impressed. again, thanks for watching us tonight. miss megyn warming up in the bullpen. there she is. i'm bill o'reilly. please always remember stops here, we're definite lie looking out for you. breaking tonight, a foreign policy crisis going from bad to worse as russia appears to move one step closer toward all-out war with the former soviet state of ukraine. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. on monday president obama stood in the rose garden and said it was time president putin get serious about trying to resolve hostilities with ukraine or else. tonight, amateur video coming into fox news appearing to show what we are told are russian military units. russian military units firing artillery shells into ukraine. although the video's reportedly from last week, the pentagon today called this a clear escalation of hostilities by russia. it's apparently been going on for days now.

so far we've heard nothing more from president obama. in iraq the terror group isis continues butchering the troops we trained. and it emerged at a congressional hearing yesterday that the obama administration refused repeated requests by the iraqis that we target this group with drone strikes. despite the iraqis warnings about isis, the white house later claimed it was caught by surprise when that group took over one-third of iraq. and tonight we have this, what we are told is video of that very terror group, isis, using explosives using it to destroy the tomb of jonah. part of a campaign of terror against more than a million christians in iraq who have now been told to leave, convert to islam or be killed. so far nothing from president obama on this either. elsewhere in the middle east new concerns tonight about hamas using civilians as shields in its war with israel. and launching attacks on israel from civilian neighborhoods in gaza. when israel went after what it

believed were hamas fighters today, it instead appears to have hit a shelter. and there is now horrifying video of injured palestinian children in hospitals. israel says this may have been hamas' own rocket fire. the u.n. says that's not the case and an investigation is underway. secretary kerry's effort to negotiate a deal in gaza appears to have collapsed. so far nothing from the president on that. so where is our leader? calming americans about these global crises which may very well directly impact our security here at home? not exactly. the president spent most of this week fund raising for his party, a $10,000 a plate swa rays. when challenged on his schedule this week by several media outlets, communications director jennifer said changing the president's fund raising schedule could "have the unintended consequence of undually alarming the american people or creating a false sense

of crisis." a false sense of crisis? our lead guest tonight is a man who has dealt with a number of real crises in realtime. jen michael hayden spent 35 years on active duty in the air force, retired as a four-star general, served as the director of the national security agency under presidents clinton and bush, was the deputy director of national intelligence and eventually became director of the cia. not a man who sought the spotlight, general hayden has been making a lot of news lately warning that afghanistan could soon become the next iraq under president obama's plans. explaining why what happened in iraq could have been prevented, and suggesting that iran is a much bigger threat than we realize. joining me now, general michael hayden. general, good to see you tonight. thank you so much for being with us. let's start with russia where "time" magazine has a cover out today suggesting that we are now officially at cold war 2, do you

agree? >> well, that's a pretty dramatic statement. we're pretty close to that, megyn. look, we're looking for a lot of evidence with regard to last thursday downing of that malaysian jet liner. but as far as intelligence is concerned, we know what happened. the russians created the circumstances by which that aircraft was down. and that's a legal and ethical matter. and that needs to be handled in its own right. but at the level of strategy, megyn, at the level of geopolitics, it is unarguable that the russian federation has decided to use its armed forces to overturn the post-cold ware security architecture in europe. that's a big deal. >> uh-huh. >> and it needs to be handled at the level of strategy and policy by the united states and western europe. >> what should the american president be doing about that? i mean, what can he do to call attention to it, to make the case for it? >> well, look, the downing of

the airliner itself's a big deal. the shelling's a big deal. but as you suggested in your build toup this, megyn, there's an awful lot going on being directed by the russians against the ukrainians. i don't think it can stand unanswered. and i guess this is the real point as far as i'm concerned, megyn, it's not just about the ukraine now. it's about what europe's going to look like for the next era. and we have got to in a variety of ways without being belligere belligerent, without wanting war, we have got to make this more costly to putin and the russian federation. we have got to make -- take steps that make them think twice about the kinds of actions that they've been undertaking now for the last two weeks or so seemingly without cost. >> well, the president put in place some sanctions and said if russia continues to, you know, per pursue this course they will be further isolated. is that enough? >> no, it's not enough.

but it's a good thing. don't get me wrong. these are not easily done. and frankly the europeans are a bit of an anchor on our ship here as we're trying to be a bit more aggressive with regard to the russians. these are not the punishing kinds of sanctions we've leveled on the iranians. as serious as they might be, megyn, i would call them sanctions demonstrations. it's kind of you see what we could do. now i think it's time to start demonstrating more aggressively what we can do. >> let's talk about isis and iraq. and this hearing this week that suggested the iraqis have been asking us for drone strikes and calling attention to this group isis since a year ago, august of 2013, trying to alarm us as they have been alarmed to its threat. this is contrary to what the white house said when isis took over one-third of iraq within the past few months when it said it was caught by surprise.

as the man who used to run the intelligence community, do you believe that claim that the white house was caught by surprise by isis? >> it's a mixed bag, megyn. let me try to decompose it a little bit. a more mature sis was growing, threat, was beginning to act a bit more like an army than a terrorist band, i think we've got pretty good information that that should have been clear to american intelligence. and i suspect american intelligence is telling that to our national leadership. the collapse of the iraqi army, that sudden collapse of the army that frankly was fairly well trained, it didn't badly perform, it just didn't perform at all. >> uh-huh. >> it just left because of lack of confidence in its leadership. that might have been a surprise. >> but i'm zeroing in because in january of 2014 isis took over fallujah and flew the black al qaeda flag over fallujah where we sacrificed a lot of american blood and treasure. the president gave an interview

to "the new yorker" saying that group was jayvee and just because a jayvee team puts on a kobe bryant jersey doesn't make them kobe bryant. >> look, i don't think anybody with my kind of background -- as you know, i'm at aspen talking to an awful lot of folks with my kind of background. we view this to be and to have been a very serious and growing problem. but you ask me about the drone strikes. i can understand our reluctance to get involved quickly when the iraqis do an aboutface and say where did you americans go, we kind of need you here now. drone strikes require absolutely exquisite intelligence. you can't -- you just can't turn them on and off. i suspect the iraqis were requesting it more or less like the shiny object that was going to solve their problems. so i can see why we were reluctant to jump in right away. >> fair enough. let me ask you about iraq though because you have talked about our policy there and talked about how the fact that you feel

there were some incredibly unwise decisions there. what are you referring to? >> yeah. look, i think it's pretty clear now, megyn, that zero was not the right number for the residual american force in iraq. and i know the whole deal about the agreement and so on, frankly -- right. i don't think we try hard enough. and i don't think we tried at a high enough level in our government to get the agreement. and, look, i'm not pretending that eight, 9,000 americans leftover goes out and defeats isis. what i'm saying is isis is feeding off the fracturing of the iraqi state and the failure of the iraqi government to be inclusive. when we left the groups, sunni, shia, kurd, all became very distrustful of one another. and they knew without the americans there really bad things might happen. now, look, maybe nobody was planning very bad things, but each of the groups -- none of the groups could trust the

others. so they began to take actions that they thought were defensive. everyone else thought was offensive. and we've actually seen the fracturing of the iraqi state. that's fed the growth of isis. look, megyn, the day after we left nouri al mall ki made an arrest warrant for -- >> you're a man who has served both democratic and republican presidents. and you had incredible positions in our government. i mean, you ran the cia. talk to me about leadership. this isn't necessarily about president obama specifically. but america seems very much in need of strong leadership right now in these times as we possibly head into a second cold war with russia, as we see our closest ally in the middle east, israel, in a war with hamas. how does this time compare in your experience to the past 30

years and the crises that america has faced? >> megyn, you said about america needs leadership. frankly, i think it's better expressed that the world is now suffering from what they perceive to be is a lack of american leadership globally. i haven't experienced that in my professional life. now look, to be fair, megyn, we're a country of limited resources. and part of this is trying to realign the definition of america's interests with the reality of american resources. i get that. but i think we may have overachieved in some areas. and our absence coming late to the party has made many of these circumstances much worse than they would otherwise have been. >> but to those who support president obama and some more noninterventionalist policies and say i don't want to go -- i want -- the polls show people want to get involved in ukraine, don't want to go back to iraq,

they don't want to get involved in these issues. what would you say? >> look, i understand the concern, i understand the fatigue we have as a nation. i understand that every one of these cases, megyn, i can't give you a course of action that guarantees success. we could fail in any or many of them. but i believe in my heart of hearts almost every one of these is a pay me now or pay me later. and the pay me later is a much bigger bill. >> what do you think -- again, this is somebody who's had such an amazing career, what do you make of our commander in chief with all the fund raising and so on? we've seen democrats and republicans come out this week and say why is he doing that. >> yeah. i'll let the political parties sort that out. but i do know that american engagement, an abysmal american engagement is something that my

overseas friends tell me they would like to see more of. >> jen michael hayden, thank you so much for being here, sir. >> thank you, megyn. well, we also asked general hayden if the nsa could find those missing e-mails at the heart of the irs investigation. the viewers ask me this all the time. wait until you hear his answer. we're posting it right now. it's going to take a minute. on facebook.com/megynkelly. watch for it. plus, the irs yesterday had to confess that evidence it claimed to have destroyed may not have been destroyed after all. so we wasn't back and checked some of the agency's other claims about the targeting of conservatives. and wait until you see what we found. and then, did you hear about the democratic senator who plagiarized? no? why is that? you'll hear about it tonight on "the kelly file". plus, the rockets continue to fly into israel tonight, so why did the faa decide to cancel

its ban on u.s. flights to israel's main airport? we'll investigate that next. well, and listen, this decision by the faa raises serious questions. was this a political decision, was it driven by the white house, was it driven by the state department? if it was based on airline safety as they said, why did they single out israel? ♪ don't miss a step... ♪ nothing's missed with tenatwist ♪ ♪ don't miss a beat... ♪ nothing's missed with tenatwist ♪ ♪ oooh discover the fearless protection of tena. so absorbent even when you twist not a drop escapes. ♪ nothing's missed with tenatwist ♪

breaking tonight, new fallout in the controversy over an faa decision to ban all flights into israel's largest airport. the ban started when a rocket landed about a mile or so away from israel's main international airport earlier this week. then the faa decided to change course last night after it says it reviewed "significant new information." but the change of course came also after senator ted cruz and others raised questions about whether the ban was a de facto boycott of israel and in effect a political one. brooke goldstein director of the law fair project. brooke, good to see you tonight. the ban the faa says was put into place because the rocket fell very close to the airport. on the other side is the fact that we don't have a similar ban in place over pakistan or afghanistan, over yemen. and as i pointed out last night,

even over the part of ukraine where a commercial airliner was shot down. we put one in place after the commercial airline was shot down, but in the week prior to that we had several jets shot down there and we did not have a ban in place. so one rocket, you know, near this airport in israel had people saying really. what do you think? >> i think we have to give the faa the benefit of the doubt given the malaysian airways flight being downed and the rocket landing near ben gurion airport. i don't think this amounts to an economic boycott of israel. but there are some legitimate reasons why many people think this was politically motivated. and i think the number one reason is because it was reversed in a matter of hours. and nothing has changed on the ground. the rockets are still firing. israel has not said there's been any enhanced security measures. the only thing that's changed, as you mentioned, is ted cruz and that there's been an outcry and people are calling for what the -- an explanation of what the decision making process is. >> netanyahu asked john kerry to

reverse the ban, i think that was tuesday night he asked for that. the state department is saying they had new information, perhaps they're not sharing it with us, but they had new information regarding the incident with the rocket and they were satisfied on additional security measures. we just don't know right now. we're just going to have to leave it to the viewers to figure out what they think. let me ask you about what happened today in gaza, because we've been talking about the deaths of palestinian civilians. today our own conor powell filed a report talking about the bombing of a u.n. school that was meant to be a safe haven for palestinians and wound up getting bombed. and watch. >> reporter: just a few minutes ago a u.n. school just like this full of kids and refugees was hit by shellings. everybody here saying they're angry there's nowhere safe and want the international community to help. israel says its troops were battling militants, but there are no reports of fighters inside the building that was hit. still, israeli shells destroyed this shelter. at least 16 people including

three u.n. teachers were killed. the local hospital overwhelmed with dozens of injured women and children. the israeli military says they're investigating the incident. >> brooke, let me ask you as somebody as a staunch defender of israel and critic of gaza and hamas i should say. you see those babies in the hospital. and i realize these can be the cost of war, it changes public opinion. what say you about these pictures and what happened today? >> it is terrible that there are civilian casualties in gaza. my heart goes out to the people in gaza who are being used as human shields by a designated terrorist group whose policy, whose moe dus op ren di so use women and children as shields. there are reports that hamas terrorists are running through the streets with infants in their arms shooting at idf

soldiers because they know that pictures of dead children are horrific. and they will be paraded. and the media will take them. and they're not going to question as to how these children have died. but they're going to implicate and use them to vilify israel even though israel is doing everything that it can so minimize civilian casualties. in terms of the united nations released work agency, which is the arm of united nations tasked with providing aid in the west bank for years has been hiring teachers off the hamas payroll, has been allowing its classrooms to be used as recruiting ground for hamas terrorists. and they're doing this all without taxpayer dollars. it is illegal and yet the obama administration for some reason the state department is so easily to impose a ban on an ally, but we cannot ban the continued unbridled funding of a united nations agency that not only assists hamas in recruiting child soldiers but has been

caught now twice hiding rockets in its facilities, in childrens schools and then giving those rockets to hamas to fire them as israeli civilians. >> it's insane. brooke, standby. as brooke just mentioned while israel takes heat over that shelling of the school today, a growing number of media outlets are starting to look at how hamas does use civilians as human shields. and has been storing weapons in schools like the ones the israelis went after earlier. the national organizer for the u.s. campaign to end the israeli occupation and author of "witness in palestine" a jewish american woman in the occupied territory. anna, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> no question what happened today was horrific and those pictures are terrible, but you heard the defense that hamas places children regularly in harm's way. >> there is no excuse, megyn, for bombing safehouses, schools full of men, women and children. these are people like you and

me. 800 palestinians, roughly 800 palestinians killed with u.s. weapons. we are implicated in this. there's no excuse. >> what do you make of the fact that, you know, hamas, it's clear that they use civilians as human shields, that they do try to disguise weapons as babies, that unlike israel it tries to give notice before it bombs, you know, anything. anything including civilian potential area. hamas actually takes civilians, tells them to stay when the bombs are coming. >> megyn, there's actually no evidence that hamas has used palestinian human shields as defined by international law, but if you would like to talk about human shields israel routinely uses palestinian human shields. i've witnessed it with my own two eyes. israel has used palestinian human shields, has defended its so-called right to use palestinian human shields as documented by israeli journalists, human rights organizations and israeli soldiers themselves. >> israel -- do you deny that israel gives notice before it bombs these facilities?

>> you know, if hamas were to drop leaflets over tel aviv saying that unless people evacuated their houses quickly they would be, you know, bombed to smither eens, would we congratulate hamas on their humanitarianism? >> how is israel supposed to fight back against an organization whose entire mission is the destruction of israel? i mean charter that they want to kill all jews. >> hamas is a red herring -- >> but it controls gaza. >> the palestinian people -- >> they elected hamas to run gaza. >> yes, but the policies that israel is enacting are part of a pattern that goes back decades before hamas was even in existence. and if anyone who is very serious about seeing a lasting peace in the area has to address those root causes of the violence. that has to do with suffocating blockade that palestinians have been living under, the brutal occupation that palestinians

have lived under for more than 40 years. and the ongoing displacement and ethnic cleansing of palestinians for more than 60 years, anyone who really wants to see peace has to address these underlying issues. >> anna, thank you. i want to tell the viewers were now being told there will be some news on the push for a cease-fire at some point tomorrow. we don't know whether that's hopeful or not. before we go, did you want to respond to her, brooke? >> absolutely. i think it's so interesting that anna can come on television and claim that there's no evidence that hamas is using its own people as human shields when all you have to do is go on hamas tv or listen to the statements of hamas ministers and they publicly admit what they are doing. so i don't understand how somebody can have any credibility going on television and lying to your audience that there's no evidence that hamas is deliberately using civilians as human shields. >> they praise the deaths of certain of those civilians -- >> and they celebrate the deaths. exactly. >> that has been well-documented.

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forth that happens when people afly for 051 c-4. >> a year later he changed his tune and fessing up to knowing about it long before the scandal made headlines. >> what i knew was there was a list. i did know that tea party was on it. i didn't know what else was on the list. i had a partial set of facts. >> in march of this year the new irs commissioner promised to hand over all of lois lerner's e-mails. remember, she's the woman at the heart of this scandal. >> are you or are you not going to provide this committee all of lois lerner's e-mail? >> we are already -- >> yes or -- >> yes, we will do that. >> it was a promise the irs repeated over and over again, until we found out that her hard drive crashed and e-mails from a crucial timeframe had mysteriously vanished into thin air. >> the first time i knew that e-mails had been lost from her account was in april. >> so he found out in april, but

congress and the american people did not find out until last month. and then we were told, you know, the computer crashed and there definitely were no backups to miz lerner's hard drive. >> we confirmed backup tapes from 2011 no longer existed because they had been recycled pursuant to the irs normal policy. >> we confirmed it. they confirmed, no backup tapes. until, yeah, you guessed it. suddenly we found out this month maybe they do have backup tapes. >> right now the question is do i know anything more about tapes, backup tapes, and the answer is i don't know any more other than that the i.g. is investigating whether there are backup tapes and whether in fact they're recoverable. >> what? what do you mean he's investigating whether there are some? you just said under oath that there aren't. that they do not exist. so what are we to make of all of this? a former justice department attorney and legal editor of pj media, chris, this is the head of the tax agency asking us to trust him and vouching for lois

lerner as he is either terribly informed or worse. >> it's becoming the beltway clown show, megyn. lie after lie, flip after flop, that's what's characterized this irs scandal. don't forget there's a lot more. we had -- it was a low-level employee in cincinnati lie. we had lois lerner flip and flop over the fifth amendment before congress. but perhaps the biggest flop of all, megyn, is the president of the united states. because president obama a year ago said he was angry. he read the inspector general report. he was furious about it. he's going to get to the bottom of it. fast forward to 2013. there's not a smidgen of corruption. that's what's going on with this scandal is complete dishonest lying, flip-flopping like a bunch of rogues who don't think there's any accountability. >> all right. let me -- let me play advocate for the president here because he said when he first said i'm

outraged, as outraged as anybody, he wanted to see the full investigation. and the inspector general report had made clear targeting was going on. it was crystal clear targeting of conservative groups had been going on. but since then i would imagine the president would argue corruption hasn't been proven. what he thinks happened is these employees trying to do a good thing, which is make sure groups weren't too political to get nontax exempt status. that's what they were trying to do. and they didn't go about it the right way, but they weren't corrupt. >> well, that's always the first line of defense with this administration is they say it's just a bunch of incompetence. it's not incompetence, megyn. it's people who shared the president's beliefs about free speech, about a supreme court case called citizens united that allowed people to speak freely. and this president and this irs, this administration, was doing everything it could to clamp down on free speech before the 2012 election. >> and we see that in their e-mails.

we see they were like minded with the president in that decision in their e-mails including lois lerner and the department of justice, your old place of employment. coordinating with the irs on the shock and horror of that supreme court decision. >> and that's where it all goes to. but look how crazy it's gotten just the last week. you had very detailed testimony by the commissioner of the irs in front of the house two or three weeks ago saying that, oh, all the backup tapes have been recycled, they're gone. and then low and behold what do we find out today? we find out that there's backup tapes. and so, megyn, it means you can't trust anything, anything, this administration, this irs says about tea party targeting. >> they also said that the hard drive, lois lerner's hard drive, was destroyed. and now this week they say, oh, it was just scratched. that's a material difference. jay christian adams, good to see you. >> you too, megyn. >> they wonder why 70% of the american public wants to see this investigation continue. all the time viewers e-mail or send me a message on twitter to ask, why can't the nsa

recover this so-called lost evidence from lois lerner's hard drive? general michael hayden was a former nsa director. so i asked him that question a little earlier. my viewers write into me all the time and say why can't we just get the allegedly missing lois lerner e-mails from the nsa? and you say? you are going to love his answer. we know you want to hear it. it is up now, right now on our facebook page. facebook.com/megynkelly and hear what he had to say. let me know. leave me a comment and let me know what you think. up next, did you hear about the democratic senator who plagiarized? no? why do you think that is? chris stirewalt. plus, a kelly file follow-up to a professor charged with assault for attacking a pro-life teen on campus. well, the verdict is in. >> she's a professor. and she steals signs.

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governor jan brewer has now ordered a review into her state's execution process after a botched lethal injection for a convicted double murderer. critics are outraged it took nearly two hours for joseph wood to die after being injected last night. but the victims' family say that's nothing compare today what they and their loved ones suffered. wood gunned down 29-year-old debby deets and her 55-year-old father in cold blood after the defendant got a restraining order for beating her. >> everybody from what i heard said it was excruciating. you don't know what excruciating is. what's excruciating is seeing your dad lying there in a pool of blood. seeing your sister there lying in a pool of blood. >> this man, i mean, conducted a horrifying murder. and you guys are going, oh,

let's worry about the drug and the effect. why didn't we give him a bullet? >> this is the first time arizona has used this drug combination. a developing tonight, montana democratic senator john walsh is offering an explanation after he was recently accused of plagiarism for a paper he wrote in 2007. a paper that helped boost his public profile. trace gallagher has more from our west coast newsroom, trace. >> megyn, he borrowed passages from at least nine authors without giving them credit. the apparent plagiarism often word for word was un -- and his medication may be responsible. his campaign issued a statement saying "while commanding the 163 rtd infantry battalion in iraq, he suffered hundreds of ied explosions while in a humvee."

now they're saying it was a single ied attack. senator walsh also says at the time he wrote the paper he was dealing with the death of a fellow veteran. >> when i was at the war college, one of my soldiers back in montana died by suicide. so, you know, academics -- academia probably wasn't the place that i need -- for me to be. >> but a supporter of his opponent, steve danes, points out to fox news that l wa sh began researching and pulling passages for his thesis months before the suicide of his fellow vet. one of the authors apparently plajerized says "maybe he unintentionally didn't cite my work, but it's up to the army war college to determine whether this is acceptable or not." the college is now reviewing the report but says, quoting, there have been eight cases since 1990 for which the army war college revoked the graduation status of a former student, six for

plagiarism, two for misconduct. walsh's campaign says despite this mistake he is a highly decorated soldier who will continue to fight for montanans. megyn. >> trace, thank you. this is a sitting u.s. senator in a tight race for re-election. so why haven't we heard more about this? chris stirewalt is our fox news digital politics editor. chris, why? >> well, one might conclude that there was bias presence in the media, yes, yes, yes. but also the fact that however much we've heard to this point, you're going to get ready to hear a lot more because whatever advantage, whatever thumb was on the scale in his favor versus say rand paul over what passages of speeches that were later found to have been taken from wikipedia, by staffers, et cetera, this is more material since it involves him getting a degree. this case is more material. you're going to hear a lot more about it now because they have screwed this up to such a fair

the well, my goodness, you apologize. you say you are sorry. when you say you did the wrong thing, you say, i'm sorry, i made a mistake, please forgive me. that's what you say. >> and instead they are doing what? >> well, they're forcing the army war college into a corner, aren't they? they're saying, well, it's not so bad. you know what you don't do, you don't fail to attribute basically the conclusion of your paper. when you write a paper you don't lift the conclusion from somebody else and say, oh, i forgot to footnote that. because you think you would get a passing grade -- >> nine times. >> right. and then say here is my conclusion, oh, it came from somebody else, footnote. do you think a professor would accept that? so what he basically did by trying to minimize this he shames the war college, which now has to put out that statement that trace read that said, no, we're tough, we're not messing around. do you think it would work for them to adopt a position that said people who had been in difficult combat situations had a different academic standard?

no. >> so does this change the race? could his seat, obviously he's a democrat, go red because of this? >> well, he was looking pretty toasty before. i would say this is bacon now. i would say this is all cooked. i don't know what else is going to happen. steve danes, who's running against him, is a mild-mannered fellow, not likely to attack over this. but the size, the magnitude of this error and how it relates to the core part of his biography, i would say this will probably scuffer this campaign. >> bacon. thanks, chris. >> well, people love bacon. >> they do. they do. turkey bacon in my case. >> boo. >> okay. up next, a powerful finale to the saga of a woman sentenced to death for being a christian in a muslim country. have you heard the update on mirian abraham? tony perkins huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know words really can hurt you?

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university of california santa barbara, entered a no contest plea to three misdemeanor charges including battery. she is set to be sentenced next month. ms. young told police she's pregnant and the pro-life posters triggered a negative response. also developing tonight, a big victory for religious freedom. miriam abraham, the sudanese woman sentenced to death for being a christian, is free. and even woman sentenced to death for being a christian, is free. and even got a blessing from the pope. to the italian and u.s. governmento reportedly working to free the e new mother and fly her to safety in rome last night.r after she spent six months in a horrific sudanese prison.e tony perkins is the president om the family research council ose whose group worked so hard to secure her freedom.t tony, what a night this is for her and her family thanks in large part to your group and your efforts. part >> well, it is a great day for her and her family. they're finally free. by the way, megyn, i was asked to pass along from those that

have been working behind the scenes an expression of gratitude to you for making this an issue that received a profile that it needed. a religious liberty around this world has been suffering. and it's been suffering because this administration and our beca government hasn't been speaking out.vern religious freedom is not just an american ideal.om it's a human right. and it's being denied a lot of . people. right now there's a thousand pe more of her around the world. >> wow. in the end the italian nd government and our embassy he worked together to get her out o of there. tog which kudos to both of them, tony. and now tonight she and her family are in rome. how long will she stay in rome?o >> it's up to her. all the paperwork has been -- is in order for her to come to ther united states. you are correct, the state department has been working in e the last couple of weeks. a little slow to get started, pl but they have been working because congress -- as you know congress had a hearing yesterday and was five hours after that an hearing that she was on the g th plane on her way to rome. so she'll stay there as long as she wants.

she's resting. kind of regaining her strength. i think they're wanting to makew sure that they're up for the attention that i think they realize they're going to receive when they come here to the united states. >> right. possibly to new hampshire where her husband has ties.sb it's incredible when you think,e tony, that miriam was in this sudanese prison, this awful m place with her infant newborn on and 2-year-old and sentenced to die. and look at the reversal, blessed by the pope, alive and , well and headed hopefully for a much brighter future. i'll give you the last word.d. >> well, it's courage. she is an example of courage. 27 years old, facing death, and, she refused to deny her faith i, jesus christ.h and look where she's at today. she was with the pope from a sudanese prison to the holy sea. big turnaround. p >> god bless them. tony, thank you so much. >> thank you, megyn.you appreciate all you've done. egyn >> listen, you too. it's great to bring good news to you. g you know, for once in a while it's great.at and it's not the power of me,

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and now by popular demand, the question of the night. my viewers write in to me all the time and say why can't we just get the allegedly missing lois lerner e-mails from the nsa? and you say? >> pretty simple, nsa doesn't target americans despite all those urban legends out there. but, megyn, let me make you an offer. i've seen the technicians at nsa take hard drives that terrorists think they have destroyed and actually pull an awful lot of

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