pick your mix. >> okay, we're going to see you back here in an hour. >> "outnumbered" starts in an hour. >> this is "outnumbered." here today, sandra smith, kirsten powers, jedediah, and today's hashtag one lucky guy, tucker carlson. he is outnumbered. >> profoundly. >> you have been somewhere, not here. >> in the tanning bed. i take my vacations on eighth avenue in the tanning bed. every year we meet. >> you're looking great, we are glad to have you here as always. the conflict between israel and

hamas is intensifying and so is the war of words. new fighting in the gaza strip as israel calls 16,000 more reserve troops saying it is to provide relief to soldiers already in the battlefield. as israel vows to destroy all of hamas tunnels. benjamin netanyahu is saying his military will dismantle them with or without a cease-fire and it should take a few more days to do so. meantime the obama administration is using stronger but carefully worded language to express his frustration with israel and concern about palestinian civilians. israeli commentators are firing back. wheone asking is it the amateurf the secretary of state and president who did not understand the depth of the cynicism and cruelty of the factors that they are dealing with? tucker? you may begin. >> i agree.

it is not just the right, it is the liberal newspapers going after him as naive. i agree with that completely be at on the other hand we have a real interest there. we are giving them the ammunition they need, and so the consequences of this pertain to us, it is not enough to say send us the money, we do have an interest in being involved. i think we have a right to have influence in what happens, for sure. >> how can they handle this? a strategic ally to rely on throughout the year. >> listenin listen to john kerry cease-fire and it was an abomination. i have a right defend itself,

they have to take out these tunnels. tell him to stop firing rockets and stop using children as human shields and they would not have to do any of this. they should be standing by them 110%. >> it is absolutely tragedy, getting killed in a hospital, i also think they are right, israel is being shot on and are returning fire. if hamas can keep going, they will be killing so many israelis it will make this look like nothing.

it is a horrible tragedy, but i don't know what is really supposed to be doing right now. we don't hear enough of people being at least as critical of hamas. >> another israeli commentator basically saying if there is an expanded ground operation, should israel be forced into one named after the person who caused it according to john kerry. i ask is that fair? the state department has basically criticized all this criticism from israel saying this criticism coming from an ally, specially israel, has no place in this discussion. did you see joe lieberman comments? the obama administration going off track to broker a cease-fi cease-fire. i asked the question should we

be talking about john kerry, or is this an obama administration were specifically about john kerry? >> he is carrying out the presidents will bid you could make a case from a pro-israel perspective maybe in a long-term this is good for israel. i covered the war in israel that was supposed to control it. is this a good idea for israel? that is a completely fair question. it is therefore the united states to act as a broker in these things. you accept billions of dollars in aid, i am as pro-israel as anybody but as an american i hear people criticizing the united states government, i defend the government.

>> . ibit of a buffoon. i am happy to criticize the ability for israel. >> carrying out the wishes of the administration, so shouldn't it be the question on a larger scale which one the president wants by recognizing hamas and putting israel and hamas on equal footing? that is a serious problem, sending wrong messages to our enemies and doesn't send a message of your understanding the complexities of the situation. hamas calls for the complete destruction of israel, they will never ever recognize israel. that yahoo would be remiss thing if he didn't defend his country and his people, destroy the tunnels, do what he has to do to get it done and say israel can count on anybody else. >> can count on the

united states. >> good for them. $4 million for israe missile de. i would like to see congress to help in israel. there is a lesson here for the rest of us. >> the standoff the house is debating a bill that would provide $660 million to the border crisis and speed up deportation of thousands of children who have poured over the border. the white house threatening a veto saying this money is hardly enough and the measure putting the children in jeopardy. the president losing ground, republicans gaining with 23rd of americans disapproving the american's handling of it, just 31% approve down from 38% two months ago. the house is now voting on this. debating on this.

two more polls. we just cited one of them becoming more hawkish the americans are on immigration. shouldn't the administration get some sort of a hint here? >> it is a disaster for democrats and institutional republicans really wanted immigration reform or liberal immigration laws. the democratic party and obama administration specifically is for illegal immigration, that is what we learned, they are for it. they will increase the voter base. that is a huge turnoff to ordinary people. >> clearly sentiment is changing. >> it deals more with the children coming over. to me is not an immigration issue, it is an assignment issue, another poll that shows 70% support having these kids in the country getting a silent. americans see these as two

different issues. they're taking away due process. trying to turn around, go before a judge, the judge is such a compressed time would not be able to represent himself that is taking away the due process and the opportunity for them to get a fair hearing to determine whether or not they should be granted asylum. >> majority are in favor of that entering the country illegally, having to go through this deportation hearing they are talking about. >> still respectful of the laws to be able to go through the environment. let's start with the border, that is the issue, very porous

border until we take seriously from a two steps to secure the border, we have now created an attractive new system for everybody to come here and violate the law, and that is not working, as you can see. >> republicans want to do what is the opposite of may terry in. i am concerned, the poll you cited asks them 53% of americans believe they do not have a moral obligation, this is hawkishness. that is un-american. >> you are saying the united states have an obligati obligation? >> have you ever been to the statue of liberty? >> you are saying there has been a war for 20 years. they have a moral right to come here. >> we have a refuge to the

people th of the world under the shining city of the world. >> those people did it legally. >> why does everybody get to break the law? >> so i have a moral obligation to share my earnings and my country with people i have never met because they are suffering? >> have you read the bible? >> this is not a theocracy. you are not saying that. the u.s. government has a responsibility. you can give charity money. >> we are a nation of law. >> i did not make this up. >> you have never heard of america as a refuge for people persecuted?

>> how many? >> we are a nation of laws. >> does any other country have this obligation? >> of course they can, but we we talking about our country. are you saying people who have lead persecution in our history have not come to the united states? >> of course they have, but they don't have a moral right to american tax dollars. >> jewish people free should have been allowed to return? you just said we have no moral option. >> i'm not even going to engage on that. >> that is persecution. >> you cannot just say if you're a christian, let everybody come in and break the law.

there is a way to do it. seek asylum legally. >> when church groups encourage people to come to this country, they go on taxpayer systems. >> church groups are the only ones handling these kids. >> they are referring them to government subsidies. >> 100% of the people taking care of these kids are christian organizations. they have to work with the government. >> that is your christian duty? i am not attacking any catholic church. your work, your money, your effort. >> it is their effort. >> you can't sin seek asylum bee you are fleeing a bad economy.

you have to have specific case-by-case. >> there are hundreds of countries with violence in them. >> he can't just lump them all together. >> it allows them to make their case. republicans want to make its they don't have a chance to make their case, they want to be turned away at the border. >> they are americans, and that is why you are seeing the shift. we have crime problems, jobs problems, guess what, we are tired of worrying about everybody else when nobody is worried about us. >> we have children suffering right here in this country who aren't lawbreakers. >> many are. >> $659 million bill, how is it going? we have an update that they are getting there.

a bit of an update. we appreciate the discussion. and mother is fighting felony charges speaking out after arrested for using them and letting her seven-year-old walked the park by herself, is that bad parenting? and the failures of obamacare website rollout. and report revealing $840 million price tag. what is behind it and who is going to take the blame? and catch more from this coach, join us for "outnumbered" overtime and click on the tab. tell us what you think about their discussion. ugh. heartburn.

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arrested after her son dominic asked to go to the party play and she let him. it is about a half-mile from the home. somebody called police. the officer brought the boy home and put the mom in handcuffs. >> they told him to go straight to his room and as he was walking into the home he was like mommy, i'm sorry i wanted to go to the park. he was upset and scared and thought this was his fault. >> what do you think of this, is this neglect or a mom saying going to the park and not thinking anything of it and facing serious consequences? >> how long before the first parent is arrested for not making their child brush their teeth long enough? the most intrusive possible way. one caveat, i don't know the details of this, there are extenuating factors that don't make the first ap story, but

seeing it again and again, government intruding in places only parents should tread. >> when the other mother who saw the boy playing by himself called the police which i have no problem with, i like when other adults are watching out for other people's kids, the kid was found with a cell phone around his neck that his mother put around his neck to go to the park by himself so she felt she was taking care of the situati situation. that is the way i see this, but maybe she didn't know a seven-year-old shouldn't be going to the park half a mile from the house by himself. crazy stuff can happen. >> we used to walk everywhere by ourselves. >> they would say go be home before dinner, be careful. that is my question, is it a more violent time now, now do we have to think kids cannot do what they used to?

>> as a former prosecutor, and as a mom, i would not let my son go and do it. it had my cell phone and credit card, he really might not come back. you cannot be too careful these days, what if something happened to that little boy? >> everybody would say where were the police? >> why didn't another adult intervene or say something? she is trying to act in the best interest of the child. i'm sure the mother loved her little boy very much. kids develop at different paces foso maybe this is a very mature seven-year-old but depending on the neighborhood, a whole bunch of factors at play. >> this wasn't the first time, this has happened before. another woman at mcdonald's had a similar incident. they send their kids with cell phones, is this a case of policemen to tell parents how to be parents?

and are you worried of the slippery slope? >> i don't think she should go to jail for this. >> felony charges, temporarily losing custody of her child, could face 10 years in prison. this seems a little bit much to me. >> should probably realizes she made a mistake and that should be enough. i think it is hard for some of us because we did grow up, i took the city bus today camp. i lived in a place for nothing bad ever happens. a lucrative business. >> he never had classmate disappear? >> you have? >> a lot of risk going today camp. >> the best part is if they gave parenting classes, checked in on her, department of child

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♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." government investigators blasting the botched obamacare website rollout, a non-partisan report out today, subject of testimony on capitol hill as it reveals that healthcare.gov was developed, quote, without

effective planning or oversight practices. the mismanaged rollout also sent the price tag for the obamacare website skyrocketing to $840 million. according to the government accountability office. so, tucker, $840 million, i felt they could have written checks to all of us for health care? what is the point of this. >> touch the hem of obama's garment to be healed. >> you're mad at him. >> that wouldn't work. imagine if a private sector organization that took government money based like this? how many would be frog-marched in handcuffs to the federal courthouse? if you're martha stewart or one of the people went to jail for relatively minor infractions in the '90s. i can't previous they're getting away with this! >> obama administration is pointing at contractors saying it is their fault. we hired them to do a job and it is they that dropped ball.

accenture, the leading contract, the value of that contract went up 92%, nearly doubled in less than, sorry, less than six months. >> right. >> so listen, this was the fault of individual contractors but guess who hired them? guess who was supposed to hold them accountable. at the end of the day that is the problem. >> kimberly, the criminal system is there wasn't enough oversight. so, gao saying there wasn't enough oversight. it is the obama administration's responsibility to manage their contractors, right? check in and say this over multiple years, check in, where are we? are we on track? are we spending too much money. >> if you based like that and worked for tucker carlson, what would happen to you? you would be fired. >> off the christmas card list. at least for a year. and i mean that. >> your wife would be considerably -- >> she would. full year, no christmas card for you. >> who is overseeing any of this? take a look! have responsibility. actually care about pennies or dollars in the pocket you ask

from the american people and do something like the private sector would! quit rewarding failure in this country. that is why this country is looking like bloated, okay? we have bad bloat. >> do that again, kimberly. >> tell you why they don't care. because it is our money. it is our money. they don't care. they don't realize when you give an estimate, you're talking about our money. so if something, the sign-up system glitches went from 56 million to 209 million, fixes to the site, started at 91 million. all of sudden, 175 million. that is taxpayer dollars. >> just the beginning. >> there is a disconnect. no sense of accountability? they should be humiliated they did this. >> true. jedediah, heavy on speed calculator there. the numbers are not >> five years from now, this will seem like nothing. >> really? you think it will get that much worse? >> because when the system is fully up and running you think

it will not become more profoundly dysfunctional? are you kidding? >> that true. you look to the rollout, this is the way the administration wanted this to start this is obamacare. this is his signature legislation. has hayes name on the legislation. >> cost overruns comes from the dysfunction of the rollout. you know what i mean? it is because they couldn't roll this out properly. >> it's a bad idea. >> that is the beginning. >> wealth transfer from the the young and healthy to old and sick. >> you're talking about policy. >> i'm saying this will seem like small potatoes five years now when the real disaster becomes apparent. >> quality of care decreasing. >> not sounding too good for president obama. he is firing back. he is blasting republicans as the house was okaying a lawsuit against him. the president explaining to a crowd in kansas city why he says he has to go around congress to get it done. >> some of the things we're doing without congress are

making a difference but we could do so much more if congress would just come and help out a little bit. [applause] stop just hating all the time. come on. let's get some work done together. >> come on. the president really being fair ask republicans to play nice? listen to the blistering digs at the other side in recent days? >> what is really going on is that republicans in congress are directly blocking policies that would help millions of americans [applause] they are promoting policies that harm millions of americans. i gather that some of the republicans in congress are mad at me for going ahead and doing things. i don't know which things they find most offensive, creating jobs on easing student loan burdens, or raising wages. but, it is really bothering them. they have a plan to sue me. they have a plan to sue me, for,

taking executive actions are within my authority, while they do nothing. i have a better idea. they should do something. >> oh, boy. come on, we have a lot to talk about on this. beginning on the end. >> at one point he says they're suing me for doing my job. no, they're suing you for doing congress's job because you think you are three branches of government right now and you're not entitled to do that. this guy is professional campaigner. he a great campaigner but embarrassing to me the commander-in-chief is still campaigning six years later. do your job. your job is not to campaign. your job is to be president. >> kirsten, seems like someone skipped chapter on separation of powers! oh, no, you didn't. constitutional lawyers, skipped that part. >> well, he can stand to be little more humble how the supreme court reversed him on various things he had power to do.

i think that, one of my issues with him frankly isn't even on substance what he is saying is style. i'm tired of his sort of the way he is talking in this -- >> flippant. >> i don't know what you describe it as. not how a president talks, leaning on the lecturn and stop hating on me. what are you doing? you're president of the united states. you're supposed to be having stature. he really is acting like a candidate. it is what you would see at a rally, right? >> interesting point. do you think that is part of his strategy? that is happening because he is becoming defensive? >> i think he is just now completely focused on rallying the troops. he doesn't, he is realized that he is, the rest of the people are sort of fed up with him and unhappy. >> that is so smart. >> completely locked -- >> oh. >> no, she is totally right. you're saying what nobody says, people say, he is not talking to america. he is talking to -- >> donors. >> groups his pollsters identified as potential donors and democratic voters.

he is speaking only to them. that phony accent that pops up. he didn't get that in the school in owe haw would you. -- oahu. >> he is from hawaii. that so so ridiculous. they're haters? this is worst part of the administration. there is metaphysical uncurrent if you disagree with me, you're violating one true faith. you're ones we have been hating for. you're not just a hater. you're a bigot. >> that is dogma of the far left. >> i did a little home work last night. i took a quote from his speech yesterday, we could do so much more if congress would come on and help out a little bit. translation, if they would just agree with me. >> i have been very critical of the republican congress. i do think we don't have enough of two sides working together. i think they did have a strategy of not working with the president. so there has to be some middle ground. for example on va bill, you actually saw some middle ground where they were wrangling for couple months and both side said we'll give a little and come up

with something. we do need more of that. neither side is really saying that. obama is saying do what i want to do. republicans are saying do what i want to do. >> can't get anything done that way. >> that is for sure. immigration issues are a little bit more polarizing. all right the gender gap in bowling. new study who gets picked on the most during school years. right after the show. where will you be? i hope at the computer for "outnumbered overtime." send us your questions, comments, tell us what topic you want to hear. more about twitter, facebook, email. and we're there. tucker is. you're driving along,

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involve 56% girls than boys. the gender gap in middle school is slightly smaller than 34%. it is only 20% in elementary schools. tucker, do these stats surprise you more prevalent among girls? i worked in schools. "mean girls" is not just a movie. >> i have three daughters. not surprised. james carville said saddam hussein -- girl. i think that is true. >> gap widens in high school which i thought was surprising because you always hear about middle schoolgirls. >> girls are so nice and she smell good. and turns out they are savage to each other. >> agree. >> i like girls. >> do you disagree? i think straight through to adulthood, we're sometimes our worst enemy. >> i don't want to pour cold water on this study. there is major issue, they do reference this, major issue of underreporting by these students and i think a lot of times boys,

tucker, aren't willing to admit they have been bullied. >> i hope not. >> girls are willing to come forward to say somebody is picking on me. >> she makes a good point. that is very consistent, throughout statistical studies, domestic violence is underreported is men. who wants to go to the police to say my girlfriend beat me up. >> of course not. i will get hate mail. come on now. that is embarrassing getting beaten up by your girlfriend. i don't care. that is embarrassing. >> what if your girlfriend is a instructor. >> i don't even know what that is. >> are you, jedediah? >> i take kraft maga. i could beat up a few girls. i just need one good shot, tucker. that is all i've been told. >> jump on his back, choke him out from behind that. also works. >> wow. >> we'll be testing this on "outnumbered overtime" you want to tune in. kirsten what is the message to parents here. what is the message, your kids come home.

they have these horror stories of my friend did this or said this, what can parents do? >> when i was in fifth grade, i was in the cool group and fifth and 6:00th grade. the girls, horrible place to be. the girls would turn on each other. the girls would turn on each other. always one girl would be out. it was vicious. absolutely vicious. i remember when i went through, i was the out one. my dad basically said to me, this isn't right. this isn't the way you're supposed to interact with people. you shouldn't be friends with these girls. >> happens all the time. >> i remember going, oh, i had one other friend. we got out of the group. we started, i went to talk to her about it, my dad said this, she talked to her parents. we stop being friends with them. we eventually reunited, it wasn't quite as intense. parents tell kids, this is not how you treat -- i wasn't pretending way as len one being bullied. you get caught up. >> is this basis of "mean girls" movie.

>> there is one book, queen bees and wannabes. there is lot of sociology on this. >> you have children that have to transfer schools because bullying taken on whole another level because online, twitter, facebook. >> anonymous bullying. >> very challenging. i do think that with girls, have a harder time with it than boys. >> does seem at school level at least the girls, there is meanness that comes into play when it comes to girls. i've seen it time and time again. if you have daughters, make sure that you remind them, be kind even when it is hard. boys too, but girls in particular based on this study. the world is on high alert what is being called the largest outbreak in history of the deadly ebola virus. in moments the centers for disease control and prevention is set to address the growing epidemic. one hollywood a-lister is admitting she is not expert on the situation after taking fierce blowback on her comments on the crisis. we'll discuss. ♪ ugh. heartburn.

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get finished on time? we're all over that. the dow taking a hit, down 200 points. concerns about russia and weaker-than-expected date in the u.s. economy get the blame. we'll keep a close eye on the markets. new study raises serious concerns on the to heavy drinking may play on your memory in later life. details ahead if we don't forget them by then, coming up next hour. >> thank you, jon. we'll be watching. jon: thanks, sandra. >> update on story we brought you yesterday after fierce blowback on social media, act threat penelope cruz is backtracking on comments she made in anti-israel letter to the european union. she and her husband, actor javier bar deem and joined other a-list actors denouncing the state of israel call fog are a cease-fire in the war with gaza. cruz said she did not want to be miss understood on the important issue. i'm not expert on situation. i'm aware complex think.

my only intention signing group letter the hope there will be peace in israel and gaza. i hope all parties agree to cease-fire and no more innocent victims on other side of the border. i wish for unity and peace. now, kimberly calling penelope cruz anti-semite. isn't she more an idiot? >> really? >> well she is actress. that is deep question, which is, should we be taking comments of actors or actresses seriously enough to get mad about them no matter what they say? >> she sent a serious letter along with other celebrities. i think problem is you be very careful what you sign to put your name too. >> correct. >> she acknowledged she wasn't fully apprised of situation. not knowing all the dynamics. when you have a friend and it is your friend you are careless and make mistakes that are tremendous repercussions. she is saying that and in full damage mode. >> should they have tremendous repercussions? in the end who cares what they

that about the law of the sea treaty or gaza war? >> they have influence, they have a lot of influence. they have a lot of social media followers instagram. madonna is out there on instagram. twitter, facebook, they have a lot of people paying attention to what they said, they say, that is why it is important, when you're a hollywood a-list celebrity, be informed before you speak or particularly being tucker, writing letter to e.u. asking for a cease-fire know what you're talking about. >> get to the real perpetrators here. who are the people whose foreign policy views are shaped by penelope cruz? who is so dumb that you're letting a actress -- >> a lot of voters. a lot. >> unfortunately a lot of people. when you say things, they alleged that israel was perpetrating genocide. there was pretty incendiary language. >> letter did. >> the letter was pretty incendiary. there is a lot of anti-semitism in the world, let's face night for sure. >> i think this letter was

anti-semitic. when something like that happens you do need to call them out. it is not anti-semitic to say, israel we would like you to have a cease-fire. it is anti-semitic to portray them as terrorists. they're trying to protect themselves. there seems to be very deep anti-israel animus here. that kind of goes and above and beyond. >> are things changing with america support israel? look at polls. american citizens support israel. do you feel elites are out of step with the average american. >> i do. i don't think we could dismiss it as you're saying. culture shapes politics. these people shape elections. katy perry, you don't think the people have a reach? young people see her and voting for this guy. how do you think barack obama got elected twice. because of people like this and celebrities and young people who listen to the messages. counter it, call i had todaysy but don't ignore it. if you ignore it sticks.

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♪ one california restaurant is saying "no" to noisy children. no stroller or highchair and booster chair and asking parents to leave children the home. who can come. the owner said business has never been better and if parents don't like it, eat elsewhere? is it business or just offensive to the king of offensive. >> i have more kids than an average home schooler. my kids never make noise. >> is it the family or gone. >> you never impose that on

other people. >> it is funny that you say that. i had my 14 month old in a nice restaurant and the second she made a noise. tucker got her up and walked her out. >> not everyone else. >> a couple went over to my husband. i took her out. and they were on the way out, wow. if we could just have everyone who takes a baby to restaurant. that's what you have to do. but tucker, people don't. >> you would love this restaurant. >> i love it. and i am sad they have to do it in the first place. >> tucker, you are a baby hater. >> i like children. >> he's got the red mark. >> and on the upper east side, you had your baby in every restaurant and strapped to my back. >> he likes to go out and eat restaurants and i wont when he

was a baby. i would try to be aware of people's happiness. and now he's happy. >> we are staying right here. and check out numbered on the web on fox news.com. fox news alert on one of the deadliest and contagious diseases on the planet, the cvc talking about ebola. the epidemic claimed 729 lives since it was first detected in march. two american aide workers contracted the disease. one naturalized u.s. citizen in nigeria has died. the risk of it spreading beyond africa is low. we'll monitor what the