irony at the running of the bulls. an american who wrote a book how to survive the running of the bulls at pamplona was ford not once but twice. look at him. that attack left bill hillman with serious injuries. they're not life-threatening this can happen at the running of the bills, when huge animals chase you. eric: also known as "outnumbered." see you there in an hour. martha: that's right. bill: i will be very scared. martha: "happening now" starts right now. bye, everybody. jenna: the obama administration's account of benghazi coming under fire again. new evidence emerging that the terrorists who attacked our consulate were no ragtag bunch acting on spur of the moment. hope you're off to a great jay, i'm jenna lee. eric: i'm eric shawn sitting in for jon scott and welcome to this hour of happing now. as you know the administration portrayed the deadly assault as

work of spontaneous mob acting out fury against that video critical of islam. that is not apparently the case. newly-released transcripts reveal the terror attack was premeditated and they say it displayed a high level of sew figurescation. jenna: four americans including ambassador chris stevens were killed in benghazi nearly two years ago. the investigation into what happened that hosch night. catherine herridge has been on the story with the beginning and live from d.c. with the latest for us now. catherine? >> reporter: the transcripts released by the house aarped services committee reinforced the conclusion that the attacks were premeditated and that the head of military africa command, the group that attacked during the third wave of assault had professional training. quote, given precision of the attack it was well-trained mortar rue. in my estimation they had a well-trained on searcher carter ham testified, a degree of military training unusual and

indicates that was a, not a pickup team. this was not a couple of guys who found a mortar someplace a mortar crew uses math calculations for distance, elevation and angle to launch a mortar. in the case of benghazi, the first two mortars with off target and spotter calling in adjustments for the mortar crew, with following three rounds on target more than half mile away. this is pentagon video that shows what it takes to the plant a mortar placed for successful strike. this is also evidence of premeditation. the recent indictment for the benghazi suspect, ahmad abu khatalla, links him to a in court papers a precision mortar attack that forced evacuation of cia annex that night. the mortar strike was the trigger for the cia's chief of base to shut down operations. what is key here that this information was certainly known by then cia director david petraeus, former acting it cia director michael mower reland then -- more rel, secretary of

state hillary clinton. all three in their initial public statements described attack as spontaneous event inspired by video. after portray just was forced to resign his post as cia director, sources close to him insisted he knew it was terrorism from day one despite what he told congress, jenna. jenna: more to the story as it comes. catherine, thank you. >> reporter: you're welcome. eric: a new hearing right now linked to the ongoing on going target of political groups. that hearing is being held today but this time the action is being take place before a judge, not lawmakers on capitol hill. this comes as fox news obtained more emails from lois lerner, the former irs official at the head of this controversy. in these new emails, miss lerner warns her staff to be careful what they write in emails because she warns congress could ask for them. suggesting that the miss lerner wanted to hide what her office could have been doing. peter doocy live in washington with the details. >> reporter: hi, eric.

right now lawyers for the government are in front of a federal judge explaining how many hours the doj lawyer assigned to investigate the irs targeting scandal actually worked on it. the reason judicial is watch is taking this to court, that the doj lawyer, made 12 donations to obama for america between 2008 and 2012. if you add up all her donations to obama and dnc from 2004 to 2012, $6850. lois lerner quote, i was cautioning folks about email and we had several occasions where congress asked tore emails and there has been electronic search for responsive emails. we need to be cautious what we say in emails. lerner then inquired about an irs instant messaging system to see if those internal conversations are backed up. she was told, they are not, unless one party involved presses save. lerner's response to that?

quote, perfect. the oversight committee chairman darrell issa's response, this is a smoking gun. >> this is lois lerner clearly cautioning people not to say things on email and being delighted to find out that the local instant chat that they have, this microsoft product, wasn't tracking what they said. so that they could do this instant messaging back and forth at the irs without any audit trail. >> reporter: on the hill there are democrats still defending lois lerner. >> the facts are that miss lerner did not destroy any records subject to the federal records act. she did not cause the computer assigned to her to fail. >> reporter: now we're awaiting word from inside of the courtroom to see how far along the obama administration's internal irs investigation is, or is not. eric. eric: peter, it continues.

thanks so much. jenna: today no flights of immigrants to southern california or for the rest of the week according to border patrol and no bus trips to the processing center in murrieta, california. this was the scene there last week. things have calmed down a bit with no buses rolling in. questions still linger for the city of murrieta what is ahead. let's go to will carr live down on the ground. will? >> reporter: jenna, this is the first time federal authorities have told local leaders here anything about their planned travel on bringing the immigrants from texas. i can tell you that we were expecting hundreds of supporters and protesters out here today. in fact, local authorities were anticipating so many, they set up orange cones to separate the groups because over the last week they have gotten pretty heated going back and forth. but the hitch came about an hour ago. we actually got this press release from the murrieta police department, which in part reads that they have learned from the border patrol there will not be any flights coming from texas into san diego today or for the

rest of the week, which means there won't be any buses coming. now over the last week we've seen protesters get into the street right behind me and physically stop some of those buses. they ended up having to turn around and leave the area. that really launched murrieta into the spotlight. now local leaders tell me they say they hope the obama administration, which is asking for $3.7 billion to help with the border crisis, will stop the surge coming across the border once and for all. >> the problem is we don't know where the bulk of that money is going and we need to comb through that supplemental request to make sure the money is being spent in efficient areas, to solve this problem at the border. >> reporter: at this point we don't know why the flights have stopped or if they will pick up at any point in the future. i have spoken to several of the protesters here as well. they tell me there has been so much misinformation the last week, week 1/2, they still plan to come out today. they're not hesitant to tell you

they really don't trust federal authorities right now. they say, jenna, they will be out in force again. jenna: a story we'll continue to watch especially from the ground there, will, thank you very much. how can the president bridge the gap between these two viewpoints currently playing out when it comes to this immigration crisis? what is the solution really? right now the president is at a fund raiser in austin, texas, where our next guest is as well, a few blocks over. karl rove says the president needs to lay off on the fund-raising and focus on the job at hand. in "the wall street journal" in a column today, quote, the flood of child illegals will deepen the sense of the president, distant, callous and unengaged. his party will suffer for that in the midterm election no matter how many fund-raisers mr. obama attend. karl rove joins us now, former white house deputy chief of staff, senior advisor and fox news contributor. karl, great to have you. you're in the city at the moment. really here for today. the president is there as well. in the same column you suggested that the president's 2011 poll, his deferred deportation policy

helped him in his election in 2012. why do you think this time is different? >> well, look, in 2012 he faced a particular problem which was the enthusiasm in the latino community voting for him was low. and despite the fact not ema'am norred of mitt romney because they were not excited about president obama because look, he had 2009 and 2010 majorities in the house and senate and could have passed comprehensive immigration reform and didn't lift a finger to do anything. he had a problem and solved problem by order that exempted young illegals being deported for two years. this immediately brought about improvement in his numbers in the latino community which was a healthy margin for him in the fall election. probably delivered a couple states, florida and colorado among them, to president obama but today, it's a different situation. people look at the border and they see this horrific surge of illegal children and, they see pictures, heart-rendering pictures of kids lying under

paper blankets and sick children being put into communities. you know the idea that somehow or another these kid will be allowed to stay and their parents will be al loud to come. it is a horrific picture and president is on the wrong side of it and doing little to put himself in a good posture. jenna: the administration has been successful taking controversies and turning them into republican issues or republican problems. in fact this is what the president said last night about this issue. >> the only question at this point is, why, why wouldn't the texas delegation or any of the other republicans who are concerned about this not want to put this ons that track and get this on my desk so i can sign it and we can start getting to work? jenna: how do republicans prevent that from happening again, karl, from the president turning it into quote, unquote win, tough to seen say win in this situation because of your description what is actually happening to these women and children? but in the political sense of this, what is the right response from republicans to what the president had to say there?

>> i say three things. one is to get bipartisan chorus already exists, get it louder that the president ought to come to the border and meet with border area elected official the and community leaders to see the situation up front and personal himself. second they ought to insist the president come to the border in part to deliver message to central american parents, do not send your children north on this dangerous journey, if they survive it, they will be caught and they will be returned. third, my view, use the simply mental request. he wants $3.7 billion. they don't know exactly for what. use that request to get right policy in place. for example, don't accept blanket what he send up but take a look at, what needs to be done. for example, the president has reversed the policy of his successor who, of his predecessor who ended catch and release. the idea that if you were in otm, other than mexican, caught in the united states, under president george w. bush the policy releasing you on your own recognizance was ended.

that policy has been reversed of the if you're caught inside the united states and somewhere other than from canada and mexico you get released on your own recognizance and don't show up for your immigration hearing. what money needs to be spent to put policy back in place, you're an otm. you get held till immigration hair something over. what additional security on the boreder? jenna: you think republicans need to play here. congressman cuellar is saying he would like to look at 2008 law put in place by president bush that is doing exactly what you described, allowing some of these central americans to stay in the country. he is saying let's negotiate, let's change this and alter it and we'll bring republicans on board? is that the right way to go. >> two things. yeah. one thing henry cuellar is democrat, find areas of agreement. let me correct a misunderstanding about the 2008 law. the administration is quick to blame the 2008 law which dealt with victims of sex trafficking. jenna: sure. >> so the only kids affected by this are kid who say, i'm a sex

worker and if you send me back, a pimp or a madam will take control of me. that is not, this is not as a result of that. that law was signed in december of 2008. for better part of, more than a decade, roughly 4,000 unaccompanied minors were apprehended each and every year. president obama signs his order in 2012 and in that fiscal year, the number of unaccompanied minors apprehended jumps to 10,146. the next fiscal year, fy-13, it is 20,805. as of june 15th of this year, 39,133 with 3 1/2 -- jenna: which makes sense. intention of the law versus application of it. they're trying to split hairs as you mentioned, karl. that is what administration is saying. >> no, no, the president is trying to blame his predecessor in order to escape responsibility for his decision in 2012, which caused a surge in unaccompanied minors. jenna: still the blame game back and forth from both side. >> sure. jenna: still getting that.

no one is solving issue of as you point out, karl, one of the things you said in your answer to a previous question, get democrats and republicans to pressure the president to go to the border. one of the things. >> that's right. jenna: we're 300 miles from the border where you are in austin. >> 400. nearly 400. jenna: turn the map to brownsville where children are being housed, 300 miles. we actually checked that. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. nearly 400. that's okay, we won't quibble. jenna: because we're quibbling i have to take a quick break. let me take a commercial break. when we come back i want to talk to you about solutions because if you were advising the president, how would you advise him to solve this? because apparently, he has some power. we want to know what's the right path to go and what karl rove would do. karl, if you stand by, we'll be right back. quick commercial break and m.o. "happening now" right after it.

jenna: karl rove back with us talking about the immigration crisis at our border. we were talking about the distance between austin an brownsville which would be nearest site, karl, for the president to visit if he changes plans and decides to go there. as of right now that is not the case. if you were advising the president not just about visiting the border but how to solve this issue and own the solution, which would be great for the country, what would be the key? what is the key to solving this? >> well, there are three. one is, first of all, delink this entirely from comprehensive immigration reform. i think he made a mistake last night in a statement trying to

link this $3.7 billion he wants and immediate crisis to the broader issue of comprehensive immigration reform. the more he conflates the two, less likely he will get action on the supplemental in the way he want. delink the two. ironically more he ignores comprehensive immigration reform the more it helps him in achieving that. second of all, be flexible. sit down and listen to particularly people from texas delegation. he is right, the texas delegation is key to this. listen to the leaders what needs to be done in order to impact the border. talk to other border leaders like jeff flake in arizona and dianne feinstein in california and the senators from new mexico. get, get a consensus going, which means, dig in and do a lot of hard work. third of all, be looking for things that will help secure the border. i know the president's emphasis in this appears to what we do in order to provide assistance for

these children. he needs to look for things that can be done this supplemental that will help secure the border. that will give people confidence that they ought to attack more ever this problem than just securing the border. narrow it down, focus it, work it hard and use this as an opportunity to build trust and confidence that the president is willing to listen and work with people on the other side of the aisle to do things that mutually help achieve a secure border. jenna: let's say that he does some of those things. what would the republicans going back to the point of what you were suggesting to the gop, what should they be willing to give? that 3.7 billion doll is causing a lot of concern on capitol hill because a lot of it is not paid for. we have only what is it, 20 working days of both chambers in session to get anything done? what is the key to republicans giving some too? >> i think republicans have to look at this as an opportunity they have to work. that is to say opportunity to get some things done that will help secure the border policy changes and necessary fund.

i wouldn't be committed, i hope the president is not stuck in the mud on, i have to have $3.7 billion and i have the republicans should not feel compelled to give him $3.7 billion if they don't think it is needed. they need to sit down in good faith using this as opportunity to take some steps, look, for example, they could use this in order to guaranty the next couple years there are larger classes of new agents, border agents being trained and deployed on the border. they can use that in order to further expand under president bush, size of border patrol was doubled and budget was tripled. they could continue that expansion by supplement. there are infrastructure needed on border. there are fundamental changes in the staffing of the border. you heard governor perry talk about how we need to move people back closer to the border. they could use this to take important steps and work hard at it. and administration demonstrates some flexibility. jenna: it a big if, that both

sides can roll up their sleeves. interesting to have a plan where both can giver in a bit. hopefully we'll find a solution. right now it doesn't seem like it is out there. karl, great to see you as always. we'll compare gpss. >> there we go. there we go. mechanical len is closer than brownsville if you want to get to the border. jenna: i got married in wimberly. 45 minutes outside of austin. >> exactly. jenna: i'm married to a texan. give me a little credit. >> exactly. jenna: karl, thank you. eric: jenna, now to obamacare. you know the price of the program was always kind of uncertain even on the day the president signed the bill but then he went around congress to make changes. some say the real cost to taxpayers continues to be unknown. hamas continues its terror barrage at israelis. more rockets fired from gaza into israeli cities and reaching further and deeper into the

israel's territory than ever before. one official says this situation could quick live spiral out of control. we're live on the israeli-gaza border next.

jenna: the mamas terror attacks on israel are continuing bombarding israel with more rocket attacks. israel is now stepping up its aerial offensive in gaza and possibly mobiling forces for a possible ground operation as well. we'll see if that happens. this has a warning from general ban ki-moon that the crisis could spread out of control. john huddy is live on the border with more. john? >> reporter: jenna, the question really remains as you said whether a ground offensive could happen. we could know that in the coming days or coming hours for that matter. quickly i want to show you

something, behind me, maybe half a mile if i had to guess, three mortars landed in an open field and a fourth hit a home, just around about an hour ago. by the way that area there is right on the israel-gaza border. in the distance is gaza city. back to the possibility of a ground offensive. earlier today we went looking for troops to see if they were getting ready in a staging area. we did find some. take a look what we found. we're seeing ground forces amassed here. tanks with 105-millimeter cannons, heavy artillery, with 155-millimeter howitzer cannons, apc's, all purpose carriers and of course inpantry, if given the order would move ahead with a ground assault. those last vehicles are what are called, d-9 bulldozers. basically they are at the front of the line so to speak. they will clear away for any advancing ground troops and ground forces. quickly let's go through the numbers. for airstrikes, israeli air force hit more than 320 gaza

militant targets overnight bringing total to 780 strikes so far since operation protective edge started on monday. 84 palestinians have been killed. of them, a reported 23 children. over 600 people have been injured in gaza. since early this morning, more than 100 rockets fired at israel. 12 were intercepted by israel's ion dome system. no one landed or hurt or killed as has been the case in israel since monday. as for possibility of a ground offensive and israel's finance d quote, the formula for quam for calm is no longer on the agenda and a ground assault is on the table. really as i said, jenna, the possibility of this happening, we could find out in coming days or even coming hours for that matter. jenna? jenna: all the more reason to watch. john, thank you very much. we'll stay in the middle east now. alarming developments out of iraq. the sunni terrorist group isis,

reportingly getting hands on nuclear material, seizing 88 pounds of. the material is low-grade and does not pose major security risk. doesn't make us all feel a lot better, does it? it was being used for research in a university in mosul. meantime those terrorists are leaving a path of destruction as they grab more territory. we're seeing more pictures like this. shrines and mosques belonging to a shiite group being blown up across iraq and adding fuel to possible full-fledged sectarian war. of course there are those that believe we're already there there are reports that isis may target mecca, in saudi arabia, islam's holiest site. we'll bring you the very latest. eric. eric: jenna, there is more uncertainty to report about obamacare. the president so far made about two dozen changes to his key legislative program, using those executive orders. but some are now warning and worried about the ultimate cost of insuring more americans. this as the congressional budget office says, it is not really

sure what the price will be. jim angle has the details from washington. hi, jim. >> hello, eric. amid all the lawsuits over whether the president has exceeded his authority in making unilateral changes to obamacare, including one that may come from house speaker john boehner, there is another concern, whether the many delays and changes are robbing the program of revenues needed to pay for it. in fact, the president has made so many unilateral decisions to delay key parts of the law, the congressional budget office said it recently can no longer keep track of spending. listen. >> it is very difficult when you go a number of years and clear provisions of law are not being implemented. >> their ability to say this was a benefit to the federal budget is going to become more and more dubious. >> take the employer mandate for instance, which was delayed from 2014 until 2016 for employers with less than 100 workers and

delayed for one year for larger companies, also softened so they only have to cover 70% of their workers. and since individuals were allowed to enroll until april 15th, many will exceed the three-month limit to go with that insurance or pay a fine, making it very hard for the irs to enforce. >> you owe us money because you didn't sign up in time to have insurance by march 1st. >> reporter: those two alone will provide more than $100 billion of the 10-year cost to obamacare. they would have if they hadn't been paid. the law also counted on more than $700 billion in cuts to medicare. up to 150 billion from medicare advantage but the president backed off on the latter at the behest of democrats, wary of angering seniors in an election year, though other cuts still remain in place. so the question becomes, when you fail to make cuts, plan to pay for the law, what do you do?

>> you either have to reduce benefits and services, and administrative costs or you have to put in a different tax. >> reporter: no one knows how short revenues are likely to be. but as the president keeps making changes, the short falkan only grow. eric? eric: probably more changes to come, thank you. jenna? jenna: the epa with a new policy for folks only accused of polluting. why the agency can take fines directly out of their paychecks without court approval. is the case of government overreach or another get tough policy? a fair and balanced debate on that ahead. also this. a u.s. marine has spent more than 100 days behind bars in mexican jail after what he calls a wrong turn off a poorly-marked road. his first official court appearance in the rear view mirror ling well into the night. what happened when the u.s. marine face ad mexican judge? we'll get you caught up next.

jenna: new details on the u.s. marine imprisoned south of the bored since march when he said he made a wrong turn into mexico with weapons in his struck. andrew tahmooressi sent back to prison after making his first initial court appearance in front of a mexican judge. adam housley in l.a. with what is next. adam? >> reporter: quite a long day for everybody involved. 101st day in courthouse. he was there for 11 hours. hearing took nine hours.

began noon our time. in the courthouse, tremendous security the but andrew tahmooressi had a chance to face a judge and tell him what happened how he accidentally crossed the border and immediately declared that he had legal weapons, legal u.s. weapons in his possession. of course that is illegal in mexico according to mexican law. when we talked to his attorney afterwards, he said the hearing went pretty much as expected. >> the hearing was a success. and we feel, we are finally on the right track in order to achieve what everyone of us is ultimately hoping for. >> reporter: ultimately hoping for release of. there is andrew leaving courthouse last night headed to where he is being held. his mother was not allowed in the hearing but she did have a chance to see her son right afterwards. >> i was able to talk with him for 20 minutes. he's strong. he's confident. he is, he is very privileged to have mr. benitez defend his

innocence. >> reporter: and mr. benitez, his attorney, he found some severe irregularities he believes in the case, including 11 pages of documents missing. the next hearing is asked you would for august 4th. the judge basically hears these cases, jenna, in sections a little different than we do stateside. potentially the judge could release him at anytime. more likely there will be no decision until at least august 4th, when he goes fourth in the occur house in tijuana. we'll keep you updated as the case moves forward. jenna: adam, thank you. eric: there is word of what some say is a sock shocking new policy from the environmental protection agency, epsa they say they have the authority to unilaterally garnish fines from take money out of people's pay checks without a judge signing off and without no court approval whatsoever. is this appropriate way to make people pay up or government plucking our wallets?

joining us angela mcglowan, fox news political analyst and a doug, former democratic party spokesman and former communications direct or for maryland congressman chris van hollen. angela, we will start with you. is this new policy fair and is it even legal? >> it is not fair but doug will tell you that the republican congress in 1996 passed this law to be able to collect dollars. but eric, that is why we have congress create new laws. it is government overreaching and the bottom line is, it is not a court of law that actually judges you. it is actually the epa and the zealots at the epa have used this agency to carry out their political agenda for years. eric: angela, what gives them this power to do that? >> what gives -- the administration does. the administration does. >> no actually -- eric: wait a minute, doug. >> actually, eric what gives the epa the power to do this is something called the debt collection improvement act. it was passed in 1996 by a

republican congress to go after delinquent debt. one of the ways you can do that, there are a lot of tools, one of the tools of last resort is wage garnishment. what they're doing right now is just complying with that law. they announced, this is a rule still up for public comment. this is not, shouldn't be some big surprise. this was in a law written in 1996, passed by congress and signed by the president. eric: the epa says is is not a significant regulatory action, they say, doug, they have the power to do this? >> they have the power to do it, they have the power through the debt collection improvement act of 1996. eric: angela, what about that act? >> it is, listen even the republican congress back in 1996 passed this, the president signed it, the bottom line is, laws are meant to be changed and it is not fair when you don't go through a court of law and you can garnish my paycheck because allegedly i -- eric: wait a minute, doug.

should the law be changed? >> yes. >> maybe it should but here's the point. like we're, what the epa announced was due process for these debtors so there is a actual hearing. let's not -- >> where is the hearing doug? >> let's not give a pass to a lot of these polluters getting away with polluting our waterways our air. you guys remember that about six months ago there was a huge chemical spill in west virginia. 300,000 people were without water. you know what the response of that ceo was? to skip out on a congressional hearing. these guys -- >> that is one example, doug. the hearings eric are actually at the epa they're not in a court of law. you have, yes, regulatory agencies that are supposed to do regulatory policy. >> they have over, but the epa has oversight of these, of these cases. so of course the epa is going to hear it. eric: doug, who is watching the epa? should someone watch over the shoulder of the epa to make sure

they're doing the right thing? >> they have inspector generals inside of the epa. that is who watches over epa. eric: angela, is that enough. >> that is not enough. look at this administration. you have liberals part of this administration that would love to shut down certain businesses. remember certain electric cars didn't work? the bottom line is this. is should be in a court of law. the epa is not a court of law. it is a regulatory agency, doug. >> exactly. that is why they have the laws to make sure we go after polluters who are break law. i don't think we should allow people who have broken the law to get away with not paying their debt to the united states government. >> i don't think the federal government should garnish my check either. eric: has to be the last word. fascinating. thank you. jenna? jenna: what does it take to truly reach the top of the corporate ladder? talent, energy, 14-hour days? maybe the right golf buddy, for example? the answer may be darker and more depressing than that. dr. chuck with us, on science

behind the jerks that are successful in the offers, eric. that is our segment, next. ♪

eric: so what is ahead for "outnumbered" at top of the hour? kimberly and sandra is here. what is coming up? >> promised to have the most transparent administration in history but dozens of journalist groups say it is quite the opposite. why they say the president needs to make big changes at the white house. >> do you give your kids an allowance? how about 20 bucks for getting an a? shocking amount parents say they give their young kids. they have successful careers and even a family, but they're also spending the big bucks, to. the new reality show that is getting lots of reaction. >> all that plus our #oneluckyguy on "outnumbered." you never know who it is going

to be. see you at the top of the hour. eric: see you in 15 minutes. jenna: they say there is one in every office. the person always gets promoted but doesn't seem to deserve it. you know the type right? a study look at what traits these people have. three traits these folks exude. they're manipulative, they're narcissistic and even antisocial. all these traits seem to be helping them climb the corporate ladder. dr. charles williams, dr. chuck, as we call him, psychologist at drexel university is wading into this dangerous territory with me. dr. chuck, great to see you as always. these folks are -- >> thanks for having me, jenna. jenna: these are folks you not like to be related to, they are not friend you want to be friend with, but they seem to get ahead in the office. why? >> look, i will try not to be too manipulative in my response, jenna, because you won't like that. jenna: no. >> the reality is, it is similar

to the conversations we've had, the many, many conversations we have about bullying. same kind of behavior a lot of ways. we say we don't like it. we definitely don't want to be targets. makes us feel anxious and people watching us, abusing us, mistreating us, using us to get ahead but at the same, on the same hand we're also drawn to people like that. these are the people who become popular. both when we were in school and in the boardroom. we even choose these people to lead us. so it is like a schizophrenic way we deal with these kinds of personality, which by the way, i was going to say why they are around and they tend to get ahead because we tend to let them get ahead. jenna: this is depressing to think about. your point is well-taken. >> yes. jenna: are these folks, are they sociopaths are they certifiable according to you, dr. chuck, or are they just simply jerks as you were describing that people sort of admire in a weird way? >> look, jerks, that is your term, not mine. jenna: it is, sorry.

>> i would say that these folks can be very difficult but from a clinical standpoint, from a psychological standpoint, more than like l there not all-out sociopaths. they would not get a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder but they share a lot of traits and behave in similar manner. at times we can be just as creeped out by it. as i said previously, irony, jenna, we reward these people, we promote these people, we applaud these people. we really, for some reason, i guess there is expectations that these are the kinds of people who become leaders. these are the kind of leaders who are popular. these are kinds of people who get ahead. that's why we see a lot of them behaving in this way. say for example, like ceo positions, if you were to do a survey or poll of ceos, you probably find the majority of them have these kinds of personalities, the dark three as you said before, and maybe one or two would be even considered sociopaths. jenna: we won't go into who we

might think that would be. we would never do that. >> not at all. jenna: the researchers said though often times even those these people are really successful their careers can be short-lived. often times they can derail themselves based on their behavior. hard to watch though, when you see some of these folks get ahead in the office, dr. chuck. i wonder what the takeaway is for the audience based on this research? if you're a good person, you're not manipulative in anyway, you're not self-centered, you will not be just as success if you recall as people that are? >> a couple of quick points. some of this is temperment and personality. we come into the world a certain way. high strung, laid-back, easiliagegy tated, conciliatory. some you can't change but shape and modify a bit. the other, no, you don't have to be bad girl, bad guy to get ahead in the office but you have to be realistic and the reality is we as human beings expect certain people to lead us who have certain personality traits.

that means you have to be a little rough around the edges. you have to know how to throw a couple elbows when it is strategic, when to say no. when to have a strong presence. when to command attention. these things will allow you to get ahead. this is what we as human beings expect from our leaders and people in powerful positions. jenna: next time i have to throw an elbow, i will say dr. chuck told me now to do it. it is right thing to do, to prine it in fact. -- prescribe it. >> you could have your husband do it. jenna: he is good example of a leader. they don't have a lot of those qualities. i'm just speaking in general, mass generalizations of this, the s.e.a.l. teams. but anyway, dr. chuck, great to see you as always. always enjoy our conversations. >> always a pleasure. eric: watching those tarred vaters at the office. -- darth vaders. china says they're against internet hacking. that boast comes again as u.s. accuses beijing of brazenly

breaking into our federal computer database. we'll have details on that. a historic beachfront city struggling to stay afloat.

eric: you know atlantic city may be an historic east keys resort city famous for its resorts and beaches but it may be losing at table. it was home to dozen casinos. by december there are warnings there may be less. rick leventhal explains from atlantic city. >> reporter: eric, a gloomy day on the boardwalk and matches mood of thousands of casino workers who may be out of jobs early as next month. there was big rally of unite here local 54. they were protesting planned closing of showboat casino and 1300 room hotel, putting 2100

people out of work this august 31st. harrah's which owns the showboat and three other casinos in ac, said decline in business and higher taxes left the company no choice. 1300 more could hit unemployment lines. rebel is going on the auction block. the $2.4 billion property could sell for as little as $100 million f no buyer is found, rebel says it will be forced to close. the owners declared bankruptcy twice. admit this was high-end gamble that failed to pay off. >> atlantic city's gaming market is adjusted for inflation, half the size of what it used to be just seven years ago. it is still one of the major markets in the united states and will continue to be. but it is nowhere near what it used to be and anybody who thinks it will be is delusional. >> reporter: in fact, ac had an east coast monopoly on gaming for almost three decades but in the last few years, dozens of new casinos opened in the

northeast, including three in delaware, several in maryland and connecticut and 12 in pennsylvania. there is far more competition for the gaming dollar. but some casinos, most of the casinos are still in the black here, some just barely. the golden nugget turning a profit after challenging first three years. borgata the top earner increasing revenue and market share year to year. >> you need to be able to do in atlantic city offer a value proposition that so far exceeds what the customer can get at casino closer to them whether in pennsylvania or new york. they choose to commit an extra 60 miles of driving, maybe an extra 50, $75 in gas and tolls to come there. that is what we do at borgata. >> reporter: analysts expect a couple more casinos could close before the dust settles and rebel's future could be decided in the next few weeks, eric. eric: sounds like they need "boardwalk empire." jenna. jenna: high-end prostitute charged in the death of a google executive. what could this sensational case

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