good night. >> 3, 4, 5. >> what is going on? what's going on? >> giving me a drug that's supposed to make me happy. scientists say you get a similar effect getting a hug. he does experiments. there's an experiment tonight. i put my family on the show. here's my son. >> you frighten me because you are living an experiment. so is my nephew. >> even from his uncle. now he jokes about his problem

with stephen colbert. >> we stossels have problems, stuttering. like many we get help through experiments. which experiments work? >> we just have to try things. >> let us experiment. that's our show tonight. i realize that my own life has taught me a lesson about the problems of limited government. one that doesn't have so many rules. it doesn't prevent from you trying experiments. i can stand up right now because i have tried some experiments and i can speak to you only because i tried dozens of experiments.

on i'll cover speaking first. i'm a stutterer. sometime when i speak i block on a word. are you -- busy? they become real stuttersers. >> i would stay silent in class. i avoided parties. when i was old enough to date, sometime i would call a girl and try to speak but nothing came out. i just try to hang out. now because of caller i.d., callers can't do that. when i got a job at a tv station, i never expected to go on tv. when i finally did, i stuttered so badly that i wanted to quit. i tried all kinds of therapies. all these experts that said they could cure me but they couldn't. until finally i got help from a clinic in roanoke, virginia, an intensive three-week program that reteaches stutterers how to speak.

that worked and i came out of treatment fluent. not entirely fluent. i still stutter sometimes. my speech is much better than it used to be. i would play you my before and after tapes but they were lost in the roanoke valley flood. so let's take a look at someone else's. >> why not the potential -- the potential -- the potential -- >> just a few years later, she was a regular on a tv game show where she spoke fluently. >> this one guy invited me on this trip. it was supposed to be so romantic. >> congratulations on improving your speech. you're a model, an act rhett, able to have speaking parts now. >> yes. i've shot a lot of commercials. i shot a film and i do a lot of work which is awesome for hollywood.

on you also tried a bunch of experiments. >> did i. i started speech class at 8 years old. and i did all type of techniques. like they wanted me to stretch every word together. so everything sounds the same. i've tried talking to my dad. >> stuttering does tend to run in families. he stuttered. >> my dad does. my granddad did. my cousins do. about 5% of children go through some period of stuttering. most of them recover on their own by late childhood. about 1% don't grow out of it. four times as many men as women. so you're unusual that way. >> i'm one of very few.

>> let's talk about this weird clinic we went to. it is really boring. they slow us down to two seconds per syllable to reteach us how to speak. and this is about half a second per syllable. you can imagine how boring two seconds per syllable is. >> it takes a long time to have a conversation. but they retaught us how to breathe and speak. and that was one of the things that takes a while to understand. which we hear what a normal conversation is from another person. >> it is really very fast. >> exactly. and we want to copy that. so we're forcing words out rather than thinking of how are we saying the words? and how our throat and everything works for us. >> they put us in these little rooms with a computer and you have to try to keep the red

light off by hitting sounds gently. >> now there's an app. before i go into every app, i will hold my phone up and speak into the phone to make sure i talk very floonltly and clear. >> to practice. >> to practice before every audition. >> to remind us that we do know how to speak correctly and that makes me less likely to stutter. and you too. here are some other stutterers who i didn't know are stutterers. tiger woods was afraid to answer questions in school. >> simple question was the most frightening thing you could have happen. if you can't speak it. >> shaquille o'neal. >> the teacher always used to call on students in class. i would be sitting there like please don't call me. i'm a stutterer. >> you probably know who this guy is. >> the most debilitating thing. it is hard to ask you to go to the p-p-p-p-prom.

and they look ought and go, this must be, this guy must be an idiot. >> i have my own political opinion about that. but he went on to say in latin class, his nickname became joe impedimenta. he claims he hemmed himself by standing in front of the mirror and quoting yates and emerson. tiger woods got therapy. shaquille o'neal, we don't know if he had therapy but he says he now controls it. you have a daniel jackson story. >> yes. he always talks about, we know that he swears a lot. one of the main things he does is he will say a swear word with the actual word he wants to say. and that helps hill speak clearly. but marilyn monroe also did. i read a lot of her work and she would sit in the back of the class.

and she said everything very slowly with a lot of breathiness so that helped her get through the scenes. >> thank you. we've learned from our experimentation. the therapy that hemmed her helped me. had no government seal of approval. it was relatively new, relatively untested. if it had to get government approval, she and i might never bl hemmed. it is still illegal for that clinic to offer its treatment in other states. america has so many rules that limit innovation, licensing rules in that case. and remember the movie, the king's speech? it told the true story of how the king of england finally got help for his stuttering by going to an unlicensed therapist. his license experts told him he would speak better if he smoked a cigarette. >> my physician said it relaxes the effect. >> they're idiots. >> they've all been knighted. >> it makes it official then. >> at first the king criticizes his new speech therapist. >> no training, no diploma, just

a great deal of nerve. >> lock me in the tower. >> the king decides to go ahead with the therapy any way. hey, he is the king. he can break the rules. and the unlicensed therapist helped. here's one other unlicensed therapy that's even stranger but as an experiment, i tried and it what a difference it has made in my life. for years, i had crippling back pain. >> i've spend years on my back doing phone interviews, talking to barbara walters, whatever, i thought lying down might be less of a strain on my back. there was a report on my back pain i did years ago. i took my x-rays to this doctor. on my x-ray, i had real stuff. some disk problems, a crack. >> yes. and they are normal. >> normal? that's what that doctor said. he claimed most of what orthopedists and other so-called experts say about back pain is

wrong. i was skeptical but he got my attention when he said, how come everyone started getting back pain after ulcers got cured? back is a strong muscle. this is psychological. you don't have a physical problem, he told me. you have a psychological problem. and i resisted that claim. but when i saw that howard stern of all people said, my life was filled with excruciating back pain until i applied dr. sarno's principles. a in a matter of weeks my pain disappeared. i owe sarno my life. so i went to one of his lectures where he meets people with pain and we said how can this be true? my other doctor said i have this or that. it has to be physical. some other people he hemmed would speak out about how they got rid of their pain by mostly ignoring it. attending one lecture and reading his book about this changed my life. i still get back spasms but i ignore them and they gradually go away. to this day people come up to me

on the street and say i saw that youtube clip of your back pain story years ago and it changed my life. a few told me they used to be in wheel chairs but now they were walking. i know this is hard to believe that a lecture or book could change so much. but it did for me. here's another man who was once paralyzed with back pain. >> in early july 2011, my back muscle seized up and threw me on the floor. tuesday, wednesday, day six. this is thursday day seven. i was on the floor of my office. i called dr. sarno. . michael, a filmmaker who is making a documentary about pain and his own experience with dr. sarno. you were skeptical too but desperate. >> i was skeptical but i had a basis for belief. my father had read the book in the '80s and gotten better after having had an ulcer.

i read the book and i saw my pages and i saw myself. >> explain the book. the doctor says do i a lousy job explaining. >> if you believe it is a physical problem, a structural problem, it is a distraction for the repressed emotions might come up. if you stick only idea you won't get better. if you embrace the idea that it is not a structural problem, you get rid of the fear and that's a driving factor and the emotion could be anger or anxiety. a number things. with his patients, typically he describes someone who is a goodist. someone trying to do good for others. at the expense of their own needs. high achieving but making sure they get up early to move their mother's car so she doesn't get a ticket. >> i never did that. my brother is a fancy harvard doctor who i trust. and he had similar back pain. he tried the treatments recommended by his tell-all

fancy doctors. he even spent time hanging by his neck in this weird traction device. when i told him the doctor said he was probably an angry man with repressed rage, may have gone straight to his back, he said this. >> if anybody told me this was all in my head, my rage would not be repressed. what do you have to lose? why not go to dr. sarno and try it? >> there are a lot of ridiculous things could i do that i'm not doing. >> but this worked for me. your brother. >> well, as a scientist, i have to say anything is possible. but i'm not convinced. >> it does sound ridiculous. >> it does. it sounds ridiculous. but when you read story after story after story, you realize maybe it's not so ridiculous. >> so i had experiment. it worked out, sarno is now in his 90s. he is no longer practicing. someone has taken over for him. >> there are about 50 people in the country who are treat with this methodology. theres no licensing structure

for it which is a good thing. the ideas stand for themselves. >> thank you. so what do you think? would you try an experimental treatment? give us your opinion on twitter. use that #experiment. so my back pain is mostly cured. so is my stuttering mostly. but i'm still not especially happy. i worry a lot. i wish i were happier. some people say stossel, you need a hug. here's a woman offering hugs in times square. >> you want a hug? i want a hug. >> does this create actual happiness? another small experiment when we return.

who wants a hug? hug therapy. come and get it. >> what is she yelling about? >> anyone feeling bad? i got hugs for you. >> she is offering people hug therapy. >> you want a hug? i want a hug. >> people do take her up on it. >> can i get a hug? oh, elmo! she is actually one of my producers.

i asked her to do this because there's a theory that hugging someone makes you and them more trusting. more willing to cooperate with people. and happier. >> do you feel better? i do too. >> i asked my producer to do that because i did not want to do it. even though our show title is let us experiment, hugging strangers in times square is not the kind of experiment i want to do. become paul is eager to do and it he's done versions of it for 14 years. >> we were wondering why prosperity lives in some countries and not others. we began studying the role of trust. to understand that we want a biological basis for why we touch strangers. >> and we trust strangers because of a certain chemical in our body? >> it causes us to want to reciprocate. you're nice no. i'm nice to you. it is almost the biological basis for the golden rule. >> so by hugging people, people

release more of this hormone -- >> objectiony toastin. >> it reduces stress and promotes cooperation. without anybody telling us we have to. >> so you tried to do scientific experiments with this in america. we have gotten the approval through kind of a back door method to do objectiony toastin in future time. in a given environment, why would you trust me? >> we do it all the time. if we don't do it, the economy crashes. unless we have someone telling us what to do, we have to create opportunities to create wealth. in countries with high trust, we see higher prosperity, greater happiness, greater well being. unless we used the drug in the

u.s., we couldn't show the causation. >> now there have been 10,000 papers on oxytocin growing from your research. >> that's right. and we've been in clinical trials for autism and schizophren schizophrenia. let's try discover something new. some some people in times square reasonably didn't want the full frontal hug of strangers so producer ratliff tried an experiment of her own. >> here's the appropriate stranger side hug. you just saw it. if you want to feel better, if you want your oyxtocin level to increase, we have to go full frontal. >> no. you are a stranger. >> all kinds of people are happy to hug you? >> they are. >> my producer got full frontal hugs from complete strangers. very few turned her down. some people ran to her. >> she's running.

i'm in the middle of my hug experiment and i'm probably about 40 hugs in. i've hugged men, we have, children. the men i've hugged have hugged a little too tightly. this guy is going in for the kill. going in. my dad is watching. >> the data shows this makes people happy, the hug. to do it scientifically, oyxtocin how? >> we infuse it into the nose. the behaviors like trust, generosity and empathy for others. do you want to try? >> sure. >> so you have -- this is why you're wearing the white coat. osha requires it?

>> i'm required to wear a white coat. and i'm going to take five little puffs and a deep breath. one, two, three, four, five, big breath. again, one, two, three, four, five. big breath. one more. one, two, three, four, five, big breath. >> what's this supposed to do? >> it melts the barrier between you and me. between anybody you see. >> so here's one other experiment that you ran. you gave female spray and then showed them this video. you call at this time cancer kid video. >> it is a point where all of our known medicines it is where it stops working. ben is dying. there are no words to describe how it feels to know that your

time is limited. >> and people who got the spray gave more money? >> in fact, the video itself causes about a 50% increase in oxytocin. if we give you more, we increase the donations to a child who had cancer treatment by 50%. >> one weird experiment after the other. thank you, dr. paul. we'll see if it takes a while to take effect and we'll see if i feel all happy and loving. next, more experiments with other stossels. ♪ defiance is in our bones. defiance never grows old. citracal maximum. easily absorbed calcium plus d. beauty is bone deep. if your denture moves, it can irritate your gums. try fixodent plus gum care. it helps stop denture movement and prevents gum irritation.

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is an anxiety i never knew about. >> our next guest kept his struggle a secret. even from his uncle john stossel. and john and his nephew join us right now. >> scott and i appeared on fox and friends because he recently wrote this best seller. my age of anxiety. so scott, sorry that you're anxious but congratulations on having a best seller which i'm ticked off about because i think it is outselling my last book. >> thank you but your ratings are better than mine, i'm sure. >> how are you that anxious, you can write this book about it and most of us didn't know. certainly your parents knew but i never knew. why not? >> people with panic disorder in particular, you have this incredible fear about having your anxiety exposed so do you everything you can to kind of, you build this, one of my therapists called it impression management. you try put out this veneer of confidence and calm and that is

a symptom but also contributes to the anxiety. you're spending so much work trying to keep that house of cards intact. you're afraid if it falls down and the veneer falls, everyone will see me for the weak, anxious, that a athleticic person that i am. >> if you look at your list of phobias, heights, feigning, being trapped far from home, germs, cheese, flying, vomiting, speaking in public, and yet here you are. on this show. and not just this show to promote age of anxiety. you've been on regular have the have the shows including big ones, tv shows. including with stephen colbert who makes fun of his fear of cheese. >> i would rather be buried in a a tomb of rats and snakes than be dipped into like some gorgonzola. >> no cheese, no cheese.

>> no cheese. >> you're good with velveta though. >> you drugged yourself up to do that tv show. >> yes. >> i'm your uncle. did you have to take something today. >> less than to contend with colbert. >> what typically do you take to speak publicly? >> generally i will take a xanax or if it is a high stakes one, and don't try this at home, i'm not a doctor, but i'll combine that with small amounts of alcohol. >> you really -- not too much or i'll be sleepy, not too little or i'll run off the show. why did you want to do this? you're torturing yourself? >> it has been sort of therapeutic having to do this public speaking on a regular basis. >> it is like you're trying different techniques. you've tried a different techniques. the drugs, prescribed, psycho therapy, more drugs, nothing has worked. or it's all work or some things

have work a little. >> some things have worked a little. nothing has fundamentally cured the underlying disorder or stamped out the anxiety. but for me, certain medications can be incredibly effective, thank god, at treating the symptoms of anxiety. at various times, different forms of talk therapy have been effective. >> for other people, some don't get help from any of them. >> one never knows, in general, this is grossly overstated, for one-third of the treatment will get better, one will get better for a short period of time and one-third it won't help at all. you cannot really tell in advance at least at this point, which one-third will be affected by which particular treatment. >> so go try stuff. try an experiment and see what works. >> which can feel like being a guinea pig. we have this picture of you that came out with the atlantic article that you. did you looked miserable.

i didn't think you were a happy kid. i was not a happy kid either. this was you being anxious. >> yes. i was on vacation in better mud. a i should have been very happy. i was in bermuda. i think we had to go to dinner and it was making me nervous. my brother made you dress that way in bermuda. >> your memory is faulty. they have very touching recollection of being incredibly anxious at thanksgiving dinner. you were over and i got nervous about a stomach ache. and you sat there while i paced back and forth and you were very consoling and kind to me while i had my stomach ache. so you forgot about that. >> here's a picture of you and me at my wedding and your sister who is also anxious, which could make people say, this just runs in the family. >> there is a strong underlying component to anxiety disorders. obviously afflicts me, my sister, many of my ancestors.

>> well, thank you, scott stossel. coming up, for stossels trying crazy experiments. what's wrong with us? or maybe it's not wrong. wrong. if energy could come from anything?. or if power could go anywhere? or if light could seek out the dark? what would happen if that happens? anything. they're about 10 times softer

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this show is about the experiment of trying experiments in life. let us experiment. my immigrant parents didn't teach me that. they said these are the rules of america. study hard in high school, go to grad school, get into a company. that's the route to successful but i've learned there are many other ways and maybe they are better. this group of young entrepreneurs is concluded that. this person runs several businesses including this one that makes money by selling tickets to early morning dance parties.

alex left usc to try experiments. did i get your name right? one was talking his way on to the "the price is right t" tv show. since i'm loading this show up with stossels, this is my son max. so you frighten me because you are living an experiment. >> i am. i jumped head first into the start-up world which has appealed to me because of much of what i've learned from my loving father. i will stand by. people are responsible for their own money, what they're building is when you see good results. that has driven me to these passionate people into these great ideas. >> you live with some of the people you're doing start-ups. with you moved out. i paid big bucks to help send

you to a fancy college. where have you learned more? in two years since you graduated or four years of expensive college? >> i think it has been four since graduation. but in those four, without question learned so much more from the work force than school. i question whether or not i would send my own kids to college when that time comes. >> you quit a job to try these experiments. one is a company that will scan your body for moles and send to it a doctor. >> yes. track mole as they change for early detection of skin cancer. it is 2014. yet dermatologists are recommending that you draw little mole maps. if you can tell me anybody that does that, i would be surprised. >> another turns every customer reaction into an experiment. th in our pocket. right now the data walks out the door. sometime it rewards a customer

if it responds. >> and ocho is an experiment. in the same way that instagram made everybody a better photographer, this makes everybody a better videographer. >> i'm skeptical but i certainly wish luck. now you've already had a bunch of successes. this early morning dance thing? people actually get up at 6:00 in the morning and to go a 7:00 a.m. dance party? >> it was one of those things that we start as an experiment. all of us are for exciting ways to continue that night life mentality but do it in a wholesome way. so we said what if we started this experiment and launch this early morning party called daybreaker. people break the day at 7:00 a.m. and daniel their faces off before work starts and drink coffee, tea, green juice in lieu of alcohol. >> people pay $20 a head. >> $25 a head. >> and it's growing. >> yep. it is growing tremendously.

we're getting calls from new deli, tel aviv, all over the world. >> if you think she looks familiar, it is because her twin sister was once on this show. together they started a business called super sprouts that promotes vegetables to kids. they get celebrities to play along. here's shaquille o'neal. >> my favorite vegetable is broccoli. it makes me super strong. what's your super power? >> come on. no kids will take, eat a vegetable because he does that. >> you wouldn't tell me that if you weren't playing with colby carrot, you wouldn't think about eating a vegetable? see, colby carrot has super sight. so kids learn through stories, through super powers why vegetables are good for you. and we found that experiment had very good success. >> i don't believe it. >> we've seen in it cafeteria lunch rooms. we gave the lunch ladies hand

puppets to remind kids to eat their super powers at the salad star. where the tv screen was, and measure the before and after effects. and it was a 250% increase in children eating vegetables because of our experiments and our programs. >> he says you're one of the most experimental people. >> you left college. you talk your way on to the price is right. >> i had never seen a full episode but i had seen clips. how hard could it be? i pulled an all nighter to figure out how the show works. realize, there is a little loophole in the statistics. focus my energy on that. went the next day. executed my strategy. won the entire showcase showdown. won a sailboat, and that's how i funded my book. >> for your book you're interviewing famous people and you've actually gotten to lady gaga and bill gates? >> well, it wasn't easy. >> you just keep writing e-mails? >> no.

there are some ways you can spirit. i've done cold e-mails and it's worked. i've done cold e-mails and it doesn't work. chased people down the sidewalk. >> for peter gruber, the former ceo of sony pictures, he had just finished a speaking engagement. >> you're a stalker. wasn't he ticked off? >> do you know the difference between a stocker and me? intention. >> one of the things that you do with dozens of your other friends, experimenting is burning in the desert. >> you have all these people coming into one place. they build these remarkable art pieces. it is based on the idea, at the end it comes down. so it is based on the process. it creates a very friendly community driven world. >> well, thank you, everybody. and the super sprouts. go eat your vegetables. next, the smartest stossel of the family. and no, it's not me. fighting constipation by

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jo let us experiment. here's the result of one

experiment. a scientist discovered how your cells crawl. did you know that they crawl? here's video of a white blood cell chasing after germs. those are the smaller black dots you see there. the white blood cell crawls and chases until finally it eats the bacteria! grabs and it eats it! hooray, your blood cell doing this is why you're not dead. the person who discovered how this process works happens to be my brox how many lives have you lengthened with this discovery? >> not a single one. >> so you kept experimenting. >> absolutely. >> and doing this, you sometimes work with drug companies. pharmaceutical companies. >> and technology companies. that's the only way it can be done. there is no other way. >> i'm now told that this is a horrible conflict of interest. you're a harvard researcher.

you supposedly just want to get the information but the drug company just wants to make money. >> both are true. i want to get the information. the drug company wants to make money and every benefits. >> but you >> i call it the conflict of interest mania. >> mania meaning? >> it has no substance. it's just made up. it's taking what is normal competition, normal controversy and turning it into a witch hunt. >> are all of these -- aren't there all these cases where researchers doctor their work in order to sell some drug and drug companies push drugs that aren't good for us? >> well, actually, there aren't. that all the cases of scientific fraud where researchers have made things up, they've had nothing to do with industry. >> this is just people trying to -- people like you, researchers trying to advance their own careers. >> yeah. or for reasons you can't even fathom. because success in science is when other people with reproduce

your work. and stuff you make up, people can't reproduce. >> but i'm seeing all these conflict of interest stories. you have a graph that shows how they've increased. and the titles of the stories are hilarious. bad pharma, money-driven medicine, the big fix. . sex, lies and pharmaceuticals. it's kind of interesting. i want to make sure you and your partnership with say, biogen isn't going to sell me a drug that's bad. it's bias, it's believable. >> well, it's superficially plausible. people cheat for money. but the fact is that it takes enormous amounts of resources to get those products to people. medicine's incredibly better today than when i started out. and it's too bad that the medical products industry, the drug companies, the device

companies have let themselves be blamed for bad things they didn't do. and they've let doctors, hospitals, medical journals, medical schools take credit for the good things they've done. now, all those things are important. >> yeah, i thought that's where the innovation came from. from medical schools and government-funded research. >> well, i've had government funded research my whole life. it's great, it's important. but the vast predominance of what gets products to patients comes from the private sector. only a private sector has the resources and the skill sets to get the job done. >> and the experiment that taught you that is you ended up working with this company biogen. the picture of the board wearing their beanie hat. some were nobel price winners. and this turned your head around. >> the reason the folks are wearing the beanies. they were world class scientists, nobel prize winners and one individual in particular who was in that picture just died last year, his name's ken

murray. and his work led to what is now the hepatitis vaccine. and this is hugely important. >> and the way this man was paid is now forbidden at harvard. he got stock options, this is now illegal in the conflict of interest rules. >> that's correct. the research he did to develop the hepatitis vaccine, he could not have had the stock. and arguably, he wouldn't have done it. >> thank you, tom. >> next, just what is this show about? why are there so many stossels here talking about back pain, medical research, fear of cheese? i will try to tie all of this together next. ike diet can negatively impact good bacteria? even if you're healthy and active. phillips digestive health support is a duo-probiotic that helps supplement good bacteria found in twoarts of your digestive tract. i'm doubly impressed! phillips' digestive health. a daily probiotic.

here i am hosting this tv show. i've had a 40-year career in journalism, and yet, how did i get here? never planned to be a reporter. i wasn't a good public speaker. i'm kind of shy, and i stutter. so, again, why am i here? because of experiments. i was accepted by a graduate school of hospital management at the university of chicago. yippee, but before i went to grad school since i was sick of school, i took a year off. i went to lots of job interviews. seattle magazine offered me a job doing bookkeeping. i accepted. but they went out of business.

then someone offered me a job working at a tv newsroom, that too was an experiment. i never even watched tv news. i never took a journalism course. in retrospect having no formal training probably helped me. tv news was inventing itself there and i was open to new ideas and more willing than my professionally trained colleagues to experiment. so i did well in a profession barely invented when i was in school. tonight, i was surprised when my own son said this. i questioned whether or not if i could send my own kids to college when that time comes. >> the world has changed. but i think he's right. by the time that time comes, most four-year colleges will probably be history. they'll be cheaper and better alternatives created by people who tried experiments. i tried one experiment earlier on this show that happiness researcher injected the hormone

oxytosin and gave me about ten hits of the stuff. research suggests extra amounts of the hormone can make people feel happier. did it work? >> one, two, three, four, five, breathe. >> well, it's now about 40 minutes later and i feel -- nothing, really. no happier, no different. he did say it may take an hour for it to take effect. so i'll wait and report what happens to me later tonight on my web page at johnstossel.com. finally, let's remember america is an experiment. explorers sailed west, they didn't know what they'd find. then the limited government, the founders created in philadelphia were an experiment. it happened to bring us the longest functioning democracy in the modern world but the founders didn't expect that. george washington said he didn't expect the constitution to last 20 years. yet, here it is still going

strong. and so are we so far. so let's keep experimenting. that's our show. see you next week. hello, everyone. welcome to a brand new hour inside america's news headquarters. >> hello, everyone, i'm eric shawn. topping the news at this hour. american doctor kent bradley infected with the ebola virus is undergoing treatment at an atlanta hospital. he's being seen here walking out of an ambulance on the left. he was admitted to that hospital earlier today. we will have the very latest on his condition. and as the fight enrages in gaza, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu had tough words today about israel's next move in its offensive against hamas