russia accuses accuses russia of tampering with the evidence in the crash of malaysian airlines flight 17. international monitors say heavily armed russian separatists are blocking them from having full access to the crash site as many of the bodies lie as they landed amid reports of looting at the site. with signs of at least some russian involvement, critics charge president obama isn't putting enough pressure on president putin. live report from washington and ukraine. plus house foreign affairs chairman ed royce is here. the other big international story, the middle east. by land and by air israel

hammers the gaza strip trying to take out hamas' arsenal but militants keep lobbying rockets back as israeli troops on the ground make interesting discoveries. a live report from the front line. plus governor mike huckabee, a frequent visitor to israel, weighs in. back here at home, our own border crisis over immigration. protests for and against spreading from our southern border to points well north as a new poll shows that some americans now rank the immigration issue as one of our country's most pressing problems. hello, thanks for joining us on this saturday morning. i'm leland vittert. >> and a busy news day as well. i'm heather childers and we are in for uma pemmaraju. "america's news headquarters" starts right now. the ukraine is calling on moscow to insist that pro-russia rebels give international experts access to the crash site and fear that vital information is being taken from the scene.

national security correspondent jennifer griffin has been following the developments from the very start and she joins us now with the latest. hi, jennifer. >> reporter: hi, heather. senior u.s. intelligence officials tell me they believe that this video shows the actual sa-11 missile launcher used to bring down the malaysian plane. it is missing two of its four missiles and shows the missile launcher heading toward the russian border at dawn yesterday. u.s. officials now believe they have pinpointed the launch site for the missile that brought down the plane inside ukraine. in fact they say the sa-11 buk missile was brought across the border from russia in recent weeks. since the malaysian plane went down, russian-backed separatists have been frantically trying to hide it. u.s. officials now believe the launcher is likely back across the border in russia. further, u.s. intelligence analysts now think they have evidence that this local commander ordered the strike just 20 minutes after the plane

went down. igor bezler is overheard talking to a russian military intelligence officer in phone intercepts released by the ukraine government. u.s. officials are conducting voice recognition and believe the audio to be authentic. >> translator: we have just shot down a plane. that was miner's group. it fell down outside enakievo. >> pilots, where are the pilots? >> translator: set off to search for the shot down plane. >> how many minutes ago. >> about 30 minutes ago. >> that surface-to-air missile had to come from russia. the training provided to operation that surface-to-air missile system most likely came from russia. >> that was u.s. defense secretary chuck hagel last night, as one well placed western intelligence source put it to me, we are building a case

and it's pretty near bulletproof at this point. heather. >> thank you, jennifer. we'll check back with you a little bit later. this is not the first time during a crisis he's been thinking about fund-raisers. he's a president of the strongest country on earth. why isn't he insisting on something happening or organizing something happening? no one cares what he says and that's what's happened to american power and influence under his presidency. >> syndicated columnist charles krauthammer sounding off. part of the philosophy of disinterest. charles comments part of mounting criticism for mr. obama's response to the shooting down of the malaysian airliner. chairman of the house foreign affairs committee, congressman ed royce, joins us now to weigh in. congressman, what struck me more about the president's comments yesterday was just how different

they were than his ambassador to the united nations comments earlier in the day. is this an administration talking from two different talking points and what message does that send abroad. >> i think maybe charles krauthammer is exactly right. i think the disengagement of the president on these issues and also his willingness to give away u.s. prestige and leverage. if we think about the fact that we had an interceptor program in poland and the czech republic that was pulled out that would have defended against an iranian missile launch, that was a signal of weakness to russia. so putin looks at the actions of this president. what he sees is a president that is not engaged, that is not strong. he presumes there won't be consequences for his actions. >> it seems as though the much-talked about reset with russia between the united states and russia in terms of relationships didn't really work. does the continued perception of weakness both at home and abroad

play into president putin's continuing to try to bring the soviet union back up from where it was and bring his country back to superpower status? >> this isn't ronald reagan as president. as a consequence, russia will also be emboldened to take other steps. look for a minute in terms of our relationship with iran. we had a circumstance where we had strong legislation to put the types of sanctions on iran which would have given the ayatollah a choice between compromise on its program or economic lapscollapse. we passed it with 400 votes in the house. i'm the author of that bipartisan legislation. in the senate we had 65 votes. the president got involved and prevented it from coming to the floor. so we're dealing without leverage, without significant zen against iran right now. russia looks at that.

hamas launching those iranian-made rockets into -- on to tel aviv and jerusalem, what do you think putin thinks right now about the seriousness of this administration? my concern is he thinks right now that we're not engaged or serious. >> it's often said that history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes and brings to mind the early 1960s. president kennedy at the time by the soviet union's leader was seen as very weak. he wasn't seen as serious. he was not seen as a real leader and that brought about the cuban missile crisis. as you look at the chess pieces on the world stage here, is that where we're headed now, towards yet a bigger crisis because we're not dealing with the little ones strong enough? >> well, we're giving away leverage. and i explained how we gave it away in both negotiations on iran and with the russian reset. now, the one thing we can hope for is that there's enough anger worldwide over the fact that

russia trained these separatists. we know from general breedlove last month, he said the russians are rolling in in tanks, they're bringing in these anti-aircraft missiles, they're training separatists in how to fire them. here we have the consequences of these poorly trained separatists taking out a jetliner. it is going to bring enormous world pressure on putin for him to cease and desist on arming these rebels. now, the question is can the president lead. can he take this reality now of angst and anger around the world and help use it to back up the new president of ukraine, poroshenko, with his peace plan to bring reconciliation and to get the russian forces out of eastern ukraine. that remains to be seen, but that's going to take leadership. >> we'll see if it comes and what message that may or may not send around the world. quickly, though, i want you to weigh in on the issue that you brought up of iran. it was just in the past couple

of days we learned that the deadline for a major nuclear deal now has been stepgded all the way towards the end of the year. a big part of those negotiations and putting pressure on the iranians has been russia. now that you have this new split in u.s./russia relationships, what is the fact that president obama has handled things the way that he has to your point been perceived by president putin as relatively weak, what does that mean going forward for these negotiations to try and end the iranian nuclear program? >> one of my concerns is that one of the ways that iran got this capability was the cooperation with the russians early on. and of course the russians have run interference for the iranian regime. my one hope still is that the russians will see that because iran is such a proliferator, because they transferred to hezbollah, because they transferred to hamas their weapons, that russia will

perceive that given its own problems with radical jihadists in southern russia, which is a huge and growing problem, that they should be part of the solution here and not let iran get this capability for an undetectable, you know, breakout. i think there's still a possibility to speak directly to the russians about their interests, because, believe me, if iran ever gets the ability to do what the ayatollah dreams of with this massive icbm capability that he talks to and the ability for undetectable nuclear breakout, given the way they proliferate weapons out of iran, that should be a threat to russia itself. that's my one hope that we might reach the russians on that subject and strengthen our hand. lastly, i would say -- >> we'll see how well we reach the russians over the next couple of days. obviously there's going to be a

lot of discussions both what we see here and through the back channels. chairman ed royce thank you for joining us on a saturday. obviously you heard what the chairman had to say and a lot of folks had to say on these issues. now it's your turn to weigh in. what do you think about how the president has responded to the crash of malaysian airlines flight 17. if you disagree, how do you think he should have responded? you can tweet us. we are learning more about the one american citizen who was killed on board that malaysian flight, flight 17. he is 19-year-old quinn lucas schansman and he held a dual dutch-american scitizenship. he lived in new jersey as a child and returned to the netherlands when he was 5. he was on a family vacation according to his grandfather. >> you just hope that none of

your children or the grandchildren go before you. and now it has happened. it is the first time it's happened in our family. >> devastating. schansman says his grandson was studying international business in amsterdam. fox news alert. more than 300 palestinians and 1 israeli civilian are dead as a result of the fighting between israeli troops and the palestinian hamas militants, and the violence shows no sign of ending. take a look as our own john hutte had to duck for cover while reporting from gaza. >> reporter: okay. [ bleep ]. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. scary times. >> at this hour the u.n. secretary general is headed to the mideast to see what he can do to help end the latest conflict between israel and hamas. david lee is at the gaza border

and joins us with the very latest. >> reporter: leland, israel at this hour continuing its air strikes over gaza. take a look over my shoulder. off in the distance you can see the large plume of black smoke, this from an air strike that took place less than 30 seconds ago. the palestinians say the intensity of the air strike is increasing. since the conflict began, the israeli military says it has targeted 2,350 different objectives. among them launchers, weapons warehouses and the homes of militants. the conflict so far has displaced thousands of palestinians. israel has warned residents of targeted areas to evacuate. hamas, however, has discouraged them from doing so. 50,000 palestinians now live in u.n. shelters and more than 330 palestinians have been killed, many women and children. forces on the ground who entered gaza say they have met with

little resistance so far. they discovered 13 infiltration tunnels and are now in the process of destroying them. the militants, they continue to launch rockets in the direction of israel. we've seen a number of launches just in the last hour. so far today at least 50 rockets launched by militants. one of them killed an israeli civilian just outside of the town of demoner. i'm just getting word that this is the bloodiest day yet since this conflict got under way for the israeli military. one israeli officer and one soldier was killed today, and some 12 other israeli soldiers were wounded. this happened when militants infiltrated israel using a tunnel. there was a firefight. at least one of the militants was killed. apparently the remaining militants, as many as eight others, made it back to gaza. lastly now, on the diplomatic front, the palestinian

president, mahmoud abbas says that turkey is now on board supporting the egyptian-proposed truce. the palestinian president, soon expected to meet with officials in qatar as well as the exiled hamas leadership. the purpose here, to try and win acceptance from hamas of the egyptian-proposed cease-fire. leland. >> and we'll see if that has any results here over the next couple of days as the violence continues there where david lee miller is reporting live. heather. we'll talk more a little more about that. president obama says he respects israel's right to defending itself but at the same time he's deeply concerned about the number of palestinian civilians being killed. his critics say that his administration shares the blame for the latest offensive. >> i think we have to go back to the failure of the israeli-palestinian peace talks which our secretary of state was so optimistic about and predicted success and it failed.

>> here now with his thoughts, governor mike huckabee, host of huckabee right here on fox news. we appreciate you taking the time to join us. >> good to be with you. it's a sad situation in the middle east and we hope it ends soon, but i understand israel has got to take the action they're taking. it's a defensive measure. hamas never even stopped the firing of rockets during two cease-fires that they had, one of which was a humanitarian so that they could get supplies. it just shows you that they are relentless in their desire to destroy israel. not simply to defend anything. they're not defending, they're offending. >> and when they broke that humanitarian cease-fire, that's when the ground offensive began by israel. i understand on your show this evening, you've actually interviewed a member of the israeli security council. what did they have to say? >> well, tali bennett is the minister of economy and a member of the security council. he gives some very candid remarks about the fact that israel is under siege.

roughly 80% of the israeli population has rockets exploding overhead. and when people say, well, the palestinians have suffered great casualties, they have, but the reason is because they put many of their civilians right in the midst of where those targets are going to be. the israelis have called, they have put out leaflets, they begged them to get out of the way. look, there's going to be some casualties on both sides that should never happen and that's a horrible, horrible thing. but this could stop if hamas would clear out those tunnels, stop the rocket firing and the real reason israel has not suffered huge, and i'm talking tens of thousands of human casualties is because of their superior defense mechanisms, namely the iron dome. so tali bennett talks about that in the interview that we have tonight. >> we actually have some of that that we can air for people as a preview. we can listen. >> the united states is our biggest and best friend and we

appreciate this connection. however, to ask israel to restrain itself after receiving over 1,000 rockets on our towns, i think that's not exactly the right message. i think israel and anyone should not be expected to incur and take hits forever. >> governor, i want to ask you, in terms of the united states and our response, specifically president obama, we frequently hear about how he leads from behind. what do you president obama should be doing given this current crisis, this one right now that's going on between israel and gaza? >> well, i think what he ought to do is to make it very clear that the last american taxpayer dollar has been sent to the palestinian authority until they publicly renounce their partnership with hamas. that's inexcusable. it's frankly illegal. we can't legally give money to a terrorist organization and the state department defines hamas

as just that. that would be the first thing. secondly i'd make it real clear that we fully respect israel's right to defend itself, which the president has said, but then he always follows up with let's hope both sides restrain. hamas is interpreting that as saying we're equals. well, they're not equals because israel has been willing to submit to a cease-fire and hamas has not. hamas is firing into civilian targets intentionally. israel is firing to military targets and sometimes they will, unfortunately, hit civilians, but it's not their intention and they're doing everything that they humanly can to see that it doesn't happen. >> and to warn these folks. >> to say they're equal sides is absurd. >> they take every effort, the israelis, when they are going to target a building, they send off what, warning shots in advance of that amongst other things? >> they send out warning shots that are not actual live fire. they put leaflets out, they call

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comcast business. built for business. welcome back. joining us again, governor mike huckabee. he is here to share his thoughts on the downing of malaysia airlines flight 17. we have almost 300 innocent civilians dead, including one american. the president comes out, he's talking about sanctions and an investigation. what is -- is he doing enough? >> well, when he says we're going to have an investigation, that's fine, but he's going to have to get permission to go there because it's not u.s.-controlled territory. nobody has been able to go and have unrestricted access. the idea of sanctions, the president hasn't been that specific. if we really want to deal with this, we need to look at it as a long-term issue with russia not a short-term reaction to this one incident. it's a horrible, horrible thing to have a civilian airliner shot down apparently by mistake, but those people are dead all the same. so what we would need to hope

for is that if the president is serious, let's turn on the spig ots of american energy. let's bring oil coming out of the ground in america and natural gas. let's become the europeans' new source. let's drive the energy costs to russia down so that they bankrupt. that's what we need to be doing, not simply making speeches. >> do we think that we can get other countries to join us in that effort? >> not without giving them an energy supply, because right now the european nations that ought to be outraged to this are also looking at the fact that if they get too outrage andy make russia mad and russia turns off the energy flow, then they're going to be hurting their own countries. so they're in a tough spot. we need to be saying we're your new supplier. you won't have to deal with the russians, you can deal with us. it's going to be less expensive and the political cost and the human cost is not going to be the same. >> offers solutions and alternatives. thank you so much for joining us, we appreciate it. we'll let you get back to work on your show and everyone at

home, you can always catch governor huckabee's interviews and other topics. tonight he's with natali bennett. it airs at 8:00 eastern right here on fox so tune in for that. protests continue across the country this weekend as people unhappy with the government's handling of the immigration crisis at the border. some want tougher enforcement of immigration laws. some want more lenient treatment of the more than 50,000 unaccompanied children that have crossed the border illegally since october. elizabeth pran is live with reaction from both sides of this ballots. >> reporter: reactions are erupting from both sides. as the governor is allowing the federal government to send 1,000 children caught crossing the border illegally to his state. local supporters such as senator elizabeth warren says the kids are at real risk and every state

should be helping. patrick says it's personal. >> my faith teaches that if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him but rather love him as yourself. >> reporter: and while the president has not visited the border, he is scheduled to meet with the leaders of honduras, el salvador and guatemala on friday, but is that enough to satisfy growing critics, exemplified by hundreds of protests planned over the weekend. a recent gallup poll showing americans' interest in immigration reform has tripled in only a month. in june 5% of those polled say immigration is one of the nation's top problems. this month it's 17%. it's now one of the country's top issues, on par with the economy and unemployment. one texas lawmaker is proposing a bill allowing local communities 90 days to evaluate federal requests to house unaccompanied children. >> tells health and human services to run these detention

centers, that they have to tell the mayors that, yes, we are looking at a place within your city and then stop. give them 90 days to assess the impacts on their communities. >> reporter: while the bill allows communities to hold a public hearing and voice their concerns, the depth of health and human services would still have the final say. true story, heather walks in today after coming in from new york, she goes do you have a diet coke? a little caffeine needed. it's a pick-me-up many of us use but now there's a new warning about that diet coke and caffeine. we'll explain for what it is. >> thanks for giving me that diet coke. plus what action should the u.s. take in the search for answers in the malaysian airlines investigation. we will talk with republican congressman mike turner, a member of the house armed services committee. also israel moves ahead with its ground offensive against hamas. can a cease-fire be negotiated?

former israeli ambassador to the united nations, dan gillerman, standing by after the break.

thanks for staying with us on this saturday. our coverage of malaysian flight 17 tops the news. international monitors say they are being given more access to the crash site, but that heavily armed rebels are still limiting their movements. a u.s. flight disaster expert says a complete investigation into what happened is going to be difficult. >> given the topography, given the political climate and several other aspects, it's going to be very difficult, if not impossible, to conduct a proper investigation. >> the national transportation safety board says it's sending one investigator to ukraine to assist with the crash investigation.

israeli troops have uncovered more than a dozen tunnels into israel used by palestinian militants. israeli military officials say 13 tunnels were discovered and that troops stopped an attempted infiltration by militants through one of them. in the latest round of fighting between israel and hamas, at least four israelis have been killed and more than 300 palestinians have died. the border patrol says that a series of busts near the border in arizona has netted more than $1 million in narcotics. five vehicles and 23 suspects, $1.1 million worth of marijuana was found in a truck at a checkpoint near tucson. here's some pictures of it. in four other agents found a total of 12 illegal immigrants locked in the trunk. the food and drug administration is warning consumers to stay away from caffeine powder. this after the sudden death of a healthy high school senior. an autopsy found the ohio boy had a lethal amount of caffeine

in his body. the fda is continuing to investigate the powder that is sold as a dietary supplement. and those are the top stories right now in today's fox news flash. one of our top stories is the crash of the malaysian flight 17. 300 innocent civilians, almost 300, dead today as a result of this downed aircraft, including one american citizen, dual citizenship. joining me now is congressman mike turner, he's on the armed services committee. thank you for joining us. you came out very strongly the day of this crash and you said that putin bears responsibility. >> absolutely. we already knew before the crash had occurred that putin has opened a war zone in europe. he is training, funding, equipping the rebels. the pro-russian separatists within this portion of ukraine. he has significant number of troops on the border. and already in this area, five other aircraft had been taken down prior to the malaysian

aircraft. two helicopters, a jet fighter and a transport plane. so clearly putin had set in motion by his support and by the creation of this war zone the effects that have now caused this tragic accident. >> so regardless of whether russians fired the shot, the missile that took down this plane, we do know that these pro-russian rebels, separatists, are being trained by russians. >> right. and we don't know yet that russians weren't involved in the shots. all of the analysis currently, plus my briefing yesterday, i can tell you currently based on what ambassador power has said and president obama has said that we know the location the missile has come but we don't know the operators, so it is still premature to say that russia wasn't involved in the chain of command. but we do know that involved, as the president has said, in providing this type of equipment and certainly funding and training these rebels that has resulted in, obviously, a missile taking down this plane.

>> you mentioned this meeting that you had. was anything else said about these audio recordings that's now officials here in the united states are saying that they do believe that they are authentic and this is where a separatist leader on the ground is speaking on the phone to someone within russia, who is a colonel, i believe, is his standing. was there anything said about that? >> i can't tell you what occurs in a classified briefing, but i can certainly tell you as is obvious from the public discussion, you know, these are something where you have someone claiming credit for something that occurred that is obviously an act of murder. you have an ability to draw a dotted line directly to them. i think in this instance the international community, the intelligence community is doing a full-scale analysis of what we knew at the time and who can be held accountable. >> so we have the audio recordings, we have the video released today of the missiles or the launching -- what they were launched from being taken

back allegedly, possibly back into russia. all that being said, moving it forward, what needs to be the ramifications for putin and russia? >> certainly we need to hold russia accountable. but we need to hold them accountable for what's occurring at the crash site today. >> not allowing the investigators in. >> it shows that putin is not part of the international community. that the pro-russian separatists are thugs. they have done this in part to try to do a cover-up of who all was involved and that's what the international community will try to uncover. when they get to the end of this investigation, i think they'll have a great case that putin himself bears responsibility. that means that we need to look at beefing up our military presence in europe, providing military support for ukraine, including training and advice. we need to look at ways to increase sanctions on russia itself, because those are a dial that we can continuously turn up. there's a number of things to do

to really hold russia accountable. >> when we increase sanctions alone, is that enough? how do we get the rest of the international community to join us? >> i think this goes to an issue of human values with russia. we see that in their blocking of the international community, condemning the killing of citizens in syria and in this instance the lack of international community sharing of values with putin is certainly a gulf between us. i think we cannot just do it by sanctions. we have to also look at military might. >> and that's what i wanted to ask you about. we have to wrap up, though. but this comes at a time when we are downsizing the military. >> i think putin will be our best answer as to why our military needs to be reinvested in again. certainly a man who would open a war zone in europe needs to be met with a strong military force. >> but he obviously has no regard for america or regard for president obama. and where do you think that began? and there are other countries that are looking at how we're handling this and how, you know, president putin is basically

thumbing his nose at us. >> well, i think president putin sees that he has no consequences for his actions. there have been days and days of increased war activity in the ukraine with silence coming out of the white house until now. they should have been turning up the heat on him every day. >> so action is the answer. >> absolutely. >> thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your insight. leland. the other big story of course going on on this busy saturday is the israel-gaza conflict involving hamas. as israel digs into its offensive, troops are further into gaza as we speak. my next guest asks if the united states had been attacked by hamas, would we wait the amount of time that the israelis have before firing back? ambassador dan gillerman coming up after the break. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, this can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain, and improve daily physical function so moving is easier.

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hamas is running to their shelters. see, they put their civilians above ground. israel has their civilians in bomb shelters. the people underground in gaza are either the terrorists or their missiles. >> that was the israeli ambassador to the united states defending his country's ground offensive in the gaza strip, vowing to destroy the tunnel system. you're seeing hamas militants in that tunnel system right now. and also that they store their missiles in. ambassador dan gillerman, former israeli ambassador to the united nations and fox news contributor joins us now from tel aviv where

it's almost sunset. ambassador, i want to start with this. the rhetoric that is coming out of jerusalem from the netanyahu government and also the amount of force being used on the ground seems a few orders of magnitude greater than what we have seen in the past. do you get the feeling there that there is a resolve to end this and end the hamas rocket fire, not just put a pause to it? >> i believe the prime minister netanyahu has shown great restraint ten days before going into gaza. the u.s. wouldn't wait ten seconds if one rocket was fired from across the border. israel waited not ten seconds or ten hours, but ten days. now that we're in there, we have to finish the job and make sure that we dismantle hamas. you know, you've been covering extensively the horrific airline with ukraine. just imagine if hamas had ground-to-air missiles and we want to avoid that and we want

to avoid any further shelling of israeli civilians, of women and children. what happened in the ukraine was a mistake. make no mistake, hamas is intentionally shelling israel, firing over 1300 rockets and using its own children as human shields. the u.n. only yesterday discovered 20 rockets in a school. whoever keeps rockets in a school doesn't care for their children. >> you make a good point. i want to get your comment here on some of hamas' tactics. hamas is now using animals as suicide bombs if you will, against israeli troops that are now in gaza. at one time using a donkey and other times using dogs. is hamas getting desperate now that israel has the iron dome and is able to shoot down these missil missiles? is it forcing hamas to become more brazen and try new things? >> well, i'm sure that hamas is

very desperate by israel's iron dome and success of protecting israel. you know, we built the iron dome to protect our women and children. hamas is using its women and children as human shields. but it doesn't surprise me that they use animals because these people are animals. they truly are. they are intent on killing and murderi murdering. this is their philosophy and ideology, and this is why we cannot stop before we put an end to this horrific terror organization, which has been a threat to us and is indeed a monstrous threat to the rest of the world. we are in the front line of the war against terror. if we don't stop them here, they will soon raise their ugly head across the world and fight your war not just our war. >> we know you're in tel aviv right now. we're glad we were able to get through this interview without the rocket sirens going off there. ambassador dan gillerman, thanks for joining us, sir. we'll get some much-needed

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welcome back. another foreign policy crisis for the obama administration. iran and six world powers agree to continue talks for four more months after failing to meet the july 20th deadline to reach a deal on curbing the iranian nuclear program, in exchange for ending sanctions. we're live now with more on this story. hi, molly. >> hi, heather. the talks have been extended until november 24th. but one of the main sticking points is iran's uranium enrichment program. iran wants to produce more than the u.s. believes is necessary for a peaceful nuclear energy program. secretary of state john kerry said he made it quote, crystal clear, to the iranians, who want to have 190,000 spinning centrifuges over eight years. that the u.s. believes even 10,000 would be too many. while kerry says there has been, quote, tangible progress in some

areas of the negotiations, he also says, quote, there are very real gaps on issues such as enrichment capacity at the natanz enrichment facility. this issue is an absolutely critical component of any potential comprehensive agreement. we have much more work to do in this area and in others, as well. since iran is staying at the negotiating table, and has taken some steps toward limiting its nuclear program, u.s. officials say iran will get 2.8 billion dollars in assets that had been previously frozen under u.s. sanctions. that's in addition to more than $6 billion in assets already made available to iran. the top republican on the senate foreign relations committee, bob corker, pressed the obama administration not to allow these negotiations to go on indefinitely. he said, quote, i urge the administration to make it clear there will be no more extensions, which would only further diminish our leverage. republican congressman ed royce, chairman of the house foreign affairs committee, says congress should increase economic pressure on iran right now.

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israeli officials say that ground operations in gaza, they could last as long as two weeks or more. the health ministry in gaza says as many as 335 palestinians have been killed so far in the twelve-day offensive. >> and the violence continues. perhaps the chief reason why israeli casualties aren't more severe is the so-called iron dome. an invisible shield over the jewish state. chief washington correspondent james rosen explains. >> first deployed in the israeli/hamas conflict of 2012, the iron dome system keeps israeli missiles to destroy or deflect rockets fired by hamas and other terrorist groups based in gaza. israeli military officials placed iron dome's success rate in the current conflict at 90%. and the system is a source of national pride for the jewish state. its inventor, israeli brigadier reserve general danny gold, says it provides military and cabinet officers with breathing room.

>> they can actually have political powers. they have time. >> reporter: when four palestinian children were killed on a beach in gaza this week by shelling from an israeli gunboat, these wrenching images focused world attention on instances where the israeli defense force has failed to prevent civilian casualties. but this animated map shows those areas of israel, all with large civilian populations, where hamas and its allies have targeted their rocketfire. and the areas where iron dome has blocked them. retired general twice served as israel's deputy minister of defense. >> i don't want to imagine how israel will look like after a barrage of 1200 missiles in ten days. the devastation, the destruction. iron dome, entirely changed the picture, and the result of this aggression. >> reporter: that fact has led

hamas to look beyond rockets for means of attack, including paramilitary operations, and its first use of a drone. >> a lot of what hamas is doing seems to be more an effort to show the world it can keep firing at israel, rather than to inflict meaningful casualties or damage. >> reporter: aides to secretary of state kerry say they want israel to do more to prevent civilian deaths but they also say they recognize the right of the jewish state to defend itself. >> all right, thanks, james rosen from the state department. shot from the sky. 298 lives lost, and now, worries that many questions will remain unanswered as international monitors say heavily armed russian separatists are keeping them from getting to the crash site, and at this combat zone turned crash site, the victims are piled into body bags, or lie where they landed, as reports of looters surface.

retired navy aviator fox news contributor chuck nash is here to weigh in on the crash investigation. and the former u.s. ambassador to the ukraine is here to break down the far-reaching consequences of the shootdown. and day 12 of israel's offensive into gaza strip, and it shows no sign of letting up. israel pounds the gaza strip as hamas militants keep firing rockets into israel. and as israel pushes its ground game, its troops make a discovery showing militants have been digging in. a live report from the israel/gaza border. and back here at home, our own border crisis over immigration. protests for and against spreading from our southern border to points well north. it comes as congress struggles to agree on funding for the crisis that's left thousands of unaccompanied children alone, and in limbo. what's next? congressman andy harris is here to weigh in. thank you for joining us on this very busy saturday.

i'm leland vittert. >> and i'm heather childers. we're in for uma peng ram u. "america's news headquarters" starts right now. >> we begin with the investigation into the downing of malaysian airlines flight 17, where international monitors have been trying to get better access to the crash site to see if the area has yet been compromised. >> jennifer griffin is monitoring the geopolitical fallout as ukraine accuses russia of helping separatist rebels disturb the evidence at the site. jennifer, what can you tell us? >> heather, senior western intelligence officials tell me they believe this video shows the actual sa-11 missile launcher used to bring down the malaysian plane. it is missing two of its four missiles and shows the missile launcher heading toward the russian border at dawn yesterday. u.s. officials now believe they have pinpointed the launch site for the missile that brought down the plane, inside ukraine.

they say the sa-11 buk missile was brought across the border from russia in recent weeks, and since the malaysian plane went down, russian-backed separatists have been frantically trying to hide it. u.s. officials now believe the launcher is likely back across the border in russia. further, u.s. intelligence analysts now think they have evidence that this former russian military intelligence colonel, igor gherkin strelkov who is leading the separatist movement ordered the strike just 20 minutes after the plane went down. one of his lieutenants is overheard talking to another russian military intelligence officer in phone intercepts released by the ukraine government. u.s. officials are conducting voice recognition and believe the audio to be authentic. >> translator: we have just shot down a plane. that was minor's group. it fell down outside enakievo. pilots. where are the pilots?

>> they're off to search for the shotdown plane and take pictures of them. a plume of smoke is visible. >> how many minutes ago? >> about 20 minutes ago. >> that surface-to-air missile had to come from russia. the training provided to operate that surface-to-air missile system most likely came from russia. >> that was u.s. defense secretary chuck hagel last night as one well-placed western intelligence source put it to me, we are building a case, and it's pretty near bulletproof at this point. heather? >> jennifer griffin joining us live. thank you, jennifer. we're going to continue to talk about this right now. at this hour a 24-member international delegation is at the crash site of malaysia airlines flight 17. but they're saying that armed rebels are restricting its access. this as ukrainian officials accuse russia of helping the rebel separatists destroy evidence at the scene. joining us now to lend his perspective, retired naval aviator and fox news military

analyst chuck nash. thank you so much for joining us. >> pleasure. >> so we were just talking about what jennifer was discussing there, and you know, we have the phone intercepts, we have the video of the alleged launcher. where do you think we need to go from here in terms of getting the evidence that we need to find out who's responsible? >> one of the things that we need to do is a full crash investigation. now, as you say, there's a lot of information that we know from intelligence sources. but we still have to do the basic hard work of collecting the physical evidence, and then following that evidence where it leads. we're going to find parts of the missiles, parts of the missile will have data plates on them. we'll be able to read that and follow it all the way back to almost the point of origin. probably to point of origin. now that may sound irrelevant to a lot of people because it's like, hey, we know the missile shot it down. the intel people have already told us that. but because of the mistrust in the air, you've got the russians, the ukrainians, and the separatists, they don't

trust each other. so for the international community, it's going to be very important to do the hard work, get that critical data, and do it straight up so that there's no denying and the finger pointing stops. >> but at this point they're not even being allowed access to the site. >> right. >> i mean we see the video from the scene. what appear to be random people, farmers and such, going through this evidence, this crash scythe. these poor people, these innocent civilians that died being covered with blankets and plastic, and then where bodies are being located, flags with white rags, so people know that there's body parts there. how do we get in to that site? and it's been so long at this point, is it going to be worth it? >> absolutely it will be worth it. but the longer the debris field is manipulated and disturbed, that starts to take away from quality of the investigation. the investigators are going to be looking for some key things.

where does the debris start? if the debris starts miles from where you're describing, then that shows that the airplane started coming apart back then. they're going to look at the radar tapes. they're going to determine the rate of descent of the aircraft. was it spiraling out of control? was it gliding? and you put all of these things together and pretty soon you have a very concrete understanding of what happened. now, you tie that fact to the missile launch, and you put in the intelligence data, and this thing will tell a story from start to finish. almost as if you were sitting there watching the whole thing happen in front of you. >> and what do you perceive that story to be? i mean you've watched the video. you've seen what we've seen, the pictures coming from the crash site. you've also seen the evidence that it came in from the radar systems where we immediately almost determined that it was a missile that shot it down. what do you think? >> i think what we're going to find is what was discussed very

early on when strelkov put on the facebook page, we shot down a 26. think it was mistaken identity. it was the separatists who did it. they were in league with russian trainers. certainly there was some support there and whether they fired one missile, and then fired a second missile right behind it, that will be determined by the active investigation. i think it was a case of mistaken identity, an aircraft that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, over a contested area. >> okay. i hate to wrap you up now but i would like your thoughts in about 30 seconds on how president obama has handled this. >> well, at this point he has to get all of the data, and obviously, using the intelligence sources, i think the best statement that's come out of our government was by our ambassador to the united nations -- >> samantha powers. >> samantha powers clearly laid out the case, and i think she did so definitively and with --

>> authority. why did they allow her to do that, but not the president? >> perhaps the president wants to remain a little bit more detached until the information is conclusive. but i think ambassador powers did a magnificent job. >> thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your insight on this busy news day. thank you. leland? alert from the middle east. the 12-day israeli offensive against the gaza strip is showing no signs of letting up, after days of air strikes, israel is now in day two of its ground campaign. so far, troops have uncovered more than a dozen cross border tunnels used by hamas. david lee miller is on the israel/gaza border and joins us now with the latest. david lee? >> leland, this is the bloodiest day so far for the israelis during this current conflict. one israeli soldier, one officer, and 12 other israeli soldiers, though they were killed, and 12 were wounded,

when there was an incursion militants crossed the border using a tunnel. again one israeli soldier, one officer killed, 12 other israelis soldiers were wounded. one of the militants was also killed when this skirmish took place. it took place not far from central gaza. the entire area across the border in israel was on lockdown. roads were closed. residents were told that they were not to leave their homes. as you would imagine, it was a very tense situation. we were there on the ground as israeli forces tried to secure the region. while israeli soldiers are now in gaza trying to locate and destroy tunnels not far from the border, there are a number of israeli soldiers lying in wait, just a short time ago, a number of militants apparently crossed the border, using a tunnel. and this is a secure zone. okay. thank you. it is a secure zone, and as we were -- as i was saying, the

situation remains tense. the fear is, there could be, could be additional infiltration. this now, as soldiers lie in wait, a number of militants have been killed, the fear is some of them got away, and are successfully now in israel, looking to commit some type of kidnapping, or possibly catastrophic attack. we now know that only one of the militants was, in fact, killed. as many as eight others were age to make their way across the border. meanwhile, during the past several hours, the air strikes over gaza continue. palestinians say the israeli air strikes have intensified. as many as 50,000 palestinians are now living in u.n. shelters. today's funerals were held, for some of those who had been killed. the palestinian death toll in this conflict now stands at 330, and that includes many women and children.

despite the onslaught overhead the rocket assaults also continues, palestinian militants continuing to fire rockets into israel. today more than 90 rockets were fired. and lastly now, on the diplomatic front, some new developments here. a short time ago we learned that the exiled hamas leadership has now been called to cairo for talks there with the egyptians to discuss the egyptian peace -- or cease-fire initiative. one new condition that is being talked about is the possibility of putting on the ground international observers. this is a new wrinkle in the proposed egyptian truce. we expect you'll learn more in the next few hours. possibly tomorrow there could be new developments. also in the region, the secretary-general for the united nations. leland? >> david lee miller on the border there near gaza. i got to tell you, i would say that was really scary stuff.

i'm not sure scary is enough of an adjective to describe it. incredible reporting to see what israelis are going through on a daily basis. david lee miller and team, thank you. we're going to get much-needed answers on isr investigation into flight 17 tomorrow on fox news sunday. secretary of state john kerry joins chris wallace. check your local listings for the time and channel. and still ahead, ukraine levels yet another accusation against russia in the downing of a malaysian jetliner with 298 on board. with all of the obstacles standing in the way, is there any chance of a complete investigation? lieutenant general tom mcinerny will weigh in. that is coming up. and more details are emerging about the american confirmed as a victim of that crash. it is a tragic story. we are going to hear from the teenager's grandfather coming up next. and firefighters are frying to get a handle on massive

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welcome back. today malaysia airlines released a full list of passengers and crew that were on board the downed jetliner. the boeing 777 was carrying 298 people from 13 nations. and we're learning more about the only american confirmed as a victim of the crash. he's 19-year-old quinn lucas schansman. he held a dual dutch/american citizenship. his family says schansman lived in new jersey as a child and returned to the netherlands when he was 5. he was on his way to a family vacation, according to his grandfath grandfather. >> you just hope that none of your children or the grandchildren will go before you. and now it has happened. this is the first time it's happened in our family. >> so hard to listen to that. schansman says that his grandson was studying international

business in amsterdam. the consequences of the crash are being felt far from the crash site. around the world, really, and with signs of at least some russian involvement, what does this mean for the strained relationship between washington and moscow? and will this end up turning into a crisis, a continually growing crisis in ukraine? or perhaps as a turning point there? former u.s. ambassador to ukraine john hurst joins me now. mr. ambassador i want to start with this. a lot of people are saying there is some russian involvement. it seems like by the time you have the intelligence services here talking about how igor strelkov being involved intimately in what's going on, former kgb or some part of the russian military, and you just said right now there's more russian agents heading in there. this is more than russian involvement. this is russian leadership. >> what you have right now is not a civil war in ukraine. you have a russian-led irregular war there against ukraine. the military operations are

under the control of colonel igor kirken strelkov who is either current or former current of the gru or fsc. another important military figure is lieutenant colonel igor bezler, also former russian military officer. the head of the donetsk people's republic is a muscovite who is a political consultant. and they're bringing in from transnistria another place they're conducting an irregular war against the government of moldova, they're bringing in mr. anateve. >> the leadership of this entire eastern part of the ukraine and military is the russian military or these russians -- >> are russian citizens and russian military that's right. >> obviously a very different story than we get from the kremlin. when it comes to the ukrainian government itself, they seem ineffective at best to try to be

able to deal with this. is their military unable? do they lack the political will? >> i would disagree with you. >> okay. >> i would say that for the first six or so weeks after the russians irregular war began in eastern ukraine the ukrainian military and police and their secret police were unable to deal with it. after mr. poroshenko was elected president, he said i'm going to take back the east. he began a vetting process in all of his security services. because the russians had penetrated all the security services. he began a vetting process, and they've located, they've identified a core of people in the military, in the police, who are reliable. and they've began an effective counteroffensive. it began in early june. and in response to that offensive the kremlin began to send in more heavy equipment. so t-64 tanks. >> the tanks -- >> first the missiles that went in in june, and now these -- >> aircraft -- i'm sorry.

you've obviously spent a lot of time in u.s. embassies around the world, including in moscow. >> that's right. >> the way the administration is reacting to this, samantha power going before the u.n. laying out a case and the president sort of stepping back the talking points in a significant way. what message is this sending not only to our allies but our enemies around the world? >> well, i'm not certain if the president's caution is subject to criticism. i remember after september 11th, it took us about a week before we set al qaeda had done it. although there was intel right away that suggested it. so it depends what he comes out in the end. but, the administration has done one thing moderately well, and that is to stop the russian aggression against ukraine you have to impose serious costs on the kremlin. there are two ways to do that, sanctions where the administration's policy has been solid, not great but solid. and providing military equipment to the ukraines where the administration has said no which is a serious mistake. >> you think we should send military equipment and lethal aids --

>> i think -- the aircraft weaponry in light of what they're doing now with missiles, mainly being surface-to-air support for the ukrainians. >> dangerous police in the world for sure mr. ambassador. thanks for joining us. we appreciate your insight, as this continues to develop. seems like it's going to go on for awhile. and of course goes without saying, as we've seen just the past few minutes as david lee miller reporting in a war zone is very dangerous. >> okay, [ bleep ] whoa, whoa, whoa. our fox news team including john huddy who you're watching right now has the very latest on the fighting coming up. and then lieutenant general tom mcinerny on the investigation into the crash of that malaysian jetliner when we come back. t!

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israel and hamas militants in the gaza strip has produced hundreds of casualties. mostly on the palestinian side. and diplomats are scrambling to revive efforts to negotiate a cease-fire. fox news reporter john huddy has been reporting on the story and nearly became part of that story when a mortar came a little too close for comfort. take a look. >> okay. [ bleep ] whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! today was -- >> we will get some perspective on developments in the middle east coming up next when we talk with general mcinerny who will have more on that. >> the dutch prime minister says he has had what he describes as an extremely intense telephone conversation, excuse me, with president vladimir putin of russia. he says he urged him to, quote, show the world he intends to help in the investigation into the ukraine's air disaster. we'll see if that actually makes any difference. >> this as new video has

surfaced of the actual rocket launcher we believe was used to bring down that plane. national security correspondent has been following the developments and joins us now with more. talk to us a little bit more of the video that has been released of this potential possible launcher. >> this is significant because this video came outeleased by the ukraine interior ministry yesterday. but i have since spoken to western intelligence sources who have confirmed that they believe that is the actual sa-11 launcher that was used to fire at least one missile at the malaysian plane. they've been following this rocket launcher since the plane went down, and according to my sources, there has been an effort to hide the launcher by the russian separatists. it's been moved around. and when it was seen yesterday in this video that was released by the interior ministry, it was filmed by a ukrainian police unit at about dawn and it was heading towards the border with

russia. u.s. intelligence sources tell me they believe that that rocket launcher is now back in russia -- >> and there are two missiles missing? >> that's right. and that is a little bit -- that is a little bit surprising, because the belief was that one missile had been fired at the plane. what this leads -- remember the sa-11 carries four missiles on its back, the back of this truck, and what it suggests is, perhaps two missiles were fired at that plane to bring down that plane. but also, you can't rule out the possibility that one of those missiles was used on monday, when, remember, an antonov 26 ukrainian cargo plane was brought down by the russian separatists. >> jennifer, i got to say your reporting from the very first few minutes of this has been incredible as you've broken things along. all of us here in the washington bureau are jealous of your sources within the intelligence and military community. i want to ask you as you talk to these folks do you get the sense that they feel like, number one, that russia is doubling down on things? and number two, there's been all

this discussion, is it the separatists, is it the russians? do they feel they're different and discreet groups or as the ambassador was saying earlier that the russians and separatists are one and the same being controlled by moscow? >> remember the separatists are not local farmers and teachers who have decided to rise up against the ukraine government. to call this is a civil war is really a misnamer. what this is and what we have seen since the crimea invasion by moscowere moscow-backed intelligence officers who were sent in with heavy weaponry to create a provocation and to find ethnic russians inside ukraine to break away from the ukraine central government. so, that is what you're seeing. and this character that we're now talking about igor strelkov, igor girkin, if you will, a former colonel in the russian military intelligence. he is from moscow. he is not a local ukrainian ethnic russian, and they call him a separatist. but what is he doing in ukraine

right now? he is leading. he calls himself the defense minister for the separatists. and we now believe u.s. intelligence now believes that he oversaw the sa-11 missile that was fired at the plane. >> he's the one who's on the tape that's been being passed around or allegedly he's the one on the tape -- >> no, he is separate from igor belzar who is his lieutenant who is on that intercepted phone call that was released by the ukraine interior ministry in recent days. we hear igor belzar talking to a different russian military intelligence back inside russia in those initial 20 minutes after the malaysian plane went down he says we brought down the plane. but belzar reports to bellekov. >> it was later, in the same case released by the ukrainian government an hour later or so you saw another phone call that came out and that said oh, we shot down a plane and they're none too pleased it was a commercialer airliner -- >> that's when it set in. they were bragging about this. don't forget there are deleted

social media posts by these so-called referenced separatists in ukraine, including ones from strelkov in which they brag about bringing down a plane at exactly the same moment that the malaysian plane came down. again, they thought from what it appears, they thought they were firing at a ukraine cargo jet. it was only once they got to the ground that they realized that they had hit a passenger plane. >> and in the days before, possibly with that one of those two missiles that you mention. pause for just a moment because we're going to bring in lieutenant general tom mcinerny into the discussion. he led the search and rescue operations for the korean airlines flight that was shot down by the russian military back in 1983. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> so as you're listening to this discussion with jennifer, and all of the evidence that seems to be mounting in terms of who is responsible, who is involved, russia and the separatists in ukraine, what are your thoughts? >> well, the fact is, the crash scene itself is not going to

offer us very much. there's a major humanitarian crisis that they haven't gotten in there yet. but, all this information is going to come from our intelligence sources, both ours and our allies, and jennifer was talking about the signals intelligence and listening to the different people talking, the social media, all that. that is part of our knowledge base. in addition this was part of an integrated air defense system that the russians had. and that tell, that tractor erector launcher that has the four missiles on it, that tel was part of the russian integrated air defense system. now what happened was, they did not use their transponder mode. they only used their radar mode and they picked up and they bought the wrong target, as we say in the business, and if they'd have clicked over to the transponder mode they would have been able to see that that was

mh17, at 33,000 feet. but they didn't do that, and that probably has something to do with their experience. they clearly were, you know, they may be called separatist, but they're really probably russian forces that are in there doing this. not probably. they are. and they're leading it. and the fact is, is all being controlled directly out of moscow by president putin himself. >> and thinking of things being controlled out of moscow, we mentioned that you led the search and rescue operations for the korean airliner that was shot down by the russian military. that was back in 1983. compare the situation today. i mean it's drastically different in the age of social media. you mentioned that. and also in the age of 24-hour news cycle. and the amount of information that can be shared amongst countries so quickly. the investigation itself, do you believe it has been drastically compromised at this point

because we haven't been able to get in there? >> no, i do not. but, i knew hours after cal-007 was shot down what had happened. i was the deputy chief of staff for operations and intelligence at pacific air force. so i knew exactly what happened. four days later, president reagan authorized secretary schultz to release the tape recordings of the russian pilot flying up and identifying the aircraft as korean airlines, civilian aircraft 747, and then he was given orders, because it was in russian air space, he was given orders by the russians to shoot it down. now, the same process that we are learning all this information through the signals intelligence and other, because we know the -- here we're in better shape because we know the exact position that that sa-11 was fired from in a meter

distance. so we know that because we have different technologies available to us today. now, what is the president going to do about this? we know what president reagan did. and he went to the world, secretary schultz went to the u.n. security council, only unless we bring world opinion to go after moscow for being accountable with the blood on their hands, are we going to accomplish anything. >> all right, general. we want to see how that plays out. obviously there's been a lot of people making a drastic distinction here between how president reagan handled the korean air crisis back when you were involved in the investigation, and obviously how president obama is handling the malaysian airline shootdown here now general mcinerny, thanks for joining us. we appreciate your help bringing in later as this conversation continues into the investigation. jennifer, i want to go back to your reporting now here in this crisis that has unfolded. do you get the sense from your sources that they had a really good idea about what's going on

and maybe aren't telling us everything? not everything's come out? or perhaps that everyone's still trying to figure out exactly what happened. >> well, according to my sources, they have a preponderance of evidence right now. they aren't having trouble making their case. they're trying to they'll down a few details. but they know where it was fired from. they have a good idea of who fired it. they are looking for a few pieces, but they feel that they have a very strong case. also, remember, the russians still have 10,000 to 12,000 troops on the border with ukraine. there's been no order since the plane went down for them to withdraw. those are heavily armed troops. they are as general mcinerny mentioned, these are integrated systems that are working to protect them. and those troops, you don't see russia pulling back because right now they're trying to clean up the evidence. >> and right now the separatists still control the crash scene as also you can't get any investigators inside. >> and putin could make the call right now and say allow these investigators into the site, and would that happen?

>> they're too busy covering up right now. and there's no sense of remorse. there's no sense -- they realize that the u.s. intel community has been nailed on this and now the question is how is this going to play out into the sort of global chess game that's going on right now in terms of russia being involved with the u.s., in issues like the iran nuclear talks. how will this be used? because the case is clear. the evidence is very clear, it's not a question of who or where or what happens. it's now a question of how will we use this to our advantage? >> your point, there's so many moving pieces. jennifer griffin our national security correspondent, thanks. incredible reporting. still ahead, more than 50,000 illegal immigrant children trying to find a home in america. and that number expected to rise. so what should be done about it? protests on both sides of the issue. we will have a live report coming up.

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massachusetts is offering housing at carve edwards military base and westover air reserve base to accommodate 1,000 children caught crossing the border illegally. local reporters such as senator elizabeth warren say the kids are at real risk and every state able to help should. governor duvall patrick says for him it's personal. >> the point is, that this good nation is great. when we open our doors, and our hearts to needy children and diminish when we don't. >> the leers of honduras, el salvador and guatemala, but is that enough to satisfy growing critics across the country you see on your screen there. a recent gallup poll survey shows america's interest in immigration reform has tripled in only a month. in june, 5% of those polled said immigration is one of the nation's top problems. this month it's 17%. now one of the country's top

issues on policy. now one lawmaker is proposing a bill allowing communities 90 day s for unaccompanied children. >> we have to find a place here in america. we do know who bears the cost of that burden. our local mayors. our local communities. >> but the bill does allow communities to hold public hearings and voice their concerns but the department of health and human services still has the final say. heather, leland, back to you. >> elizabeth prann live for us. thank you. maryland congressman andy harris helped block a plan that would bring some of the immigrants to a housing facility near his district. in maryland, he joins us now live for more on the discussion. congressman i want to start with this, there's a lot of folks all over the country especially in sort of the northern states that don't really understand how the immigration issue affects them. you have all these kids down on the border in near mexico. but is your pointed out here

this is really becoming a nationwide problem as the administration figures out where to try and move these people to. >> absolutely. if they haven't figured it out yet those people in northern states ought to pay attention. because in maryland they tried to move these illegal alien children here and they're still trying to. >> congressman harris, i read some of the things that you've had to say about this, and amongst them is, you talk about the health issues. and the risk that these children could bring in terms of bringing that into the community. >> that's right. we just don't know what -- because hhs is not being clear with us about what these health issues are, what the incidence of the diseases are in these children. in their rush to move them out to these facilities we understand that in one of the border areas, there actually wasn't a disease check before they got moved out of the border areas. these are requests that just have to be answered before we know the safety of the hhs

plans. we just don't know what those plans are. >> so let's talk about the monetary costs. president obama, he submitted a request $4.3 billion. supplemental spending request to help handle this crisis at the border. that was two weeks ago. the i.c.e., let's see was it homeland security secretary jay johnson saying if lawmakers don't act soon there could be trouble. what needs to be done? >> what needs to be done is the humanitarian thing which is actually to hold these hearings as soon as possible, these children are entitled to, and then repatriate them back to their mothers and fathers and families back in central america. to discourage what's going to be now 10,000 children a month coming to the united states. >> and how much does it cost to fly these children to states like maryland, and then turn around and fly them back before we send them home? >> it just seems to make no sense but the department of

health and human services has asked for over $1.5 billion with no plan on how this is all going to end. >> all right. congressman harris, thanks for joining us from maryland. we appreciate it. and your insights here, as this immigration topic continues to capture the head lines, at least it did up until we had these two other major stories. really continuing all throughout this summer as you're dealing with the humanitarian issue of all of these people here. >> humanitarian crisis, it's also a budget crisis, and we need to continue to talk about it. i'm glad that we had him on. >> and a security crisis, as well. all right. still ahead, with two major air crashes in the span of five months, can malaysia airlines survive? we'll have that story up next. many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria

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today malaysian airlines released the full list of passengers and crew who were aboard flight 17 when it went down. it also appeals to family and friends of the victims to contact the carrier malaysian airlines so it can get a full profile of the next of kin. there were 298 people from 13 nations on the flight including 192 dutch citizens. in the netherlands forensic teams are fanning out throughout the country. they are collecting dna samples and other material they hope

will identify the victims. the crash of flight 17 comes not long after flight 370 disappeared from radar screens on a flight from kuala lumpur to beijing. two disasters in the span of five months have people wondering if the carrier will be able to survive. malaysian airlines is 69% owned by a malaysian state investment firm. it has already been suffering from years of poor performance. and the airline employs just about 20,000 workers. in other news, eight people are dead in china after a powerful typhoon ripped through the country. the storm brought flooding rains and winds up to 130 miles per hour. officials say this is the strongest typhoon to hit southern china in 41 years. the storm also killed more than 70 people in the philippines earlier in the week. and as many as 50 wildfires burning across washington state today.

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we told you a lot about a lot of bad news so far this saturday. now for some good news. these next two stories are proof america's young people really can make a difference. 5-year-old presley keaton is responsible for making her west lake, ohio, street a little bit safer. the little girl likes to play outside, but didn't feel safe because of the speeding cars. so she wrote a letter to the police chief and asked them to come take a look for themselves. and get this. there's the letter. and they came. >> busy. >> oh, okay. and you don't like it when it's busy, i take it, huh? >> when she decided to do it, i thought there's no better person to maybe get their attention than a 5-year-old. if a 5-year-old notices it's a problem, then it's probably a big issue. >> there's still more speeders to catch. >> i wouldn't want her on my case. it only took an hour to catch a

handful of speeders breaking the 25 mile-an-hour speed limit. >> and presley isn't alone. an 8-year-old boy in indiana is raising money to protect the police officers in his town. jason troxel set a goal of $10,000 to beef up the bulletproof vests that officers wear in his city with metal plates. he is doing it to honor an officer that was killed while wearing a bulletproof vest. he met his goal in just four days. he is at $12,000 in counting and you can find out more about his cause on twitter. and before we go, we ask you at home what do you think about how the president has responded to the crash of malaysia airlines flight 17. and we have been getting a lot of answers. >> andy wrote i felt like he didn't know what to do or even what to feel, what to say. i don't feel like he was resolute throughout the situation. >> and jim said obama should

have come down hard with immediate sanctions. >> that does it for us here in washington. "journal editorial report" is up next. >> and stay with us throughout the day for the latest developments on all of these stories. bye. this week on "the journal editorial report," the downing of a passenger jet raises the stakes dramatically in the crisis. how should the west respond? plus the obama administration calls it economic patriotism. paying the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. so should american companies be punished for moving overseas? and are you ready for liz warren? the 2016 cries are getting louder as she hits the campaign trail for fellow democrats. could she up-end hillary clinton's presidential plan? welcome to "the journal editorial report."