because, oh, about ten feet from me now, megyn kelly is standing by for a live edition of "the cell eye file". we'll see you back here tomorrow night. >> and thank you, sean, breaking this hour the president frafling to the white house as new details and dramatic new audio just comes in. on what looks like the deliberate shoot down of a malaysian jetliner in an attack that killed 298 people with possibly 23 americans among them. welcome to the "kelly file". the president arrived back at the white house after spending the night at two fund-raisers in new york. ed henry will join us in moments first, a dramatic piece of audio tape we just got on the passenger jet shot down over ukraine this could be the proof

that links this directly to russia. first, it was around 1:00 p.m local time, malaysian airlines flight departed on route to kuala lumpur, malaysia the plane dropped off radar and crashed the region along the ukraine border with russia has been the center of fighting between ukraine fighters and pro-russian separatists. this air space is known to be dangerous to commercial aircraft. in april, the faa prohibited u.s. flights from flying over this area. in two weeks two ukrainin jets have been shot down. they were cargo jets but 50 people were on board. this is initial impact of the plane. amateur video of flight 17

the aircraft scattering into pieces in a wheat field you can see the black smoke. today we heard terrible stories from witnesses you for get just devastation and despair associated with these events a horrific debris field. relatives heard the news. and on the site, we're told victims' bodies are strewn around the debris. a young man clutching his iphone. a woman, limbs broken, others buckled into seats, all dead we're learning some victims were members of the world health organization returning from an aids conference. tonight, senior u.s. intelligence sources confirmed that a missle took down this

plane. this weapon may have launched it. this is a surface to air missle launcher developed in the 70s meant to defend armies against air thefts. some versions can engage up to 24 simultaneous targets. it locks on to heat signatures on planes the commercial airliner had no defenses against this thing we don't know who fired it but there is speck tags. tonight this is big. ukrainin secret service accusing the russian military of being involved in this shoot down. tonight, the ukrainins are releasing what they say is an audio tape with voices they say belong to two military officers, russian military officers

discussing what happened then, two others joined the conversation, these pro-russian ukrainins. so two actual russians then two ukrainins that are pro russian. watch, and listen to this conversation. >> minor group just shot down an airplane. >> pilots, where are the pilots? >> they've gone to take a look for a photograph. there is smoke rising. >> how many men to go with this? >> around 30 minutes ago. >> what have you got going on there? >> there is 100% sure it's a civilian plane. >> are there a lot of people there? >> it's expletive bad debris has fallen in peoples' yards. >> what flight was it? >> i haven't worked that out yet i only just looked over there where the first bodies started falling. there is debris from the interior bracket supports,

seats, bodies. >> is there a weapon? >> nothing. there are civilian things, towels and laugh -- lavaratoy paper. >> f them, we should not fly, we're at war here. >> let's just start this came from ukrainin secret service we can't vouch for authenticity of the tape the question tonight is if this is real, what does it show us? >> it almost certainly is real, square was everything we know about this shoot down. it's obvious it was a missile shoot down. >> if you thought that anyone did, one area where the plane disappeared for a period of time it was shot down the question is how bloody,

russia's fingerprints are all over this. the question, how bloody are the fingerprints? >> we were on air for the hour, 9:00 p.m . we spent time discussing russia may have responsibility direct or indirect. if it's direct it's a bigger deal. carl levin saying this is an act of war, potentially. does this tape show us russia was directly involved in this? >> russia had been more directly involved stretching back for months we're talking about the possibility of gru officers, russian military intelligence. >> yes. these are russian intel officers helping the partisan, anti-kiev-fighters, separatists whatever you want to call them, they're paramilitary and are taking orders largely from moscow. so saying what happened, oh, my gosh, they've been blowing

planes out of the sky for weeks they've been bragging about it on social media. now, they happen to hit a plane, a civilian airliner not a cargo jet. so they wanted to shoot the plane down they didn't know what it was. >> i get that. this, i don't want to say to their credit. this seems to prove they didn't know what they're doing. that they were surprised to find out this is a passenger jet, and not some cargo jet or so on. and they said they sounded confused as to what it's doing in the air space, to me, the interesting piece is does it tie russians here? russians are saying we have nothing to do with this. this is the ukraine. >> this is russian military equipment. they can say they stole it. >> but that is separate. separate apologize but i'm just trying to understand. it seems to me that these, they're suggesting that what we're hearing here is a russian gru officer >> finding out about the shoot

down. there are russian gru officers embedded with ukrainin fighters, with separatist fighters this may have been a gru officer saying we have a really big problem here. you don't see this proof positive russia was connected with it, ordered it to happen. we have indirect evidence you don't see the tape as proof if it's real russians orchestrated this? >> it's important to make this distinction. they wanted to shoot this down. they're helping shoot planes out of the sky. they saw a plane they thought was a ukrainin cargo jet, then realized when there are charred dead civilian bodies we'd made a mistake. there is no reason to think this would have been a good thing for them to do, separatists they were under the radar putin saying no.

no. we're not doing anything here. they don't want attention. this was a huge mistake from a propaganda perspective. and it forces the united states to realize ask the obama administration to realize russia has been engaged in a covert invasion of ukraine for months now. >> they don't, this is why their leader of the pro russian group saying we shot down another cargo plane, great. then realized waits a passenger plane he deleted the tweet. but that is to your point they don't want to celebrate this, but they've done it now. they've done it the question is what are we going to do? they're going to deny having their fingerprints on this. but 23 americans were on board, our interests are high here. >> obama administration has, this week been trying to ratchet up sanctions that have done essentially nothing at this point in time. there may be a redoubling of

efforts to have a show of force. we may decide to support ukrainins but this is a ukrainin fight. if there is going to be fill mil tear action it's going to come from the government of ukraine, not the united states. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the president back in the white house after traveling back from fund-raisers in new york. ed henry is live next with latest word from the president tonight. plus, we're learning more about who is on this plane awaiting word about the 45 passenger who's have not yet been identified. how many americans may have been among them? when we come back, in just a moment we'll touch on that. >> and malaysian aircraft heading from western europe, kuala lumpur, is near the border of ukraine and russia, apparently, i say apparently because i don't have actual, we don't have all of the detail yet. i want to be sure of what i say.

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we can anticipate it's highly likely we'll see him tomorrow if we get tragic news we've been expecting but not confirmed, that there were americans on board that plane. you mentioned fund raising, the president did that in texas last week despite the border crisis, said he didn't want to focus on photo ops but today, had photo ops. he's going forward despite these crisis you can see him there at a restaurant. he met with a single mom who wrote him a letter, clearly a photo op. that is what presidents do. you'll remember last week, suggesting that is not what he wanted to focus on these days now some of the national security crisis i think bottom line is that we're expecting to hear if the president is something the white house put out tonight about how they want to focus on the investigation in days ahead being international. making sure that the evidence is not taken out of ukraine and

russians take over the investigation and perhaps vary what happened there are reports separatists aligned with russians may have taken the black boxes from planes so there may be evidence missing but our intelligence community is collecting all of the evidence we can. fbi and transportation security administration officials going to assist with the investigation. >> we'll see, much eftdz may be on the way to moscow now. >> the president has not said much about the plane so far. just short time ago we heard from former secretary of state hillary clinton offering sharp critiques of vladimir putin during an interview. >> i think putin is pushing the envelope as far as he thinks he can. i think he obviously has annexed and occupied crimia. he's willing to keep ukraine unstable to try to intimidate

the new ukrainin government to back off from their approach to the eu. and i think the only language he understands is one that is very tough. >> and one thing president putin doesn't understand is reset. because secretary of state hillary clinton and president barack obama had a different approach to russia. not so long ago. as i turns out vladimir putin doesn't seem all that reasonable. >> well, it depends on how you look at it. from his point of view, he's quite reasonable. he keeps getting stuff he wants the idea to internationalize this and create a sense of a program against moscow and what is going on this, is a government and a man that invaded and annexed sovereign territory, kept it, and the

world said now, we don't, that is not very two # is the century of you. perfect his point of view, is that is he reasonable? yes he's getting what he wants. now, whether he can hold the line on this, i don't know. but he's rational from a russian point of view. >> one thing seems clear. is that is, he is not afraid of the united states of america at all. >> i think he's afraid of the united states of america. we still have 5 or 6 aircraft carrier groups and a lot of nuclear missles we have huge economic power. we have all that. i think he's not afraid of barack obama the president of the united states. that may be true. but i think he's afraid of the united states of america because we are a pivotal power. >> why does he keep provoking us? >> i think he will do anything he could have to not have had that airliner shot down.

it's bad for business because it brings attention and focus on these nasty reindeer games going on in eastern europe now. all of his acquisitions, this will bring scrutiny and may increase the possibility of something occurring. >> so let's assume vladimir putin has his fingerprints on it and didn't want it. it happened people aligned with him supported it. this happened. barack obama doesn't want it to happen. doesn't want it to happen as a political matter. so what do these two world he'ders do next time they have a little chat president obama found out about thisn a chat with vladimir putin. mr. putin said this jetliner was shot down. it went down. it's very bad, very bad crash. keeping you up to date. tonight we hear the audio, russian guys like oh, yeah. they knew. the only question is how directly they did it. >> now, what the russians will

do, because this is what they have always done, is they will confuse, they will talk about well, it could be these, or that. it could be this. and they will create, we're going to have meetings tomorrow, un security council, it will be very murky the yes, can we do, we talked about what ronald reagan did in 1983. can you rouse the world community to stand together? can you rouse the west to stand together against behavior like this? to create real danger and real possibility? again, we sat and talked during the invasion of crimia and said this couldn't stand, right? surely the world will get together and say not this, is this worse? i don't know. >> chris, thank you for staying late. >> you bet. >> just ahead we're going to hear from congressman peter king. and what the congressman says appears to be a troubling trend

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hours ago. john huddy reporting live tonight from gaza city. what is the latest? >> you know, megyn if you came out here saying what a gorgeous morning? sun is rising now. it's beautiful. then, you hear machine gunfire in the distance, explosions that have been going on as mentioned all night, into the early morning hours here. in fact we just heard several loud explosions. there is a major fight happening just north of us here in north gaza. we're in west gaza city. probably a couple miles north there is a heavy fire fight going on. heavy artillery. things being shot. small-arms fire, machine gunfire, it's been happening probably the last hour, hour and a half.

and this, another heavy explosion there. this as basically the violence continued all night since israel started it's ground operations. now, this is day 11 of operation protective edge. okay? we've seen the air strikes we've seen the artillery we have not seen a ground defensive until now. it's day one of the ground offensive. this is likely to get even worse. it's likely to intensify as now, troops are on the ground here in gaza. megyn? >> john huddy, a long night for you, thank you. joining me now, brooke goldstein. we talked about how is the media going to cover this? part of this is battle for peoples' hearts and minds. and a propaganda war by some. what's happening now, now israel is trying to close down the

tunnels you're seeing the death. you're seeing people get killed in tunnels as they try to get into israel. you're seeing children, wind up murdered in gaza. and you're seeing the reporters come out and start to get very emotional about the death toll they're witnessing with their own eyes. it's important and not helpful for the israeli side. >> it's not helpful for either side for the media to be reporting death tolls that, i think at this point have been shown to be inaccurate. al jazeera reported that the majority of deaths were adult males. yet, we're hearing un report that the majority of deaths are children so i think it's incumbent on the media at this point to report the facts they don't know what the facts are, to say that. and we're also seeing now is a manipulation by the media of the laws of our own conflict. painting israel engaged in a

defensive war right now against hamas, a terror group that started this war with only 8,000 rockets by the way before this. >> that is the thing. you f.you're going to report death toll you have to report the attempted death toll. yes, israel is a more-effective warrior than hamas, but that doesn't mean hamas isn't trying to kill as many israeli citizens as it can at every moment. >> right the irony is that palestinian authority at the united nations came out and condemned hamas for war crimes, for targeting civilians even egypt came out and said if hamas accepted a cease-fire they're given two opportunities. they rejected it. egypt said if they accepted they would save lives. yet, the western media and united nations does not have the

moral coverage to condemn hamas >> there is a read out from a call we had from secretary of state john kerry and prime minister. talking about he tried to get rid of this terrorist infiltration through tunnels and so on, secretary kerry emphasized a need to avoid further escalation, saying he reiterated our concern about safety and security of civilians on both sides and importance of preventing civilian casualties. >> it's a glaring omission of the condemnation of hamas's not just targeting israeli civilians but brutal murder of its own civilians. hamas is an iranian proxy, against the west hamas is using iranian weapons and by continuing to fund the

palestinian authority and given the fact we're engaged in nuclear negotiation was iran, we're sending the message to iran we support their terrorist activity. hamas, and gaza. that is not a position we want to take we have to cease the funding immediately. >> i have to go. i need a quick answer how do you see this ending? >> god willing it ends very soon with minimum civilian casualties with hamas accepting cease-fire >> because it gets pressure by neighbors to do it. >> hopefully. >> brooke, good to see you. in 1983 russians shot down a korean passenger jet a young air force officer was part of the team tasked with finding that aircraft. did you know that? up next, that same officer now retired general, tom mcenernie joins us live with how this

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and 23 americans may have been on board. earlier our chief intelligence correspondent had a chance to speak with the chairman of the house homeland security committee. catherine? >> thank you. within the last hour faa banning u.s. flight operations until further notice in the air space over eastern ukraine citing the recent events the passenger manifest, the list spanning nine nation was the chairman of the house homeland security committee telling fox news he believes mh 17 amounts to an international incident. >> whether intentional or accidental, we don't know the answer to that. either way, it's going to cause an international incident. >> tonight the intelligence community is combing through signal data mentioned earlier, phone calls, messages from rebels and ukraine military searching for key phrases that

indicate targeting or accident. on the technical side analysis includes a sensory capability available to only a handful of nations including u.s., china and russia. these satellites with sensors show a surge or spike in activity when a heat blast is detected, indicating a missile launch and impact. fox news learning deliberations took place and we're told ntsb and fbi are in the mix in an advisory role of the investigation. >> there are going to be unique characteristics of the explosives there will be residue around impact. you're going to look for parts of the missle. they don't vaporize like people think. >> the flight manifest is going

to be run against known data bases to determine whether there are suspicious links and there there was an individual or individuals on board who will make the flight n attractive target. everything in that area will need to be run to ground though there is evidence of a missile strike. megyn. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> back in 1983 russians shot down a korean passenger jet with 60 americans on board a young air force officer tom mcenernie was part of the team. joining us now, general good, to see you. it must be pretty striking to you. >> very similar in many cases i think we'll come up with the who and that is the question what we're looking at. who did this? and maybe the why, megyn. we'll probably use same techniques to find that out. >> how so? in that instance, russians

denied it, then years later admitted they did it. >> years later they admitted it but we had transcripts and secretary of state george shultz read them in un security council four days later president reagan released that. i knew after the incident happened. i was at dcs operations and intelligence i had the a close picture within 12 hours. >> admitting to the crime. but what about tonight? now we have audio communications. they've been released by ukrainins who have an agenda but claim they've got these rebels, whatever you want to call them, pro russian-separatists. talking to actual russian intel guys like kgb-type guys about this shoot down. why would they be reporting? here is a sample of that.

>> the minor group just shot down an airplane. >> pilot? where are the pilots? >> they've gone to look for a photograph of the crashed plane. there is smoke rising. >> how many men to go with this? >> 30 minutes ago. >> what have you got going on there sf >> 100% sure it's a civilian plane. >> are there a lot of people there? >> it's expletive bad. >> it means they wanted to bring spies to us. f them. they should not fly. we're at war here. >> your thoughts? >> well, this is the kind of intelligence we'll piece together. we'll know where that missle was launched from. and that will tell us if it was a separatist, which i believe it was, and we'll know from conversations like that which are part of their command and control of who was involved with it. and those fingerprints will tell us pretty well who it was, but

what i'm afraid of is the administration may not want this to go public and may not want to make it a direct confrontation. it will depend what the administration does. if they continue to release data like this, that was ukrainin data. if they release u.s. data like this, they can make a compelling case of who was involved and who did it. >> what are we supposed to do in response to this, general? >> well, megyn, we're strong in 83. it was 86 the real tilt of our conventional superiority became evident we're so far away. we have been on a path of disparmment for the last six years. there is really nothing much what we can do. here is what i would like us to do. i would like the president to increase defense budget. not to have these cuts we've got. to put two armored divisions back into europe.

when i was there as vice commander in chief of u.s. air force we had 4,000 tanks just the u.s. today we have 0 tanks. putin knows we have disarmed we're continued on that path. and until we send that signal, that we're going to rearm, and become a strong nation, we're going to have a problem, under president reagan, strength through our power, under this president, leading from behind. so, that is not going to work. unless we go back to the old theory that we had of piece through strength. and that is what we need to be and we're not there, megyn. there is not a lot we can do in our european allies are worse, i'm sorry to say that. >> amazing when you see the power of these military tools and you know, the danger that they can reap in the wrong

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breaking tonight we got a new statement from the white house, it reads, quote we do know this occurred in the context of a crisis in ukraine fuelled by russian support by the separatists. joining me now, elise jordan, former speech writer for secretary of state condoleezza rice. good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> here is the state department coming out, condemning this. we haven't heard much on camera from anyone today the president made passing remarks he's been getting beat up a bit about that. what do you think? is it fair? >> you look at hillary clinton she came out stronger saying what ukrainins have said is that this is a russian act of

terrorism. and it is on the part of the rushes and president obama has been out at fund-raisers and yesterday at the press conference one of four agenda items of the world imploding around us he doesn't seem to be -- >> what do you make of the fact john kerry cancelled his event right now? >> i think john kerry is working phones right now, doing what a secretary of state should be doing. i don't think president obama cancelled his fund-raisers and that is a questionable call. >> he never does. we've gone through it. there is a day after benghazi he didn't cancel and so on. i know, this is a phone shall problem of the united states. if we had a number of american citizens on board. it's a potential problem for russia. when stierwalt was explaining. how does it affect what's happening in the world now? >> i think it shows kind of the general trajectory of the obama

policy oer, they don't want to address a problem until gangrene has set in. you can look at the small steps and you know we kept somewhat silent. now we're in a big power struggle. after you know, the chain of events we went from missle defense, look at the red line on syria, there wasn't a red line. >> clearly what's happening there in ukraine, the united states has not been as invested in we've condemned, just yesterday increased our sanctions on them. and i don't, i haven't heard anyone suggest this was in retaliation for that. >> yes. >> but certainly the time line didn't work out that well right? if he didn't want this to happen. >> i think it probably escalated out of control. the russians have provided these to the pro-russian separatists so he's responsible for this

horrible act that, you know we feel for the families now. >> what do you think should be happening now? secretary of state making phone calls but no sooner does he come out with a statement than his spokesperson comes out and says, i want to send out this tweet to everybody on the night we have 298 dead people. great piece by my former colleague defining and i mean, is there any thought to that in these departments how it's going to look? >> it's unfortunate. we didn't have twitter when i was at the state department >> are you thankful? >> i am thankful. usually, people don't seem to be using it. >> won't there be a thought to say how about sensitivity? >> it wasn't the most mature move at the moment. >> certainly. >> so many times making very questionable moves she might want to step away from the twitter. >> yes.

and also, since she can't -- i don't understand the benefit of being so engaged when she can't actually say anything you look at recent statements on israel and gaza. you know? >> it would have been simple. our thoughts and prayers are with the victims. nice, easy. your friend can wait until tomorrow to get praise on an article. just ahead, congressman peter king on z.what the congressman says appears to be a troubling trend regarding the president's leadership.

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breaking tonight the white house not confirming how many, if any americans were on board i spoke with congressman peter

king about the delay in that information >> congressman good to see you tonight. >> do you believe they do not have the manifest for the flight? >> we? the americans? >> generally, i think we do. i think probably the reason they're not acknowledging americans they're going to wait until next of kin is notified. >> but not to confirm of number of americans? yes. i don't know why they won't. to me, when you raise a mystery just creates conspiracy theorys we don't need this, is bad enough without creating extra confusion. >> do you have knowledge of this? >> no. i don't. no. >> is this something you will be briefed on? >> yes. i will be. yes. >> most believe this faction of ukraine is pro russian. and the big question is whether russia had its hands in it or not. do you believe that matters? >> it matters if russia is

directly involved but the fact they supplied weaponry, they have to take responsibility. i think it's important for the president to show leadership here. i think we should deny russian planes landing rights in the u.s. and get our european allies to do the same. why should aircraft be allowed to land into our airports until russia admits what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again. >> if russia had its hands on this, even indirectly, do you believe it's an act of war? >> an act of criminal negligence. russia would have to bear responsibility. >> it's starting to sound like it may have been an accident. these guys were shooting down cargo planes and one had 50 people on them. they shot down a cargo plane monday, then, another yesterday one saturday. 49 people were killed one wednesday they took credit for this,

morning taking credit for shooting down another cargo plane, then, revealed this was a passenger plane they took down the tweet taking credit for taking down a cargo plane. >> yes i would say criminal negligence. russia cannot be guilty of that type of criminal negligence this, isn't a third world banana republic we're talking about. he has to be held accountable we should start with embargoes and doing whatever we can do economically and get our western allies to show guts to go along with us >> we don't want to do it. it's going to hurt us financially. correct? if we put sanctions on russia we have a down side economically? >> in the long run we have to do it. no pain, no gain. i believe again, the president has to show leadership. >> what should he be doing? if early reports turn out to be true, and there are americans on the plane just murdered by guys who received some very dangerous equipment from putin, what

should our president do? >> first shouldn't be at fund-raisers tonight. it's disgraceful. >> what is he thinking? why is he doing that? >> something is missing here. there is something missing whether it's benghazi, now, and what this -- just passes over this. >> it cannot be he does not care. >> it's an emotional barrier he has. again, we've got to las vegas to raise money after americans were killed in again gazy. any president can make a mistake. but this is a pattern. it's a long pattern. times of crisis he seems to just zone out. >> do you think we're going to know who did this? >> we will. >> and they're running away with snefdz >> yes. telemetry will show where missles came from. and materials will show what country it originated in. >> i hope you're right. we'll be right back. aying active arthritis symptoms.

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going to facebook.com with thoughts on the show tonight. thanks for watching everybody. we appreciate you being with us. this is "the kelly file". >> and thank you, sean, breaking this hour the president frafling to the white house as new details and dramatic new audio just comes in. on what looks like the deliberate shoot down of a malaysian jetliner in an attack that killed 298 people with possibly 23 americans among them. welcome to the "kelly file". the president arrived back at the white house after spending the night at two fund-raisers in new york. ed henry will join us in moments first, a dramatic piece of audio tape we just got on the passenger jet shot down over ukraine this