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tonight, defense forces have brought out the big guns. conner powell live in gaza city not far from where that air strike hit last night. conner? >> that was just one of many air strikes that my cameraman and i have seen in the past few days, they have gotten bigger and bigger the last few days. particularly the last 36 hours or so. we had our cameras trained on that location near our facility, because we have seen rockets being launched from there, and israeli artillery pounding as the violence has grown in the last day and a half oar so, we thought that was a target for our cameras. it was hit, before you could hear the scream of the missile, you could feel it and then there was shrapnel everywhere, it was a gigantic explosion. it's what we've seen across the

gaza strip the last day or so. israel has ramped up its effort here in the gaza strip. despite the description of precise targeting. when you're that close to an explosion, everything is felt and there is debris and shrapnel going everywhere, megyn. >> conner, thank you. we are seeing an angry number of protests around the world, against the israelis, some of them include some ugly messages. trace gallagher tracking that from our west coast newsroom tonight. trace? >> the proo tetests have taken e in many places, the firebombing of a synagogue in paris. the concern is that many of these demonstrations against the bombardment of gaza have instead turned into anti-semitic protests. here in the united states, there have been more than 130

anti-israel protests with california and new york leading the way so far the gatherings have not turned violent. the anti-defamation league has featured anti-sell tigs, a sign comparing israel to nazi germany. and there have been hundreds of pro israeli demonstrations around the world over the past week. >> thank you. for their part, the israelis are blaming the rising death toll on hamas. as the terror group faces new accusations of hiding weapons behind its own vulnerable citizens. just today we heard reports of a stockpile of rockets. this is the third time rockets have been discovered in a u.n. led school in less than two weeks. the u.s. just wrote a $15 million check to help fund these schools.

nancy pelosi seemed to suggest over the weekend that hamas which we recognize as a terrorist group is actually out to do good. >> we have to confer with the qatarrys who have told me over and over again that hamas is a humanitarian organization, maybe they could use their influence to -- >> the u.s. thinks they're a terrorist organization, correct, do you? >> um-hum. >> brook goldstein is a director of the law fair project. it's stunning. it's not like some crazy fringe group here in america says hamas is a terrorist organization. the state department, and she's out there saying they're a humanitarian group and when asked, you understand that we recognize them -- do you agree -- um-hum is the most she can muster. what just went on there? >> it's shocking, i have no words for a serving politician's inability to articulate that hamas, which is a designated terrorist organization, indeed

targets civilians indiscriminately for political purposes. that's why it's designated not just by the united states, by canada, the eu, by japan, and they make it illegal to provide any type of material support to hamas for those very reasons. and the other thing that pelosi said was that we had to look to qatar for advice on how to stop hamas killing. that's the equivalent of saying, we have to look to al qaeda for advice on how to stop the next 9/11. >> the defenders of that position say they're the ones hamas will listen to. >> they're the number one financial backers of hamas. and qatar is one of the great motherships of terror financing. you have to look at its charitable resume to see what it thinks is humanitarian. funding al qaeda in iraq and west africa, both designated terrorist organizations of funding the libyan islamic fighting group in tripoli.

another terrorist organization. qatar funds the use of al karadawi, who preaches death to americans. qatar is the reason why this war is happening in the first place. >> they are one of the groups that john kerry wanted to insert into this deal to try to negotiate a peace which israel rejected out of hand. israel is not saying specifically what they objected to, the papers are, officials in the papers are, on camera they tell a different story. what was it about john kerry proposing qatar as an intermediary that was so objectionable to the israelis and what was it about the deal that the israelis thought was so egregious. >> qatar is the reason why we have this car in the first place, it funds ham as, the acquisition of weapons, it funds the salary of hamas leaders. qatar money went toward building the tunnels, and by the way, 167

palestinian children were killed building these tunnels. so to come to qatar and to ask them to mediate for peace is basically giving qatar an award saying, here, you can have this prestige, you can be on the world stage now. >> mediate the war that you helped start? >> exactly. >> for the united states to come in and offer $47 million is basically saying, wen watt to replace qatar as the chief financier of hamas. there are no qualifications on that money, we're not calling for the disarmament of hamas, we're not calling that that money not be used -- be monitored so it's not siphoned to hamas leaders as all other humanitarian aid has been. >> stand by, i want to bring in larry corro. why is nancy pelosi -- first of all, why is she not putting it in her own voice, that the qataris are telling her, doesn't

she know who hamas is? >> she said that's what the qataris are telling us. they are our ally, we have a forward operating base for centcon in doha. that's where people like general franks were, general petraeus, we have a military base there. >> understood, so -- hence john kerry suggesting they might be a party that could help in this negotiation between israel and hamas. but why is nancy pelosi basing her characterizations of hamas on what the qataris are telling her. why is she describing them as a humanitarian organization? >> hamas does do some humanitarian work. >> good for them. >> that's not their main purpose. >> tell it to the state department which says they're terrorists. >> wait a second.

you have a terrorist group of hamas, but who do you think is providing the day to day food and everything for the people there. it's hamas running it, you can say that yes they are a terrorist group, but they do provide humanitarian -- >> i'm sure they are very kind about feeding their future soldiers, when i look at hamas' charter, article seven, it says the profit, prayer and peace be upon him. the time will not come until the muslims fight the jews and kill them. come on and kill him. i'm thinking they're not really so humanitarian as terrorists. >> well, again, they do provide, as did the muslim brotherhood, all of these groups do, provide -- they get the support of the people, and by the way, the israelis encourage the development of hamas back after they left, they were the ones who encouraged them to take over

that thing. so the picture is very, very, very mixed here in terms -- and you have to negotiate with your enemies. you may not like them, look at the people we negotiated with, over the years, the communist chinese in korea, the north vietnamese. >> why didn't she just say that? that sounds somewhat reasonable. to go out there and paint them as -- i don't know, the red cross, you know -- oh, don't worry they're just bringing food and water into the palestinian children. actually, they're using them as human shields, miss pelosi, it's really not the group you think they are. good to see you. thanks for coming on. >> okay. we've also seen an ugly back and forth tonight between tel aviv and washington. with some israelis looking directly at secretary kerry and asking, whose side is he on? the spokesman for the israeli government is just ahead with an interesting message. and brit hume will weigh-in on what is really going on between president obama and prime minister netanyahu.

plus, we've heard a top general and a former cia director warning us about the growing threat from russia, talking about how cold war ii sounds about right. up next, see how president obama today reacted to that suggestion. and we have covered the lawsuit by an atheist group over the iconic ground zero cross. tonight a very big court ruling. you say it's disenagain uous to claim it's not a religious symbol. >> of course. is it a little disen again uous to say atheists in your group are suffering from headaches and dispepsia when they see the cross? >> no, no -- >> what is dispepsia, what happens when they see it? ur cor.

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is this a new cold war, sir? >> no, it's not a new cold war. what it is, is a very specific issue russia not recognizing that ukraine can chart its own path. >> president obama announcing new u.s. sanctions against russia, european sanctions as well. and playing down suggestions that we are seeing a significant heightening of tensions between the u.s. and the former soift union. that's not the message we heard last week from michael hayden. and from chairman of the joint

chiefs of staff martin dempsey. watch. >> time magazine has a cover out suggesting we are at cold war ii, do you agree? >> well, that's a pretty dramatic statement, we're pretty close to that. >> we're looking inside of our own readiness models, to look at things we haven't had to look at for 20 years, frankly. >> dusting off the old military planes, he said. chairman good to see you tonight. the president says we are not in a new cold war with russia, last night we led this show with a report that the president had written directly to vladimir putin accusing him of test launching a cruise missile and ramping up an accusation that you had been pushing him to ramp up for months, but he wouldn't. so what changed? and what's really going on here? >> well, i'm not sure what's

changed. but to say it's not a cold war, i'll tell you what, megan, it's awful chilly if it's not cold. you think about where russia has been, what their intentions have been, and knowing for months that they have been in violation of this imf treaty, which is the short range intermediate missiles. >> reagan and gorbachev put it together. it ended the cold war and russia's violating it. >> it took a whole class of nuclear missiles off the table. from about 3400 miles to 3500 miles, and that's that short tactical nuclear weapon game that's menacing, hard to track. one of the reasons you don't want nations to have that capability, the temptation is too great. it was a leap forward.

they have been cheating on it. they haven't been honest on what they're doing in siberia. while they were asking the united states for greater surveillance flight access over the united states and denied u.s. surveillance flights over russia, right about that same time frame in april. a short time later they took crimea. there is a definite pattern here, i guess what's concerning to me, is that when the president gets out, he's going to make a statement on russia, doesn't even mention the imf treaty, which is really serious and significant. >> he just wrote to vladimir putin yesterday accusing him of violating it, he doesn't mention it today when he's discussing ukraine. he says, we're going to have these new sanctions. really, the russians need to recognize the best chance for them to influence ukraine is by being a good neighbor. i -- i don't know if that's going to get it done. >> it's not going to get it

done, clearly. so they try to do this reset. even if you disagreed with it, i did. it wasn't working and then there was really solid evidence in classified and unclassified that it wasn't working, russia was trying to take advantage of it we're going to suppress that and we can do the reset where nowhere else can. and then watch russia behave the way they have, it concerns me they're not connected to the reality on the ground. it was just like when the secretary of state said, this is not the 1980s, we don't act that way any more. the problem is is not how we feel they should act, it's how they react. they're going to respond. if he had come out and said, this is a serious violation, we don't like what you did with crimea, we don't like what

you're doing in eastern ukraine, and maybe we're going to reconsider deploying the defense system, and doing some joint training exercises in poland and germany and other places to show we're serious. not talking about it and heading off to another golf game is not something that's going to bring him to his knees and say, maybe i ought to back down. >> thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. efforts to teach children in school about this wonderful convicted cop killer, with lessons that compare him to martin luther king. we have a can't miss debate with both sides represented. the benghazi hearings, when they're start, what they'll involved and who will get called next. >> if anyone wants to know, what difference does it make? if anyone wants to ask what

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the kelly file follow-up for you now. a federal appeals court has ruled the cross shaped steel beam found in the wreckage of ground zero can remain at the national september 11th museum. the group american atheists sued the museum's operators back in 2011, because the cross is a religious symbol. the cross caused its members to suffer dispepsia and headaches. >> how many people do you have? >> we have five plaintiffs.

>> and did they all suffer that? >> i'm not going to get into that. >> you're accusing the other side of being disingenuous. >> yes, they are -- >> are those real? >> yes, they are. >> for those who don't know, the symptoms can include bloating, nausea and stomach pain. but apparently the court wasn't buying it. developing in washington tonight, trey goudy breaking his silence on the benghazi investigation. he hasn't said anything about this when the hearings get rolling and who may be called. katherine? >> the republican chairman of the benghazi select committee warned in an exclusive interview with fox that no witnesses were offlimits. asked whether he wants hillary clinton to testify as well as other high profile and current

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we are seeing a range of media outlets express disbelief over kerry's statements. what was he thinking? one author suggests mr. obama has abandoned israel. even the washington post says the one thing everyone agrees on is that john kerry blew it. some accuse israel of launching a misinformation campaign. the state department spokesperson said this is simply not the way partners and allies treat each other. earlier i asked the israeli government spokesman about the terrible press on secretary kerry. >> the israeli press gives the israeli government a really hard time.

the administration shouldn't be upset about this. the press is very critical. >> the israeli press definitely gave secretary kerry a hard time. some of these articles are quoting government officials within israel. the times of israel reported that israeli government services are accusing john kerry of capitulating to hamas' demands. we heard another government official suggesting president obama should leave us, meaning israel alone and go worry about syria. do you feel that the united states is doing more harm than good in israel? >> not at all, and i don't think all those unnamed officials, there's anyone who's in the loop or senior government positions. everyone in israel knows the importance of our relationship with the united states. what america has been doing

these very days to help us. >> what was so bad about the cease-fire deal proposed by john kerry, that caused so many people to be upset about it in israel. >> the issue is difficult, we're dealing with hardcore, very radical, extreme terrorists, people who don't share our values, have no eququalms about sacrificing civilians. we appreciate secretary kerry's efforts to try to bring about a sustained period of peace and security for israel, it's a goal that we totally share. >> but the deal was rejected. what was it? i mean, americans are watching this, watching our officials come over and try to help, and wondering, why? why did he get slammed so badly in the israeli press? >> it's not that there was one

proposal on the table. we're trying to overcome hamas' refusal to stop shooting rockets into israel. these are complex issues because hamas refuses to play by the rules. this is the challenge, and this is why it's so difficult. hamas like isis in iraq or hezbollah in lebanon, this is an organization that is a real threat. >> you know, one of the criticisms of israel in all of this, has been the civilian casualties on the palestinian side. we're talking about 1100 palestinians dead so far. palestinian officials claim that 80% of those are civilians, without yeah there's been civilian casualties. with the understanding that israel does try everything within its means to minimize civilian casualties and the concession that some in hamas actually try to endanger civilians by placing their rockets among them, by placing their fighters among them, still understanding all of that israel

has come under criticism for not making its strikes precise enough, for example, leading to the destruction of the u.n. school last week, that was supposed to be a safe haven. to that you say what? >> the first thing, the story about the u.n. school is being studied. even the united nations has not chartered. and frankly we don't know yet. obviously, we are saddened by every sevilcivilian casualty in, we don't want to see a single innocent civilian caught up in the crossfire. the chief of the israeli army, said yesterday in hebrew, not to foreigners, not for public relations, he spoke direct letter to the israeli public yesterday, and he said every innocent death in gaza pains him. and i think he was expressing something very authentic among the israeli public. we don't want to see gaza hurt, and we really are making a maximum effort to avoid what the

experts call collateral damage, because the people of gaza are not our enemies. the statistics you quoted before are not drew. all the international bodies are using hamas controlled ministry of health in gaza. when this is all over, we'll see the statistics much more even, having said that, i don't deny the civilians are being killed. why is that happening? because hamas rejected a cease-fire two weeks ago that we accepted an egyptian arab league cease-fire proposal. all the deaths that have happened since then are solely hamas's responsibility because they rejected ending the conflict. as you said, hamas has adopted gruesome tactics of using gaza's civilian human shields just today reuters put ott a report saying a third u.n. school had been discovered with hamas rockets in it, this is not an

aberration, this is a deliberate policy to use schools, u.n. facilities, mosques, football stadiums, to use open areas to house their military machine. we are making a maximum effort to be as precise as we can, in a difficult combat situation. we have to stop those rockets. and we will protect ourselves. >> mark, thank you so much for being with us tonight. >> my pleasure, thanks for having me. joining me now with more, brit hume. brit, why do you think he was so reluctant to say what it was about this proposed deal that the israelis found so objectionable? >> the main reason, megyn is israel needs the united states, and the alliance with the united states. whenever there's tension and disagreement in the relationship and it happens with some regularity, both sides invariably try to smooth it over as fast as they can. in israel, it's a matter of

survival, and in the united states, it's a matter of politics. israel may be unpopular in much of the world, it's not unpopular in the united states. daze not unpopular in congress. and it's -- every president that i've covered has always declared unequivocally repeatedly that he's a friend of israel and sports israel and the israeli people. even president obama, there's no doubt there's been tension and disagreement in the relationship between president obama and prime minister netanyahu, but both men have tried repeatedly to smooth it over as best they could, it's the way it always is many. >> what do you make of these harsh reports that came out of these israeli papers, sighting senior israeli officials. they're calling one of these things -- one of kerry allegation, one called kerry's proposal a strategic terrorist attack. >> one of them said he dug a tunnel under the egyptian

cease-fire proposal. which is a pretty pithy comment. >> didn't they get the memo about america and the ally and the relationship. >> kerry went over there, and he was in a hurry to try to broker a cease-fire, the egyptians and the arab league proposal had not been accepted by hamas. and he was looking for influence on hamas. he turned to turkey and qatar to try to find some, because they're allies of hamas, particularly qatar, which supplies a lot of funds to qatar and hamas. and the proposal that came out of that is so one sided, palpably one sided that it was rejected immediately by israel and they couldn't believe that kerry would even try it, and i think it comes back to the fact that, look, he went over there at a time when it didn't look

like there was very much chance he could pull this off, he tried, he hadn't been invited by -- the egyptians didn't ask for him to come the israelis didn't ask for him to come, he went over there and tried to pull this thing off and it backfired. >> didn't you go to grade school together? >> we did, kindergarten through the fifth grade, knew him all my life. >> he like back then? >> he was smart, good athlete, hotshot. known him forever. >> that's you describing yourself. we'll talk later about what you -- >> good to see you, brit. coming up next, controversy in the classroom as one district considers a lesson plan that compares a convicted cop killer to martin luther king, they say it's about instructing the students on social justice. that story is next. now it's quicker and easier for you to start your business, protect your family, and launch your dreams.

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is some kind of hero. this man's case has long been a cause celeb for many on the left who believe he was railroaded because of his race. he was convicted of shooting officer faulkner five times, including in the face while the police officer was down. and his guilt was repeatedly upheld by several courts. my next guest believes he's not only innocent but is similar to dr. martin luther king, jr. and wants this lesson taught. it's good to see you tonight, he was convicted, his guilt was upheld repeatedly, even though his death sentence was overturned. why on earth would you want to see children taught that this man is in anyway like dr. martin luther king. >> i think it's important to note that the racially coded language that's used in the media to describe mumia

abu-jamal like a cop killer, these words stand in the way of really exploring what happened in this case. >> well, thug and militant are two descriptive terms, convicted cop killer is factual. >> i think the reason why the facts of this case haven't come to light is because of the influence of the fraternal order of police on the prosecution, the judge and jury during this case, let me give you a sense of one of the most important factors of this case, there was a fourth person at the scene of the crime who was identified as the shooter by four witnesses. that person was seen running away from the scene of the crime and was identified as the shooter, the presence of the fourth person on the scene of the crime was suppressed by the prosecution and by the judge. >> let me set the record straight on that, that argument

was raised before a judge who examined the record and rejected it out of hand. moreover, the weapon that killed officer faulkner was found on mumia. several witnesses testified they saw him shoot officer faulkner, five times. they testified at trial they heard him confess to it, and referred to police in very derogatory terms. the evidence was there, a jury of his peers hurt him and convicted him that conviction was upheld repeatedly. even though if i accept everything you said, there's controversy over the man. why would you want students being taught he has anything in common with mlk. >> 15 of the police officers who collect the evidence in mumia's case were jailed, convicted for tampering weapon evidence in this case. it's part of the record. you are entitled to your own opinion. but not to your own facts. >> the appeals court did not

find that -- >> this is part of the public record, you know why? because one of the most important people in this case, judge ron castillo, who cen willy is the head of the pennsylvania supreme court, he was asked to recuse himself from the trial, from hearing mumia's appeal, he refused to -- >> but you -- >> hold on, i'm. >> you're trying to relive the case. >> no, i don't. i want to establish why this country you can have black people convicted but that doesn't necessarily mean -- >> this black person was convicted by two other black people. >> there's a long history of criminalization of black people. >> were the black people in the jury biassed against him. >> he was not convicted by a jury of his peers. let me --

>> i want to stay on topic. you won't answer my question. >> explain why he hasn't been released in the appellate -- >> i'll trying to get us past the facts of the case. >> people understanding why the court has -- >> please, i beg of you, because i have short time. please answer the question about whether -- about why any student should hear this man compared in any serious tone to dr. martin luther king, who was against violence. >> you know what miss kelly, i think that americans don't really know who martin luther king was, by the end of his life, he said at the riverside church in 1967 that the united states is the biggest purr voir of violence in the world. he also said that he could not stand by before the unspeakable horrors of police brew taility, essentially by the end of his

life, martin luther king, like mumia abu-jamal was a radical. >> radical means -- >> a person who seeks to address the root cause of -- >> i'm trying not to interrupt you, but you can't just come on and talk and talk. >> you've been interrupting me since i gotten on. >> i'm trying to get you on point. you have time to relive -- >> we're having a conversation about a complicated case. >> actually, our conversation is over. thank you for being here. >> we have jason riley to respond to this after the break. in the meantime, we want your thoughts. jason riley is going to come on and respond to the professor you just saw. go to facebook.com/the kellyfile, let me know what you think on twitter. jason's next. they're cloudy.

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for more on this now we're joined by jason riley. you say, jason? >> you did a great job what iing out the case against. his brother was at the scene and has never testified to jamaal's innocence. >> and they called him on the appeal. they said, okay, come and back up your brother who says it wasn't him. the guy never showed up. >> exactly. >> theyen watt the courts to overturn this conviction based on some guy that doesn't show up to help his brother. >> it's bad enough that some people on the left want to celebrate this guy as a hero. but i think it's even sadder or just as sad that they want to introduce this man to a curriculum for school children.

that is the wrong message to send to black children. i mean, the worst kinds of message to send to black children. >> and how disparaging to martin luther king and his memory. >> this guy was a black panther, a separatist. there's just no comparison, megyn, the other point to make here, is that -- black parents right now are already busy trying to shield their kids from rappers who are celebrating black criminals in their lyrics, now they have to bar them from the school curriculum. it's out of hand. >> her position is, he's not a criminal, he's a victim of a racist simm that should have never convicted him. >> it's a racist system that is run by one black man, eric holder who reports to another.

he has held out as a symbol of a racist criminal justice system. he's the symbol of black criminality, and black criminality is something the left does not want to talk about head on. they want to blame all these outcomes on a racist judge or racist cops or prosecutors, that is not why black kids are shooting one another in chicago. this is not why you have a what wered sense of what it means to be a black man in the black ghetto. this man is a symbol of what is wrong with ghetto black culture. >> they use him because they say that they want to discuss in class by using his story the invaluable lessons about social justice. >> social justice, by the way, black kids have graduated from high school, reading three grade levels behind white kids. you would think they have other things to prioritize before they get to social justice and other such nonsense. what they're really teaching is another generation of black kids to see themselves as victims.

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