of esculation. and we have said that our understanding is the current military ground operations are designed to deal with the tunnels and we are hopeful thal israel will continue to approach this process in a way that minimizes civilian deaths and all of us are working hard to return to the seize fire that was reached in november of 2012. secretary kerry is working to support egyptian's policy with that. let me close with one comment. on board of mh-17 there were

apparently hundred researchers and advocates travelling to a conference that were hiv experts. they were taken from us in a senseless act of violence and dedicated their life to helping. in the midst of killing there are people like these. people focused on what can be built rather than destroyed. people focused on helping people they never met. people who define themselves not by what makes them different but why the humanity we hold in common. it is important to lift them up and affirm their rights. people have the right to chose

how they live and nations have the right to their own destiny. let me take a couple questions. i will start with you, jewel. >> does the u.s. believe this was targeted and more broadly this incident does escalate the presence in ukraine that we have not seen. does that change your calculus on the response? >> i think it is too early to guess what the intentions of those who might have launched the surface air missile might have had. the investigation is going to be ongoing and we will see additional information surfacing over the next 24 hours,

72-hours, weeks and months. it is important we don't get ahead of the facts and in terms of identifying what individuals or personal ordered the strike or how it came about are still subject to additional information that we will be gathering. and we are working with the entire international community to make sure the focus and -- is

on -- getting to the bottom of this. there has been a lot of misinformation generated in eastern ukraine and this should snap everybody's heads to attention and make sure we don't have time for games or pro propaganda and everybody needs to be held accountable for those who committed the outrage. as you are aware before this terrible incident happened, we pushed sanctions against russiana, i think the concern of russian officials and the markets about the impact this could have on the russian economy is there for all to see. i made it clear to president putin that preferred path would be to resolve this

diplomatically. but he needs to make the decision if they will continue to support violent separatist whose intent is to undermine the government of ukraine. or are they prepared to work with the ukraine for seize and peace? there has been language coming from president putin but we have not seen transition and different action that gives us confidence that is the direction they want to take. we will continue to make clear that as russia engages in

efforts that are supporting this we will increase the capacity. not because we are interested in hurting russia but we believe standing up from a the policy that a country's sovereignty has to be respected and no other country should decide what happens in that country. >> do you see any u.s. military role that could be effected? >> we don't see a u.s. military role beyond what we have been doing in working with our nato partners and some of the baltic state and reassuring them. steve? >> how much blame to you put on putin and is the push for

stronger action now? >> we don't know exactly what happened and i don't want to get ahead of the facts. but, what i do know is we have seen a ticking up of violence in eastern ukraine that despite the evidence of the ukrainian government to abide by seize power and reach out and agree to negotiati negotiations, including with the separatist, have been rebuked. we know they are heavily armed and trained and that is happening because of russian support. it is not possible for the separatist to function the way they are, have the equipment they have, set aside what happened with respect to the

malaysian airlines. a group of separatist can't shoot down military transport planes or fighter jets without sophisticated equipment and training and that is coming from russia. we don't know exactly what happened with respect to the malaysia airlines although we are beginning to draw conclusions given the nature of the shot that was that fired. there are only certainly types of anti-aircraft missiles that can reach up 30,000 feet and shoot down a passenger jet. we have increasing confidence it came from areas controlled by the separatist. but without having a definitive judgment on those issues yet what we do is that the violence taking place is facilitated in

large part because of russian support. and they have the ability to move those separatist in a different direction. if mr. putin makes a decision that we are not going to allow heavy armorments and the flow fighters into ukraine across the ukrainian/russian border then it will stop. if it stops, then the separatist will still have the capacity to enter into negotiations and arrive at the political accommodations that mr. putin himself wants to see. he has the most control over the situation but hasn't exercised it. >> tougher sanctions? >> i think this will be a

wake-up call for europe and the world that there are consequences to an escalating conflict in eastern ukraine. that it isn't going to be localized or contained. what we have seen here is just in one country alone our great allies, the dutch, 150 or more of their citizens being killed. and that i think sadly brings home the degree to which the stakes are high for europe not simply for the ukrainian people. we have to be firm in our resolve in making sure we are supporting ukrainian's efforts to bring about a just seize fire and we can move toward a political solution to this. last question. lisa? >> do we know if other americans were on board and how do you

prevent restrictions without shocking the global economy? >> we have been pretty methodical over the last 24 hours in working through the flight manifest and identifying which passenger might have had a u.s. passport. at this point, the individual that i mentioned is the sole person that we can definitively say was a u.s. or dual citizen. because events are moving so quickly, i don't want to say with absolute certainty that there might not be additional americans but at this stage having worked through the list, been in contact with the malaysian government, which processes the passports as folks

were boarding, this is our best assessment of the number of americans that were killed. obviously that does nothing to l lessen our outrage of the families, regardless of nationality it is heart breaking. with respect to sanctions on the economy, we have consistently tried to taylor them to have an impact on russia and their virgini individuals aiding abedding what they do. the world economy is integrated. russia is a large economy.

there is a lot of financial flows between russia and the rest of the world. but we feel con fidant that this point the sanctions we put in place are imposing a cost russia and their overall impact on the global economy is minimal. it is something we have to pay attention to but i think the treasu treasurey has done a good job. that you can very much. >> president obama just wrapping up a news conference about the malaysian passenger jet shot down over the rebels hell area in ukraine. this is outnumbered. here is harris falkner and fred thompson with us on a busy news day. let's get reaction from the

president's speech from bret baier who is live from washington. bret, take us through some of the president's comments touching on a number of subjects and in fact speaking to vladimer putin as well. >> yeah, kimberly, it was interesting to see the president. he was cautious in what he said about the shoot down saying it was a surface-to-air missile and there was one u.s. citizen on board. it was likely a dual-u.s. dutch citizen he named. he went on to talk about russia and their involvement in ukraine. the president was cautious about we don't know why had happened and the specifics. but the u.s. ambassador of samantha powers was far more

detailed. she laid out how russian separatist had this surface to air missile and were bragging about shooting down jets and posting video of the remains of this commercial airliner. she ticked down reasons why it points to russian separatist with the help of russia getting these sophisticated air missiles. the president didn't go that far. that was interesting. >> i looked at the caution the president seemed to be exercising. and samantha power went further and said russia you must end this war right now. she gave us the information that the missile that shot down the cargo plane on monday came from russia. we got new information from her.

and from the president we got things like there has been improved language. it is like a dueling message. i don't get it. >> there is a u.s. ambassador speaking to the world with far more detail and she ended her speech as you point out russia can end this war and russia must end this war. the president said ukraine, russian separatist, and russian all have the possibility to end the war. it was interesting to note the differences between the two speeches. and the other is the walking the line on israel and gaza as he has done many time and talking about the seize fire push in egypt. >> i talked to richard hoss, the president of the council of foreign relations, and he suggested the thing to watch is germany's next move, europe in

general, but specifically germany who is set to impose further sanctions on russia. did you believe from what we heard from the president we will see europe come closer to the united states on furthering sanctions now? >> i think you will. i think there was a release this morning saying had chancellor of germany talked to france and is advising france not to sell this ship to russia that was in the works. a big purchase by russia. and the fact they are doing that suggests there is a movement and the eu may shift. that would open the door to additional sanctions that the u.s. could help the eu move forward. and you heard the president saying he doesn't see any u.s. military role beyond what they are doing and there is criticism that more can be done as far as lethal weapons for the

ukrainians and helping the other countries around ukraine. >> all right. bret baier we'll see you live at 6 p.m. eastern. and senator, welcome to you again. thank you for being on the couch with us. >> too bad you don't have any news today. >> very touch day. as you listened to the president's comments, what thoughts were going through your head? >> we heard a statement you would hear from a president under this circumstances but who would have thought it would come from him. he started talking about the conflict and if he is not prepared to tag them with this action through their situation

in ukraine why is that relevant to the press conference? everybody knows from this tape and all as samantha powers said who did this and they could have thought it was another cargo plane or something. but i think the problem the president has is he doesn't know what to do and he knows that if he hangs it around putin's neck that he has to do something about it and doesn't know what to do. >> i think you are right. i think he is in a tough position. if he comes out strong and hard against vladimer putin he better be prepared to do something because the world is watching. quick reaction before the break. >> makes me wonder if something happened between the time samantha powers spoke and now? is there new information and the president is holding back? he is more cautious. it is different when the president speaks to the world

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separatist and crane must ad here to an immediate seize fire. evidence must not be tampered w. investigators need to access the crash site and the task of returning those on board to their loved ones need to go forward. >> the president talking about the crash moments ago as we watched it live. we are back with the show. there was one thing the president said that stood out. don't know if you caught it. but he said about president putin of russia he said he has the most power and control over it. senator fred thompson with with us. who is in control? putin. was that surprising? >> no, everybody knows that.

that is as tough as he got. the problem is the president of the united states needs to be careful and measured. if he comes back later when he has all of the facts together and comes with a strong statement people look at the reagan statement in 1983 and all and it is outrageous and this is what happens when you have dictators running thing or don't have a free country that moves into territory and tries to take over other governments. these are the things we are dealing with. putin has the authority to deal with this. i wish he would. if you live by the news cycle then you die by the news cycle. he tries to dominate the media but when it comes at a time like this it maybe early and unfair to presidents nowadays but the world is waiting for him to

express something. and what he expressed is a police report. not a statement of the president of the united states about how outrageous this is and whether it is a function of the russian separatist in eastern ukraine who has been supported there and been uniformed and furnished by the russians. and this is an opportunity to get the whole world on our side while they are watch to get help. at least the europeans maybe who don't seem to be able to help themselves. >> is he missing an opportunity? >> yes >> i wanted to get you back on this. you talked to sources as the

president is speaking that particular this is russia and not the pro-russian separatist. i talked to brett stevens from "the wall street journal" and he pointed out we saw restraint from global leaders yesterday but not putin. the world should be asking why he was jumping to conclusions so quickly. >> this just reiterates what a rogue actor he was. he is not someone you can deal with. at a minimum he is supplying the weapons that should not be supplied to the groups. syria wants weapons so they can take down aircraft but they are not doing that because they know they can shoot down airliners. so it is a serious debate on what kind of weapons they can give them. clearly putin doesn't have that. if they gave it to them or stole

it but they had to be trained to use it. >> some of the reports coming out and you and i were talking about how many pieces of equipment or evidence may have been taken from the scene. see don't know that. we are waiting to see theeds. but there are reports that one of the rebels walked away a black box and they could be headed back to russia. >> and you heard were president saying we need to make sure the evidence isn't tampered with. we talked about it being a forensic-rich environment where the plane crash and where it happened and getting the information from the plane debris and how getting that is so important. and whether there were communications from the cockpit and what transpired in those crucial moments.

now we see someone has come in and removed evidence that could tie russia to this. >> let's take it further. if it happens that a black box is being reported but we don't have independent conformation, what does that do with the political conversation between us and putin? >> that is a good question. >> you have to put this whole thing in the larger context and why it is disappointing the president choses to say the things he did when he had this opportunity. the resets, the moving the missiles out of eastern europe when russia told him to, the whisper of telling putin i can be more flexible after the election, the refusal to furnish arms to the crane ukrainians.

letting russia bail us out with syria. our relationship with russia and the eyes of the rest of the world looks to be one of weakness and accommodation. and you get the feeling that there is a lack of appreciation of the world that we live in. >> and the president said it again, he has the most control over the situation talk about putin. >> it is great to have senator fred thompson on this day. and moving on to someone with a lot of experience with foreign policy. hilary clinton and she is talking about the one thing that could keep her from running for president in 2016. we will tell you what that maybe and what she said. and what she said.

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former secretary of state hilary clinton says she still hasn't decided if she is running for president in 2016 but there is one thing that could keep her out of the race. >> i am about to have my first grand child and i want to see what that feels like. i am not going to skip over it. i want to be present as i meet this new person in our family. but i know the job has only gotten harder. the job is an all consuming.

>> her daughter is due this fall. might be another president. >> i respect what she is saying. i think it is one of the first time in recent memory where i feel like she was putting herself out there and saying i am about to become a grandmother and i want to live in the moment and see what this feels like. i like this. even if it is a political strategy i taught it was smart and good. >> i am just color me skeptical. i feel like it was cynical playing to the women voters. having worked in politics i cannot help but be cynical but i don't buy that she doesn't run for president because she has a grand child.

they ran for president when they had a child. so not a grandchild? >> this is a different answer than she gave the first time. >> a little older. >> senator my side. >> i don't think so. >> no. [laughter] >> the first thing i thought about was change of subject when i heard it. but, no, i can appreciate those sentiments and you do look at things differently as you get older and she is getting the taste of the fact it will not be a cake walk and she is going to be attacked from the left before this is over with. the more see separates herself from obama which she has to do the more people emerge from the other side and there is a battle. >> it sounds like the senator agreeed with me. >> i think he is just that good at what he does. >> but there is overpowering

ambition and that might set it off. >> we have another piece of sound and let's see what sandra and the senator think about this. this is on russia -- >> i think putin is pushing the envelope and he has annexed and occupied crimea and is willing to keep ukraine unstable in order to try intimidate the new ukrainian government to back off from their approach to the eu and the only language he understands is one that is tough, patient and clear. >> senator, your thoughts on her comments. >> well, i thought they are fine. she is again stating the obvious. but i detect a little bit of separation from the president there. and you know that is the road she is going to have to travel

while being careful not to make the left angry with her. but you know -- that is what she's got in front of her: drawing the balance. most people think she is tougher than obama regardless of what they say. she sounds stronger than the president there. >> today she is being quoted which asking what would she do? she would let europe lead on what would happen >> all eyes on germany. >> and the netherlands. they had the biggest loss in this airplane going done and they were the most -- they proposed the most opposition against further sanctions on russia so are you going to see a huge change in sentiment there. >> the problem is russia has to

get involved. >> the country needs leadership and someone better provide it. >> wait until you hear how the deputy attorney general said he learned of the destruction of the e-mails that belonged to lois lerner adding more shock to the growing irs targeting scandal. stay with us. citracal maximum. easily absorbed calcium plus d. beauty is bone deep.

>> a remarkable moment at hearing on the irs target scandal when the justice department number two person said this regarding the e-mails that belonged to lois lerner -- the lost ones. >> we learned on june 13th, 2014 that two years worth of lois lerner e-mails were missing and the irs wouldn't produce those. when did the justice department learn of that? >> i think we learned after that from the press accounts in the paper following the irs

notification to the congress. >> so you actually read about it in the press and no body in the irs ever went to the justice department to give you a heads up knowing you were conducting the investigation that some evidence may have been destroyed. >> not before the 13th of june. >> it seems to be a rash that good use ointment. senator, did you hear about it on the news? >> it works for the president so the others feel like they might join in on that defense, too. but the first thing i thought about is that means they would normally get their information from the fbi and that means the fbi didn't know about it either. so you have the justice department and the fbi, which is a part of the investigative arm

as it were of the justice department, and none of them apparently knew this was going on or happening even though they claim they are doing an investigation. the point here is they have never even started a serious investigation with regard to the e-mails >> that just cut toot to the chase. kristen, having worked on the hill -- scombl >> i didn't work on the hill. >> well you should have. but is this getting serious enough where this is becoming a thing? >> i think this situation is a little different. the problem here is the irs isn't being forthcoming about sharing information. i don't know that it isn't their fault they don't know they are sharing something unless they are coming in and cuffing people and knocking desks over.

i think the irs is problem and when they know congress is looking into this they don't give the information that is being requested and play fast and loose and destroy information. they are becoming a nefarious organization. >> becoming? they have a lot of power in our lives. >> do you think this might be a representation of how much power they have? >> sure. but it tells us we never let harris go home from the breaking news because we better be breaking this 24 hours a day. we are making jokes but this is incredible. and this is an investigation that has been botched from the beginning. >> is this enough? you are an attorney. is i got it from the news an offense? >> i would love to prosecute them all.

the gross imcompetence. they have a loose way with the truth. it is disrespectful to the american people. we are putting trust and confidence in this organization that doesn't deserve it. >> these agencies are going to get out of hand from time to time and that is why you have congressional oversight. congress has an investigative mandate and i go back to watergate. the difference here is that it used to be big stories. the press would get all over this thing and the press would break more than the regular committee would. if they can survive 24 hours and stone wall like they did with this, changes the subject and the mass media changes the

subject along with the administration. >> senator, plain speaking. he is also an actor and starring in the new movie "persecuted" and he will tell us about his new role and what it is like to be a conservative in hollywood when we come back.

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the midst of lives and slanders that will be thrown at them when they are knocked down. and that is what you will do. you will get back up. making silence the truth. >> that was a clip from our one lucky guy persecuted. senator fred thompson says it isn't easy being a conservative in hollywood. >> i like the beard. >> i am glad you said that because i did a commercial and they said people tonight trust people with face hair. >> and our colleague does a great job in this. >> she did a great job and is

probably talking to agents about this now. what about being a hollywood star as a republican? >> a reporter reported that but i don't think the victim role is attractive especially from someone who has been on one of the longest running show and never spent more than two weeks in hollywood at one time. it depends on the particular situation. you never know when something is happening and the call you don't get or something like that. but i see john voight and people

like that. if there is one thing people feel more strongly about in this is money. >> is it true that most of hollywood expresses itself in a liberal way? >> oh, yeah, i thought about why that is and i don't know that.i and they are artistic and idealistic and humain -- humanitarian and their heart is in the right place but they don't see the day-to-day living. i have found the more professional and the bigger the star in any respects the nicer they are and the less likely you are to run into any issue.

paul newman, clint eastwood -- both have strong political views but you would never know it on the movie set. everyone is pulling together and get the job done and professionals are professionals no matter what the setting is. but there are others that keep it down and don't let it be known. >> it is great to get your perspective on that. >> we will be right back. >> we will be right back. are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer coming out tonight! y an multiply. coming out tonight! polident kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains. that's why i recommend polident. [ male announcer ] cleaner, fresher, brighter every day.

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>> thank you to senator fred thompson. we'll see you back here on monday. we have a fox news alert on two international crisis unfolding right now. the president said the eyes of the world are on eastern ukraine and the truth of a global tragedy will come out. ukraine and russia are blaming each other for the attack that left 298 people dead. breaking news, israel expanding the ground offensive in gaza and aimed at taking hamas targets. welcome to a busy hour of happening now. i am jenna lee. >> and i amex rick