. >> the survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. the best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world. >> this is the cap stone of the president's freedom agenda. the president essentially said

that tyrannies, dictatorships are inherently unstable. and when they implode, this causes a clear and present danger to the united states. >> as the fighting dragged on and casualties mounted, the iraq war became less popular here at home. some politicians who had once supported it now turned against our involvement there. >> this war is lost. >> republicans suffered big losses in the 2006 midterms. and democrats took the house and senate. president bush decided to double down, sending thousands of war troops into the war. the surge was generally opposed by the war's critics, including the junior senator from illinois. >> i expressed my clear and unequivocal opposition to an escalation of troop levels in iraq. >> but by the end of 2007, violence in iraq was down, to levels not seen since before the invasion. nevertheless, the war was now

widely seen as a mistake. and in 2008, republicans lost the white house to a candidate who ran on his opposition to ever getting involved there. >> the war had been won. al qaeda had been defeated, iraq was off on the process of political maturation. and training and equipping its own military force. by the time president bush had left office in 2009, i think it is generally accepted that iraq had been stabilized. >> one of the architects of the iraq war strategy has strong feelings about why that stability didn't last. next, dick cheney on barack obama. if you wear a denture, touch it with your tongue. if your denture moves,

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back to the clinton years. first right after we were elected before we were sworn in was the report from the cia that warned about iraq and wmd. everybody believed that saddam hussein had wmd, he produced it, used it before. >> let me ask you about two other statements. you said the u.s. would be greeted in iraq as liberators. >> that's what we have been told by intelligence and there was great satisfaction. >> but having said that, in 2005, you said the insurgency was in its last throes, just before it got much worse. >> i obviously misjudged the situation. it turned out the problem is going to be much tougher than we thought it was going to be. >> some people say, hey, why should we listen to him, back when he was in charge, he was wrong about a lot of this. >> i think most of the people who say that were critics of the policy in the first place. i come back to the proposition that by the time we finished in

iraq, we had as we were leaving office, we had in fact dealt with most of that problem, we had the sunni united with the shia and the government. we had relatively effective and military forces left with respect to the iraqis, and we had pretty well stabilized the situation as barack obama himself said. so we were in good shape by the time we left office. in iraq. >> president obama said he was leaving country that was sovereign, stable, and self-reliant. >> right. >> what went wrong, mr. vice president. >> well, what i believe went wrong was the failure to negotiate a stay behind agreement. they were unable to reach agreement for status of forces. the u.s. military, our generals, wanted the stay behind force of close to 20,000 people, 18 to 20,000 people. the white house said no. >> so what would you do now? >> well, as i say, i would start by reversing most of the obama

policies. i would rebuild the u.s. military. >> specifically how would you take on isis today? >> well, i would work hard with those states that are around, jordan comes immediately to mind, i go to the saudis and the uae and restore their confidence in the united states that we're in this fight with them, that we got their back, that we're willing to make the kinds of commitments of resources and personnel and our own military capability so that if they do get a caliphate established in that region, say iraq and syria, that we will, you know, we'll have skin in the game. >> but would you reintroduce u.s. ground troops. >> to do what? to go in and fight a major battle, i would be reluctant to do that, partly because of the confused political situation inside iraq itself. i would give serious thought to the -- some of the kinds of things we're able to do in iraq

previously, with our special ops guys. they are very good, very sophisticated, able to target individuals. >> how do you feel about bringing iran into the discussion about iraq? >> bad idea. the iranians are in many respects the common enemy for a lot of our friends out there. the idea that we're going to welcome iran in to solving the problem in iraq is like bringing the russians into solve the problem in ukraine. >> as you understand it, what is the obama doctrine in fighting terrorism? >> well, for starters, they don't believe there is a problem. or at least they act that way. they said as much. they went from a situation where they got bin laden in 2011 and their attitude after that has been well, we got bin laden, problem solved. secondly, he's been heavily involved in trying to withdraw the u.s. in the middle east. and they had a story about -- we

got out of the iraq and didn't leave the state force there. he's already announced he wants to do the same thing and get totally out of afghanistan. the result of all of that is to significantly diminish the capacity, the united states government to influence and advance in that part of the world. i have a lot of friends from the last 25 years, and arab and israeli they all lost confidence in the united states. they no longer believe they can count on us. a lot of what is involved in the obama doctrine is to significantly diminish the capacity of the united states to influence events around the world. he's not decimating al qaeda. he's decimating their own defense department. >> to what end would he want to? >> i think he really believes that a strong u.s. is disruptive to what he thinks the world ought to be. the united states has played a role for good in the world, for stability and peace and peacekeeping, with significant

military assets, and the willingness to use them occasionally. i don't think he believes in that. i think his world view is different than what has been the national consensus, republican and democrat alike, since world war ii, that is that the u.s. has a major leading role to play in the world. >> just on a personal level, when you think of all of the blood and treasure that we spent in fallujah, in mosul, in ramadi, to see it all go back to al qaeda, how does it make you feel? >> well, it is a tragedy. it didn't have to happen this way. if in fact the situation that we left in '07 and '08 after the surge with iraq and relatively good order, and stay behind force there to keep it that way, it would be a lot easier for the parents and families of those who gave their lives there to accept it. >> final question, why are you

speaking out? it seems clear that you are on a kind of offensive to speak out about this. and you must realize given how polarizing a figure that you are that for some americans your criticism will only make president obama more popular. >> well, he's going to need a lot more help than that, and prove his current standing in the polls, but i'm convinced that the fate of the republic is heavily involved in these issues. and if i don't speak out, i don't know who else will. and i feel that i can speak with some credibility paubecause i'v been there, been involved in all the discussions and developments and i feel very strongly that it is important to do it. i believe in it. i don't need to sort of re-engage in the political wars. but i really, really believe that we are in big trouble, and that this president is not

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>> tonight, we tracked the obama doctrine. here to tackle the big picture is our panel, charles lane, opinion writer for the washington post, liz cheney, and charles krauthammer, charles, let me start with you. how responsible is the obama doctrine? ending wars instead of winning

wars, how big a factor do you think that is in the mess we find ourselves in iran sth >> i think these forces were welling up some ways for a century but certainly since before he became president these insurgents and is slamm t slammisslammist slammist- >> were looking for opportunities, communicating loud and clear the united states is not as interested as it had been before and therefore there was an opportunity if people wanted to be disruptive and i think also, communicated to our ally that's they might have to look for their own opportunities. particularly important in iraq i think the malaki regime is becoming reliant on iran as we have left.

>> some critics say the real problem was the bush doctrine as practiced by president bush and your dad iraq had nothing to do with september 11th, there was almost no al qaeda presence in iraq before the u.s. invaded. critics would say it's how bush and cheney went in. >> i'm sure we'll debate what happened and i believe we did the right thing the critical point is what condition was iraq in in 2009? in 2009, because of the surge, because frankly president bush, vice president recognized that the iraq situation was going in the wrong direction because the president made the decision to surge forces in, we were in a place where iraq was stable, where al qaeda had been defeated in iraq, where the president had a clear, and specific thing he

needed to do. now sh he's trying now and secretary clinton are trying to pretend it was the iraqi's decision. the president said i'm going to pull troops out. now, he's saying it's not my fault the troops came out. it's clear he was his fault. you're seeing the consequences of the decision. >> how is it possible that 13 years after september 11th, all of the blood and treasure the country spilled that if you believed vice president cheney, you can believe jack keen, that this threat may be greater than it was, then? >> because it's a new kind of war. along the way in fighting a new kind of war, we've made mistakes. the principle mistake for the rise of isis and iraq is the withdrawal of american power,

one great super power in the world from syria and iraq. iraq with drawl in 2011 left iraq in the hands of a sectarian government without the influence of the united states. while in there, it did not act in a sectarian way. it was inclusive. it had sons of iraq, sunni army, it had loyalty of the sunnis. it held together when we left, that changed overnight in absence of our influence. that was predictable and predicted. in syria, when obama spoke about assad had to go, he left a vacuum into which bad guys went. iran, hezbollah and russia. this is what happens and that is the reason we are where we are today. if you create a vacuum, bad guys will come they came. >> polls indicate the country is war weary. worn out. does the country have the will?

does the president have the will to confront this threat? >> i think there is a tendency to swing two administrations from massive involvement with ground troops to the opposite under obama. we don't think about ire strikes let alone ground troops. i think the lesson of the situation is that we have to find a sustainable, balanced approach. one that doesn't abandon the region or impose on the american public an ongoing price that clearly they don't want to sustain. and i think that is going to take internal unity in this country and a political pol polarization. >> does the president have the will to confront this threat? >> part of making sure the country has the well is having a president that leads i'm not a fan of the president i think his foreign policy has

been a disaster. but time, and time again, when he's made a decision that he wants the american people to support he doesn't get out and fight for it. we need someone who recognizes that we say it's a clear and present danger to the national security of the nature and willing to generate the support we need among the american people to fight that. >> leadership requires honesty and leveling of the people people will make the right decision if given the honestñi truth. obama argues unless awe dopt his policy of withdrawal, the only alternative is all-out war. it's not. here, the only alternative is to win back the sunnis, which can be done at low cost and politically if we win back sunnis, the entire course of the war can be reversed. >> thank you, panel, and tonight it seems tlb bad and worse choices in iraq. we need to realize it's not just

a question of what america should do in iraq the real question is what is america's place in the world? that is a question we'll keep debated on this channel. that is our program for tonight. i'm chris wallace in washington. thanks for watching. >> i have a dream. one staup the

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