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histor history. >> ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. >> thank you. thank you. and welcome to "huckabee" from the fox news studios in new york city. while president obama is too busy being just out there, shaking down some fat cat donors for the democratic party, kind of combination of boss hog and daddy warbucks. doing that more than taking care of his day job. fact is, doesn't seem like he has a whole lot of interest in doing that job. his awol status combined with his passive indifference to a world in crisis makes his leadership model the combination of nero and nevel chamberlain. in israel's fight for survival,

his administration's policy is embarrassing, attempting to equate terror group's intentional targeting of civilians with legitimate government seeking to defend its civilians. the deaths both israelis and innocents in gaza are horrible and tragic. to equate israel's defense of itself with the aggressive inhumane and savage is asiri dick will you say as having franklin roosevelt saying brits and nazis were both about the same. 41 years ago this month i made my first trip to the middle east. i tried to be sympathetic and wanted to believe that everyone there wanted piece. several wars, thousands of terrorist acts and suicide bombings, the disastrous accords, repeated rejections of any peace accord despite massive

give away of land by the israelis made me realize that they want the anightilation of israel. they don't want peace for their children. they want death to the israeli children. israel has done more than any nati nation, including the united states, to avoid killing of t the -- israel isn't trying to take one inch of gaza back. they just want hamas to stop firing rockets into their neighborhoods. do they get credit for that? are they acknowledged for building field hospitals near the gaza border? are they thanked for not celebrating the deaths of children? no. john kerry commits money intended for civilians but that money will be used to buy more weapons and rockets and offers

the psychpathic killers of hamas your money. aren tunnels aren't for a subway system but a means of killing more israelis. the u.n. ought to demand that hamas stop firing rockets and unilaterally disarm, wells fill in the tunnels. they're not going to do that. when it's discovered a u.n. relief was housing hamas rockets, the u.n. did at first express outrage, then gave the rockets back to haums so they could probably kill more jews. the u.n. shouldn't get another dime of american money. what defend beers of the murderers and terrorists of hamas fail to get is that the same people who hate israel and enjoy the deaths of jewish children also hate america and are merely practicing on israel what they hope one day to do to us. if americans, and especially our president and his clown car cabinet don't know that, then we are in more danger than we've ever been in.

well, if you didn't know where i stood on the conflict in the middle east, now you know. our next guest may have a different view, director of human rights watch. ken, thank you for being here. my views on this are very strong and it's based on the many, many times i've been to the region. help me understand if they have not intentionally targeted children, which i don't believe they have, they've not intentionally targeted civilians, although civilians unfortunately have tragically died, how is it a war crime if it's a result of hamas massing people near their missile launchers? >> let me give you examples as to the way they're doing it. one, it is targeting civilian structures that it shouldn't be. for example, hospital. where they didn't even allege

there was hamas military near it. nonetheless it destroyed the hospital. >> didn't feel that there was some launchers there, terrorists living in that. >> no. what they said is that there is a rocket launcher 100 meters away. precision weapons long ways away. targeted the rocket launcher, then destroy the hospital. second example is that there are times they claim they're going after militants but do it when there are many, many civilians around. killing nine men in a beach cafe, watching the world cup. maybe there was one militant there. they never even claimed that. they never should have shot him with a bunch of civilians around. killing an entire family, 25 people, because maybe there was one militant there. the family was breaking the ramadan fast. they should never have shot. >> ken, anybody suggests that israel intentionally killed innocents? >> that's the point. that's not the standard alone. if you are targeting civilian

structures, that's a war crime. >> have you ever seen a nation that sent text messages, phone calls, leaf lets and even dropped dummy bombs to basically say get the heck out of here? while israel is telling people to get away from these sites, hamas is telling them stay put. >> israel does the right thing by giving warnings. if you're targeting the wrong thing it doesn't justify it. if they're hitting somebody's home, giving a warning first doesn't make it justified. >> the israelis have been very clear that they regret horribly what have happened to people that are not -- but this would all stop if hamas would disarm. israel has never attacked gaza unprovoked, never gone in there. they've got to destroy those tunnels. why hasn't the u.n., the international nation gone behind israel say you step out of the

way. let us go in there, disarm hamas, take these tunnels sbout, therefore, there won't be this conflict? >> you can argue both ways who should have the cease fire, who not. >> these aren't equals, ken. >> no, they're not. >> i want to clarify that. i don't think you're saying that hamas and israel are equally wrong. we've made it like there's a moral equivalent. i can't find that. >> what you've got to distinguish is the right or wrong of choosing to fight and the separate issue of how you fight. and both hamas and israel have shown them how to fight, defying the geneva convention. israel also in a different way deliberately violating the policy, disproportionate casualties, shooting at civilian structures, not taking adequate care to determine that the

person they're firing at isn't a child rather than a fighter. >> in light of what you're saying, by that token -- >> the issue is not do you kill civilians but what rules do you follow? let me say, in other words, if killing a civilian, if you're deliberately targeting a militant. that may be an unfortunate mistake. if you target a militant knowing he's surrounded by civil iians, that's a disproportionate -- >> if they have herded people into those, standing on roofs with their bare chest as if to dare, hit me with a bullet so i can be a martyr. i don't know what we expect out of israel. >> one of their pr techniques is to say human shields. that's a technical term which

involves coercively rounding people up. there's no evidence -- >> i'm not sure i'm going to take "the new york times" over the israelis. i know both of them rather well. i'm going to go with the israelis. i'm sorry, we're out of time. i would love to continue this conversation. i appreciate your being here. i appreciate your candor in expressing views. i don't want any innocent civilian to die. the way we can end it immediately is for the entire world to express their outrage at hamas. a known terrorist organization by our own state department definition of terrorist organization coming together and putting a stop to them. i hope that happens. >> everybody wants to see the war over with. while it's being fought, it's important to stress not just hamas but also to israel that you've got to follow the rules not to kill civilians and neither one right now is following these rule. >> israel has never celebrated

the death of a civilian. so many of qatar, egypt and other places celebrating the death. i find that repulsive. >> a big problem, they don't celebrate the deaths but do nothing about them. they should be prosecuted. >> i disagree. we'll have to take that up next time. ken, thank you for being here. appreciate it very much. i was struck at an awareness of israel's historical connection to god and sense of history and it reminded me how few of america's kids even understand the crucial role of god in u.s. history. god has had a role in making america into the incredible nation we are. as part of the learn our history dvd series i'm involved in, you can receive a free dvd of one nation under god. get yours at free god dvd.com. he says obamacare is on the

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this week, federal appeals cases regarding subsidies that up to 5 h00 consumers believe would help lift their financial burden. struck down the law, ruling that the insurance subsidies were illegal in 3 dozen states. less than two hours later, a panel of the u.s. court of appeals for the fourth district ruled the opposite on a separate case. this is yet another major hit to the affordable care act. on . >> we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it. >> since that law was passed, the american people have been finding out what's in it. there have been over 40 obamacare delays and

administrative fixes, continuous website glitches and 100 lawsuits filed. now with the most recent rulings regarding subsidies, the price of health care insurance could go up for many americans. 87% of the 5.4 million enrolled in the federal exchange receive federal help. the subsidies cut the cost of insurance by 76%. without the subsidies, the average consumer in new jersey would pay $317 more a month. in indiana, $336 more a month. in mississippi, $415 more per month, a state that has 94% of its consumers receiving subsidies. overall, the 36 states using the federal exchange would lose out on over $3.6 billion of government subsidies, a figure affecting well over half of the population of the country.

>> if the ruling is upheld, it will be a major blow to the legislation, essentially shutting down the exchange system. joining me now is mern america's professor of neurosurgery. dr. ben carson. doctor, good to have you with us. thank you so much for joining us today. >> good to be with you. >> dr. carson, first of all, react to the ruling itself and what it really does mean to americans in 36 states. >> basically, the law, which, of course, is voluminous states that the subsidies are for people who work through state exchanges. it seems like the logical thing

to do rather than putting on your musicians hat and trying to figure out what congress meant. send it back to congress and ask them, what did you guys mean? it's not like they're in timbuktu. they're right around the corner. >> they're on vacation right now, dr. carson. that's the problem. they take five weeks off while all of this is going on. >> even if we have to wait five weeks, we can still find out what they meant. i think they would be quite, frankly, quite afraid to send it back because, you know, as nancy pelosi said, you have to pass it before you find out what's in it. now that we found out what's in it, there's not a chance it would pass. they're not going to send it back there. >> you make a very, i think, important point. words mean something. when it's written into the law -- and we were just told this how many times. this is the law of the land. i remember that phrase over and ov over. the law of the land. we're going to have to change

the law of the land. we're going to have to admit that they didn't really have a clue what was in it. >> what alarms you most? what is it that we still haven't encountered out of obamacare that we're going to? >> of course, you look at all these delays that have occurred and particularly the delay in the employer mandate which now have been pushed all the way back to january well beyond the november elections. when that hits there are going to be millions, tens of millions of americans who will be affected by that who will see skyrocketing premiums and inability to get the insurances they want. and if, in fact, they can't get subsidies because of the way the exchanges are set up, it's going to make it that much worse. and the real problem, as far as i'm concerned, is not the glitches with the computer sign-up system and all these other problems. the real problem is that we have taken the most important thing that people have, their health

care, and we've put it in the hands of bureaucrats. the candle shows us what happens when you take layers of bureaucrats and you put them in between the people and health care providers. this is a nonstarter. why do we have to make something so important into a political issue? we do have the ability to provide good health care for people. and it can be in their own hands and in the hands of their health care providers. this is not necessary unless you are attempting to gain control of the populous. >> we only have about a minute left. i would love to get a prescription from you. every time i go to the doctor, i always get a prescription. i like dr. ben carson's prescription in a minute or so. what should we be writing out for health care reform in america? >> thank you. well, bottom line, i mean, there's a lot that you can read in the books. but health care savings accounts are so important. it puts it back into your

control. whether you need an x-ray, you get to decide birth control pills. no hobby lobby situation. all of these things are taken out of your health savings account. you give people flexibility within a family so they have extra $5,000, from his wife, his mother, his sister, his daughter. makes every family their own insurance company with no middleman. gives you enormous flexibility. you're not impinging on your major health care. the cost of that goes down enormously and make that available across state lines. that puts it back in the hands of people. you have a variety of ways that you can fund those hsa's, all of which would cost considerably less than this debacle. >> great prescription, one i have believed in for a long time. i think you are exactly on target. that is real health care reform. dr. ben carson, thank you so much. great to have you here. >> thank you. >> if we want a change in

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david, you are a political newcomer, defeated a good guy, jack kingston, who i know and like a lot. i didn't get involved in that race either way because i think you're both good guys. what was your election about in terms of what it was saying to the voters? >> you're right, governor. thank you for having me. i ran against a very popular congressman, who did a great job for the people of georgia. we ran on the failed policies of this administration and the people of georgia are very concerned about the debt, economy and jobs. and that's what we talked about the last year. >> you know i also was very impressed, both with the way you handled your win and your graciousness to congressman kingston. he was extremely gracious and generous and pledged his absolute support to your election. tell me, what is different about the relationship you guys have and some that we see across the

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and adinesh here in studio. since we talked there have been quite a bit of news in the area of immigration. i would like to think all of us ought to believe america ought to be a welcoming place. we ought to get on our knees and thank god we live in a country that people are trying to break into, not one they're trying to break out of. that's a good thing. our leaders, being sensitive enough to the issue and balancing the legal aspects and the humanitarian. >> i would say that we're not being told enough about either side of this issue for us to be informed enough to have a real opinion. i do think that there's a kind of epic in the country which is on the side of compassion. when you're talking about children, you have to be slightly more compassionate than normal. but our newspapers and our

schools don't instruct us any more in what the reasons are for these things to happen. so, in fact, i have to say i have no opinion about a current event because we're not taught how to study them. >> interesting perspective. dinesh you are, yourself, an immigrant. you came to this country, saw it from a different perspective than many people. you came legally. when you see the issues we're seeing on the border, which basically i don't think we have much of a border these days, how do you react to it? >> well, i agree with richard dreyfuss that the great puzzle here is why now? tens of thousands of people are mysteriously showing up on the border. now we call them refugees. they're not refugees because a refugee is somebody who is coughed up by a tyranny in a foreign country or some sort of revolution that is causing an

exodus. that's not what's happening. most governments down there are democratic. what's going on can be explained not by looking over there but by looking right over here. our political leadership has been signaling that it's not serious about locking the border. and, moreover, it wants to give amnesty to law breakers in the country. if you show up with kids with outstretched arms, this is a country that's decent, that has people who have compassion. it's going to be hard for them to say nochlt i fear -- i fear that the obama administration is exploiting the decency of the american people to make it a political point. >> richard, the immigration situation, think it's kids versus talking about the drug cartels, central terrorists. you said you don't have an opinion, but i can't imagine that you don't have an opinion. how do we make the distinction between the good guys and the bad guys if we don't check them when they come to the door, if we don't even have a door?

>> well, if we don't check them, that means we don't check the history of the region. and to say that 20 years ago is the same as now, we had gangs killing families and people worked against those gangs through their fathers, who were then killed. and it took 20 years for people to realize that these kids were on their own and they better get the hell out of there. but it's not that it's a different situation up here. it's the same situation that we've learned how to deal with -- they've learned how to deal with differently. and i admit, we're not supposed to take care of all the problems of the world. we are not. but when children show up at our borders and turn -- and we want to turn them back to what? to the people who raped their sisters and kill their brothers? i don't think so.

>> but a lot of the crime that happened to these kids happened as they made the journey to america. they weren't as vulnerable in their home countries but they were really abuse bid these chi oat ys who made a lot of money bringing them to the u.s. and bringing them illegally. people are paid at the government not the kids. i blame the government to for not making sure we know who they are. >> i have nothing but compassion for the people who wanted to come over. frankly if we lifted the curtain half of the earth would come over here if they could. there's a process. we're a very generous country. we let in 800,000 to 1 million people legally every year. i understand your plight. there's a line and there's a process. follow the process and you'll become a citizen. >> stay put. may not cover all the important parts of our history and will tell us why when we come back. stay with us.

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>> it's not just my teacher. it's in the history book. >> that makes it true all right. dinesh d'souza and richard dryefuss are back with us. kids are indoctrinated into a version of america that may not be complete and full. do you feel like your film gives us a different version of a more complete picture of america? >> i think what's happened is there's a narrative that's developed in america since the '60s. it's taught not only in colleges but spread out into elementary and secondary schools, defined by america being the bad guy. columbus that was mentioned here. the interesting thing is cls came in 1492. america was started in 1776. so right there, it's very interesting that america gets blamed not only for columbus who, by the way, neverlanded in

america, but the crimes of the spanish conquistadors, the french, the british. this is all now saddled on america. why? i call it the shaming of america. what's happening in our schools is there's a political desire to undermine the patriotism of young people, the natural patriotism by telling them the american stories is the story of owe pregnancy. i challenge that narrative and say from an immigrant's point of view, it's not that america hasn't made mistakes but all those mistakes blamed on america are universal. >> i don't know anybody who has been more outspoken in saying that we don't know our history very well, that we failed to understand the uniqueness of america. you've seen the film. what's your reaction to dinesh's film that tries to prevent a different side of america? >> well, actually, it has a title that says "america:what would the world be like without her"?

and it never addresses that question. what it does is to do a very traditional overview of america's past and say, well, other people had slavery, capitalism. it never addresses the issue of what did we do about these things? >> i think it does, richard. let me stop you. i think it did. one of the point ice complimented dinesh on is that he said we were the only nation that addressed slavery from within. we didn't have a country come in and take us over. we addressed it. we fixed it. women's rights. we fixed it. >> excuse me one second. >> okay. go ahead. >> excuse me. the problem nowadays in america is that we're actually expected to understand american history from sound bites and chapter

headings without going into the chapter. the civil war was fought for slavery but it was begun for union. and if you had asked the northerners to fight for slavery at the beginning of the war, they would have sat at home and said no. it took them three years to get to the point of the moral level of fighting for slavery. that's a complex difference between, we fought for slavery or for against slavery. what dinesh is doing is to try to defend against other mistakes. we didn't do mistakes that any other people didn't do. that's not an answer. >> i was trying to make two points. in the first point is that, actually, slavery was not first ended in america. the british ended slavery before we did and the french as well. but there weren't many slaves there. the difficulty in america is that slavery was critical to our economy, driving the industrial revolution. we were the only country to

fight a great war to end slave richlt emerson said this was not the revolution of the oppressed but the retention of the tyrant. what he meant by this was that the northern boy whose died on those battlefields, 300,000 of them, died to secure the slaves for freedom. the slaves were not in a position to secure for themselves. that is to the moral credit of america. the other point i want to make is that reform in america is always a going back to the principles of the mev american revolution. i'm not saying we didn't do wrong. segregation was specifically an american wrong. when martin luther said here is my promissory note, who wrote it? thomas jefferson. martin luther king civil rights movement would not have been possible had it not been for the principles of the american revolution itself. >> i don't want to be called into a partisan discussion because i am not a partisan. i'm neither a democrat nor a republican, a liberal or a conservative. i look to the constitution of the united states. and i would say the most

mysterious thing about me being on this show is this book is called "america:what would the world be like without her it never answers that question. >> the world of the dawn of humanity was driven. land and wealth by taking it from someone else. america invented a rival epic, epic of wealth creations. if the world didn't have america right now, the conquest epic would return with a vengeance. the chinese, russians, they're using wealth creation but still believe in conquest. all the commerce of the world that goes across the world's oceans right now would be unsafe if it wasn't for the u.s. navy. the world needs america now, as it has in the past. >> it's been great having you both. i wish we could continue the discussion. hopefully, we can. you have great perspectives.

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"bridges." great have youing. >> i'm so excited to be here. >> i am so jealous. when i looked at all the people have you done duets with and includes neil sedaka and ronnie milsap. so many great -- the oak ridge boys. how did you -- >> the list goes on and on. >> how did you pull that off? >> miracle by miracle, i'm telling you. you know, i started singing in the texas oprys and fell in love with traditional country music and went to nashville and met a couple people and they said, you know, we think you could do this and want to work with you and see you grow and so it just -- you know, happened as time went on and the artists kept coming on and by the time it was done, it was crazy to think we have this project. >> we're going to do a song from the album that you recorded with merle haggard himself. i'm excited about it.

it's a great old merle haggard classic, "the fighting side of me." ready? >> three, four. ♪ ♪ i hear people talking bad about the way that we have to live in this country ♪ ♪ harping on the wars we fight and i don't mind switching sides and standing up for things they believe in ♪ ♪ when they're running down my country man they're walking on the fighting side of me ♪ ♪ they're walking on the fighting side of me running down the wind ♪ ♪ if you don't love it leave it

let this song that i'm singing be a warning when you're running down my country man you're walking on the fighting side of me ♪ ♪ ♪ well i read about a guy who don't believe in fighting and i wonder just how long the rest of us can count on being free ♪ ♪ they love milk and honey but preach about the money's way of living ♪ ♪ when they run down my countryman they're walking on the fighting side of me ♪ ♪ they're walking on the fighting side of me running down the way of life our fighting men ♪ ♪ if you don't love it leave and let this song that i'm singing

be a warning ♪ ♪ when you're running down my countryman you're walking on the fighting side of me ♪ ♪ when you're running down my country heart you're walking on the fighting side of me ♪ [ applause ] >> that's mary sarah. beautiful music and duets with the greatest in the music business. i'll be right back with some closing thoughts right after this. ♪ you're walking on the fight side of me running down the way of life -- the way of the way of life --

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