word of the day, do not be torpiding. please remember the spin stops here. breaking tonight, the white house on defense in the face of several global crises today described as worse than anything we have seen since the 1970s. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. a dra thematic series of events, an administration seemingly to be in denial about their existence or their scope. first, there is israel where we have reports tonight the terror group hamas has now turned to armed drones in an attempt to terrorize our closest u.s. ally in the middle east. next, there is iran where an intense effort to halt a nuclear weapons program today produced an iranian offer to slow down the machines that are currently

enriching uranium in an attempt to produce warheads. not exactly a major breakthrough. and iraq, al qaeda offshoot created the world's first terrorist state but now apparently infiltrating the iraqi army creating concerns of a "insider threat" for the hundreds of u.s. advisors being sent there. syria is so horrifying it almost defies description. the administration was issuing warnings almost two years ago and fighting rages on tonight with death toll estimates now reaching 170,000. and there's more. the crisis between ukraine and russia also reached a fever pitch this weekend as the russians promised "irreversible consequences" for what they claim was a crew yan yan mortar attack that killed a russian civilian. and on our own southern border a surge of immigrants so desperate that fox news today received reports that the bodies of children are now washing up on

the shores of the rio grande. the president recently suggested to some young americans that things around the world have never been better. >> if you had to choose any moment to be born in human history, not knowing what your position was going to be, who you were going to be, you'd choose this time. the world is less violent than it has ever been. >> less violent than ever? "the wall street journal" suggested today the last time we saw things this bad was back during the carter administration. here's what happened when our own ed henry today challenged the white house on that. >> how does the white house react to the notion that the president is a bystander to all these crises? >> i think there have been a number of situations in which you've seen this administration intervene in a meaningful way that has substantially furthered

american interests and substantially improved the, you know, the tranquility of the global community. >> what? former presidential speech writer and fellow at the american enterprise institute. dana millbank comes out and writes today, tranquility, where? in iceland? that's being mocked. tranquility? >> tranquility? yeah, that's the word we're looking for. where is it tranquil, in israel? is israel tranquil? is iraq tranquil? is afghanistan tranquil? none of these places are tranquil. this is the least tranquil time we have had since the 1970s. what do we have in common with the 1970s? leadership from the white house contributing to these crises. president obama came into power and instead of -- and reached out to our enemies and instead of standing shoulder-to-shoulder

with adversaries, cut spending instead of increasing it. and the result is he wants to restrain american power. our enemies don't see restraint, they see weakness. weakness is provocative. in a vacuum they're going to step in and fill it and islamic radicals are -- >> is this comparison to the carter years fair? because, you know, there was some malaise in the 1970s on so many fronts especially the home front, more so than many believe is happening right now in this country, and many have said that comparison is not fair. >> it's not fair. i agree. it's not fair to jimmy carter. after the soviet invasion of -- he found out he was wrong. after the soviet invasion of afghanistan he increased defense spending 4.6% and pledged to do it for the next five years. he announced the carter doctrine that said in america we use

military force in order to defend interest in the persian gulf. has barack obama done any of these thing sns he's launched the biggest defense cuts in american history. he's withdrawing from the world. he's not projecting american power. i mean, jimmy carter for all of his problems learned from his mistakes and tried to correct them. barack obama doesn't seem to be changing any of them. >> you were among other things chief speech writer for president bush. you know he was accused of cowboy diplomacy, shooting first and asking questions later. then we had barack obama who took a different tact. critics of george w. bush say we had to change and step out that the american people no longer had the stomach for further cowboy diplomacy. >> well, i've heard those complaints. there was something called 9/11 which happened where thousands of people were killed in our

midst. i was in the pentagon. i felt that building shake. the country felt the building shake. we had to defend our interests. what's happened is these problems are the result of our policies. iraq and syria, obama wanted to withdraw and end bush's war so he pulled out and created a power vacuum. we have defeated al qaeda and iraq which is now isis. they are creating a state in syria and iraq. and you know who's helping the iraqis to defend themselves? iran. >> uh-huh. >> so we have a situation now where our shia enemies are fighting sunni enemies. that's what happens. i know people are weary of war. all the pictures you're showing on your screen right now, that's what happens when america does not lead. >> mark, thanks for being here. >> thanks, megyn. >> joining me with more, a veteran who worked on the kerry and obama campaigns.

tranquility? >> you don't see a lot of tranquility in the world if you're watching the news in the world. >> he shouldn't have said that. >> for sure. underlying point that the world is in general looking back at history. looking at the cold war where we faced a threat of nuclear annihilation. looking at, for example, world wars where we had major powers -- >> we kind of face that right now. >> we don't face nuclear annihilation. >> little worried about north korea, isis, did you hear eric holder talking about syria and the bombs being made there. >> the article published in "the wall street journal" was alarmist. there was an op-ed that affirmed what the president said that in terms of people who are dying violent deaths is down more than it's ever been as a result of free trade, as a result of commerce flowing, as a result of cosmopolitanism. there are people that want to basically portray the president as weak. has his foreign policy been cautious? yes, but what got us to these

problems in the first place? mark was saying bush's policies, for example 9/11 somehow tying that to national interests in iraq. that's bogus. it's been shown to be bogus. >> in retrospect there seems to be agreement on that. let me ask you because i point to the bush administration with theesen because i think there's a correlation to the american public's feeling about our intervention overseas. we got hit on 9/11. the public was very much behind going over to afghanistan, less so iraq and now in retrospect very much against the iraq war. but we had a president who at the time said he was trying to bring the battle to the enemy rather than having them bring it on the home front. the question is now whether we have a president who is too reluctant to lead leaving us more vulnerable than ever. >> i don't think so. you've got the president -- president bush wanted to take a battle to the enemy. in doing so his plan strategically backfired probably creating more terrorists than he

destroyed, stirring resentment in the region which we're seeing as a formations. >> there was plenty before we went over there. >> the fact of the matter is iraq did not pose a national security threat to the united states before we went in. now with the creation of isis and radicalization in the region it does. you can't dispute that. >> well, i don't. i'm not disputing that point necessarily, but i'm disputing the status of iraq because vice president joe biden said it was going to be his administration, the obama administration's one of their greatest successes. >> right. >> and something happened. on president obama's watch that changed that. i look at the president and i hear him describing the threat at jv. three, four mornts later it's got a kal fate in the middle east and taking aim at us. >> megyn, isis announced a kal fate. they're not loyal to baghdad. isis is a legitimate threat. all i'm saying is they wouldn't

be a threat if our bone headed foreign policy of the previous administration wasn't -- if we weren't fool hearty before. so i think an abundance of caution rather than not enough. >> mark hannah, good to see you. >> thank you, megyn. >> attorney general eric holder sat down for a rare interview this weekend. but he did not talk about special prosecutors or irs or administration dishonesty. wait until you hear why. judge napolitano is hear. you've got to hear this. coming up next, a kelly file exclusive. former congressman todd aiken is here to talk about his role in a political controversy still playing out in dozens of campaigns today. remember what he said that was so controversial? don't miss this right after the break. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. ♪ don't miss a step... ♪ nothing's missed with tenatwist ♪ ♪ don't miss a beat... ♪ nothing's missed with tenatwist ♪

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well, we have a kelly file exclusive with missouri congressman todd akin. he's out with a new book in an effort to set the record straight in a political controversy playing out today. it was roughly two years ago when congressman akin was running for senate against democrat claire mccaskill. he won his primary by six points and for a while looked like he could win the seat for the gop and knock mccaskill out.

then a few seconds derailed his entire campaign. congressman akin is here with me on this set in a moment. first, trace gallagher has the back story. trace. >> megyn, then-congressman todd akin first made the rape comments to our local fox affiliate in st. louis. watch this. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> within hours it was clear the local interview would have national implications. akin's opponent, claire mccaskill denounced his comments and minutes after that akin himself apologized saying he misspoke. but the controversy already had caught fire. by early the next morning both president obama and republican presidential candidate mitt romney condemned the comments. financial support was being peared back, american cross roads, the superpolitical action committee affiliated with carl

rove pulled its advertising for akin. later the same day fox news opinion host sean hanty pushed todd akin to get out of the race for the good of the party. akin vowed to stay in but continued his apology tour even putting out a rape apology ad. watch. >> the fact is, rape can lead to pregnancy. the truth is rape has many victims. the mistake i made was in the words i said, not in the heart i hold. i ask for your forgiveness. >> have any regrets about what you said in this studio a couple weeks ago? >> boy, i sure do. >> now akin's only regret is airing that apology ad writing in his book "by asking the public at large for forgiveness i was validating the willful misinterpretation of what i said." so not only again standing by his rape statements now he says had it not been for the piling on by both liberals and conservatives, he could have beaten claire mccaskill.

>> trace, thank you. in his new book firing back todd akin says the liberal media blew his comments way out of proportion. he points the lack of action to a few classic remarks from democrats like these. >> in delaware the largest growth in population is indian-american. you cannot go to a 7-eleven or a dunkin donuts unless you have a slight indian accent. i'm not joking. >> i've now been in 57 states, i think one left to go. >> men, when they're out of work, tend to become abusive. >> todd akin, who represented missouri in the united states congress for 12 years, is the author of "firing back," joins me now. congressman, good to see you. >> a pleasure to join you, megyn. >> i know you believe the liberal media has a double standard that you believe is more than that. it is a dishonest standard. how so? >> well, if you think about it,

let me just try and paint two pictures. one is somebody who had a poor choice of words. may have been a fairly poor choice of words, but still service words. and then you go two weeks later and there you have at the democrat convention the keynote speaker, bill clinton, and even if you disregard the broadest claims about being raped has a long history of sexual abuse and indecency. and he's applauded by that convention. so i'm thinking to myself, you know, what's worse? saying a few words or actually having a long history of abusive behavior toward women? i think the democrat party is the one that's chairing the war on women. >> i know you felt there was hypocrisy the way they treated rush limbaugh versus the way they failed to condemn one of their own, bill mar. >> and if you look forward the top democrat presidential contender, hillary clinton. so what's she do?

she's getting this guy who's a rapist off the hook that raped a 12-year-old girl. she knows he's completely guilty. and so she tears down the credibility of the 12-year-old kid that's been raped. and then later in an interview she laughs about it. that's a democrat war on women. and i believe that it's not just a media bias. it's more than that. i believe that all media owes the truth some kind of a trust to be truthful to some degree. and i think when our media doesn't to do that and protects people who are doing wrong, it's overall destructive -- >> i should mention that the bill clintons denies those allegations of sexual assault and mrs. clinton says she was misbehaving as a lawyer and tried to get out of the case. it wasn't just the left wing media going after you. ann colter, not exactly a liberal. sean hannity, charles

krauthammer. you had to go because of your comments. >> right. >> what you said that was so controversial was that you said it was very rare to become pregnant from rape, and then you said if it's a legitimate rape the female body has ways to try and shut the whole thing down. >> right. >> do you believe that today? >> well, look, here's the point. the legitimate rape comment was an abbreviation. it is the idea of a legitimate claim of rape. >> let me give that to you. >> sure. >> let's restate it. if it's a legitimate claim of rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down. do you believe that? >> it was simply, and this is the word i should have added -- again, poor choice of words. the word i should have added quite simply is that stress plays some part in fertility. perhaps you know some people they wanted to have a child and they couldn't do it and so they adopt somebody and pretty soon the woman gets pregnant because

there wasn't the stress. >> let me challenge that. because stress reduction can decrease infertility. but that's not the same thing as saying stress will cause a miscarriage. that's where people took issue with you that you were suggesting the rape victims if they would only be more stressed out they would miscarry their baby. >> no. i was simply saying statistically. i'm not setting myself up as a medical doctor or anything. it's just something that had been a long -- there are a whole series of studies you can look at different articles on stress and it's effect on fertility. >> nothing conclusively ties -- >> i'm not fighting that point. >> but we had to carry this over because my team is -- but we're going to have to carry him over, the congressman. because the thing that got people so upset was that you seemed to be putting the o nous on rape victims. if your body doesn't shut down the pregnancy, then you are not the victim. >> i think you're putting words in my mouth. >> i'm saying this is what people heard.

>> i think that's what they heard. and that's why we did the apology because we were responding -- we didn't have enough money to try and redo the whole thing. >> i get that. that's why you did the apology. so you seem to be dialing it back now, which we are going to pick up right after the break. don't go away. [male vo] inside this bag is 150 years of swedish experience in perfecting the rich, never bitter taste of gevalia. we do it all for this very experience. [woman] that's good. i know right? gevalia.

and we're back now with former congressman todd akin who represented missouri in the congress for 12 years. so the point i'm trying to get to with you is did you mean your apology then when you offered it? or do you mean it in your book when you say you should not have offered it? >> well, it was a tactical question, what are you going to do? because people have taken your comment to an absurd level. they're saying all kinds of things you're saying people can't get pregnant if they're raped. >> and you know that they can? >> i had people working in my

campaign that were the product of rape. they were spothing me. >> you said it was very rare. >> i was talking statistical. here is the point. nothing i said meant to diminish women. and nothing meant to in any way cheapen or lower the seriousness of the crime of rape. but it's all in firing back. >> but you now acknowledge that a woman who is legitimately the victim of rape does not have a medical way of getting -- >> oh, no, negative, no. i never believed that. that wasn't what i was trying to say. or i don't think i did say that. but people perceived that. >> speak if you can to the divide between the republican party? you had so many come after you and they were more establishment types. >> the party bosses have their own agenda. to some degree they've made me the example a conservative can't get elected is what they're saying. the fact is i was in 24 years as a reagan conservative all these years, never lost an election. so that's being used now by carl rove, people are writing for

"the wall street journal" saying everybody knows akin and conservatives can't get elected to the senate. so what are they doing? they're taking precious republican money and using it to try to select people to be their candidates for the senate instead of letting the primary process and elections take place. so instead of an election, which i would argue after 24 years of being in politics is the best way to pick a primary candidate, they're going for selections. and the party bosses have an arrogance to think that they can do that. now, that's bad for the party for two reasons. >> they say you were arrogant because you should have done what was best for the party and drop out of that race. >> here's why it's bad, one, you're wasting money in a primary which you need in the general. and two, you're antagonizing half the grass roots people in the particular state where you decide you're smarter than the voters are. >> i want to say our own mike huckabee -- he does think you were taken out of context and the liberal media was too quick

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facing this administration in this country unasked and unanswered. in a rare interview with attorney general of the united states eric holder talking to abc news. he wound up suggesting that the criticism of the obama administration is often based on racism. and we'll get to that in a minute. but first, the attorney general was not asked about a number of much more urgent issues, among them the administration's strained relationship with the truth in so many instances. where the investigation stands into the irs' targeting of conservatives, it's been in the news a little bit. why the attorney general hasn't appointed a special counsel. why lois lerner hasn't been -- for that matter, why democrats have repeatedly mischaractered the supreme court decision which mr. holder lost, or terrible track record at the supreme court having several unanimous decisions against it, 20 times they've been ruled against

unanimously by this court. the attorney general is not asked to make the administration's case for expanding executive authority. and perhaps threatening our constitutional system as professor jonathan turly and others have alleged in congressional testimony. and we could go on. joining me now judge napolitano our fox news senior analyst. i mean, really, there was not a question about the irs? >> the interview on abc news about what you refer was so tepid, it was almost as if eric holder was running for office and this was his campaign manager questioning him. this is not a political crisis. this is a constitutional crisis, megyn. the american people have a right to know there is a cheap law enforcement officer of the land and he is, a, enforcing the law impartially, and, b, telling the truth about what he's doing. it appears the attorney general is doing neither. for him to suggest seriously and repeatedly in that abc news interview -- we'll just take one subject matter. that the immigration laws of the

united states are being enforced is laughable, reprehensible, contrary to the truth and an insult to the american people. the reason we have this crisis on the southwestern border of the united states is, a, because the president of the united states decided to stop enforcing immigration laws, b, the president of the united states gave the signal to people south of the border come here and we won't deport you, and c, because his chief law enforcement officer lacks the intestinal fortitude and moral courage to say, mr. president, you're violating your oath. your job is to enforce the law and not to tweak and find ways around it. >> uh-huh. and you look at sort of where they did go. i mean, eric holder is a very important figure in america right now. and getting an interview with him would be huge. and i've said many times that's my number one interview i would like to do. number one is eric holder. because there are so many important things to ask him about. so much of which was left on the table. i ask you, judge, whether our chief law enforcement officer

chose the interviewer he did for that reason, a softball interview with all due respect to that correspondent he pressed him on a couple issues. but, i mean, the irs, dishonesty by the administration when it comes to supreme court rulings against eric holder d.o.j., that doesn't get mentioned? >> i don't know if that interviewer is a lawyer or with special interest in or knowledge about the attorney generals job. >> he talked about how he feels about the washington redskins. >> correct. the interviewer did not probe the defect in the department of justice today. and, again megyn, this is beyond politics. this is the american people going to bed at night without knowing that the important federal laws are being enforced and with knowing that the person in charge of them is misleading justice is doing. there are fbi agents who are almost embarrassed to d/dhr the department. >> let me ask you something, judge, because you were a judge.

you sat in actual courtroom. you were a lit gagator as well. most lawyers are not afraid to answer the tough questions. when you go up there it's a gift because it gives you an opportunity to explain why the questioner is wrong and you can prove it to them. >> it is also a gift and a general of the united states. eric holder is a smart person and a very good gdylawyer. but he is not taking his job seriously to enforce the federal laws. his ability to enforce federal law is independent of wishes of the president.@ra> and it must be so. otherwise all federal law would be enforced politically. it's the reason the attorney general is independent. he's not taking that job seriously. >> it is supposed to be. yeah. judge, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> the attorney general was invited to go off, why some of the president's critics are motivated by racism. >> there seems to be vehement

directed at me, directed at the president. you know, people talk about taking their country back. there's a certain racial component to this for some people. i don't think this is the thing is a main driver, but for some there's a racial ana mist. >> jason rilely, fox news kriblt tor and author of, please stop helping us. jason, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> what is controversial about what he said that we need to engage each other more on racial issues and some people are motivated by racial anamist. >> i like the heading, some. it's not all, but enough is for me to complain about it on national television. well, it's absurd on its face. he's black. president obama was black before he was elected president and also black before he was re-elected. none of the criticism lodged against this president has to do with his performance and most has to do with his race is

absurd. >> he didn't say enough or most -- >> he said enough to complain about on national television. >> what do you think is the message there? it's obviously not some minuscule amount in his mind otherwise it wouldn't be worthy of mention. >> this is about democrats concerned about minority turnout in november. and they have nothing to offer these constituents they want to come out to the polls for. you look at the economy, you look at the jobs situation, they have nothing to offer. so all they offer is scare monogmon mongering. >> this was about motivating voters. >> exactly. >> led tonight with the world in crisis and it's look over here, look over here. >> exactly. it's motivate them by scaring them. telling them the voter id laws, suppress the black vote. even though black voter turnout in 2012 exceeded the white voter turnout, everyone the states with the strictest voter id laws. it's essentially scaring them to the polls. >> the reporter to his credit asked about a dicey issue, which was eric holder not long ago called us a nation of cowards

when it comes to race. and this was how the attorney general responded. >> i wouldn't walk away from that speech. i think we are still a nation that is too afraid to confront racial issues. incident, you have what that rancher said. those are opportunities for us to engage with one another across the color line and talk about racial issues. and we too infrequently do that. >> what do you make of that? >> eric holder doesn't want to have an honest conversation about race in this country. neither does president obama. earlier this year they went up to harlem to al sharpton's annual convention and gave speeches where they complained ability voter id law and the supposed unfair treatment they received because they're black. you do not run to al sharpton to unify this country racially. you do so when you want to do the opposite, in fact. divisive people in this country. but black leaders in this country want to keep that

racism for an all purpose that ails for black -- this president and eric holder are no different. >> jason, great to see you. >> thank you. >> thanks for being here. a moment ago judge napolitano mentioned the mess on our southern border and how administration policies may be today we got a rare and exclusive look at some of the fallout from the crush of immigrants and john roberts is live at the border tonight with those exclusive details. john. >> reporter: megyn, good evening to you. indeed we had a rare experience. facility, first television cameras ever to go in there. it was an eye opening experience despite the fact number of apprehensions3÷fq is down, that facility is jammed. down from a peak of 1500, but still really crowded. we saw a lot of unaccompanied children we've heard so much about. some seem to be doing well. they appear to be sort of making the best of it, but others we

saw were completely distraught about being in detention and not being with any adults in their family. you also get a real appreciation for the task that the border patrol agents have. the processing area was busier than an airline counter. border patrol agents consumed with administrative duties as opposed to being on the front lines pursuing the bad guys. despite the drop in the number of apprehensions there's still a huge problem here. we took an exclusive tour of the border with texas republican congressman. over the weekend we found many rafts up on shore, a lot of life jackets from people who had crossed. gomerit is a big critic of the appropriation request saying the president is targeting the money all wrong and congress will come up with its own plan. >> we are going to secure the border. and we, republicans in the house, are going to force you to follow the law. and we're not going to allow you like you did with your dream act to just pronounce new law into being because you wouldn't-fl w

with us. >> reporter: he's a big proponent and a lot of talk in congress about expedited removal of those who come across the border illegally. a lot of the border patrol agents support, and that is when people come here illegally, send them back. >> the only way is going to be mandatory detention, mandatory remov removal. you have to send the verbal and physical message, which is once you come in we will send you back. >> the immigration and customs enforcement administration today announced that 40 so-called family units, that would be mothers and children or fathers and children, had been sent back to central america, 40 of them were sent back. megyn, over the last ten months 55,000 have come in. and they sent 40 back today. >> wow. john roberts, thank you. well, freed taliban prisoner

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developing tonight, six weeks after being released as a taliban prisoner in a highly controversial swap, the army today announced that sergeant beau bergdahl is returning to regular duty down in texas. lieutenant colonel ralph peters is a fox news strategic analyst. ralph, good to see you tonight. are you surprised he's going back to work? >> well, he's not going back to work. they parked him in the protocol office, which is a joke in and of itself because that's where you put really sharp people who look good, act good, who can handle the visits of drunken congressmen on the military bases. the protocol office? give me a break. the guy's military specialty is infantryman. frankly, he get the crap beat out of him. he's despised. turn it around a bit. you know, bergdahl himself, he's

a pathetic loser. he's not the real issue here. it's much greater than private or sergeant bergdahl if you want to call him that. the issue is that we're on the verge of establishing a precedent that desertion in the face of the enemy is no big deal. and if chairman of the joint chiefs, general dempsey, wants that to be his legacy to the military, fine. but megyn, i believe we're seeing a carefully modulated whitewash in which the administration is determined that evidence be damned he will not be labeled to a misdemeanor charge of awol, absent without leave, and the administration wants bergdahl to retain full lifetime benefits, general or honorable discharge, all the back pay. and military people are furious about it.

not because they hate bergdahl personally, but because it flies in the face of all the codes of honor and duty and decency. and oh by the way, mr. president, the president has lavished more attention on turning bergdahl, an alleged deserter, overwhelming evidence he's a deserter, despised by comrades, turning him into a celebrity hero, paying more attention to his family than to the family of any of our wounded warriors and maybe instead of having sympathy for bergdahl who apparently suffered so badly that in a mere six weeks he's back to duty, how about having sympathy with the soldier who is did their duty, the marines who did their duty, will never be the same, who lost limbs, who had brain damage who are are paralyzed, who suffer ptsd because they did their duty? how about the dead and the families of the dead? but no, the obama administration wants beau bergdahl as their hero. well, god help them. >> ralph, they say he's innocent

until proven guilty just like anybody else would be charged and therefore he's entitled to work at a desk job until and if he faces charges for desertion. >> that's bs. in no time in the history of our military or any other military was an alleged deserter treated so well. alleged deserters especially when there's so much evidence against them they're held at the brig until they're tried. yes, they're entitled to a court-martial, but, oh, we have to hear bergdahl's story. if a felony's committed, the most compelling testimony isn't the felon's excuses. the bottom line remains the same. bergdahl's comrades who served with him on the front lines believe he deserted. and i'll tell you, in the military, megyn, when your comrades turn on you, that's the

ultimate, ultimate proof that something is really wrong. >> when i interviewed his platoon mates and the one said, i don't know how he felt about us but we would have died for him, it was really moving. ralph, good to see you. >> thank you, megyn. vice president dick cheney and his daughter came on the kelly file to talk about what happened in iraq. next, the cheneys talk for the first time about that interview. and wait until you see what they said. (son) oh no... can you fix it, dad? yeah, i can fix that. (dad) i wanted a car that could handle anything. i fixed it! (dad) that's why i got a subaru legacy. (vo) symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 36 mpg. i gotta break more toys. (vo) introducing the all-new subaru legacy. it's not just a sedan. it's a subaru.

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the suggestion then is that you caused this mess, mr. vice president. what say you? >> well, obviously i disagree. i think we went into iraq for very good reasons. i think when we left office we

had a situation in iraq that was very positive. >> well, it was a month ago when former vice president dick cheney and his daughter liz came on "the kelly file" to talk about iraq and their condemnation of president obama's policies there. i asked mr. cheney about his own role in the iraq war and somewhat contentious exchange. today, politico's mike allen asked the cheneys about it. >> you and your father co-authored two recent pieces, one in "the wall street journal" where the headline -- and you didn't even need to write the article, the sentence at the top, rarely has a u.s. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many. but as you know the main reaction to that piece was people saying takes one to know one including you sitting next to your father having megyn kelly on fox news know enemy really let into y'all.

to the point he called a reagan at one point. >> yeah, well, i guess i'd say a couple things about that. i don't think you could say that was the main reaction. >> the vice president's wife, lynn cheney, wanted to comment on my interview with the cheneys. a little later in their chat with politico watch this. >> you know what, i'd like to go back to fox news too. the sort of underlying assumption of your question was that if you ask tough questions of a public figure, that must mean you're being critical. well, i just think it's your job to ask tough questions. it's megyn kelly's job to ask tough questions. what a poor thing journalism would be if we didn't ask tough questions of both parties of all candidates and anybody who happens to be wandering by. >> amen, mrs. cheney. good for them. it was a contentious exchange, but the cheneys sat there. the former vice president of the united states sat there and took the tough questions and answered them. and mike allen's right, i'm not

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