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we want you to be waggish. but not a self-absorbed pinhead. again, thanks for watching us tonight. miss megyn is next. i'm bill o'reilly. remember, the spin stops here, we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, with the united states and russia locked in the most intense showdown since the end of the cold war, there are serious new questions about whether america has a winning strategy. welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i'm megyn kelly. five days have passed since a missile took out malaysian airlines 17. despite the rapidly growing evidence that russia was responsible, either directly or indirectly, president obama today stopped well short of confronting president putin. to catch you up on why the shootdown has the world so outraged and demanding accountability, consider the events unfolding in just the 72 hours since "the kelly file" was
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just on the air. at that point heavily armed pro-russian rebels in ukraine had just driven off the united nations crash inspection team. they fired warning shots as those u.n. officials retreated. then on saturday we got an up close look at the horrifying nature of this crash with new pictures of personal items scattered among the parts of the disintegrated plane. at that point the rebels started claiming that this crash was staged, suggesting the bodies had been there for days and days and were already in advanced stage of decomposition. and it got worse. on sunday we were told that the victims were being moved or hidden for some unknown reason. and then we learned that the bodies were being thrown aboard boxcars on a train. but those cars were not being allowed to leave. at this point secretary kerry went on the sunday shows with this message. >> and this is a moment of truth for russia. you know, some of the leaders of the separatists are russian.
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russia arms these separatists. russia trains these separatists. russia supports these separatists. russia has spoken out and has refused to call on them publicly to do the things that need to be done. >> which brings us to monday. finally, the bodies are released after days in only sometimes refrigerated boxcars. while back in moscow a defiant president putin fires a warning shot. talking tough and saying we better not politicize this disaster or use it for "any kind of vested interest." and the response from washington, here is president obama this morning. >> more broadly, as i've said throughout this crisis and the crisis in ukraine generally, and i've said this directly to president putin as well as publicly. my preference continues to be finding a diplomatic resolution within ukraine. i believe that can still happen. that is my preference today.
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and it will continue to be my preference. but if russia continues to violate ukraine's sovereignty and to back these separatists, and these separatists become more and more dangerous and now are risks not simply to the people inside of ukraine but the broader international community, then russia will only further isolate itself from the international community and the costs for russia's behavior will only continue to increase. >> lieutenant colonel ralph peters with me now. good to see you tonight. so the president's saying they're going to face further isolation if they continue to behave badly. your thoughts. >> megyn, sometimes i feel like charlie brown. you know, trying to kick the football and it's always pulled away from him. every time i hear our president is going to make new remarks about putin, crimea, remember that? ukraine, now this air disaster. i keep hoping this will be the time when he will man up. when he will take a stand. when he will represent america
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and recognize our goodness and the evil, the true evil, that vladimir putin is inflicting on his region and one day may inflict on a wider range of the world. but, megyn, the asymmetry is stunning. like him or not, and i don't like him, putin's a leader. obama's a lawyer. putin, he wants to dominate. obama wants to negotiate. putin's re-arming. obama's disarming. as you and i have discussed before, the fundamental difference here is that putin believes in his country and its destiny. and president obama does not believe in american greatness and our destiny. and that asymmetry is costing us dearly. there is a vacuum of leadership in the free world that is indescribelyin kal ka bli difference. >> he talked tough in syria, he didn't follow through and that
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cost him a lot of credibility according to most pundits. he goes out there today, if he's not prepared to go engage militarily against russia, he's got to say what he said today. >> well, no he doesn't, actually. he could be much stronger. certainly samantha power, who really came into her own on friday and spoke cogently again today about russia's culpability, it's undeniable guilt in this tragedy and many a preceding tragedy. our president has a range of things he could do. first of all, he could impose serious sanctions. which he has not done. they've been cosmetic to date. he could boldly and vividly provide weaponry and training to ukraine. he could station u.s. forces in poland, a nato member. he could reinvigorate, revive the antimissile system we were going to stage in eastern europe before obama killed it. i mean, there are really many
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things he could do, but he's a deer caught in the headlights of history. even though he's president of the united states, to me it would be a hellish thing to liv. to be such a frightened man. i really feel that on a visceral level, on a profound level, president obama is scared of vladimir putin. >> is he scared of him, or is he scared of involving the united states militarily in more places? >> well, that's certainly -- he is an antimilitary president. there's no question about that. and i think he came to office with a promise that he would end our wars, with a bias against the military and a belief that is by the way correct that the military is not the answer to all the world's problems. but he extrapolated that to the conviction that the military is never the answer to any of the world's problems therefore we saw him unwilling to try to rescue our people in benghazi,
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unwilling to engage in syria, unwilling to so much as send a single drone against the islamic straight. >> he used the military in libya. >> yes, but he didn't follow through. and i think he regretted it. >> but i want to ask you because i heard ambassador bolton speaking to this earlier on fox news. he says he believes the president is missing an opportunity. this is the opportunity to go out and convince the world that putin is this bad player, that, you know, the united states believes he is. and that instead of doing that he's talking about how they better not impede this investigation about the plane crash and, you know, this is very serious and sort of a head bake e fake because he's not willing to confront vladimir putin. why should the american people want him to confront vladimir putin? what is it we think is so bad and we want our president to do? do we want him out? >> well, it would be nice to have putin out. that's not going to happen because he has over 80% of the russian people behind him in
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every poll. the russians admire a strong leader and they value him. he is the strongest leader russia has had since stalin. since stalin. and we have the weakest president we've ever had. why is putin dangerous? because he's an ambitious man. he is not afraid to use force. he wants to re-establish the russian empire. re-establish the soviet's sphere of influence to divide and weaken europe, to create a new gulf between europe and america. and he wants global power projection. his ambitions appear to be almost limitless. they grow all the time. and the lesson of history -- and there are lessons in history, is when you do not confront these start-up dictators early on, the price later when you must confront them is much, much greater and much bloodier and much uglier. >> ralph peters, good to see you. >> thank you, megyn. well, as the mess with russia plays out the u.s. is
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also engaged in a new effort to halt the intense fighting between israel and the terror group hamas. secretary of state john kerry is headed to cairo to try to negotiate while the casualties climb on both sides of this battle. israel lost more than a dozen soldiers from an elite and legendary unit as they were trying to take out the extensive network of underground tunnels into israel used by these terrorists. two americans were among the israeli defense troops killed in that effort. after a series of air strikes on gaza homes and even a hospital killed dozens more this weekend, the death toll there has topped 500 in less than two weeks. conn connor powell live in gaza city with the latest. >> reporter: megyn, we understand there's a fairly frantic effort to try to craft some type of cease-fire which is desperately needed here. just in the last few hours we've seen some of the heaviest firing
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in the last two weeks. 20 israeli soldiers just killed in the past 48 hours. and of the 571 palestinians killed here in gaza, more than 200 of those have come in the last 48 hours. hamas continues to fire rockets into israel. and all night tonight we've had a heavy barrage of israeli artillery hitting different points throughout gaza city and the entire strip. it's been an intense night tonight of heavy artillery. all this fighting the past 48 hours or so causing a humanitarian crisis. the u.n. now saying 81,000 people have been displaced and taking refuge in different u.n. shelters. we went to a refugee camp earlier today and saw a shortage of drinkable water, women fighting in these u.n. shelters. it is a really bad situation here, megyn, and a cease-fire desperately needed. >> connor powell, thank you. while secretary kerry is headed to cairo to negotiate, we
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are learning he may have tipped his hand over the weekend when a hot microphone caught some comments he was making to an aide before an interview with our own chris wallace. that may reveal his true position on israel's supposedly precise attacks on hamas and how the u.s. should react. listen to this. >> it's a hell of a pinpoint operation. it's a hell of a pinpoint operation. >> just underscored the meaning for cease-fire -- >> we've got to get over there. thank you, john. i think, john, we ought to go tonight. i think it's crazy to be sitting around. >> brooke goldstein director of the law fair project. that supposedly john kerry caught by surprise while he was sitting for round robin interviews with all the sunday talk shows. our own chris wallace is the only one to confront him with it. he said it while the cameras were on him while his microphone was on him. and then people started to question why is he criticizing israel.
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a hell of a pinpoint operation. he's basically suggesting a pinpoint operation that it's not effective that they're killing a lot of civilians and chris wallace asked him about it. did he tip his hand? was that an intentional thing? >> who's to say it was intentional? but what it seems to show is that kerry is imputing by his sarcastic statement that there's some sort of blood lust on behalf of the israeli defense force is that it's a hell of a pinpoint operation when said sarcastically means they're doing the opposite engaged in indiscriminate attacks and not doing everything they have to do. >> what does that tell you about his state of mind? about the administration's state of mind? >> there's been a lot of interesting stams coming out of this administration. kerry also said it's important hamas steps up and be reasonable and understand you need to save lives. and what it shows to me is that kerry has a fundamental misunderstanding of the motive of hamas, a terrorist organization whose number one
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goal is not to save lives but to increase civilian casualties. it would be as if you said to isis or al qaeda, hey, guys, come on, don't you just want to save civilian lives? >> and yet you've got the palestinian who is have partnered with hamas, a group the united states of america recognizes as terrorists. but when the palestinian political spokesman comes out tonight and speaks with the political leader, speaks with our own bret baer, this is how he phrases it. listen. this is number one. >> absolutely. i am 100% sure of that. even secretary kerry made jokes about the pinpoint policy of the israeli army. when you bombard people and kill 550 civilians and injure 3,700, this is clearly an attack that is aiming at civilians. during this conflict 20 israelis have been killed, two soldiers and 20 civilians. i'm sorry for any death whether palestinian or israeli.
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but the numbers in fact are very clear. and they do undermine the whole israeli propaganda that is trying to dehumanize the palestinians as if their lives are not as precious as israeli lives. >> you know, it's interesting because we're getting contradictory statements coming out of the palestinian authority. on the one hand they air continually television programs that incite genocide not just against the jewish people but call for violence against the west. and then on the other hand you have palestinian authority and ambassador to the united states a couple days ago said accused hamas of engaging in war crimes because it indiscriminately targeted israeli civilians. and you have the arab media coming out and accusing hamas of endangering palestinian lives because it is forcing those civilians to operate as human shields. so what we need now from the obama administration is a statement of moral clarity. and instead what we're seeing are statements of moral equivalence. israel has a right to defend
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itself, but we're concerned with the loss of human lives without mentioning who is directly responsible for the loss of human lives. >> hamas, they're so upset about the deaths that have taken place this weekend, but it was hamas that rejected the peace treaty that was just -- that was brokered by egypt. that israel accepted. they wanted the cease-fire, hamas rejected it. >> hamas also rejected a temporary humanitarian cease-fire and continued to fire rockets while the israelis were attempting to deliver humanitarian aid to the palestinian people. hamas has denied access to the palestinian people to bomb shelters. there's a youtube film right now circulating of gazan youth telling the world how hamas is preventing civilians from fleeing their homes and from taking shelter after the israeli warnings. so a statement of moral courage and clarity from this administration would unequivocally condemn hamas. >> would a president reagan have
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done that? or does the american president need to at least sound like he can understand both sides? >> there are not two sides to a conflict between one side that values human life and another that has repeatedly expressly publicly stated that not only are we willing to take the lives of civilians on the israeli side, but we are willing to use our own children in the process. the only chance for there to be a minimum loss of civilian lives is a complete disarmament of hamas, an islamic terrorist organization that is outlawed here in the united states. >> wow. puts it in perspective. brooke, thank you. >> thank you. well, with all the chaos in israel and the showdown with russia getting increasingly tense, yesterday was the deadline for the united states to have its deal with iran over its nuclear program. suddenly the administration has announced a four-month delay on that. rick grinnel former spokesman in the george w. bush administration and policy advisor to mitt romney and the
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ambassador to the united nations. rick, good to see you. >> thanks, megyn. >> another delay. do we care? >> we should definitely care. this is a game the iranians love to play. just when the west gets really frustrated from inaction from iranians and remember the iranians have not dismantled any of their nuclear weapons programs. >> they've slowed some things down. >> i'm sorry? >> they've slowed some things down. >> well, i think that when you say that we've slowed some future centrifuges or some future enrichment that that's not really kal cuable. what we need to focus on now is they have not dismantled any of their current programs, but yet they're really good at right when the west gets frustrated scheduling another meeting. and so now they get four more months. they get some sanctions relief and some of the money previously held back to them. so again, they're being rewarded for attending meetings, not for
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producing or acting. >> but what should we do? when we're getting to the four-month mark, we're getting to the end of the negotiation mark and we don't yet have a firm deal, should we just say it's done? >> i think that the iran -- what history shows is that the iranians actually do something or act when there is a pressure point, when there is a deadline. so we should stick to the deadline. we should be firm. and we certainly should not relieve the sanctions before they act. so you look at some of the sanctions that we've had. and everyone's starting to go around them. i mean, we just had this week bmp in france was fined $9 billion for facilitating transactions inside iran. then you've got the south koreans and indians and others buying iranian oil. we're not caring. what we need to do is put a tight lid on the sanctions, really enforce the sanctions and not relieve them before there's some sort of action from the iranians. we don't reward someone for attending a meeting. >> the secretary of state john kerry said this extension was
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warranted by the progress we've made, the eu foreign policy chief said we've made tangible progress but there's still significant gaps. they make it sound like they're on the edge, rick, do you believe in four months they're going to come back and say halleluijah we did it? >> yeah, i've used that same language as a government spokesman and it really means we need more time. they're not anywhere closer. and, again, the iranians only come to the point when there's a deadline, when there's actually something being, you know, squeezed on them. remember the reason why they even came to the t5 plus 1 in the beginning is because they wanted sanctions relief. because the sanctions were starting to take effect. >> and they got it. >> and they got it. >> rick grenell, good to see you. >> good to see you, megyn. >> so iran, israel, showdown with russia, and those are all big concerns. but there's another very troubling story playing out overseas this weekend and it's barely getting any attention. up next, tony perkins details the new ugly campaign against christians. and later, the author of a
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breaking news tonight on the ugly came pain tonight on more than a million christians in the middle east. the terror group, isis, is forcing christians from territories and now the pope is speaking out. the church of mary in iraq's second large abandoned after militants closed it and brought down the cross that once stood on its rooftop. they gave christians the saturday deadline and the following choig, they could leave, convert to islam, or they could die. and thousands of the faith fled everything with literally just the clothes on their back in some places, following messages scrawled on their homes. translated they read "long live the islamic state in iraq and live on. muslims are happy with the return of --."
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tony perkins is the president of the family research council. this is really shocking. the pope came out and said christians are being persecuted. the iraqi prime minister is calling on the world to stand as one against this. and not only are they forcing the christians out, but they are committing horrific and violent crimes against them as they do. >> correct. megyn, i'm not sure what's more shocking, the atrocities of isis or the silence of the obama administration. to put this in perspective as you set it up, we're talking about a region of the world that is home to the longest surviving communities -- continuous communities of christianity. actually there's two of jesus christ's own disciples that took the gospel to this region of the world and been there ever since. in 2003 prior to the iraq war there were about a million and a half christians in that area. now it's estimated it's less than 300,000. and as you pointed out, they're
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given a choice. they can either convert to islam, they can leave, they can pay an impoverishing tax or they die. that's the choice of freedom under islam. >> looking at the facts, so thousands of the christians leave the city. and then they decide to torch an 1800-year-old church. not only are they forcing the people out committing violence against them as they do, but then they're torching churchs that are 1800 years old. i mean, the history and the total lack of respect for anything that isn't theirs. >> megyn, we shouldn't be surprised. this is not the first time they've done this. it's not the first religion they've done it. although christianity is now the most persecuted religion in this part of the world in particular, but our administration remains silent on these issues. i mean, it's not just in iraq. we've seen it in iran where we've had a pastor in prison for almost two years.
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we've seen it recently with the 27-year-old mother who gave birth in a prison, the wife of an american citizen. the administration said nothing about her until the very last minute when there was international outcry. this is what's very concerning here. >> but let me ask you, what should they be saying? because obviously the administration is now at least well aware of isis and the damage that it is doing in iraq. and, you know, they've got their plan with the 300 advisors and so ongoing over there, but should they be specifically calling attention to this latest horrific realm of violence they're unleashing? >> yes. i mean, we have a history of doing this. we've been doing this since world war ii and before that. in fact, in the last couple of decades we've been working to defend muslims around the world. we've gotten involved. we've been involved, we've spoken out internationally against the religious persecution. there's a reason for that. because where there is religious freedom intolerance, there's also free markets, prosperity, which means greater stability in those regions.
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this is very dangerous. this administration has been silent continuously when christians have been persecuted. i'll tell you what i think is at the bottom of it, is this administration is more concerned about offending islamic states and islamic nations than they are defending the long standing policy that america has always had that religious freedom is a human right, not just an american right. >> this is terrible when you hear the actual facts of what's happening to these poor folks. i mean, no mass has been in the city of mozul since june 22nd breaking 1600 years of tradition. tony perkins, thank you for being here. >> thank you, megyn. while washington is struggling with the dizzying array of foreign challenges, president obama is taking new heat for what he has on his schedule over the next three days. i'll give you one guess what it is. send me a tweet @megynkelly.
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from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. we have now seen days of dramatic headlines in our showdown with russia. the fight between israel and hamas, and the crisis on our southern border, which is why some reporters were today challenging the white house about a presidential schedule that includes three straight days of, yes, you guessed it on twitter, fundraisers this week. ed henry just filed this from washington. ed. >> reporter: well, megyn, amid all of these foreign policy crises, tomorrow the president is embarking on a three-day fund raising scheme on the west coast. six campaign appearings happening in three cities, seattle, san francisco and los angeles. his aides today brushed off any criticism that he first addressed the ukrainian crisis last week against some fund raising in new york city last thursday evening. and earlier in the day in delaware remember he was at that stop at the charcoal pitt, sort
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of a burger joint, where he sat down with a woman who had written a letter about her economic plight. he's got air force one, secure phone lines, he can call world leaders, which is something he's done several times in recent days even when he was on the road. yet tonight there are signs some optics may be getting to the white house a little bit. he was planning to go on jimmy kimmel's late night show but we're now told that has been canceled. the white house sent word he's not going to do it at least on this trip. aides say for as for the fund raising they're going to go forward with that for now. they say if any of these crises get worse, if the president is needed back here at the white house, his schedule may change again. megyn. >> what a shocker. when secretary of state john kerry went on the sunday shows, he heard some similar tough questions about the administration's foreign policy efforts. here's how he responded. >> what he faces maybe is a problem with a bunch of critics
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who want to jump to conclusions without looking at the facts. and the fact is that every fundamental issue of conflict today the united states is in the center leading and trying to find an effort to make peace where peace is very difficult. and i think the american people ought to be proud of what this president has done in terms of peaceful diplomatic engagement rather than quick trigger deploying troops, starting or engaging in a war of choice. >> joining me now marc thiessen and a fellow at the american enterprise institute. so john kerry says there's a long list of successes and that this president is leading and is right at the center of these critical disputes. what say you? >> thank god for his diplomatic engagement. it's brought tranquility to the global community, apparently. >> that's what josh earnest told us last week. >> it's one thing when the white house press secretary says
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something so delusional. when the secretary of state says it. >> what is he going to say? he's trying. he's trying. >> saying we're having diplomatic successes. where are these diplomatic successes? is iraq a success? they just declared a terrorist state there. is syria a success? 200,000 people killed and they got away with using chemical weapons. the israeli-palestinian peace process which was his big initiative as secretary of state, there's a war going on. is iran a success, is libya a success, is afghanistan a success? where are these successes? i don't see them. iceland is peaceful. >> iceland. and beautiful. you hear in his rhetoric there, marc, what you hear from many on the left in progressive circles which is at least we got rid of that cowboy diplomacy we had under george w. bush. you don't want to shoot first and ask questions later. and many on the left in particular believe that's what we would have had if we elected a president mccain. >> well, you know, the funny thing is if you want to project -- if you want to secure
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the peace and prevent war, you also can't -- he says bush was trigger happy. you also can't be gun shy. when the president of the united states threatens military consequences, military action if the syrian regime uses chemical weapons and john kerry says they'll only be unbelievably small strikes and then backs off of doing the unbelievably small strikes, people when you try to pursue diplomacy, people laugh at you. vladimir putin is laughing at us. john kerry went out this weekend and said he's giving putin -- he's going to ask him one final time to stop intervening -- to stop interfering in ukraine. putin laughed. one final time and then what? what's he going to do next? there's no there there. >> he's going to isolate him. that's what he keeps saying. he'll be further isolated. >> yeah. with crimea under his belt. absolutely. >> not all that isolated. a few people with him. marc, thank you. >> thanks, megyn. joining me now another mark, mark hannah, a democratic
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campaign veteran who worked on the kerry and obama presidential campaigns. really? he was leading in iraq when isis took over and started forming an islamic state? >> i think it's pretty rich to have somebody from the bush administration come on here and lecture the obama administration on its foreign policy blunders. >> really? >> i do. in fact. >> plenty of blame to go around. >> there is. and, megyn, i don't want to take this opportunity to play the blame game because it really is the case that a republican senator said back in 1950, politics should stop at the water's edge. when it comes to facing our adversaries and sending a message to the rest of the world, there should be some unity that we project as a country. >> did you say that to your side during the iraq war when they were saying kill cheney first? >> nobody i know said kill cheney first. >> you should have walked around the upper west side during 2006-2007 because they were wearing t-shirts. >> there were a lot of people voted against the iraq war, opposed the iraq war. a lot of people in hindsight were -- >> didn't really stop at the water's edge then and it's not
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now. >> once the bush administration made the case and made the decision to go to war, you didn't hear a lot of people except from the very fringe fringe elements of the left, you have lieutenant colonel ralph peters coming on and calling his commander in chief timid on national television? you didn't get that under eisenhower. you didn't get that under ronald reagan. you didn't get that when republicans were supporting president truman back in the 1950s. this is a crisis, i think, of unity. >> but they would say it's caused by a crisis in leadership. >> they are going to say that because they're going to score political points. and they're going to, you know, jump on president obama's approval ratings and stomp them down as much as they can because they're operating in this partisan political environment. i think for the most part even the republican commentators have to concede that does syria have chemical weapons now as a result of our diplomatic efforts? no, they don't. have we made more progress in this last administration in iranian nuclear goerks than we have in the last three
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administrations combined? yes, we have. there have been real successes. the inability -- the seeming inability for any republican to give the obama administration any credit -- >> okay. but the problem is that the cold war seems to have gone from cold to hot. that we now where joe biden had declared iraq potentially his administration's greatest success it now is an islamic caliphate where they're committing horrific crimes against humanity every day. israel is at war. that's not good. and that was a process -- peace process spearheaded by john kerry. so you can see how the critics have some issues with this professed success. >> absolutely. >> and leadership. >> absolutely. it's not unpatriotic to criticize or to question the policy of your president. what i do get concerned about though is when we have an incident like in the ukraine right now where that kind of knee-jerk criticism sort of inhibits people from thinking strategically. let's play chess rather instead of checkers.
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who has the most leverage with russia? take this to example. europe represents 50% of russian trade. we represent less than 5%. all the europeans sort of -- >> we have some influence with them. that's how we started the show. >> not as much as europe. >> that's my point. but we began the show by saying is it a fair criticism of the president to say now is the time when you should make your case, why don't you look at the europeans and say look what he just did? he basically directly or indirectly brought down a passenger jet of 298 people. why are you -- >> marc thiessen doesn't know, ralph peters doesn't know, i don't know, megyn, whether the president is on the phone right now with president hollande -- >> we don't know. he could be in the situation room right now. >> or he could be at a fundraiser. i got to go. good to see you, mark. i got to run. all right. there's a hot new book out on hillary clinton and her possible plans for 2016, which even some
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first on "the kelly file" with hillary clinton increasingly looking like a possible contender for 2016, there's a new book on the former first lady. how chelsea clinton may threaten her mother's bid for the white house and how her husband, bill, may prove to be more of a hindrance than help. what can we expect over the clintons next two years? clinton, inc., author daniel joins us now. daniel, your book is getting praises even from places like
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the daily beast which says unlike the number one best selling narrative, you can see they didn't like that one, halper is drawing on numerous on-the-record conversations. they think it is meticulously researched and you go onto conclude that essentially bill clinton is not a good person. >> well, thanks for having me, first of all. that's a little bit extreme. but i tried to understand who bill and hillary clinton are. i think on the one hand hillary's often portrayed as cold and calculating while bill was a motive and bubba like figure. i found the opposite is closer to being the case. bill tends to be more cold and more calculating while hillary tends to have long-time friends and have actual relationships and sort of more complicated figure. >> you say one of the sort of the biggest lies about the clintons is that she considered divorce after the lewinsky affair. you said divorce was never considered and that turned out to be a great moment for her politically. >> right.
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scandal -- this book is about how the clintons arose from scandal and impeachment to where they are today, getting ready for the 2016 election. so hillary clinton is embarrassed on the national stage. and she is essentially then says, okay, screw it. i'm going to go and take care of my own career. and i'm going to run for senate. and she does so. she's liberate. >> and you write chuck schumer didn't like her in new york at all. >> he worked against her actually. >> and the kennedys didn't like her. >> kennedys didn't like her and schumer went against her in the election. spoke to her republican opponent and gave him tips, private information that could only benefit him in the campaign. >> so all those people are on the clintons' you know what list because they got on her bad side and she got on theirs. but let me ask you this because one of the most interesting things in here is you write about the supposed deal clintons struck with barack obama. tell us. >> right. so both president obama and president clinton and hillary clinton realized they have mutual beneficial relationship.
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they realize that each one can help the other one. interestingly enough it's changed drastically. in 2008 for instance john mccain told me that he was on the sly talking to bill clinton. he was getting advice on his campaign from bill clinton, essentially. now, i started digging in deeper with mccain and i said was this advice, he said maybe not advice. but they were talking about the state of the race and what voters wanted to hear. and it sounded a lot like advice to me. so this is a story of betrayal. this is a story of political power. and i think it's a great and interesting story. >> but do you believe there was a deal struck between the clintons and president obama that if the clintons backed obama in the last presidential election that they would not then -- that president obama would not then back joe biden? >> yes, i think there's an agreement -- >> you are not expecting barack obama to come out in favor of joe biden candidacy. >> i want to ask you about a
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"clinton, inc." author and weekly standard editor online daniel halper joins us now. chelsea clinton, help or hindrance? >> i think chelsea clinton poses major problems. she is effectively running the operations as i report in my book. and a lot of aides are concerned that she doesn't really know what she's doing and she poses major risks. >> hillary knows what she's doing. >> yeah, but hillary -- you can't take advice from your daughter, right? you can't take advice from your son because you can't have sort of an honest conversation in the way you could with an aide. >> and yet they're doing that? they're deferring to her? >> i don't think they're deferring to her. i think she's taking control. and i think it poses major problems. >> what is this about hillary's enthusiastic pot use. when was that? >> in law school. people who knew her then said she was enthusiastic pot smoker and possibly into other substances. >> but did she inhale? >> i believe she enthusiastically and joyfully inhaled.
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>> so you have some on the record sources on this. it's not all off the record. on the mistress front there was a report from a new book saying bill clinton allegedly had some affair partner who they call the energizer bunny with whom he is still seeing, unconfirmed. whatever. did you interview any of these? >> i interviewed some. i can tell you aides told me that they had to advice bill clinton in the 2008 election not to bring his mistress on the campaign trail. so he is still engaging -- >> clinton aides told you that? >> yes. he's still engaging in reckless behavior and threatens hillary's 2016 run, if you can imagine? >> i'm going to imagine that they denied to speak with you on this book and deny his allegations. more on that when we come back. i don't just make things for a living i take pride in them. so when my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis was also on display, i'd had it. i finally had a serious talk with my dermatologist. this time, he prescribed humiradalimumab. humira helps to clear the surface of my skin
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bret hume is here. meantime, go to facebook.com/thekellyfile. follow me on twitter. what do you think? let me know. and thanks for watching. i'm megyn kelly. this is "the kelly file." welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. tonight, we will be monitoring developments in both ukraine and in gaza throughout the hour as well as the chaos that is now erupting on our southern border. we begin with the investigation surrounding the downed malaysian passenger jet in ukraine. in a moment i will speak exclusively with the ukrainian ambassador to the u.n. but first, the malaysian prime minister said today that the pro-russian rebel leader has agreed to hand over the black boxes from flight 17 and allow safe access to the crash site. now, earlier president obama made a statement at the white house where he called for immediate and full crash site. in a moment we'll head to the region for a full report, but first fox's own ed henry is standing by outside the white house
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