we will see you back here in an hour. >> having fun so far? >> always with you. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. this is "outnumbered." happy friday, everyone. i am sandra smith and jedediah is here and adam housley is our guest here. this is your debut. >> my mother and wife are watching so i have to be careful. >> great to have you. we will use your expertise on the border. >> i am the west coast bureau and my colleagues and i spend a lot of time there and have seen a lot of changes over the last

12 and a half years. >> a lot of changes in the last 12 and a half months. >> and 12 and a half days even. >> in two hours from now, president obama will welcome leaders from honduras, guatemala and el salvador. this comes as the obama administration is weighing giving refugee status to children before they arrive in the u.s. over half of voters, 56%, disapprove of how president obama is dealing with this all. adam, i guess with your experience, from what you have seen is there a solution we can come to to fix the crisis?

>> i think there is a solution to any problem. this isn't an easy one because we waited too long. one solution is to make a stand. it would not be a bad thing for the president, secretary of state, someone to go to central america and stand on their soil and say this is a dangerous trip. it isn't allowed. and you will not be able to stay in the united states. you need to stand in line and follow the rules like everybody else does. but from being down in central america, there is a lot of misinformation down there. like anywhere the press in those countries can be easily manipulated. so these people think we can do this, we can go, we can stay and all it takes is one leader or one coyote with a lot of money to manipulate the people. >> and you believe the president should get to the border and get there now. >> i think a stand should be made. not to threaten people, but there is a lot to be said when an american leader comes down.

no matter what people think about us around the world but the fact is when the united states president shows up and says don't come, it isn't safe, and you are not allowed to stay -- no one else can do that. the leadership in their own countries are not strong. you have to think about those things. >> and harris, the polling showing americans don't like what is going on. >> they feel like it is out of control. the unknown is what people don't like. you don't know what the situation is going to turn out. it was 52, 000 children and they are projecting 90,000 and above if the situation isn't fixed by november. you are calling on the president to show swagger south of the border. i saw the president of honduras having interesting words criticizing our president and our immigration policy and he walked that back in a later

statement. but i thought it was interesting to see what others say when they criticize the president. >> this isn't an immigration problem. it is a refugee crisis. in the region where people are fleeing there has been a 700 percent increase in the children going into the country seeking asylum. they are two separate issues. so to say the president should be going down and telling them they cannot come here -- the parents are selling homes and doing whatever they can to get the kids out of the countries because they are going to be killed in those countries. the violence is so high. >> i disagree. >> i have done a lot of reporting on this and every single humanitarian organization working with the kids said there is no question they are three fleeing violence and they are going to continue to go wherever they can. and i know viewers are concerned how will we take care of the

kids but we need to remember 90% of them are united with family members here. they are not being put into foster care or the adoption center. they are being reunited with families who have their verified. >> they referenced that but said part of the problem is the am ambuigity. >> but they are going to all sorts of countries. the united states is just one. >> there must be a million refugee spots around the world and we cannot take them all. >> but we don't do things because we cannot do everything. 90% of them with are families. we are not paying for them.

>> can the countries help pay? >> pay for what. >> is there a better way to assess who the actual refugees are? maybe a large percentage are and i read your research and i think you are doing a great job on expressing that point of view. but is there a better way to assess the situation in the home countries, see what the kids are going through so we don't encourage kids with who are not refugees come over and break the law but we accommodate those situations that are needed. >> that is what the president is saying. is there a way to grant them asylum status before they leave. the republicans are saying turn them away at the bord skwr not let them see a judge. and i am saying let them see a judge and let the judge determine if they are a refugee.

>> there has been violence in central america for years. >> but it has been getting worse. >> i would argue it hasn't. in some countries it is better. >> not in honduras. >> i can tell from being there seven years ago and there was major violence. some of the countries have gotten better >> honduras the most dangerous country in the world. >> but you have countries that have gotten better. >> but they are coming from the two most violent countries in the world. >> i would not say they are the most dangerous. >> more than iraq and afghanistan? >> we have the leaders meeting in a couple hours. what do you expect to come from the meeting? >> i think the united states is going -- we will not hear all of but you will have the president and the administration put pressure on the leadership that

needs to be put on it. but there is no easy answers. there are many variables and there are answers but not easy ones >> and the democrats and republicans are so far apart. >> john boehner came out with a statement after meeting the president because they meet before they all meet and there is a long list of republicans who will be part of the discussion and one thing we are seeing is movement of people talking about this on hill because people were standing off and not wanting to weigh in on it. >> the republicans and the president are realizing people are going to have to meet. if there president's policy places some role in this we need to factor it in and figure out what to do now and do in the future to prevent this and make sure we have something to handle this immediately. >> news making on the meeting

and we will cover it when it happens in a couple hoursism meanwhile, word from the state department that russia is in fact firing artillery next door in the ukraine. this video is showing shells fired into ukraine from russia. the chairman of the joint staff said this is changing things and having an affect on the relationship between the united states and russia. megyn kelly put the question to the former cia director general michael hayden. >> let's start with russia. where time magazine has a cover out today suggesting we are at cold war 2. do you agree? >> well, that is a pretty dramatic statement, but we are pret close to that, megan. it is unarguable that the

russian federation has used forces to overturn the post-cold war architecture in europe. that is a big deal. >> cold war. let's talk about that. that is so like we are reliving history. our old staunch enemy russia fighting overground and annexing others. >> this has been going for more than the past few months. look at urasia. they are an important energy supplier and he has been messing there for years. that comment shows the united states foreign policy is late to the party or we are not as open about what we knew. he has been doing this for some time.

he is stirring up the region and re-create what the soviets once had. >> are we at a tipping point, jedediah? >> we are reliving history with a different president and putin is flexing his muscle. hilary clinton came out and said the chief thought the reset was a success. really? you think he is backing off? you think he expected the united states to play a leadership role? he knows obama needs the help of europe and will take a back-seat. >> the conversation is what should the president be doing about this now. megyn kelly went on to ask hayden what he things the president should do and he said quote we have to make it more costly on the federation. he said the sanctions are more like sanctions demonstrations and we need tougher sanctions that stifle the russian economy so that putin doesn't think he can go on and do something like

this again. >> it is so interesting. i had this vision of an information of what we are showing russia but not doing. >> people mock the idea of saying europe should get involved but they should. this isn't something the united states can do on their own because they have more of a relationship with them. unless they want to take a hit to their economy and sever relationships there is not going to be a lot of change. putin is aspiring for us to go back to a cold war situation but i don't think we are there. >> i think europe has to lead this but i think we have to have a leadership when it is the president or someone on this side of the pond that comes out and says -- look at the difference in the reaction from the shootdown when president reagan and president obama.

significant difference. >> the korean airline shot down in the 1980s and the soviet union was keeping people from the sight. this sounds like the reverse button. not the reset button. >> to be fair, they were slightly different situations. and reagan didn't speak for five days afterwards. he didn't want to leave the ranch and was pressured. it was a plane that left the united states and was filled with american. all life is sacred but when the leaves the united states and filled with americans and a russian jet was trailing the plane for two hours and knew it was a passenger airliner and shot it down it was a little different. >> when president reagan did speak, he did what sandra is talking about, he put such a hurting on the soviets dollar wise that they had no other recourse. they had to feel the pain.

>> we all say europe has to lead. what if they don't? what are we prepared to do? europe may step in more if they see a strong american presence. we are the leader of the free world. we come out and put serious red lines and you may see a tougher europe coming in. >> just to get this in, one of the british members of parliament, madeleine moon said this -- we are not ready. europe isn't ready. we have to step up. i am paraphrasing her. intense fighting continues in gaza. new efforts are underway to work out the terms of a potential seize fire between israel and hamas. and a disturbing trend among highschoolers all in the name of looking good and boosting academic performance. academic performance. ...and a choice.

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the amount of teens experimenting with growth hormones are doubled and steroids expanded as well. and 9% of teen girls report experime experimenting with the drug. adam, you are a former pro-baseball player. why is there such a heavy upswing? marketing? not doing as much drug testing? >> easy access. more affordable and it was there when i was in high school. i knew guys that tried it. when you get to the pros it is for a different reason. but it is access and affordab affordability. you can see the athletes in great shape and they want to get

there but not want to work. >> kids are saying they can get fake products and they are not regulated. do we need more government regulations? >> no, i think we are spending a lot of money on it in general. i ran track at lsu and you were consta constantly tested and that was part of being a division one athlete and we all agreed to it. my take is i feel like it is the top athletes that engage in this and they feel pressure to remain at the top of their games. it isn't the ones trying to watch up often times. but i will tell you the reasons i didn't engage but for everything that would help your body there would be two negatives. and i would pay the consequences later on. it was never a consideration for me. but definitely prevalent. >> what i have been curious about is what kind of conversation goes on at the level about that?

>> never had one with the girls i ran with. >> they talk about cocaine and marijuana and these are powerful drugs, too. when are the conversations happening from the other direction with the leadership in the locker room? >> we still talk about it. >> the players do? with your coaches? >> i would say at the college level maybe the higher ones would be likely but at the prolevel we don't talk about the ones that were tied to. but we talk about the guys that we knew were late draft choices and then hitting 25 home runs. it was the guys that were not going to make it and the drug put them to the next level. >> what about the role that parents and coaches can play moving forward, kristin? someone has to take a leadership

role and i think it starts in the home. >> you have to wonder you will not make it without the drug? how would you convince that person saying you will not have your dream career -- don't do this. have you had that conversation? did you every take? >> no, but one of my roommates did. and he was quite and now aggressive and i said why and he said i didn't get a degree and this is my chance. you don't think about it when you are 55-60 and you get cancer. >> parents have a serious conversation with kids about this. and the president is back after it is said the president doesn't care what people thing. we will debate that coming up. we will debate that coming up.

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you are watching "outnumbered" and we are glad you are. now to the latest news on what we have been watching in gaza. secretary of state john kerry is working to get a temporary seize fire deal between israel and hamas. people are dying on both sides. the plan is hit the pause button on the war by the weekend. john hut is live at the border. >> reporter: we have seen a lot of action. airstrikes in the distance in gaza and heard and seen mortar fire from israeli ground forces very compolose to our location. this as the fighting continued to range on overnight and into the morning hours along the israeli and gaza border. airstrikes in northern gaza and southern gaza and southern gaza

has seen and heard about intense fighting going on there the last couple days as israeli ground troops are moving in and rooting out as we reported the extensive network of hamas militant tunnels. this has been a primary objective and we hear artillery fire in the distance there. this has been a primary objectiobjec objective of rooting out the tunnels from day one. this is the 18th day. we are waiting for word from the secretary of state john kerry announcement about a temporary seize fire proposal that would start saturday and go until next sunday giving both sides a chance to come to a peace agreement. we heard and saw violent clashes between palestinian in the west bank with the people and the

police. five people were killed and dozens injured as the death toll on both sides continues. we are hearing 35 israeli soldiers have been killed and three civilians on the ground. more than 800 people in gaza palestinians have been killed and close to 5,000 at this point have been wounded. this as the fighting continues on the israeli-gaza border. >> john, thank you very much. and on the "outnumbered" couch today adam housley has been there. in fact, i remember your reporting. why is it so hard to get a seize fire between the two? >> there is a book i read a number of years ago called "war without end" and that is truly what it is. people need to realize and maybe americans don't understand is the palestinians are not respect bide their arab neighbors either.

they have outside influences influencing them that don't have their best interest in mind because they don't accept them. >> that is interesting. you will see other terror groups but not other countries stepping in. >> we were in kuwait -- and they don't want them there. this is a situation you have to cut this off with people on the cut this off with people on the outside influencing hamas and

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>> and out of time. >> and adam thank you for being with us on outnumbered. we'll see you back here on monday. "happening now" starts right now. three developing stories we are watching. brand new fox polls have americans speak out on obama's handling of health care and foreign policy and more. >> one border governor wants national guard to make arrest. will he face legal hurdles? >> and the u.s. said russians are firing into ukraine from russian territory. we'll get the latest from the pentagon on the escalating crisis. >> we begin with a fox news alert. israel killing a leading islamic militant.