>> doctor says it's positive. that's good, right? >> i think so. >> hello, everybody. she swims laps in a sink. this is "the five." >> what? >> a pew poll finds that 43% of 18 to 29 year olds think socialism is okay. 86% of their grandparents don't. so why the gap? millennials think socialism is better than a government managed economy. even though socialism is a government managed economy and that's the point. as long as you don't know what socialism is, you're fine with it.

in a way it's like president obama. once you explain it, however, people run. again. like president obama. which explains why older folks detest this crud. they remember history and its bad guys all too well. socialism is the sugar coated answer to cold hearted capitalism. socialism is let's share to capitalism's don't care. no surprise. this silliness peaks in college. that incubator filled with academics who disguise coercion as compassion. they probably celebrated july 4th because it's tokyo rose's birthday, bob. on campus, it's the leftist job to keep kids in the dark because when they're in the real world, drugs wear off except in the media where bad ideas are kept alive which leaves the real work up to you and me, all of us here, to deprogram the brainwash you must show them why capitalism means freedom and how a paycheck is yours and not obama's and that real compassion

is defined by opportunity and not entitlement. we have our work cut out for us. yep. i'm going to go to you, kimberly. >> bob is waking up from his nap. >> he slept through that in your yellow. the problem is they like socialism because they don't know about it. >> they don't understand it. you're right. what is this word with all of the syllables? they were born after the cold war. they don't understand misery or the loss of freedoms that comes with a socialist government. that's the problem. that he are just ignorant and they are a product of modern educational system where socialism and entitlements are glorified. >> and built into the system. >> that's how it is. they are robotic in that sense that they don't understand because they don't have the benefit of history. just look at the man on the street stuff that we do here at fox. people blissfully ignorant of history.

>> i don't think it's all millennials fault. they are no dumber than we are. they are smart kids. not getting the right nutrition. do you think socialism benefits from its name. who doesn't want to be social? >> first of all, you made one mistake is drugs wear off. in some cases they stay for a long, long time. >> that's true. >> let me just -- >> interesting. >> let me throw thoughts out to you. switzer lan switzerland, finland, socialist countries. are they all there? >> venezuela. >> he's looking for a good one. >> they are socialist. >> okay. all right. maybe i should move on then. i mean, how is england a socialist country? >> for you guys socialized -- >> if they are socialist, they are screwed. we need a refresher course on economics. >> i don't need a refresher course. you need a history course. >> let's talk about the

difference between socialism and capitalism. you may not like the extent to which we are capitalists. we may be overly capitalists. i know i am. proud of it. that's why i wore this today. difference is profit motive. it makes you work hard. the profit motive makes you risk your own capital and labor and allows you to innovate and come up with new ideas that will create products. >> because you have skin in the game. >> countries like the united states of america, england, brazil, germany, where the per capita gdps blow away socialist countries like china, cuba, vietnam. >> you say germany is not a socialist country? >> it's a capitalist country. they were socialist at once. the nazi party was a social party. >> that was a while ago. >> yeah, dude. >> a couple years ago.

>> dana, okay. what eric is saying leads to this question. it's not so much that socialism is being cheered, it's that people are so intensely anti-capitalists on campus and in government. >> i think that's true. i think there's another reason. i believe that a lot of millennials vote against their economic interests based on the social policy -- the social issues, right. so most millennials will align with the left when it comes to lots of issues that are on the table right now. legalization of marijuana being one of them. when you vote for a democrat, however, you also are voting for not just on -- it's not a single issue. you vote on all sorts of things. they do tend to vote against their own economic interests. i can understand why millennials are confused. a lot of progressives will kick and scream over reigning in social security funding, medicare, medicaid, obamacare but they turn around in the same day and will have an event saying we need to spend more

money on infrastructure. i understand why they are confused. >> it's like a tic-tac-toe game. >> redistribution of wealth in a socialist economy it would be perfect redistribution. i get where you are going with that. you can't call a country that has certain aspects of socialism within it a socialist country. it's a capitalist system. >> okay. >> your answer is why are you calling obama a socialist? >> he's writing little notes. >> can i make one point about this poll and about this? has anybody known a generation, beginning of their college careers or that age going up to 30 that is not more left and more socialist and because they fall prey to communist professors that do that to them but seriously, this is nothing new. >> i think you're correct. if you're a socialist by 25, technically you're a loser,

correct? >> i don't know. i'm a socialist and i'm older than that. >> technically. >> painful. >> that was a joke. >> that was one of the -- what is this? >> while you were writing your notes, i was making very valid points over here. hing about the poll. millennials, we're all trying to figure them out because it matters to us politically, socially and also economically. it's going to matter to us what they decide to do, what path they choose. a lot of them are ambitious, thoughtful, smart, funny, understand social media but they are entitled self-centered people i don't want to be around. should i name some? >> please do. kimberly, i know -- >> i learned something new. >> i agree with dana. they are smarter than i am on so many things but they got fed the wrong food. i thought before i come to you,

we create an intro to socialism. enjoy. ♪ >> did you ever -- unbelievable. that's unbelievable. biggest communist thugs and murderers of all time is socialism? >> i believe it is. it's all the same fruit. one leads to the other in my mind. >> you're right. president obama is serving that

fruit cocktail of that right now. >> where is he putting all the bodies? >> i didn't make this up. he's the one that said everyone deserves their fair share. that's communism and socialism. he said you didn't build that. we did that the state did that for you. that's socialism. >> i wouldn't lump obama into that. i was thinking about history. >> he ran on class warfare. that's what they are all about. it's a softer form of socialism. >> bob, you don't support any of those -- come on. >> why do you think he put it up there for? it would be fun if you put bob in there. that would have been a pain in the neck. it has nothing to do with socialism. it's okay because it makes for good sound. it was funny. >> you can't disagree. those are all leaders of countries that -- >> they probably murdered 100 million people. i don't think obama has done that. >> bob is making a good point.

when you keep calling obama a socialist, it doesn't help because actually obama is a likable person and he's not a socialist and it makes socialism appear better when you keep saying it's obama. >> the roots of the policies are interesting. i learned a lot about it. if you follow politics today, you can trace it back to the roots of that movement in the late 1800s, early 1900s. >> and president obama can have socialist tendencies without being linked to a dictatodictat. it's about the economic system. >> how can you say that? >> he's villainized the -- it's the difference is profit motive. the profit motive is not a good thing. it's an evil thing. it needs to be taxed more. >> now you have woke bob up.

>> will you stop? just because we napped earlier. i like you a lot i won't respond to that. give me the shovel. you get so close to calling obama and lumping him in with great dictators in history. >> i didn't put him near that. >> a distinction between president obama's form of socialism and economic socialism and that has nothing to do with fascist dictators that killed people. however, they're both an economic system where the state rules all and people work for the state. >> state rules all. are you kidding me? >> that's the perfect world. how many times did he do a fair share speech? >> the good news, new survey says that 66% believe government is wasteful and inefficient. that's up 24% from 2009. that's got to be a good thing, right? >> there is something in here for everybody. on tax, conservatives could say that 58% of millennials want to cut taxes overall and liberals can say 66% want to raise taxes

on the wealthy. they're all over the map. that could mean they are ripe for the picking. you have to make arguments about what's in the best economic interests that doesn't cross the line for them into social policy they can't support. >> the problem is you have a republican party that wants to do that. >> you know, some of those people -- besides teddy cruz name any one character in the republican party that is interesting. rand paul i agree with. >> millennials are the most populous generation. what advice would you give them? >> well, speaking to the fox news interns today, i would tell them get after it. go for what you want to do. pursue your dreams. don't be afraid to take a no. try again. and go in and get the experience and do something you feel passionate about so you can

contribute because likelihood is if you're doing something that makes you excited when you wake up in the morning, bob, you'll probably be successful. you'll probably be successful at it. >> you have got me so inspired. i can't believe it. >> i can tell. it's all over your face. >> next on "the five," great news, the border is secure. harry reid says it. it must be true. stay tuned. people join angie's list for all kinds of reasons. i go to angie's list to gauge whether or not the projects will be done in a timely fashion and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town. you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare. now that we're expecting, i like the fact i can go onto angie's list and look for pediatricians. the service providers that i've found on angie's list actually have blown me away.

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at the border. how do we know? harry reid says so. how does he know? here's harry. >> the border is secure. martin talked to the caucus today. he's a border state senator. he said he can say without any equivocation, the border is secure. >> a different lawmaker, democrat at the border, argues otherwise. >> the people i represent in southern arizona and i have 83 miles of the border with mexico don't feel secure. don't feel safe in their homes. the border isn't secure from my perspective. >> what does the white house think? ed henry tried to get an answer from josh earnest earlier today. >> senator reid said the border is secure. do you agree with him? >> the administration under the president's leadership has dedicated significant resources to securing the border. >> you say it is secure? >> the position of this administration is that we have

made an important investment in securing the border. the president is supportive of additional security being added to the border. >> then this came out on the senate floor a little while ago and confirmed that the border is secure. interesting to me is that just two weeks ago the white house was saying we had a humanitarian crisis on the border. i'm not sure how they think americans are supposed to understand they think both things can be true? >> i think harry reid is completely -- i don't know what he's smoking. the border is secure. i don't think anyone in either party thinks the border is secure. >> there was a senator who came out and confirmed what harry reid said. >> maybe they are smoking the same thing. >> passing it around. >> the border is not secure. as soon as they secure the border we can probably have some sort of comprehensive immigration reform because republicans would get onboard. can i talk about how broken the immigration system is?

nbc highlighted this teacher from texas. she's an aerospace teacher to high school kids that came over from the philippines on a work visa. she couldn't convince immigration to let her stay. they gave her deportation notice. they gave her a deportation notice. it took a texas congressman to get her a green card so she could stay. meanwhile, that's one example of a very, very amazing teacher doing great things with kids. meanwhile, we have 57,000 illegal kids coming over. we have 1 million illegal adults coming across the border and we don't send them back. they are the ones that don't get deportation notices but these do. this needs to be reformed. we need more legal immigrants coming over. >> that's the question i want to ask bob. both parties, republicans and democrats, have used comprehensive immigration reform as a way to hold off legislation in order to get what they want on the right more border

security and on the left for lack of a better word, amnesty and path to citizenship for illegals here already. do you think that everybody agrees that bill will not pass this year? is it time for both parties to say at least we can maybe do something piecemeal and at least get that done this year? >> there's a possibility of that. i think there's a possibility to get a comprehensive bill. in san diego, in california, the border is secure. in certain parts of arizona it is secure. in texas, a lot of it is not secure because it's a very big, long piece of land to try to secure. there are secure parts of the border. they're right about that. by the way, the filipino woman who was being sent back, that happens many times -- too many times every year. the fact is they are immigrants and that is what this country is built with. among those million people that

came across the border, i would bet thousands of them would make great contributions to this country. >> and vote democrat. >> i want to ask you -- >> i'm just telling you. this is kind of politically convenient in many respects. sorry to take a cynical viewpoint. >> the first time that someone got amnesty -- tho >> those aren't my words. >> it would take 18 years before they could vote. >> you know what, bob. future building. >> one of the border patrol agents thinks the main problem goes back to what we've been talking about for decades which is drug trade and drug cartels. from your experience do you think that's true? >> i think it's a very relevant, important point. i think he's right on. when you talk to people that are there at the border that are seeing what's going on on a daily basis and having worked in los angeles with drug cases, you see in realtime what's happening and where they come from and they come here to make money.

listen, there are plenty of people that want to contribute and be part of a decent job and a great way of life and god bless them. there is a right way to do things and there is an illegal way to do it. you have to respect the borders. you have to respect the laws. what about all of the immigrants that came before? when you have this kind of porous border and fine if it's secure in some sections, you are only as strong as the weakest link. >> i want to ask you, you can talk about anything you want. can i ask you about your perception of other media coverage of this issue and how that's maybe affecting the debate? >> the media plays its role by saying it's anything about a vital of our country's sovereignty. it goes back to my central point that harry reid might be the dumbest person on the earth but i don't want to rule out life on other planets. the borders are about as secure as bill clinton's pants. that's the point. security is the obstacle for the far left. once you compromise the

sovereignty of the u.s., the u.s. is no longer us. we become them. that's what they want. >> can i make one point here? the problem with this border is there's no border in mexico. areas that are controlled by the drugs and they control everything. the elected official, the police, that's where most people come across because that's where the guys who are carrying drugs come across. you have a big stretch of land there dominated and controlled by gangs. and 50,000 people have died there. there is no border. the only border -- nothing on the mexican side to slow it down. >> what's interesting about mexico is people can go there and have a great time at a resort. for some reason there are no problems when they don't want the problems. >> you are right. having gotten engaged in mexico twice. all right. next, police in new jersey are on high alert after getting threats from a violent street

gang. the bloods are vowing to avenge the killing after cops killed him. that's m coulding up.

yesterday we told you about the brutal killing of melvin santiago on sunday after being ambushed in a parking lot. now, police are receiving threats from the bloods gang seeking to avenge the cop killer's death. they've been warned to take the threats seriously. shockingly, a memorial had been erected in one neighborhood in honor of campbell but since taken down. mainstream media has been silent on this story.

having prosecuted gang cases with a tremendous amount of violence that these gangs create in a community. you see the situation go down and instead of a appropriate response they say they'll avenge the cop killer's death. greg, you are shaking your head. >> it's viewed as an acceptable point of life. it's like in chicago you have a 40% chance of raining bullets. it's the way things are. why do gangs flourish? a lot of it is a fear of targeting gangs because they are made up of minorities. we witnessed end of stop and frisk in new york city. that made minority neighborhoods way safer. they helped minority neighbors by getting guns out of because

they crush it. >> they don't want to bring it to attention. it's on important case to cover. >> we talked about the reporter from local news 12 who resigned today. i heard that they were cutting him back to one hour a week. he said he can't make a leaving so he resigned. that's what i heard today. just to get an idea of what's going on here. new york, new jersey,djacent to each other. this crime occurred in new jersey very close to new york. the drugs seem to come into new york harbor area and it's going westward. i live 15 miles west of this place. there was a murder of a 19-year-old kid straight a student in my hometown. six gunshots to the head. left him in our hometown and they can't figure it out. insane how the gang violence is now spreading.

remember in the 80s it was huge in l.a. and then they put a stop to it. lapd ended that. they had gang unit task force. what's happening here? >> what's happening is organized crime for the longest time controlled drug trafficking and it was taken over by gangs. the bloods coming in from west coast bringing drugs into the biggest drug market in the country which is the tri-state area. i'm not surprised they'll use this as an excuse. we'll defend our brother. what they're doing is bringing heroin with them. it's not as much coming in as it was in the port of new jersey or new york. most of it is coming from the west and most of it is m coucom out of mexico except heroin which has picked up an enormous amount in the last five years. incredible how much heroin is out there. >> coming in from where? >> from afghanistan and thailand and they are bringing it through

nigeria and through the caribbean and up. >> want to hear something crazy? there's a heroin truck that was -- a van, riding through the white neighborhoods with kids with some money driving around dealing heroin out of the back of the van. they busted it because it was a van truck. they were selling it out of the back. the guy was so high that he forgot to go on a green light and cop pulled him over and busted him. insane the reach that these gang drug dealers have. >> i would agree with that. >> i would say that it's remarkable how many young people choose to go into the police force still. officer santiago had not been on the force for very long. he said the reason he wanted to go into policing is he loved his community. he was a minority too.

obviously hispanic are gaining in population. i do think that if we want to have more people like him join the police force, there has to be swift consequences and tough punishment to deter actions like this from gaining any sort of steam. >> most of these people sentenced, they never fulfill their sentences, do they? >> it depends. sometimes they'll do 80% or 85% depending on sentencing guidelines and if there's enhancements. unfortunately, yeah, unless it's some of the federal crimes, you don't do the actual exact amount. >> that's why you have to clear prisons out of people with minor marijuana and put hardcore drug dealers in. they don't do that. >> i have bad news for you, bob. it's not the possession of marijuana people that are in the state prisons or in the maximum security prisons where these gang members go. there is actually nobody to kind of kick out when it comes to maximum security prisons.

>> do you want to go to break? >> coming up, eric can't stop talking now about one of his favorite news shows about an american family in the middle east. it's been drawing complaints from muslim groups and he's going to tell you all about it next.

a middle east islamic dictatorship with arab spring under way and a message it would send the worlds. egypt? no. iraq? no way. a new drama called "tyrant". >> we are here to say that he is gone.

>> no! >> "tyrant" is awesome. it's produced and directed by people who really understand geopolitics but not everyone loves "tyrant" as much as me. my friend has a problem with the show. he says it's devoid of any redeeming qualities and is represented by terrorists, murderous children, rapists, corrupt billionaires and

powerless female victims. in tyrant even the good arab muslims are bad." there are good arab muslims in the show. my good friend who is watching today -- you haven't watched the show yet, have you? >> i would watch it. i think that it's a good depiction of some story lines that you would see. i want to note, has he ever complained about anti-u.s. propaganda on any of the multiple channels in the arab world, ever? where americans are depicted as every bad thing under the sun? i am sure that's never happened and if he wants to start going down that road, we can do that. >> one of the brothers who was born in this fictitious arab country came to the u.s. and was educated and is a peace loving guy. i don't think he watched that part. >> he doesn't like me very much and i don't care.

the fact of the matter is dana made an important point here. we have to put up with the worst, most despicable anti-warren dialogue and crap that comes out of muslim countries and your upset about one tv show. if you think we're the great state, get the hell out and go back home. >> the story is also that it's hard to make a show like this because it's politically insensitive. meanwhile, you can do a tv show like "big love" or "the americans" so you can do things that would be considered critical of american types and that's okay but you can't do this and it's because any entertainment industry reality is considered insensitive. any time you approach a fact, it's mean.

imagine if c.a.r.e. oversaw a movie on 9/11 and it would be about how they tried to land the planes. >> council on american islamic relations. not very good at relations. >> they are losing focus. criticizing a show they haven't watched instead they should devote efforts top educating the public and taking a strong stand against terror throughout the world and instead they are focused on this show and not looking at the full picture and whole aspect of it. they could do so much good with a voice that they have and i wish they would. >> i was in iran during a regime that was just before ayatollah came back and we had taken a congressional delegation over there and hundreds of thousands of people were calling us every word. we were driven out of that

country. i wish you had been there. it was a very safe -- >> his name was douglas hooper back then. coming up, was it right for mom to be jailed for letting the 9 year old play in the park while she went to work? we'll debate that coming up.

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fox news alert. president obama is delivering a statement right now about foreign policy at the white house. bret baier will have more on it in the 6:00 hour. all right. now to a truly absurd story. a south carolina mother was arrested for the heinous crime of letting her 9-year-old daughter play -- is it heinous? don't correct me. in a park by herself. she's been charged with a felony and sat in jail and now has been

fired from her job at mcdonald's. all in the span of two weeks. all this begs the question when do the rights of a parent supersede those of a child's safety? i'm not sure that that's the appropriate question to be asking here. does anybody believe this woman is willingly put her daughter at risk? >> i don't think so. >> i think the remedy to arrest her and separate her from her daughter was a really bad decision. >> absolutely. >> they overreacted in this case. there are cases where i have seen them leave children in the care and custody of parents that they should not have in dangerous homes where a child ultimately ended up deceased. very sad. in a case like this. this mom is trying to work and provide for her family. doesn't have the ability to make ends meet and also have a baby sitter. she thought let me let my daughter, making a judgment call about her being responsible, play in the park instead of sit in mcdonald's all day. bad decision but not something where you take the child away

and go crazy on the mom. it's a tough situation. she should have brought the kid to work. >> when we were nine, i was alone all the time when i was nine. >> you still are. >> i mean, when you are 9 years old, you can figure things out. >> i can walk four blocks to the elementary school and backflips off the metal bar all day long but -- >> what did you do when you were nine years old? is it not the case that this woman is among the lower income people in america who kimberly points out cannot afford the day care you need. what are people supposed to do? give her jobs up? she's doing the best she can in a job structure where -- >> she was jailed -- i don't think she should be jailed for leaving her 9 year old in a park. however, i got to think that's negligent too. leaving a 9-year-old

unsupervised for hours at a time. listen, don't jail her but maybe, you know, consider either taking the -- i don't know. if the kid walks out of a park and gets hit by a car, then what? >> or kidnapped by a predator. >> kids get hit by cars when they're nine on a bicycle. >> the negligence being you leave your kid unsupervised. >> i don't have kids. can't a 9 year old be unsupervised? >> sure they can. >> they have to think about taking care of their family because wage structure is so terrible because she has to make that choice. is she going to give up her job and go on welfare? >> i was going to say that even if you raised the minimum wage to $20, the downward spiral is you have a baby sitters charging

more. it's a wash. she's never going to catch up. the goal is to get her education and minimum wage job be the one she does for a while to get by while she tries to do something better and more. the answer isn't to throw a few more dollars at her an hour. >> to get the men to stick around also. >> that's a good point. i think the other thing -- >> and pay. >> city parks ought to pay for -- this is a great thing for summer employment for kids unemployed. let them be baby sitters in park. >> my point being is there are plenty of opportunities for low income people to have their children supervised whether in a park or -- >> it's about the family structure. so many people have sister or brother, aunt, uncle, grandmother, in many cultures that takes on the role of the caregiver for the children while the better abled younger family members can work and provide income to the family unit. >> the people who make more

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it's time for one more thing. let's go over to ms. kimberly. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. that was wonderful. let's move to dana. >> i thought you would be happy because i don't have something about the royals in the u.k. i have something about the royal family of america. jfk, jr., 15 years ago today he passed. i can't even believe how quickly time has passed. i remember where i was when i got this news and it was all over the tv and press and this was a bright, patriotic, such an interesting young man with such promise of a future. i would have loved to have seen

the things that he would have done for this country. >> and the young lady that died too. >> yes. very sad the tragic loss and also her sister that died in the terrible plane crash. thinking of him today and their family. >> 15 years. wow. >> dana? >> okay. do you ever wonder what would happen when you leave here, when you retire, if you'll get your name and portrait on the wall? >> never. >> it happens in state capitols. you run for office and you get elected and you get your portrait on the wall. in pennsylvania they had a problem because they had so many people that been convicted of crimes and usually having to do with breaking campaign finance laws that they wanted to take the portraits down but there was a compromise. instead they kept them up and added a plaque. this is a guy who had a guilty plea to conspiracy to commit

mail fraud and filing a false tax return so they added that to the plaque to make sure the historical record is complete. just be aware of that when you want your picture on the wall, it would be added to later. >> okay. you guys know liz mcdonald. she works at fbn. r redeye regular. a bag of laughs. she got a new book out. "skirting heresy." she's quite a woman. she was patron saint of gossip. had 14 kids. go to amazon and check it out. liz mcdonald is a lot of fun. >> derek jeter's girlfriend, i don't know if you have seen her. can we get closer? here's a reporter trying to

report on a shake-up of the cabinet. >> the last one. the one yesterday. what we can see is -- >> talking nonstop here. >> i swallowed a fly. that's all right. >> did he really? >> i don't know if we have time? okay. if capitalism rocks 200 million, kim kardashian, hollywood. she's going to make up to $200 million on this video game per >> it is july the 17th. and this is a fox news alert. a violent bank robbery, a wild highway chase and a deadly shoot-out a hostage paying the ultimate price. we have the knew details

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you are watching "fox & friends first" on this thursday morning. almost made it to the end of the week. i am heather childers. >> i am heather nauert in for ainsley earhardt. thank you for starting your day with us. a hostage used as a human shield is dead this morning after a wild chase and gun battle between bank robbers and police in california. >> holy (bleep). wow. >> three people robbed a bank in the stockton area of california. they took two bank workers and a customer hostage. they sped off in a stolen suv. sometime during the 45 minute long chase the workers were thrown from that vehicle. the customer was killed during the gun fight that left cars and houses in the area riddled with bullets from an ak-47 style rifle. two of the robbers are dead this mo