again, thank you for watching us tonight. remember that the spin stops right here. we're definitely looking out breaking tonight, new questions about leadership, credibility and trust in washington as well as our media. after the kelly file exposes the latest whopper told to the american public welcome, everyone, i'm megyn kelly. what is the result when elected officials mislead us? intentionally or otherwise? we ask that thanks to nancy pelosi, but it is not all about her, yesterday, she held a weekly media briefing using in part as an opportunity to attack the supreme court's decision in the hobby lobby case. suggesting the five justices in the majority change the laws on

contraception. listen. >> we should be afraid of this court. five guys should start determining what contraceptions are legal or not? that court decision is a frightening one that five men should get down to specifics whether a woman should use a diaphragm and it's not her boss's business. >> despite her leadership position and the fact some media ran with the statement, not one major media outlet bothered to challenge her on the facts. not one, until this broadcast last night. >> nancy pelosi other doesn't know what she's talking about or is intentionally misleading you. the gender of the justices in the hobby lobby majority is irrelevant. when roe versus wade was decided it was all-men in the majority.

is it only when a judge disagrees with miss pelosi his gender is an issue? if speaker john boehner made a similar chent about female justices nancy pelosi would be crying sexism. the five men in the hobby lobby majority did not determine what couldn't exceptions are legal nor did they quote get down to specifics. news flash, all birth control legal before this decision remains legal today the high court found a religious freedom law co-sponsored by nancy pelosi sometimes protects violations from violating their religious beliefs.

neither the high court nor lobby lobby took issue with nancy sebelious mignons that companies cover birth control, but the majority did say hobby lobby had the right to reject to four forms of birth control that happened to terminate a fertilized egg. the diaphragm was never discussed which miss pelosi should know since she famously promised us after obamacare was passed we'd know what was it in. >> i was so outraged my hair was standing on edge. today, the fact checking web site politifact looked at miss pelosi's statement and now, raided it false. when calling her office for a

statement her media person said the minority leader quote, misspoke. she misspoke? which part? five guys were determining what forms of contraception are legal? when she said how frightening that is? when she alleged these scary five men quote got down to the specifics of whether a woman should use a diaphragm? give me a break. one of the marks of a real leader is owning up to one's mistakes. oh, yeah. honesty helps a lot, too. so why does this matter? because trust in the government is at historic lows because a majority of the americans thinks this administration regularly lies to us and those falsehoods could be told with impunity as a complicit media stands idly by. kirsten, let pee start with you whether it matters whether the

american public should sit idly by and say yes. she misspoke. it's fine. >> of course it matters. the idea no media questioned what she said when it was wrong, unless maybe i don't know, do they not know that? not know about the case to know that is not what happened? and nobody was questioned other than you, will question the fact she attacking five members of the supreme court is, i guess alleging because they're men, they're not allowed to rule on supreme court cases this representing what they ruled on? so i think it's very important. i think it's part of the reason people have lost trust in all institutions in the country is because these kinds of things are said. nobody challenges them. you're the only one who challenged it. it makes people feel like they're going crazy. >> do we care, mark? it's like, okay. it's nancy pelosi.

it's not like she said it at a cocktail briefing. it was at a media briefing. did they say you lie to us day in, day out. it does happen on both sides. >> well, sure, it happens on both sides but this is one individual thing, it might be forgivable, but it's part of a pattern. nancy pelosi telling the same lies barack obama you can keep your health care plan and doctor. she was saying it long after he conceded it wasn't true. there is a pattern of misspeaking. the president complaining about cynicism in the country this, is y they believe their government lies to them on a regular basis. there is a fox news poll in april that 61% of the american people believe that barack obama lies on important matters most of the time or some of the time. not a little lie. important matters. if you throw in people think from time to time it's 84%.

that is a stunning figure. of the number of people that think president of the united states knowingly lies to them about important matters. >> is there anyone left to root for in washington? i want to take you back to 2008 when barack obama was some called him the anointed one. and even many republicans voted for him because they believed he was going to be a different kind of politician. he was going to change washington. and i showed this moment this week because he went out to colorado. you can hear crickets chirping. nobody was there to greet him and none of the politicians wanted to be seen with him. we contrasted it to this moment when so many believed he was the change. watch.

>> what do you think? anyone? is there anyone? left to root for him in washington? he did not turn out to be the politician many thought he would be. kirsten? >> yes. i voted for him and one of the reasons, there were many reasons i have to say one of the reasons is what you said. i voted for him over hillary clinton partly because i didn't want to go back to the clinton era, i felt there were things going on, too much partisanship. he promised a post-partisan presidency. he end upped being one of the most being the most devicive president we've ever had i think the trust in government isn't just because the -- the little trust is just because of obama. it's because of republicans. there is nobody, there is a lot

to say positive about. but the president did say, that he was going to restore trust in government. >> he said it. people believed it. when you looked at 80,000 people, they believed in him. they thought he was going to be a transformational figure. when he got to office, you know it, it's not just the president, those he surrounded him with. a lot of leadership under him. and under his administration. we've seen, you know misrepresentation of after misrepresentation here is just a little bit of the highlight reels. >> first of all if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor and plan, you can keep your doctor. you can keep your plan. >> single adjustment that was made, those talking points changing words conflict to diplomatic facility. >> does the nsa collect any type of data on millions or hundreds of millions of americans?

>> no, sir, it does not. not wittingly. >> with regard to potential prosecution of the press, that is not something that i have ever been involved in or heard of or we think would be a wise policy. >> no mass corruption? >> not even mass corruption. not even a smidgen of corruption. >> one thing we're going to do is ensure womens' lives are not determined by virtue of five white men. >> these are not minions, mark. these are major, major figures in america right now. >> no. absolutely. i think kirsten is right. there is blame on both sides i think people are frustrated because not just with dysfunction in washington but they're being lied to by elected leaders. president obama's signature initiative sold on the basis of a lie. president of the united states

lied to the american people about the nay you're of a terrorist attack. these are big, big things there is nobody to trust in washington not many. there are a few. gallup found that in america, 62% have confidence in state government z so what you had out there in the countryside, while obama sat in washington there has been a republican takeover of state government. you have not a single republican governor lost since 2007. you've got half of the country living in states where republicans control both state house and legislature. it's been a huge increase in republican leadership. you've got reformers like scott walker, and governor snyder, who are doing things that people approve of and like. you think you have outside of washington, political leaders who are reformers going to bring change to washington. that is the reason for hope, even if washington is mired in assumption. >> great to see you both.

>> thank you. >> thank you megyn. >> let me know what you think. do you believe nancy pelosi misspoke? follow me on twitter or facebook and let me know. and hillary clinton's "hard choices" gets bumped from the bestseller list. and developing news on the benghazi terrorist attack. why the initial white house response was so focused on fox news. wait until you see what we've discovered. one of america's best allies says it might be one word from all-out war. charles krauthammer joins us next about what the u.s. should be doing about the crisis in israel. ♪ [ cat meows ] ♪ ♪ da-da-da-da-da, bum-da, bum-da ♪ ♪ bum-da, bum-da

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breaking tonight, israelis say the terrorist group, hamas had 600 rocket attacks in recent days. this as we get new video of palestinian protesters raining cocktails down on israeli defense forces. know, apparently, just a waiting the word to rush gaza, tens of thousands strong. joins me now, charles kroud hammer, author of "things that matter" a new york times best seller for nine months now. charles, great to see you. i want to start with the news of

the day whether you believe a ground invasion of gaza is likely tonight. >> no, i don't think it's likely tonight. i think it's the last thing the israelis want. they will do it if they have to, but their octobbjective is degr capacity of hamas, knock out as much rockets, launchers, batteries, and high level hamas operatives as they can. they have no desire to go in because that could be very difficult. it could cost them lives. up to now, no israelis died, and that brings a lot of international pressure on them. the other reason is this. the leadership of israel, particularly the prime minister, see the big gain, important gain, and the really only important issue is iran and existential threat of the bomb and the negotiations now going on. they don't want to be distracted. they don't want to be dragged into a war. they will do a ground incursion if they can't succeed from the air. i don't believe if it happens it's going to be trying to

overrun gaza or take it over. it might be an incursion of a mile or two. reluctant to do it, but can do it, but right now, days away, if at all. >> you have been critical of the president and administration, including john kerry on the subject of israel and the middle east peace process. this week, there was an op-ed by a german editor in "the new york times" coming out suggesting that president obama is governing like a moral politici politician, the world knows when the american president finds things unacceptable, it doesn't carry meaning anymore and says there inlies the lesson to the american friends who want to be less involve the and more european. there's no second america to back you up when you drop the ball. you wrote a similar piece just a few years ago. is that what's happening now? that we've retreated?

>> i think it's absolutely the right diagnosis. i wrote this in 2009. in fact, it's the last chapter in my book. in 2009, it was predictable. obama was acting and talking like a european, not just in foreign affairs, but domestic. he sees himself as a social democrat trying to expand the size of government, the reach of government, regulation, high taxation, entitlements, obamacare, for example. when the europeans undertook that right after the second world war to become these entitlement states, they understood they'd have to give up something. the money had to come from somewhere. it all came out of defense. you know, the line in britain is that the national health service ate the british navy, and they did that because they knew they could rely on u.s. navy and the u.s. military. obama's the same kind of politici politician. he shifted huge amounts of resources into his domestic

initiatives, entitlements, draining, bleeding the military. we just heard today we sent out notices to army personnel in the field in afghanistan that they will be separated, potentially kicked out of the army very soon because of the budget cuts. we are eating our military, and we have a president who doesn't see a use for it because he's not interested in intervening in the world. that's why he draws a red line here. it means nothing. a warning there to the russians. you have hours to stop your support of the ukraine rebels. it's been weeks. nothing has happened. the german writer was right. the europeans could rely on us. we have nobody behind us. that's why there's such disarray in the world and fear among our allies. >> do you believe as some of the president's critics suggested that this conflict we're seeing

right now in israel tonight is, in part, due to the so-called daylight he's put between us and israel because he's backed israel in words, some say in deed as well with the money put towards iron defense. >> look, i do think he's put daylight early, especially in the first term, and it led to a collapse of all peace negotiations which had been doing fairly well between israel and the palestinians, but i do not attribute the conflict today today light. this is clearly hamas trying to test israel, trying to see whether they can inflict damage on israel and gain advantage internally over the rival because they will be upcoming elections. they want to show its tough, and that's why the israelis are responding to make hamas pay a very high price. this is far more of an intrapalestinian dispute and

dispus between hamas and israel. i don't think the administration is responsible for what's going on now, but i think they have no role to play in resolving it, and they are wisely staying out. >> good to know. charles, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> again, the book is "things that matter" by shaurgd krauthammer. we have frightening videos destroying the holyist sites in the middle east. we have the dangerous tactic behind this and whether this is really... so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line anytime for 15 bucks a month. low dues... great terms... let's close. introducing at&t mobile share value plans...

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>> well, in a piece of political irony, sales of hillary clinton's best selling book "hard choices" are falling fast. despite the fact she was reportedly paid a $14 million advance. and now adding insult to injury, mrs. clinton's book has been bumped from its new york times best seller spot by a book from one of her harshest critics. we have more from the west coast bureau, trace? >> that's edward kline, former editor for news week and new york times magazine, compared to bob woodward of the post, and the critics on left and right long accused him of being heavy on block buster accusations and very thin on sourcing. his new book "blood feud" describes the relationship between the clintons and obamas, which if you believe him, make the hatfields and mccoys seem lovy dovy. the details of the back that there was a physical altercation

in the white house, and refers to hill larry as hildebeast and said i hate that man, obama, more than any man i ever met, more than any man that ever lived. they claim there's marital tension and the president prefers to fly separately to vacations so he doesn't have to deal with her. hillary clinton's camp told the new york times quoting, let's strap ed cline to a polygraph machine and let the needle do the talking. ed said this on the fox business network. listen. >> they have gone crazy. the clintons have gone crazy because my book has knocked her book off the top of the new york times best seller list. >> right about that, has indeed, sales of "blood feud" up 18 % in the bapast week, and "hard choices" down 36%. unclear if the soft sales

translate to lower interest in a possible presidential run. >> you're saying this book suggests that obama and clinton got into a physical alteration inside the white house, like a throw down? >> yeah, like a throw down in the white house. that's what he says. >> who won? >> they didn't say. >> you'd think the secret service would be confused, like -- well -- i'm not sure whatted too, who do i hit? trace, thank you. >> who do i protect. >> could you imagine if bill clinton got in on it as well? like, all three, the secret service would be going nuts. up next, revolutions about the white house, benghazi, and the administration e-mails very focused on fox news. we'll show you what's going on there. plus, disturbing new video as iraq terrorists go after the holiest spots in the middle east, and we are joined after the break on where this is

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intelligence community knew almost immediately it was terrorism. this to the republican congressman describes a pattern of obstruction by the state department. when fox news reports the e mail sent to capitol hill had more names blacked out. e mails point to a 2012 e mail that the report went to more than 100 people. the letter called on the state department for allegedly hiding important documents behind an administration talking point that 25,000 pages had been provided, so congressman issa suggests that is code for holding back incriminating documents that instructed officials to blame an anti-is

slam video. not a broader policy failure for the attack. when the e mail went public, the state department seemed to rely on the go-to explanation . >> i would take notion with the idea anyone hid documents given the fact we've produced tens of thousands of documents to congress for them all of them, to see. >> telling fox news che contacted the ranking member, adding quote the direction of the secretary of state we have met with majority and minority staff on how to cooperate going forward. >> thank you. >> you're welcome >> also telling tonight iraq terror group is taking it's extreme agenda to a new level. we're getting a growing number of reports that the group, isis is targeting mosques, shrines

and churches. this is video of a tomb in mosel, how creepy is this? isis has sites set on one of islam's holiest sites. could that backfire? a retired pilot and fox news contributor. could it? you've got them running around destroying islam's holiest shrines and tombs? now, possibly targeting mecca? >> they're fast turning the muslim world against them, this will probably the shortist-lived announced. on all sides the world is turning against them, they're doing things that are just not smart politically, or religiously.

i'm just amazed when you threaten mecca, in the islamic world, you are taking a step too far. they have threatened to destroy the black square piece of stone that the prophet mohammed is supposed to have blessed and been part of. it's absolutely unbelievable. that is why we shouldn't get involved with it. >> some are predicting there has been a threat since mecca's most-secret beacon of the muslim faith. some are suggesting if they continue with the destruction that this, we're about to see iraq plunge into violence that will make the beheadings look like nothing. that they will rise and say that is about enough of that and it's going to get bloody and violent. very soon. >> that is one course of action. it's a very dangerous one. we'll have the sectarian

violence, the other is, of course, as in anvar up in mosul that the sunnis there will throw them out. they kind of just stood back and let them come in. let's remember there may be 10,000, 15,000 of them. it's not a very large force. and the things they're doing, and engaging the population, i believe sunnis may take them out with maybe help from turks, egyptians or saudis that will not tolerate this behavior there. >> why would they do it? they've been about propaganda and hideous videos with beheadings and terrible violence. but they think this serves to

show how bad they are? how scary they are? you take it to religious destruction in that part of the world strikes a very raw, dangerous nerve, it seems like foolishness i don't know if people accused them of being stupid iet hasn't. they started out with excellent information operations. they were using twitter, and all of the social media. and they had web pages, etc. so everybody looked at a formidable threat. who has to use tools for propaganda. they start doing this, showing how extreme they are al qaeda won't accept them. nothing. and so i think this is going to make it a short-lived course. the turks would never accept a

calafate. the only calafate that would come back again would be from turkey. if anyone thinks they will be a successful calafate just doesn't understand what will come. turkey has come from the old ottoman empire. they'd stop them before anyone would. >> good to see you. >> thank you. >> there is a effort to arrest the woman at the center of the irs targeting power. the man who says congress has the power to lock her up, and is pushing to do it, next. t rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain

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>> the fbi has not talk about the lost e-mails? >> they have not. >> anyone afrom the justice department talked to you or anyone at the internal revenue talk about the lost e-mails? >> i don't know. >> lois is at the center of the scandal, focus of a heated hearing this week, and not long after that, one congressman decided he had enough of this. congressman steve stockman calling on congress to arrest ms. lerner arguing the obama administration will not prosecute her, so it's up to congress to act. texas congressman joining us now, filing just yesterday. congressman, good to see you. you want the arms of the u.s. congress to knock on her door? pick her up, throw her in a d.c. jail? >> this is the same as a contempt citation where you don't obey and the judge order you arrested.

we look inept. we issued a contempt order against her, went toef a act upon it. it's a privileged motion. this is something john boehner, if if our understanding is correct, he can't even stop. >> how would this happen? would you have to just get votes from a majority in the house for this to happen? how would it happen? >> yeah, it would be a simple majority in the house because it is a house issue of contempt, and the senate and the president can't veto it or interfere, and under the orders of the house, she would be arrested and brought to a jail. she has to respond. what she's doing, this is -- history goes back to when she works at ftc, federal election commission, and some argued she was persecuting conservatives there too. this is a long history of what appears to be belligerent and quite frankly, feels she's above the law. >> critics say if you succeed in

this, this will be republicans pushing it too far, let the process play out, holder's got an investigation underway, eric holder, and if you do this, you create empathy for lerner and backlash for the gop. >> how many people sympathize with someone destroying documents and pushing that kind of an agenda? i challenge people to side with this long record. i don't think the sympathy is there, i mean, i don't feel it, my constituents are happy in the sanction, and i don't think the average citizen looks at this and says, well, if the irs destroys documents, why can't i? there has to be a standard we're all held to. >> what about the fact there is a process underway? i realize most republicans are not happy with erik holder and doj looking into this, but there is a process underway, and if they determine at some point illegal behavior took place, criminal behavior, you know, we'll have to see what they do, but why get ahead of the, you know, that case?

>> well, megyn, frankly, eric holder is urn contempt too, it's not going to be a case in which you're going to have eric holder running out there, and, in fact, clips earlier showed they are not investigating her. this is a farce. we have to take real action, and i don't know about you, but i get frustrated just watching this thing constantly going on in which the president says there is not anything illegal happening. that's just simply is not what i see in front of of me. >> well, we'll continue to follow it. congressman stockman, thank you for being here. >> thanks. earlier, a federal judge ordered the irs to explain under oath what went on with these so-called lost e-mails of lois lerner's. the second federal court order in as many days. the next guest was in the courtroom representing a group that was targeted by the irs. good to see you, and welcome back. two orders, two days, two judges

telling the irs to do what? >> well, first of all, i think one of the things people do not realize is all the times that the irs commissioner has been testifying in before congress in the congressional committees, and you know this as an attorney, but his testimony would not be admissible in any federal court because he's not testifying from personal direct knowledge. everything east saying is here say. it's something that he's been prepped for and told to say. that's the point that we made today to the federal judge which is everything that we've heard is all hearsay, not add missable. we need someone who has direct knowledge who can sign underoath what has happened with regard to lois lerner's e-mails. that person, whoever it is within the irs needs to sign under oath and declare certain things to the court, and that's what the court yesterday

ordered, and that's what the judge today has ordered. >> what's amazing to me is the irs resisted this. they have nothing to hide, and they are very confident as suggested to congress said, it happened as they say it happened, a legitimate computer meltdown, tried to look into it at two levels and it was not retrievable, the e-mails. why submit a declaration under oath, this is what happened, and if they want to send in a forensic expert to look at the computer and system, welcome. she'll sign a confidentiality agreement, she won't repeat what she says in terms of other people's tax information, but a at it. >> well, that's a good question, and that is one of the points we kept making to the judge today, which is that the stories kept changing, and that we still have not heard from the people who were responsible for reviewing and investigating the so-called hard drive crash. we don't know really what happened to the hard drive. as i pointed out to the court today, look, i was a gs 2 clerk

typist in oklahoma city many years ago, and every piece of equipment in that air force base had a federal serial number on it. i mean, you just don't lose federal property, and so the judge ordered today that that property, that hard drive needs to be located and they need to tell the judge what happened to it and what efforts were made to recover it and see why it is that the data can't be recovered. >> sounds interesting. >> slowly but surely judges are moving towards making someone in the irs with direct knowledge have to testify under oath, and that's a first. that's a first. >> before you go, what do you think of the idea of repsive stockman to go arrest lois lerner with the house sergeant at arms? >> you know, look, let's all remember why it is we're mad at lerner. she disregarded the rule of law, took it upon herself to create law and a whole agency, a

department of the federal government to quarantine and have exempt status because of the name and political believes. i don't think that we -- i think we need to be very cautious in terms of how we approach things and make sure we don't fall into the same trap, and i think the judges both yesterday and judge walton today did not give us what we asked for, a complete forensic investigation, but cautious saying this is an extrords their measure, and i'm going to be very careful about following the right procedures and following the law. i think that's good. we all have have remember this is a nation of laws and what we're upset about with the irs is that they abandon the rule of law. when we abandon the rule of law as a nation, we lose what our country's all about, so that's what worries me about a proposal to go arrest lois lerner because i would rather see the house of representatives take action to hire their own lawyer, go into

court and say we cannot get the justice department to end force subpoenas our contempt citation, and go before federal court and make an argument about a separation of powers. >> wonder whether they're looking out of the blinds, like, what's going on. >> oh, gosh. >> the arms. >> that's right. we have to be careful about that. >> right. that would be disturbing. her neighbors -- what does the sergeant of arms look like? a little guy who says, the president of the united states -- who is it? does he wear a little outfit? we'll try to find out. oh, coming up, the suburb of brooklyn, new york, oh, you got to hear this. you got to hear this. on high alert tonight after reports that a pregnant tour ran chew la is pregnant and ready to give birth to hairy little babies.

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we called it. no answer. it turns out it's from oklahoma and the picture is the first pick tire that pops up when you google red rump tarantula. i wouldn't hide your kids just yet. no danger if you get bit. >> they said something about venom or something, something bad. okay, i got to go. we'll have to leave it at that. really... so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 dollars a month? yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line anytime for 15 bucks a month. low dues... great terms... let's close. introducing at&t mobile share value plans... ...with our best-ever pricing for business.

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irving. house sergeant-at-arms. don't say we never did anything for you, lois. in the meantime, people don't believe nancy pelosi misspoke.t. i'm megyn kelly. this is "the kelly file." ♪ welcome to "hannity tonight." part two, chaos on the southern bofrder. still in mcallen, texas. in a moment governor rick perry will join us. there's been dozens of new developments regarding the immigration crisis and here's a quick recap of all that went down. >> all: usa, usa. >> they're illegal. >> the invasion of illegal immigrants and in particular uncompanied children is spiraling out of control. >> they're treating people like