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o'reilly.com. name and town if you wish to owe poen. word of the day, do not be sophistic when writing to the breaking tonight the war in the middle east hitting close to home. watch this. that scene caught just a couple hundred feet from the place our fox news team is working in gaza city welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. with growing tensions between %pwhat may be the heaviest offensive yet against hamas 100 air strikes as israel tries to take out weapons being used to target its country. and as dramatic as that video was, tonight our crew says the israeli defense forces have
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quote, brought out the big ones conner? >> reporter: that air strike we have seen and as you said they've gotten big and bigger, we've had our cameras trained near our facility. we've seen rockets being launched from there and israeli artillery pounding it. we thought that may be a place that was targeted. within minutes it was hit. before you can hear the scream of the missile, you can feel it. it was what they would say a disturbance in the force, and there was shrapnel everywhere. it's what we've seen a cross the gaza strip for the last day and a half. gigantic explosions israel ramped up efforts here.
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despite the description of precise targeting of the locations like that, when you're that close to an explosion, everything is felt. there is debris and shrapnel going everywhere, megyn. >> conner powell, thank you. we're seeing growing protests against the israelis some include ugly messages. trace ghallager is tracking that from our west coast tonight. >> in israel, and many places, demonstrations sparked violence like street battles a fire bombing of a synagogue in paris and a mid game attack on an israeli soccer team in austr austria. here in the united states there have been 130 anti-israel
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protests california and new york leading the day. the antidefamation league says many have experienced vandalism. and there have also, we should note, been hundreds of pro-israeli demonstrations around the world over the past week >> trace ghallager, thank you. israelis are blaming the rising death toll on hamas as the group faces new accusations of hiding weapons just today we heard a pile of rockets nouned a school run by the united nations, a school just like this one. this is the third time rockets have been discovered in a un-run school in less than two weeks the u.s. just wrote a $15 million check to help fund these schools. despite these reports, nancy pelosi seemed to suggest over the weekend hamas, which we
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recognize as a terror group is out to do good. >> we have to confirm with qatari who have told me hamas is a humanitarian organization, maybe they can use their influence to -- >> brook goldstein is a human rights attorney and director of a law affair project. >> it's stunning. not like a fringe group says hamas is a terrorist organization the state department. she's saying they're a humanitarian group. when asked do you agree? what went on interest there? >> it's shocking. i have no words for a serving politicians inability to articulate that hamas targets civilians for political purposes
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that is why it's designated not just by the united states, by canada, the eu, most freedom-loving countries they make it illegal to provide material support to hamas for those reasons the other thing pelosi said is that we had to look to qatar for advice on how to stop hamas killing. that is equivalent of saying we have to look for al qaeda for advice on how to stop the next september 11th. >> defenders say they're the ones hamas will listen to. >> they're the number one financial backers of hamas. and qatar is one of the great motherships of terror financing you have to look at chairitable resume to see what it thinks is humanitarian. funding al qaeda in iraq and west africa, both designated terrorist organizations.
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qatar funds the muslim brotherhood spiritual leader preaching death to americans qatar is no partner to peace. >> they're one of the groups john kerry reportedly wanted to insert into this deal which israel rejected out of hand israel is not saying what they objected to. papers are, officials in the papers are but on camera they tell a different story. what was it about john kerry combroepsing qatar on this deal that was so objectionable to israelis? what is it about the deal the israelis thought was so egregious? >> qatar funds hamas and acquisition of weapons and salary of hamas leaders, qatar money went towards building tunnels. and by the way, 167 palestinian children were killed building
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these tunnels to come to qatar and ask them to mediate for peace is like giving qatar an award saying here, you can have this prestige. >> for a war you helped start? >> exactly. for the united states to offer $47 million is saying we want to replace qatar as the chief financier of hamas. there are no qualifications on the money. we're in the calling the money being monitored so it's not siphoned to hamas leaders. >> brooke, stand by. i want to bring former assistant secretary of defense under president reagan. why is nancy pelosi, why is she not putting it her own voice doesn't she know who hamas is? >> she said that is what the
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qataris are telling her. qataris are allies we have a forward-operating base for central command in dohar during the war in iraq, that is where again trgeneral petraeus >> i understand. but why is nancy pelosi basing her characterizations of hamas on what qataris are telling us and secondly, why is she describing them as a humanitarian organization? >> hamas does do humanitarian work. >> good for them. how about the state department says they're a terrorist? >> wait a minute. okay. you have got a terror group of
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hamas. who do you think is providing day-to-day food and everything for the people there? it's hamas running it. >> that is crazy. >> you can say yes, they're a tearerist group but do provide humanitarian stuff. >> i'm sure they're kind about feeding future soldiers i look at the charter says it says time will not come until muslims fight the jews and kill them until jews hide behind rocks and tries and they'll cry oh, muslim there is a jew hiding behind me come on, kill him. i'm thinking they're not so much humanitarian as much as terrorist. >> they do provide that to the muslim brotherhood they get support of the people. and by the way, israelis encouraged the development of hamas back after they left. they were the ones that encouraged them to take over that thing. so the picture is very, very,
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very, mixed here in terms -- listen, you've golt to negotiate with your enemies. you may not like them. look at the people we negotiated with. north vietnamese. >> to go out there and paint them as, you know, i, the red cross? >> i'm not defending them. >> oh, don't worry. they're just bringing food and water into to palestinian children actually they're using them as human shields miss pelosi. larry, good to see you. thank you for coming on. >> we've seen an ugly back and forth between tel aviv and washington with some israelis looking at secretary kerry and asking whose side is he on? spokesman for the israeli government is just ahead with an interesting message and brit hume will weigh in on what is
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going on between president obama and benjiman netanyahu. up next, see how president obama today reacted to that suggestion z covering a lawsuit by an atheist group over the ground 0 cross. tonight. a very big court ruling. >> you say it's disingenuous to claim atheists are suffering dispe dispe dispepsia? what happens when they see it? good family. so we gave her purina cat chow complete. it's great because it has the four cornerstones of nutrition.
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chiefs of staff martin dempsey. watch. >> time magazine has a cover out suggesting we are at cold war ii, do you agree? >> well, that's a pretty dramatic statement, we're pretty close to that. >> we're looking inside of our own readiness models, to look at things we haven't had to look at for 20 years, frankly. >> dusting off the old military planes, he said. chairman good to see you tonight. the president says we are not in a new cold war with russia, last night we led this show with a report that the president had written directly to vladimir putin accusing him of test launching a cruise missile and ramping up an accusation that you had been pushing him to ramp up for months, but he wouldn't. so what changed? and what's really going on here? >> well, i'm not sure what's
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changed. but to say it's not a cold war, i'll tell you what, megan, it's awful chilly if it's not cold. you think about where russia has been, what their intentions have been, and knowing for months that they have been in violation of this imf treaty, which is the short range intermediate missiles. >> reagan and gorbachev put it together. it ended the cold war and russia's violating it. >> it took a whole class of nuclear missiles off the table. from about 3400 miles to 3500 miles, and that's that short tactical nuclear weapon game that's menacing, hard to track. one of the reasons you don't want nations to have that capability, the temptation is too great. it was a leap forward.
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they have been cheating on it. they haven't been honest on what they're doing in siberia. while they were asking the united states for greater surveillance flight access over the united states and denied u.s. surveillance flights over russia, right about that same time frame in april. a short time later they took crimea. there is a definite pattern here, i guess what's concerning to me, is that when the president gets out, he's going to make a statement on russia, doesn't even mention the imf treaty, which is really serious and significant. >> he just wrote to vladimir putin yesterday accusing him of violating it, he doesn't mention it today when he's discussing ukraine. he says, we're going to have these new sanctions. really, the russians need to recognize the best chance for them to influence ukraine is by being a good neighbor. i -- i don't know if that's going to get it done. >> it's not going to get it
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done, clearly. so they try to do this reset. even if you disagreed with it, i did. it wasn't working and then there was really solid evidence in classified and unclassified that it wasn't working, russia was trying to take advantage of it we're going to suppress that and we can do the reset where nowhere else can. and then watch russia behave the way they have, it concerns me they're not connected to the reality on the ground. it was just like when the secretary of state said, this is not the 1980s, we don't act that way any more. the problem is is not how we feel they should act, it's how they react. they're going to respond. if he had come out and said, this is a serious violation, we don't like what you did with crimea, we don't like what
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you're doing in eastern ukraine, and maybe we're going to reconsider deploying the defense system, and doing some joint training exercises in poland and germany and other places to show we're serious. not talking about it and heading off to another golf game is not something that's going to bring him to his knees and say, maybe i ought to back down. >> thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. efforts to teach children in school about this wonderful convicted cop killer, with lessons that compare him to martin luther king. we have a can't miss debate with both sides represented. the benghazi hearings, when they're start, what they'll involved and who will get called next. >> if anyone wants to know, what difference does it make? difference does it make? if anyone wants
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the kelly file follow-up for you now. a federal appeals court has ruled the cross shaped steel beam found in the wreckage of ground zero can remain at the national september 11th museum. the group american atheists sued the museum's operators back in 2011, because the cross is a religious symbol. the cross caused its members to suffer dispepsia and headaches. >> how many people do you have? >> we have five plaintiffs.
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>> and did they all suffer that? >> i'm not going to get into that. >> you're accusing the other side of being disingenuous. >> yes, they are -- >> are those real? >> yes, they are. >> for those who don't know, the symptoms can include bloating, nausea and stomach pain. but apparently the court wasn't buying it. developing in washington tonight, trey goudy breaking his silence on the benghazi investigation. he hasn't said anything about this when the hearings get rolling and who may be called. katherine? >> the republican chairman of the benghazi select committee warned in an exclusive interview with fox that no witnesses were offlimits. asked whether he wants hillary clinton to testify as well as
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other high profile and current former administrative officials. i want everyone who has access to relevant information. it is impossible to argue the secretary of state at the time would not have access to relevant information. either talk to all of them or concede you are not interested in getting all the facts. david petraeus remains under fbi investigation nearly two years after he resigned citing the extra marital affair. gowdy said he hoped the general would participate voluntarily about. >> it's the one thing i wanted was this investigation, to get the answers and the people say they're going to do their best, this is what i'm hoping for. >> gowdy characterized his work with the committee democrat as strongly popular so far.
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he is suggesting hearing topics, the first public hearing is now on the calendar for september. we mentioned earlier the ugly back and forth between tel aviv and washington. with israelis looking at secretary kerry and some asking, whose side is he on? the spokesman for the israeli government is here next. and brit hume has the inside story from washington. plus, see what happened when a dating website decided to mess around, trying to match up one very attractive candidate with one far less attractive candidate. we'll show you the results of that next. get ready to crack, dunk, dip. celebrate your love of crab with this year's largest variety! 'cause it's crabfest at red lobster! dig into a succulent selection of crab entrées. like new crab lover's trio! with sweet snow crab legs, split king crab, and jumbo lump crab over savory shrimp. crab three ways! all on one plate. or try new jumbo lump crab over wood-grilled salmon.
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around the world we're
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seeing a range of media outlet express disbelieve over details of secretary kerry's peace offer using headline, quote, what was he thinking? an author on jerusalem post suggests before obama abandoned israel. the associated press reports the obama administration is fuming over the criticism, some accusing israel ofching a misinformation campaign. state department spokesperson went so far as to say this is not the way partners and allies treat each other i asked the israeli government spokesman about the terrible track on secretary kerry. >> the israeli press gives the israeli government a hard time. when we have a -- we light a candle and have a birthday party and celebrate.
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administration shouldn't be. >> the israeli press gave secretary kerry a hard time. some are quoting government officials within israel, the times of israel reported israeli government sources accusing and today we heard another government official suggesting president obama should quote, leave us, meaning israel, alone. do you feel that the united states is doing more harm than good in israel? >> not at all i don't think officials, i don't think anyone in the loop, everyone in israel knows the importance of our relationship with the united states. and what america has been doing these very days to help us. >> what is so bad about the
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cease-fire proposed by john kerry that caused many people to be so upset bit >> we very much appreciate secretary kery's involvement. the issue is civil. we're dealing with hard core, very radical, very extreme terrierists. people who don't share our values, people who have no qualms about targeting civilians and sacrificing their own civilians. if it was easy would it have been done of we appreciate secretary kerry's efforts to bring about a sustained period of peace and security for israel. it's a goal we share. >> but, the deal is rejected so what was it? i mean, because americans are watching this, our officials coming over trying to help and wondering why? why did he get slammed so badly? why did the deal fall apart? >> there is one proposal saying we're trying to overcome is
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hamas's refusal to stop shooting rockets into israel. these are complex issues because hamas refuses to play by the rules this is a challenge and why it's so difficult. hamas, like isis in iraq this is a organization that is a real threat. >> you know one of the criticisms of israel is civilian casualties on the palestine yid side. palestinian officials claim 80% of those are civilians without question there has been civilian casualties with the understanding israel does try everything within its means to minimize civilian casualties and the concession that some, in hamas, try to endanger civilians by placing rockets among them and fighters among them. still, understanding all of that. israel has come under criticism
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for not making strikes precise enough. leading to disruption of a un school last week that was supposed to be a save haven. to that you say what? >> first thing is being studied the united nations there is no chance of israeli fire. frankly we don't know yet. we're saddened by every civilian casualty in gaza we don't want to see a single innocent civilian caught up in the cross fire the chief of the israeli army, chief of staff said in hebrew and spoke to israeli public yesterday and said every innocent death in gaza pains him. and i think he was expressing something authentic. we don't want to see innocent civilian population of gaza hurt z we are making a maximum effort to avoid what experts for
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collateral damage. statistics you quoted before, i'm not sure, all of the international bodies are using statistics put out by hamas controlled ministry of health in gaza. when it's over, you'll see statistics are more evenful i don't deny civilians are being killed the question is why is that happening? first hamas rejected a cease fire two weeks ago that we accepted and so all of the deaths happening since then are hamas's responsibility because they rejected ending conflict. secondly, as you, yourself said hamas adopted gruesome tactics of using civilians as human shields just today routers put out a report saying a third human shield has been discovered. this is a policy by hamas to use
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schools, un facilities and mosques, owe use football stadiums, to use open areas to house their military machinery we're making a maximum effort to be as precise as we can in a difficult combat situation but we have to stop those rockets raining down on our people, we will protect ourselves >> mark regev thanks for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure, thank you for having me. >> joining me now with more, brit hume. so brit, why do you think he was so reluctant to say what it was about this proposed deal israelis found objectionable? >> the main reason is that israel needs the united states and needs alliance of the united states. united states is israel's principal defender if the world, by far. and whenever there is tension and disagreement in the relationship and it happens with some regular layer ti, both sides try to smooth it over as fast as they can. in israel it's a matter of
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survival. in the united states, it's a matter of politics. israel may be unpopular in much of the world but not unpopular in the united states and isn't unpopular in congress. it's, and every president i've covered has always declared repeatedly he is a friend of israel, supports israel, supports the israeli people. even president obama. look. there is no doubt there has been tension and disagreement in the relationship between president obama and prime minister netanyahu. both men have tried to smooth it over as best they could. >> what do you make of the harsh reports citing senior, words are senior israeli officials -- calling one of these things is one called kerry's proposal a strategic terrorist attack. >> one said he dug a tunnel under the egyptian cease-fire
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proposal. that is a busy comment. >> do you think it's a memo about america, the ally and the relationship? >> kerry went over there in acry to try to broker a cease fire. and the egyptians and arab league proposal you heard mr. reagan speak had not been accepted by hamas which also rejected a number of other proposals he was looking for influence on hamas so he turned to turkey and qatar because they're allies of hamas, particularly qatar, which supplies a lot of funds to gaza and hamas. and what the proposal that came out of that bit of dealing was so one sided, that it was rejected immediately by israel. and they kind of couldn't believe kerry would try it. and i think it comes back to the fact look, he went over there at a time when it didn't look like there was a chance he can pull this off. he tried.
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he hadn't been invited by egyptians they didn't ask for him to come. the israelis didn't ask him to come he tried to pull this thing off and it backfired, and it backfired badly. >> did you go to grade school together? >> we did. kindergarten through fifth grade known him all my life. >> what was he like back then? >> smart, good athlete. hot shot. known him forever. >> that is you describing yourself, we'll talk about that later. >> good to see you, bry. . t. >> hardly. >> coming up next, controversy in the classroom. one district considers a lesson plan compares a convicted cop killer to civil rights leader martin luther king. saying it's about instructing students on social justice the story is next.
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remember mumia abu-jamal? the convicted cop killer who was defended on his death sentence by a guy president obama nominated for a top doj commission. republicans and democrats united to kill that nomination, but now it seems that a california labor union is upset that a school district out west might not want to teach children that abu-jamal
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is some kind of hero. this man's case has long been a cause celeb for many on the left who believe he was railroaded because of his race. he was convicted of shooting officer faulkner five times, including in the face while the police officer was down. and his guilt was repeatedly upheld by several courts. my next guest believes he's not only innocent but is similar to dr. martin luther king, jr. and wants this lesson taught. it's good to see you tonight, he was convicted, his guilt was upheld repeatedly, even though his death sentence was overturned. why on earth would you want to see children taught that this man is in anyway like dr. martin luther king. >> i think it's important to note that the racially coded language that's used in the media to describe mumia
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abu-jamal like a cop killer, these words stand in the way of really exploring what happened in this case. >> well, thug and militant are two descriptive terms, convicted cop killer is factual. >> i think the reason why the facts of this case haven't come to light is because of the influence of the fraternal order of police on the prosecution, the judge and jury during this case, let me give you a sense of one of the most important factors of this case, there was a fourth person at the scene of the crime who was identified as the shooter by four witnesses. that person was seen running away from the scene of the crime and was identified as the shooter, the presence of the fourth person on the scene of the crime was suppressed by the prosecution and by the judge. >> let me set the record straight on that, that argument
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was raised before a judge who examined the record and rejected it out of hand. moreover, the weapon that killed officer faulkner was found on mumia. several witnesses testified they saw him shoot officer faulkner, five times. they testified at trial they heard him confess to it, and referred to police in very derogatory terms. the evidence was there, a jury of his peers hurt him and convicted him that conviction was upheld repeatedly. even though if i accept everything you said, there's controversy over the man. why would you want students being taught he has anything in common with mlk. >> 15 of the police officers who collect the evidence in mumia's case were jailed, convicted for tampering weapon evidence in this case. it's part of the record. you are entitled to your own opinion. but not to your own facts.
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>> the appeals court did not find that -- >> this is part of the public record, you know why? because one of the most important people in this case, judge ron castillo, who cen willy is the head of the pennsylvania supreme court, he was asked to recuse himself from the trial, from hearing mumia's appeal, he refused to -- >> but you -- >> hold on, i'm. >> you're trying to relive the case. >> no, i don't. i want to establish why this country you can have black people convicted but that doesn't necessarily mean -- >> this black person was convicted by two other black people. >> there's a long history of criminalization of black people. >> were the black people in the jury biassed against him. >> he was not convicted by a jury of his peers.
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let me -- >> i want to stay on topic. you won't answer my question. >> explain why he hasn't been released in the appellate -- >> i'll trying to get us past the facts of the case. >> people understanding why the court has -- >> please, i beg of you, because i have short time. please answer the question about whether -- about why any student should hear this man compared in any serious tone to dr. martin luther king, who was against violence. >> you know what miss kelly, i think that americans don't really know who martin luther king was, by the end of his life, he said at the riversidec states is the biggest purr voir of violence in the world. he also said that he could not stand by before the unspeakable horrors of police brew taility, essentially by the end of his
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life, martin luther king, like mumia abu-jamal was a radical. >> radical means -- >> a person who seeks to address the root cause of -- >> i'm trying not to interrupt you, but you can't just come on and talk and talk. >> you've been interrupting me since i gotten on. >> i'm trying to get you on point. you have time to relive -- >> we're having a conversation about a complicated case. >> actually, our conversation is over. thank you for being here. >> we have jason riley to respond to this after the break. in the meantime, we want your thoughts. jason riley is going to come on and respond to the professor you just saw. just saw. go to facebook.com/the thought i told you to stay off our turf. just saw. go to facebook.com/the and what would you know about turf, skipper? let's end this here and now! let's dance! flo: whoa there!
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for more on this now we're joined by jason riley. you say, jason? >> you did a great job what iing out the case against. his brother was at the scene and has never testified to jamaal's innocence. >> and they called him on the appeal. they said, okay, come and back up your brother who says it wasn't him. the guy never showed up. >> exactly. >> theyen watt the courts to overturn this conviction based on some guy that doesn't show up to help his brother. >> it's bad enough that some people on the left want to celebrate this guy as a hero. but i think it's even sadder or just as sad that they want to introduce this man to a curriculum for school children.
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that is the wrong message to send to black children. i mean, the worst kinds of message to send to black children. >> and how disparaging to martin luther king and his memory. >> this guy was a black panther, a separatist. there's just no comparison, megyn, the other point to make here, is that -- black parents right now are already busy trying to shield their kids from rappers who are celebrating black criminals in their lyrics, now they have to bar them from the school curriculum. it's out of hand. >> her position is, he's not a criminal, he's a victim of a racist simm that should have never convicted him. >> it's a racist system that is run by one black man, eric holder who reports to another.
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he has held out as a symbol of a racist criminal justice system. he's the symbol of black criminality, and black criminality is something the left does not want to talk about head on. they want to blame all these outcomes on a racist judge or racist cops or prosecutors, that is not why black kids are shooting one another in chicago. this is not why you have a what wered sense of what it means to be a black man in the black ghetto. this man is a symbol of what is wrong with ghetto black culture. >> they use him because they say that they want to discuss in class by using his story the invaluable lessons about social justice. >> social justice, by the way, black kids have graduated from high school, reading three grade levels behind white kids. you would think they have other things to prioritize before they get to social justice and other such nonsense. what they're really teaching is another generation of black kids
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to see themselves as victims. to see themselves as inevitably targets of a racist criminal justice system. that is the wrong message to send to these kids, it's really a shame, it's beyond shameful this would be pushed in curriculums in school. >> the school district is reviewing it, the labor union is not happy. we'll be back in a moment, plus hannity coming up at the top of the hour. >> once i love to eat. i love hanging out with my friends. i have a great fit with my dentures. i love kiwis. i've always had that issue with the seeds getting under my denture. super poligrip free -- it creates a seal of the dentures in my mouth. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. super poligrip free made the kiwi an enjoyable experience. [ charlie ] try zinc free super poligrip.
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how ok cupid makes the story profiles, it's on the facebook page we ran out of time. welcome to hannity, and this is a fox news alert. the leader of the hamas military appeared on tv hours ago, announcing that his group has ruled out a gaza truce until its demands are met. this comes as israel escalates its israel operation. the military carried out dozens of attacks today and struck multiple symbols of hamas rule, including the ruling of the hamas leader, and government offices. now, the strikes also damage the only power plan the in gaza. this comes after yesterday's warning by the israeli prime minister benjamin netany