defiance never grows old. citracal maximum. easily absorbed calcium plus d. beauty is bone deep. americans could travel without a passport, and we didn't have to show an i.d. when buying beer or checking into a hotel, taxes were low, and businesses relatively unregulateed, america became prosperous because of that. and without a minimum wage. ys saw their wages doubled. it seems like it is either pro heub i said or mandateed. -- prohibited or mandateed. do we live in a p police state? is big brother here? i don't know, but i'm here, with several thousand people. we're about to argue about

whether big brother is here, and what to do about it, that is our show tonight. >> we're in las vegas for a special edition of our show. i am joined by almost 2000 people, who care enough about liberty to come here to a conference called, freedom fest. world's largest gathering of free minds this year's freedom fest topic is big brother. the phrase comes from george orwell's 1984. about the future where people are watched. big brother is watching to scare people who might oppose the regime. is that america today? this group says yes, and yes say

people protea party groups like matt, and jenny. but before we talk to you. let's talk about another way some say government controls us by manipulating our money. and you say that is a form of big brother, steve "forbes" what do you mine? >> money is measure of value. it picks winners and loser when the government regulates it, it hurts the economy. our growth rates are falling. >> what do you mean manipulate, they want to keep it stable? >> stable, they keep changing the value.

imagine if they did that to ti time. john: they do this by printing more money, and buying bonds in other ways. >> it will cost a typical american family $1000 each year. john: people on the left, we have your support? say 2% inflation is pretty good we need to have this to boost the economy, and end unemployment. >> that hurts the economy. john: are they all stupid? they went to fancy schools. >> well, they once thought the sun revolveed around the earth, some are still in the universities today.

in the economic department. john: data i have showed before the fed there were 9 recessions in 30 years before, 30 years after. 6 recessions. fewer, last 30 years, 3 recessions, and maybe they are doing something right? >> no, john. they look back andal waugs say it iallenwastler -- always say a recession. we pay the price for it. john: gold is just as a metal why pick it for value? >> better than anything else, after years of experience, in terms of intrinsic value, gold keeps the intrinsic value better than anything else. if in private sector you counterfeit, you go to jail, if the government they call it stimulus.

>> a lot of people here are worryed about massive inflation, i am worryed about it too. so they buy gold, how many of you have bought gold? i would say most put your hands up. how do people buy it? i have some with me. they sell things like, this is a one ounce coin. 1300 dollars, and advantage of these is what? if there is massive inflation and costs $5,000 for a loaf of bred, the baker will know the value of this? and will honor this? >> goal always survive -- gold always survives politicians that is why it is not so much an investment but a form of insurance. against malpractice, economic malpractice by your authorities. john: some of have you bought silver like this. $200 world. other part of the nanny state,

you for tea party. you got picked on by the irs? spyed. that certainly big brother. >> held up our nonprofit status for our tax application. john: because the rule is you are not supposed to be too closely aligned with politicians. >> the rule that has been in place since 1957, all of a sudden in 202 2010 they had troe understanding what that rule meant. john: tea party's checked out at a rate 10 times more than others. >> conservative groups targeted 100%, so, the inspector general said that. john: what targeted means not just so us your paperwork, it was show us this then show us that, and again, and again. >> show us -- they asked a lot of questions. john: what was on your facebook

page? the password, every speech you gave. gave. >> speeches, not just speeches that i gave but people of speeches that came and spoke at our events, and after they, many people around the country afraid to speak out, because, they are afraid to be associated with us -- they may get audited. john: you would answer the questions they would come back with more. >> and they would delay, and delay, and delay, as they were waiting to ask the questions. john: you are doing something right, have you 1.3 million facebook fans? >> yes. john: and matt, you wrote a book, "don't hurt people," what is your points? >> my points is that the value of liberty you that night us are simple. it is abou what your mom taught, don't hurt people, don't take their stuff, take responsible for your own actions, this is

basic rules that apply to everyone that subscribes to kwhr-d oideaof liberty, differeu don't know what their agenda is, but you know they have the ability to target you, because you might hurt them, that is what is so scare bewhat is going on today, a rule of man not the rule of law, our argument is simple. we should treat everyone just like everyone else. john: clear fi, that rule of man versus rule of law? a lot of people say i would like someone to make a judgment, that rule of man sounds adjust inthan rulableablethan rule of law. >> 2 words, lois lerner. >> our letters were signed by lois lerner and -- >> a lot of americans want

anonymous bureaucrats to act because some people want to kill us. so the nsa, gathers data and says it is protects us from terrorists. what is your problem with that? >> lindsey graham said this is fine because he said that if you do nothing wrong, have you nothing to hide. john: this is the republican senator from south carolina. >> sort of a republican, yes. john: if you do nothing wrong you have nothing hide, a lot woupl agree would agree. >> they have targeted every single american-made a phone call since 2006, they have your data your stuff, we know that nsa is just like the irs, they are not useing it to protect us, they are iceing it to target -- useing it to target certain people with agendas, they have gone afternoon old girlfriends and old boyfriends, if they do it to them, why wouldn't they do

it to us. john: mostly old girlfriends, a name for it love hits, i just to see where she was. how have they gotten us? they have not locked people up. washington post said some attacks were prevented. >> it is not what they have done, it is what they can do, lois lerner has proven the points, you cannot trust anybody, nobody is good enough, stpharstart enough -- smart enor virtuous enough to have this power over the rights of all americans. >> let's talk about big brother part, we may not agree. steve, i add mich what have you done. you -- admire for what you have done, fighting for economic freedom. but on some social issues, i think you are big brother. >> that is what my daughters say. john: you are supposed to be an authority to your kids that is

different. but, you don't' me to have the right to kill myself if i am old and sick? you don't think that people should have a right to assisted suicide. >> doctors are supposeded to save lives not kill lives. >> is that a police state too, it is my life. >> how about -- how about. john: illegal drugs, my body, condition i take what i want? >> with the liquor have you certain ages, and certain rules. because, certain ages you may not make the right decision. >decision. john: age 21 i can have heroin? >> no, because heroin is one of those drugs that when you take it, it is unmerciful. smoking, booze, you take it you can usely get over it girlfriends you usually get over them, but the heroin, is an

easily addictive drug, real rules are needed. john: do you agree rules against heroin? >> most say no, what about you tea party? >> you should be free to do what you want, as long as you don't hurt people or take their stuff. [applause] john: should i be able to burn a flag. >> if you want to burn a flag go ahead. >> had gays be -- >> should gays be allowed to mary. >> go ahead. >> all right,? areas of agreement, but, on a lot of these issues like money they try to shroud it in comment complexity. thank you steve, jeny and matt. what do you think? does government go too far. does maybe big brother keep us

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john: i notice in this big audience here add freedom first it's mostly men. yes, mostly men. and it is an older crowd. people -- >> no. john: people -- congres come onf you are my age, for something well liberty that is more interesting to men and to us older people? maybe. how many of you here are under 40,? really. i am glad some young people see the importance of liberty and threat of big brother, emily, said, there will be more. so, you are taking polls now, for reasons, you conducted some

polls that you say bring good news? >> the good news is that one, millennial support for government -- >> how many of you know that word millennial? >> we mean 18 to 29, 18 to 30, their support for big government has been overblown. john: in your poll you found, people' large government. how many of you want large government. you ask this young group, what do they say, most say yes. >> yes. a majority of young people, only cohorts that say, they would prefer a larger government with more services, we asked another question, we asked would you rather have a larger government offering more services and high taxes? or a smaller government with

fewer services and low taxes, difference is we mention taxes, guess what happens? support flipped. a majority then want a smaller government. john: are young people stupid? they don't understand the big government means higher taxes? >> we see this cohort does not know what we mean with big government, not an effective phrase, they are not connecting taxs with that phrase. 123450 young people are less afill greated with democrats or or republicans. >> true. john: i was surprised, domecrats win on budget deficit. more of these kids thought that

more of these kids thought that o

john: don't they notice, soviet union, and cuba. union, and cuba. >> the cold war was at a time when most young people were paying attention. >> they don'tar know what socialism is. >> they dope know what it means. >> sounds like social caring. >> yes. a lot of people think. young people favor a free market 64 to 32%. >> so i should stop saying capitalism and start talking about free markets? >> yes. apparently. >> and also good news, 58% sayt government agencies generally. abuse power? >> the word generally is astounding here. we're not talking about

occasionally or once in a while, but generally it is astounding. >> and two-thirds don't trust regulators. >> that's true. we w found 63% say that governmt regulators when they write and enforce regulations, favor special interests over the public. >> but they want the regulations. they want the environment made pristine and global warming stopped and everything made safe.saf >> right. i think it's the ultimate dilemma in american politics. >> let me ask you, should there be any regulation?gu ed. >> no! >> come on, none? >> no! >> five years ago, pew asked, a when something is run by the government, is it usually efficient? 42% agreed. this year you ask the same question five years later.g in >> 664 -- 66%.00 we asked it again and say there has been a surge in the perception that government isovr wasteful and millenials reflectw

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free market society, we don't. people are getting put in jail in u.s. all of the time for nothing, victimless crimes, idea that government should make our choices for us, is one that a lot of people prefer. john: those are clips from a new movie about the american nanny state, that will be released tomorrow, the guy who made is tim dell mast re. your points is freedom from choice. >> i came up with that title i

would have thought that people would like freedom of choice, whether it is -- >> i do. >> you would think that everyone does, but, when you look into it most people would prefer the freedom from making choices and important decisions, i thought the title."freedom from choice"s adequate. john: idea that government should make our choices for us is one that a lot of people prefer? >> yeah, well, if you want to be a independent sovereign person, you need to have some level of responsibility, responsibility for your own life, decisions and action that is something that is daunting for a lot of people, moment people would prefer to allow the government to make their choices for them. john: because government cares about all of us, and will make sure we're safe, and we don't

pollute, and hur hurt others. >> in theory is makes sense. but what happens is power gets abused. john: a couple areas you cover in the film. finance, most americans i assume would like the government to protect their deposits. >> yeah. but what happens when the government guarantees mortgages or deposits is that banks can do all kinds of things with our money, invest in speculative things on wall street, some investment leverage over 100 to 1. at the end. if they lose the money the government makes them whole, they get bailed out. john: most americans support the fda, making sure all drugs are safe and effective before you take them. >> yeah. john: why are you groaning? >> i mean, in theory it makes sense to have government overseeing it. but, by ops was a

antiinflammatory drug created by merck, it was left on the market for over a year it killed 60,000 people, and it was left on market for years because the fda comment approveing it. john: some any greasey drug company -- greedy drug company be allowed to sell any pill without government approval? you in you may have noticed his, tim you for australia? >> my dad is from the u.s. but i live in australia now. john: why are you picking on america, australia is bad. sydney morning harley, australia the great nanny state, australia forces people to vote, you must vote, they banned r-rated video games, you get a fine if you bike without a helmet. >> true, i'm not defending that

australia is a nanny state it is, but i wanted to focus in u.s., because, look -- john: in australia you can't buy a round of drinking at the pub after midnight. >> that is not true, i do that all the time. john: we read that somewhere. >> you must -- have to lock your car in parts in you are more than 3 meters from it, and windows must be wound down more than 5 centimeters. centimeters. >> i heard that. john: police state has investment preventing crimes. >> right if you want to leave your car unlocked and tas take e risk that is a crime. i want to focus on u.s. because, there are nanny state countries all over the world in history too. but, in a country like u.s., where it was founded on principles of freedom, individual liberty, when they

turn to the nanny state or moves toward a nanny say the it is worth toward making a film about that. john: thank you, tim. coming up, do you think that president obama acts like he is president or like he is a king? >> king! john: we debate the imperial presidency next. wondering what that is? that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just "everything at the hardware store." not "everything, until you hit your cash back limit." quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me -- everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind... what's in your wallet? t! and with that in mind... [bell rings]

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of independence but it limits what a president can do. supreme court has a right to say no, that is unconstitutional if it is not in here, it is good we have this system, we should have our copys. we enjoy here. politicians don't like these limits on their power, what congress doesn't do what president obama wants he just does it anyway, using what he calls," executive power." he did it swapping 5 call ban 5 taliban prisoners for sergeant bergdahl. and this is not right we're going to stop him say tim and christina sande sanderer ford.

how are you going to stop them? >> well, you know, we are going to sue him, in fact we both have lawsuits that are challengeing various aspects of obamacare right now. >> [applause] >> the family that sues the president together sticksing it. john: you just got married. but your think tank is in sacramento, and yours is in phoenix. >> we liveing it more often than bill and hillary clinton do. >> oh,. john: what is the worst offense against the constitution that this administration has done. >> if i had to name one, it would be obamacare, president's signature achievement he is proudest of is largest single assaulted on the constitution that president has overseen in particular, is because, we're talking about big brother. one of the principal difference

between a free society, and big brother, law prohibits you from doing things that are bad, and big brother, the law trying to force you to do thing that political leaders think is good, with things like individual mandate, obamacare crosses that line, trying to force to us do what political elites we think we ought. john: and worst part of obamacare. >> independent payment advisery board, that is a group, of experts that are supposed to control medicare cost, they do this by enageing law, unilaterally without vote of congress, without signature of the president, without even review, by the courts. john: >> release of taliban detainees, in that case congress passed a law to regulate military. constitution said that president is commander in chief but congress sits th -- sets rules r military force they did that by

limits conditions in which president releases people. people. john: but he just does it. >> he admits he violated the law, but he said he is allowed to do that because he is commander in chief, ignores fact that congress has the exclusive constitutional authority. john: and granting 10 state waivers on no child left behind, and changing obamacare law, when it was not working out. >> problem is that when you have no respect for the rule of law, then we get unpredictability, we don't know how the law will be enforceed, we don't know how to behave, and if one day what we're doing is legal the next detailing well. john: is he the worst in terms of economyive orders -- executive order. >> mixed, abraham lincoln issued 48, president obama so far 182. is that most? >> george w. bush 290, ic

eisenhower, 280, and roosevelt over a thousand. congress, did muster 2/3 majority to override that one. but points i guess, tim, obama is not worst? >> true, and you know, numbers are not really what is important it is content of the orders, president when he issued these orders, in obamacare waiver, for example, he is not changing the law when he issued those orders he is saying i'm not going to enforce the law, i'll look the other way while the law -- by the way is named after me, and think is a great idea, i'm going to look the other way while it is violated for next year or 6 months that causes many problems as it fixes, you know insurers

and people with insurance will have a dispute, and court will decide whether it is legal or not that is a real problem. >> can you imagine in president romney had been elected and said i don't like obamacare, i'm not going to enforce it it would be an outrage, but that is what this president is doing here. >> thank you, both for living a part to enforce the constitution. one more for you. tim, and christina thank you. >> coming up, my take on one of sleazeier parts of las vegas, but next, what if big brother cave all americans -- well i ask you, a one year vacation from income tax, would that be a good idea? really? we'll debate that when we come back. you know.... there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies.

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john: we're back with more from freedom first in las vegas this group criticized big brother, but is government really so bad, labor department said, under president obama last month, 288,000 jobs were created.

when i interview people in times square they tell me, we' government to create jobs, they think that government does that and president said his programs will help america's middle class, but radio host wayne allen loot said that president and big brothers murdering the middle class, that is the title of his new book. >> middle class are doing well? >> they are doing horrible. you mentioned 288,000 new jobs, there is 92 million americans, over, 92 million working agent americans who are no longer working that fits almost with the over 100 million americans on entitlements, obama economy is about food stamps and disability and unemployment. and welfare, and housing allowances, it is not about work, 525,000 full-time jobs

were murdered last month, lost, gone forever. does anyone out there think that is say good number, middle of the middle -- murder of the middle class. john: of jobs? >> there are no more middle class life styles in america. america. john: this cliche of middle class you commentators throw out, i hate it, average disposable household income increases across all groups since 1979. 40%. for middle 87 tile, yes big government of all kind regulation kills jobs, but, the middle class is not the only people, everyone -- >> john looking at average american meal in last 40 years -- mail in last 4 years, adjusted for inflation makes less money now than in 1968. >> things are getting better. >> number one, you over -- >> you over sell it by saying

murdering middle class. >> amount of americans who consider themselves middle class have gone down about 30% since president obama became president, had audience know that government said there is no en flag, and your grocery prices are up, your electric prices up, your gas prices are up. and your healthcare premium, up, and your taxes are up. and everyone single thing about our lives is getting worse, not better, am i correct? [applause] john: no we're living longer than ever, we have this new technology. and many lives are getting -- >> youment to live longer in poverty that is where we're heading. john: we're richer. >> right now in venezuela there is a toilet paper shortage under a socialist. food shortage and highest stock

market in history, the sam plan that barack obama is using in america, you grab the money through fed, you prin fake money, you sprinkle it on wall street make the richest donors in the world wealthy, they are happy, and corporate ceos happy, and stock market investor happy and middle class is getting murdered. john: your solution is an income tax holiday of a year, we're already in death. >> no one asked obama how he would pay for that stimulus. john: because obama did the wrong thing? >> jimmy carter's economy looks like this. and ronald reagan turned it in two years by a dramatic income tax cut from 70s% to 28%. and i am proposeing is a one year, income tax vacation where people bring the economy back, let us keep your money for one

year, it is our money. >> yes? >> no? john: >> government does not work it cannot get -- >> i agree with you. >> only people can, thank you, wayne. john: coming up, now that i am in las vegas, i am upset about collusion between big brother and rich hypocrites in business here, who are too eager to make friends with big brother. that is next.

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♪ nothing's missed with tenatwist ♪ john: 2000 people are here, freefreedom fest held in las ves because there are cheap hotels here with relatively cheap room rates, costs of lower because taxes are lower, and casino gam geilingambling are legal. do you like being in las vegas? there is a lot to like. >> las vegas and nevada. nevada is a right-to-work state. there is no income tax. people are free carry concealed guns. to dam gel in casino -- gamble in casino in most of the state

get paid for sex work. but, nevada is no libertarian haven, state private school are most regulateed in america, each must follow detailed government rules. maybe that is why nevada students get some of the worst s.a.t. scores in the nation, nevada does a little better with economic freedom. as far as freedom to practice an occupation, nevada is worst, politicians collide with their friends in -- collide wit with n business, you want to teach someone how to apply make-up? no, doing it without a business license could cost you finds.

being the competition is the points of competeing, government is not supposed to protect cronies who are already in, big brother is the theme of this conference, i think of government as big brother. after all, only government, can use force that is special to remember, but remember that established businesses often encourage government to use force, not just moving companies and union make-up artists, the established casinos do it too. great that a nevada allows americans to gamble. in casinos. better than banning it but now a new thing called internet? it does allow people to gamble, anywhere. in europe, in asia, this is a $36 billion, but not in america, here it is mostly illegal, when

politicians debate makeing it legal, voters see commercials like this one. >> this has to be one of the worst bad ideas internet gambling, on your computer, mobile phone and ipads that s that targets young and elderly, making it look fun and easy until someone gets in over their head. john: they might, a fair argument but commercial is funded by the owners of casinos. what hypocrisy? it pains nissan this about steve wynn, i understand that internet gam kels will co-- gambling -- but to fund it.

>> like casinos are so wholesome? easier to keep kids out but children are parents' responsibility, nevada has a language history of politicians calooting with their favorite tycoons, most famous harry reid. he has been wheeling and dealing with casino money for years. on-line gambling is illegal in america, on horse races is america though. senator reid, a bill that would ban taking bets on horse racing unless have you at least 500 gaming devices in one location, 500. you have to be at a coo casino. how sleazey is that? as we close this show, celebrating liberty, let's remember, that big brother often gets help from our friends in.

that is our show, goo good night from las vegas. a russian commander now accused of being behind the horrific malaysia airlines flight 17 shoot down. and this comes as there are new calls for an international investigation into this disaster. secretary of state john kerry expressing his concern to his russian counterpart over reports ukrainian rebels are tampering with the crash environment all as international observers say that they're being restricted from the area of the wreckage and that human remains from the airliner carrying 298 people who were shot down by that missile are now grimly scattered throughout the landscape. this is a brand-new hour of america's news headquarters. i'm eric shaun. >> i'm patti