15 minutes for a quote isn't how it works anymore. start with a quote from esurance and you could save money on car insurance in half the time. welcome to the modern world. esurance. backed by allstate. click or call. american >> 100-years ago parents could travel without a passport. we didn't have to show id when buying beer or checking into a hotel. taxes were low and business relatively unregulated. america became prosperous because of that. without a minimum wage workers at ford motor company sow their wages more than double. 100 years later we have a million regulations all communication tax. it seems like everything is either prohibited or mandated. do we live in a police state? is big brother here? >> i don't know but i am here along with several hundred people. >> we are about to argue about

whether big brother is here and what to do about it. that's hour show tonight. >> and now john stos >> tonight we are in las vegas for a special edition of our show. i am joined by almost 2,000 people who care enough about liberty to come here to a conference called freedom fest the lateraled's largest gartering this year freedom fest big brother. the 1984 novel about toe at that time tearian future where people are watched constantly and government remind people big brother is watching to share people who might oppose the regime. is that america today? this group will say it.

yes, people from pea party groups like mat kib bee of freedom work and jenny bette martin of key party appreciate it. the before we talk about that let's talk about another way some say government controls by man anybody lating our money. you say that's a form of big brothers steve forbes of forbes magazine. what do you mean? >> money is a measure of value and when the government manipulates it it picks winners and losers it hurts the economy since we have gone off the gold standard our growth rates have fallen and 50 percent larger today. >> what do you mean by manipulated? >> they want to stay stable. >> stable? they keep changing the value. you have 60 minutes image what they do to the clock they do the dollar the federal reserve. 22 the next it is chaotic. next you bake a cake. is that domino minutes inflation

adjusted minutes? >> they do this by printing more money, buying bonds? >> buying bonds in other ways. the head of the federal reserve went before the senate and got two percent inflation. it would cost $1,000 extra each year and not one senator after that. where did you get the money to levy tax of the american people. >> if people on the left, you have your support. on the left they say two percent inflation is pretty good. you need to have this to boost the economy to end unemployment. >> it hurts the economy. are they all stupid? they all went to fancy school. >> they once thought that the sun reed around the earth. some are still at universities today. only in the economics

department. >> befored if yfed there were n recessions in the 30 years before. 30 years after 6 percent fewer the last 30 years three recessions. maybe they are doing something right? >> no, john. they look back and always say there's a recession. we all pay the price for it. >> it is just a memo. why pick this for value? >> because more than anything else, this is 4,000 years experience. it keeps the intrinsic value more than anything else. >> it is illegal because it is a form of stealing. if in the private sector you do it counterfeiting you go to jail. government they call it

stimulus. >> they are worried about massive inflation. i am worried about it, too. how many of you have bought gold? most of you put your hands up. how do people buy it? i have some with me. they sell things like -- this is a one-ounce coin, $1,300. the advantage of these things is what? if there is massive inflation and it costs $5,000 to buy a loaf of bread the baker will know the value of this. >> it is not so much an investment, john, but a form of insurance. against economic malpractice. >> that's $200 worth. >> the other part of the nanny

state you two are from the tea party. you got picked on by the irs. that is certainly big brother. >> nonprofit status for tax. >> the rule is you are not supposed to be too closely aligned with politicians is complex. >> it is a rule that has been in place since 1967 i believe. all of a sudden in 2010 they understand what the rule meant. >> tea party groups were checked out at a rate 10 times the other group. >> the department said the conservative groups were targeted 100 percent, so the inspector general said this. >> they show us paperwork it was show us this and show us that and again and again. >> they have lots of questions.

>> what was on your facebook page? what was the pass word? every speech you gave. >> not the speeches i gave people who came and spoke at our event. there were many who were afraid to speak out because they were afraid to be associated with us they would get audited. >> they would come back with 100 more questions. >> they come back with more questions and they would delay and delay and delay as they were waiting to ask the question. >> you really are doing something right. 1.3 million facebook fans. >> yes. >> matt, you wrote a book titled don't hurt people which is a pretty good title. what's your point? >> my point is the values of liberty that unite all of us are quite simple. it is what your mom taught you. probably heard it from her mom. don't hurt people. don't hurt their stuff, take responsibility for your own

actions. this is the basic rules that apply to everybody that subscribes to the ideas of liberty. the difference between us and them is that you don't know what the agenda is but you know that they have the ability to target you, because you might hurt them. >> that's what is so scary about what's going on today. it's the role of man instead of the role of law and our argument is quite simple. we should treat everybody just as simple as everybody else. >> clarify that rule of man verses rule of law. >> rule of man sounds more adjustable than rule of law. >> two words, lois lerner. (applause) >> our letters were signed lois lerner and e-mails mysteriously disappeared.

>> most want anonymous bureaucrats to act. some people want to kill us. so the nsa gathers data and says it is protecting us from terrorists. what is your problem with that? >> lindsay gram that is it is perfectly fine. if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to hide. he republican from south carolina line you? >> sort of a republican, yeah. >> if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to hide. >> they have targeted every single american that has made a phone call since 2006. we know from what we have seen that the nsa is just like the irs. they are not using it to protect us. they are using it to target certain people with agendas. they have gone after old girlfriends and boyfriends. if they do it to them why with

they do it to us? >> they love it when they cross to people. i just wanted to see where she was they would say. how have they gotten us? they haven't blocked people up. they would say some prevent us. >> it is not what they have dones is what they can do. lois lerner proven a point that you can't trust nibble. nobody is god enough nobody is smart enough or virtuous enough to have the discretionary power over the rights of americans. (applause) >> let's talk about big brother part where we may not agree. steve, i really admire what you have done. you fought for economic freedom. but on some social issues i think you are big brother. >> that's what my daughters say. >> you are supposed to be an

authority to your kid. that's different. you don't want me to have the right to kill myself if i am old and sick? you don't think people should have a right to assisted suicide? >> doctors are supposed to save lives not kill lives. >> it is my life it should be my choice. >> how about illegal drugs it's my body. >> even with liquor you have certain rules because certain ages you may not make the right decision. >> at age 21 i can have heroin? >> no. >> heroin is one of those drugs. when you take it it is unmerciful. smoking, booze, you take it you can get over it. girlfriends you usually get over them. but heroin, heroin is easily

addictive drug so therefore real rules have to be needed. >> you agree rules against heroin? most say no. what about the tea party? >> i think you should be free to do what you want as long as you doesn't hurt people or take their stuff. >> should i be able to burn a flag? >> if you want to burn a flag, go ahead. >> should gays be allowed to mary the way straits are? >> if you want to do it, go ahead. >> we have some areas of agreement. >> but on a lot of these issues like money they try to shroud it in a lot of complexity. money represents michigan ours value. you understand that. you realize the fed most of it can go. >> and steve has a new book out on that called money. thank you steve ford. jen me and matt, what do you think? does government go too far?

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john: i notice in this big audience here add >> i notice with the big audience at freedom fest mostly men. mostly men. it is an older crowd. most of you are my age. there is being will liberty that is more interesting to men to us older people. maybe? i didn't become a libertarian until i was almost 40. how many of you are under 40, really. the i am glad some young people see the importance of liberty and the threat of big brother. emily akon says there will be more.

so you are taking polls now for a reason. you have conducted polls that bring good news? >> the good news is one millennial support -- >> how many of you know millennial? is you know it. >> it's the word millennial. typically we need 18 to 29, 28 to 30. their supported for big government has been over blown for years. >> in your poll you found people you want large government. how many of you want large government? is you asked this young group do you want large government, what do you say? most say yes, right? >> the majority of young people they are the only cohorts they would refer to have larger government and more services. we asked would you rather have larger government offering more services or higher taxes smaller

government with fewer services and low taxes? the difference is we mentioned taxes. guess what happened? support slips. then a majority want smaller government with fewer services. >> are young people stupid they don't realize big government means much higher tax? >> this cohort doesn't know when we neen when we say big government. it is not really effective brain they are not connecting classes with the big government. >> the other people found they are less affiliated with republicans than democrats. >> absolutely. they are independent half as likely to be republican. no more likely to say they are democratic which is surprising given the voting over the last few elections. >> i was surprised the democrats win on budget deficit. more of these kids thought the democrats would address the

budget deficit? 23 percent democrats 22 percent republicans. >> think about the context here. a lot of young people came at an impressionable age and republicans and can gres and bush administration in government spending. republicans lost credibility on this issue. if you care a lot about social col rance which young people do 62 percent say they are socially literal you pick the parties that care more about soaks tolerance and individual rights. 90 percent aren't good on the s subject. >> this distinguishes them from older cohorts. this we see there are social liberals and sen terrorists. >> which is better capitalism or socialism? capitalism wins 52 percent to 42 percent.

42 percent for socialism? >> that surprises a lot of people. >> yeah. don't they notice the soviet union, venezuela? >> they don't. >> motor vehicle department? >> the cold war was over by the time those young people are paying attention. >> they don't know what socialism is. >> they don't know what socialism means. >> sounds like social caring. >> a lot of people think it's caring for the vulnerable. when you are more specific in the words you use more precise would you rather have a free market economy or economy managed by the government? young people say for free market 64 percent to 32 percent. >> so i should stop saying capitalism and start talking about free market? >> yes, apparently. >> and also good news 58 percent say government agencies generally abuse power? >> the word generally astound people.

we are not talking about occasionally or once in a while. generally is astounding. >> two-thirds don't trust regulate. >> 63 percent say government regulators when they write and enforce regulation safer special interests over the public. >> but they want the regulations they want the environment to seen and global warming stops. ultimate dilemma in american politics. >> five years ago when something is run by the government is it usually efficient. 42 percent agreement. this year you ask the same question five years later. >> 66 percent. >> we find there's a third that government is wasteful.

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>> people think we live in a free market society but we don't. we have krohn eeism not capitalism. people are getting put in jail in the u.s. all of the time for nothing. victimless crimes. >> the idea that government should make our choices for us is one that a lot of people prefer. >> those are clips from the new movie "american nan snny state" which will be released tomorrow. what's your point, freedom from choice? >> i guess i came up with that

title because i would have thought people like the freedom of choice. whether it be -- i do. >> you would think everyone does. when you look into it most people would free fer the freedom from making choices and freedom from making choices of decision for life. i thought the title "freedom from choice" was an adequate one from my film. >> the idea that government make our choices for us is one that a lot of people free fer? >> if you want to be completely independent sovereign person really some level of responsibility. you need to be responsible for your own lives, decisions and actions. that is something that is daunting for people. most free fer just to allow the government to make their choice befo for them. >> because the government cares for all of us.

make sure we don't pollute and hurt other people. >> in theory it does for the government to do for us. >> finance, most americans i assume want the government to protect their deposit in a bank. >> the government guarantees mortgages or deposit is that banks can go ahead and do all kinds of things with our money. they can invent speculatives on wall street. >> most americans support the fda. an agency to make sure all are effective before you take them. >> why are you groaning? don't you want effective drugs? >> again in theory it makes a lot of sense to have the

government overseeing everything. it is an antiinflammatory drug created merck. that drug waudz left on the market for years. it is 140,000 heart attacks something like that. it was left on the market for years. >> let me ask the audience. should any greedy drug company be allowed to fill any till without government approval? >> you may have noticed his accent. tim, you are from australia, correct? >> my dad is from the u.s. but i live in australia now. >> why are you taking on america? australia is bad. australia the great nanny state. australia forces people to vote. not your choice. you must vote. you banned r rated video games. you get a fine if you bike

without a helmet. the>> i am not going defend that australia is a nanny state. it is. i wanted to focus the film on the u.s. >> australia you can't buy a round of drinks at the club after midnight? >> in australia you have to lock your car in parts of australia if you are more than 4 meters fr from it and must be wound down more than 5 centimeters. >> the police, the state has investment in preventing crime. >> basically if you want to leave your car unlocked it's a risk you can't do that. it's a crime now. i wanted to focus on the u.s. because there are nanny state countries all over the world. in a country like the u.s. where it was founded on self reliance

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it limits what a president can do. congress was given most of the power. the supreme court has the right to say no. that's unconstitutional if it is not in here. it is good that we have this thing. politicians don't like these limits. he calls executive power. (crowd booing) he did it with the prisoners when he intervened in libya, when he delayed certain parts of obamacare. this is not right and questioner going to stop it say tim and christina. they are lawyers for free market picnics. (applause) images of legal foundation

christina with the goldwater institute. how are you going to stop them? >> we are going to sue him. in fact we both have lawsuits that are challenging obamacare right now. >> the famipresidents that stic together stay together. >> yours is in sacramento, california, yours is in phoenix. >> we live together more often than bill and hillary clinton do. >> what's the worst offense against the constitution that this administration has done? >> if i had to name one thing it would be obamacare the president's signature achievement he says he is proudest of is the largest single assault on the constitution that the president has over seen. the reason why we are talking about big brother. one of the principle

distinctions between brifree society and big brother society in a free society law prohibits you from doing something bad. in big brother society they force you to do things political leaders think is good. obamacare crosses that line to try to force us to do what political elites think we ought to do. >> christina the worst part of obamacare? >> independent payment advisory board or ipab. they are supposed to control medicare costs but the way they do this is bine acting law unilaterally without vote of congress, without signatures of the president without review by the courts. >> you mentioned release of the taliban detainees. congress passed a law to regulate the military. the constitution says the president is chief but congress sets the rules for the military force and they did that by

limits the petitions on which the president can release. he did it in clear violation. he admits it violated the law. he says he is allowed to do that because he's commander-in-chief ignoring the fact that the congress has authority to limit what he does as commander-in-chief. >> granting ten states waivers on no child left behind, changing the obamacare law when it wasn't working out, it is executive power. >> the problem is that when you have no respect for the rule of law, what we get is utter unpredick 5b89. we don't know how to behave and don't know if one day it is illegal. >> is he the worst when it comes to executive orders? >> abraham lincoln 48. president obama 182. is that the most of any president? george bush 290.

eisenhower 480. teddy roosevelt more than 1,000. includes one demanded all government documents kiss should be spelled kist. enough enuf. i guess they were saving words, saving letters. congress, in that case did muster two-thirds majority to over ride. but the point i get, tim, obama is not the worst. >> that's true. the numbers aren't really what is pornlt. it's the c-- important. it is the content of the orders. the president is not changing the law when he issues authority. he is saying i am not going to enforce the law. i am going to look the other way the law that is named after me is a great idea. i am going to look the other way while it is violated the next year or whatever.

it causes as many problems as it fixes. they have to decide whether it is legal or not. that is a real problem. >> can you image if romney had been elected and he came in and said i am don't like obamacare i am not going to enforce it. it would be an outer -- utter outrage. >> thank you both for living apart. the constitution one more for you. tim and christina coming up my take on one of the sleazier parts of las vegas. up next? what if big brother gave all americans a one-year vacation from the income tax. would that be a good idea? really we will debate that when we come back. thank you. two medium cappuccinos!

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>> we are back with more from freedom fest in las vegas. this group criticizes big brother. is government really so bad the labor department says under president obama last month

288,000 jobs were created. when i interview people in times square they tell me we want government to create jobs. they think government does that. the president says his programs will help america's middle class. radio most wayne allen ruth says the president and big brother are murdering the middle class. what do you mean? >> the middle class are doing pretty well by historical standards. >> they are doing horribly well. there are 92 million americans actually over, 92 million working age americans who are no longer working which fits almost exactly with the over 100 million americans on entitlement. the obama economy is about food stamps and disability and about unemployment and about welfare and housing allowances. it's not about work any more. 520,000 full-time jobs were murdered last month, lost, gone

forever. does any one out there think that's a good number? murder of the middle class. >> or with it murder of jobs, i go along with it. >> murder of good middle class jobs. there are no more middle class lifestyles in america. >> the cliche of the middle class that you commentators throw out. i hate it. average disposable household income increased across all groups since 1979. 40 percent>> obama big government of all kind. regulation kills jobs. >> have you looked at the average american male in the last 40 years with inflation makes less money now than 1968. >> every income up. >> things are getting better. >> you over sell it by murdering

the middle class. >> the amount of americans that consider themselves middle class has gone and it's all for you i've grown a tad bit since we've been at it percent since obama became president. he can massage the numbers anyway he wants. grocery prices are dramatically up, election prices are dramatically up, healthcare premiums dramatically up. taxes dramatically up. every single thing about our lives is getting worse not better. am i correct? oo no, we are living longer than ever. we have all of this new technology and many lives are betting better. >> you want to live longer in poverty? >> we are richer than ever. there's toilet paper shortage. >> let's not over sell the problems in america.

>> the highest market in history. it's the exact same plan barack obama has. you sprinkle it on wall street. you make the richest donodonors the world happy. you make the corporate co's happy. the middle class is getting murdered. >> your solution is income tax holiday of one year. we are already in debt. how do we pay for the government? >> no one asked obama how do we pay for the 2.3 trillion. >> obama did the wrong thing we should do the wrong thing? >> jimmy carter's economy looked just like this. it is a radical income tax cut from 70 percent to 28 percent. what itch proposing is a radical one year income tax where the people put the economy back and

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nevada is no libertarian haven. the state's private schools are the most regulated in america. each followed detailed government rules. maybe that's why nevada students get some of the worst sat scores in the nation. t nevada is ranked the 20th on the freest state. as far as freedom to practice and occupation, nevada is among the worst. politicians here col included with they're friends in business to limit competition. you want to teach someone how to apply makeup? doing it without a government license can cost you 2,000 bucks in fines. you can't start a moving company here unless you can prove to state bureaucrats your company

won't be detrimental to existing moving companies. but the being the competition is the point of competing. government isn't supposed to protect cronies who are already in business. big brother is the theme of this conference. i usually think of government with big brother. it is important to remember that. let's not forget established businesses often encourage government to use force. not just moving companies and union makeup artists but establish casinos do it, too. >> they allow americans to gamble in casinos rather than banning it all together. there is a new thing you may have heard of called the internet. it allows people to gamble anywhere. in europe, in asia this is a $36 billion business. but not in america. we lose that money. here it is mostly illegal.

a reason it is illegal is when politicians debate making it legal. voters see commercials like this one. >> in the history of bad ideas, this has to be one of the worst. internet gambling. this is gamblen on your computer mobile phone ipad. they target the young and elderly making it all look fun and easy until someone gets in over their head. >> you may get in over your head. it might. it's a fair argument. the commercial is funded by the owners of casinos. like sheldon aid ellison and steven wynn. what hypocrisy. it pains me to say it about steve wynn he's libertarian and a fan of this show. i see it will compete with casinos but to ban it and fund ads like this? >> counsel could be taken of

thousands of dollars without setting foot in a casino. >> pleads, like casinos are h e wholesome? easier to keep kids out but that's parent's responsibility. they are cal looting with the favorite tycoon. this state's is harry reid. he has been wheeling and dealing with the casino money for years while on-line gambling is illegal in america, on-line gambling with horse racing is legal. senator reed introduced a bill that would ban taking bets on horse racing unless you have 500 gaming devices in one location. >> 500 devices. in other words, it has to be a coulds no. harry doesn't want his buddies to have competition. how sleazy is that? as we celebrate liberty let's remember big brother often gets

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