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revolting is what hamas wants. >> hamas does not care for the lives of palestinians. don't think for a second, please, that hamas cares for the children's blood. they want the children of gaza to day. >> tonight as israel announces plans to scale down military operations once the mission is accomplished, i'll ask my panel whether even once the tunnels are destroyed, if the mission is still impossible. >> translator: we will continue acting according to the security needs and only according to the security needs of israel until we have the target of bringing security back to the citizens of israel. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu making that announcement that israel is close to its stated goal of destroying the tunnels hamas has used to attack israel. the chief spokesman for the

prime minister joins me right now from tel aviv. mark, good evening. thank you very much for coming on. you have heard the angry anti-semitic chants now coming from the streets of europe. demonstrations throughout much of that part of the world. very anti-israeli. much of it anti-semitic. these civilian casualties in gaza giving fodder to the enemies of israel. mark, what do you do about it? >> well, first of all, there's that picture. and you're right, there is a lot of anti-semitism. you only have to read the chatter of hamas to see good ole fashioned anti-semitism. i mean, these conspiracy theories about jews that we thought had vanished from this planet. it's all there in hamas' official chatter. of course, a lot of hamas' friends across the planet share those sort of racist anti-semitic views.

i would like to point to the other side. we have seen hamas today condemned internationally. condemned for its rockets of israeli cities. condemned for rejecting humanitarian cease-fires. even in the arab world, hamas is more isolated than ever before. you saw that piece two, three days ago in "the new york times." even the arab world today looks at hamas and they blame hamas for the misfortune, for the tragedy going on in gaza today. the truth is, it's right to blame hamas. this conflict was initiated by th hamas. this could have ended when my government accepted an egyptian cease-fire and hamas said no. this tragedy is solely the responsible of hamas. and the people of gaza are beginning to understand that, too. >> mark, good luck to you. to israel.

hope any a cease-fire is over the horizon sometime soon. thank you very much for being with me. joining me live right here in our new york studio, israel's ambassador to the united nations. thank you very much form being with me. we have received news late this evening that lieutenant golden is dead. how do you know he is dead and what exactly do you know about snit >> first, this is tragic. secondly, you know in the jewish that decision, to say something like that, we have evidence. because of the sensitivity, i don't want to go into it now, but i'm sure at a later stage all the detail also be out on this. >> do you have his remains in israeli custody, mr. ambassador? >> that's why i said it's sensitive. but there is a clear statement on this, and believe me, as you know in the past, we are very, very careful of making a statement like that.

>> i totally respect that, mr. ambassador. may we now assume, now that that issue is resolved, this is the death, the ambush, the capture -- the alleged capture of lieutenant golden that shattered the 72-hour cease-fire that secretary kerry and others negotiated. so it's very critical to know, will israel now, as the prime minister alluded earlier this evening, begin winding down military operations in gaza? >> the prime minister was very clear. we are redeploying, making sure that we get the terror tunnels. and if i may say that a bit with the terror tunnels, i have a feeling that some of the international community have tunnel vision of the terrorist tunnels. hence, narrow, blaming israel for everything. and not allowing hamas to

really -- the ones that are using those terror tunnels against israeli communities. so we are redeploying, and we'll keep on making sure that the tunnels are out and continue against the military infrastructure of hamas. >> but you say the terror tunnels are almost finished. but you're going to keep going against the hamas infrastructure. does that mean the violence in gaza continues? >> it's like you saw, from our point of view, we said yes to seven cease-fires. we want to end this. the equation is quite simple. if it's going to be quiet in israel, it's going to be quiet in gaza. >> i hate to be nitpicking. are you saying that if hamas stops firing rockets, israel will stop firing into gaza? >> absolutely. >> so there will be a de facto cease-fire if hamas stops the rocket firing?

>> well, the answer is yes. 72 hours halt, seven cease-fires, israel said yes to and hamas broke. we cease and they fire. >> you cease, they fire. that's true. do you worry about -- i mentioned about this worldwide hatred directed toward s israel? >> of course, but what can we do? we opened gaza, we left greenhouses that they burned to the ground. they wanted gaza -- we have nothing against the palestinian people. but we have a real problem with a terrorist organization which goes beyond this. this is jihadist. you see that affect all over the arab world. you see it in syria, in iraq. those guys have a mission, and the mission goes to destroy not just israel, but everything that

they feel goes against their ideology, which is destruction and death. >> mr. ambassador, i wish we could have a meeting one day where we'll say all this is behind us. thank you for being with me today. >> thank you. coming up, as the fighting in gaza continues, the disproportionate civilian casualties, over 1700 palestinian dead, many of them women and children, are leading to intense pressure on both israel and it's one and only true friend the united states. how is that battle going for the hearts and minds? allegations of media bias. and don't forget ukraine, the civil war raging in the heart of europe. we'll be back in a flash. [musi♪ jackie's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.

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hey hey, ho ho, the occupation's got to go! hey hey, ho ho, the occupation's got to go! >> is the coverage of the fighting in gaza biased? and if it is slanted, which way does it bend? our guest is in an ideal to judge media coverage. he owns the terrific "new york daily news." here in the studio, a prominent journalist of palestinian dissent. born in israel, married to a jewish fellow. but believes the coverage of the middle east is biased when it comes to israel, bias in favor of israel. she had a real confrontation with a former bosses at msnbc. here is rula on msnbc. >> the media is ridiculous, disgustingly bias when it comes

to this issue. look at how much air time on a daily basis. i've never seen one palestinian being interviewed on these same issues. >> mort, what do you think in terms of media bias and what you just heard? >> a lot of the people feel the press is tilted against israel and a lot of the people feel it's tilted in favor of israel. but guess what? that's the way the media works. on the balance, i think it's a very tough battle to figure out who's ahead and it varies from moment to moment. you know, when you look at what happens, when israel was heavily criticized for some of the civilian casualties that came out of what they were doing, it was one thing. when the israelis were the recipients of 2900 missiles that were armed missiles, it went in the other direction. some people will call it bias,

some people will call it reasoned judgment. >> rula, welcome live. my wife, erica, like you, i have a jewish spouse, to cancel our subscription to "the new york times" because she thinks it's biased against israel. you made a statement, very bold and powerful statement on msnbc that the media was biased against the palestinians in favor of israel. which is it in >> it's very simple. look at not only how much air time we give israeli officials versus palestinian officials. without challenging israeli positions, not on their narrative. but challenging them on their failing policies. one question is about what do you want to do with the palestinian majority that are living in the west bank and gaza? how would you accept eventually to couple demilitarization with occupation? that the way to eliminate extremism is by giving the aspiration of palestinians for dignity and a better life and a sovereign state. this is the way to go. what we are not being able to do

as media is to detach a little bit, to be less emotional. and i understand your wife. >> see there, very strong views on all sides of the issue. i think we call it democracy. i don't know, it's just a strange word to use, but it's called freedom of the press. you have to trust that the american public or whoever is the public is going to make up their own minds based on learning and reading and watching both sides of the issue. this is the way our system works. i happen to like it. others may not like it. this is something that those of us in the media have to do our best to be as fair minded as possible. >> let's look at one thing. how many people here on fox news do you have that are from arab descent? >> i don't know. >> zero. this is what we're lacking. this is the story never told, people that live 45 years under military occupation, and to have

one dream, to have a sovereign state and to live with dignity, without soldiers telling them what to do and where to go. this is only one dream. if we don't solve that issue and their aspiration, we will leave them in the hand of extremists. this is my concern and fear. if we don't question policies, extremists win. >> mort, you get last word. >> i'm not in favor of having the extremists dominate the policies on either side. but i've been involved in this negotiation for many years. there were constructive proposals put forth, they did make some progress on occasion. and i agree there are extremists on all sides of thesish shoes. but the bulk of people in israel, including the current administration, are trying very hard to reach a compromise. but i hope there will be that moment when they can reach an agreement.

i don't know that it will happen, i hope it does. but you have to wait until conditions are right for it to happen. i don't agree with you that one side is so completely unbalanced and the other side is. i think both of them have members on either team who are, shall we say, extremists. but the people who are in power should have the ability and the willingness to take the chances that are necessary to bring about a resolution of this issue. >> i've got to leave it there. mort, thank you very much. rula, a pleasure. >> thank you for having me. >> don't with a stranger. we'll continue with more on today's fighting in gaza. the great israeli-palestinian debate. and up next, the latest on the other war between ukraine and russia. as investigators dodge bullets to retrieve the remains of 80 passengers from malaysian flight 17. nexium®, the purple pill, is now available without a prescription for frequent heartburn. get complete protection. because the best moments in life

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this is a fox news alert. the israeli soldier feared captured by hamas in gaza, 23-year-old lieutenant hadar golden is dead. let's go live to conor powell in gaza. how did the israelis discover the fate of this young man? we have a bit of a they but tell us what you know. >> reporter: for the past 24 hours, the israeli government said that lieutenant golden had been captured by hamas while trying to destroy a tunnel, a cross-border tunnel the israeli military had been focused on in southern gaza. hamas denied this, the political and military wing. the military wing didn't deny there was an attempt to capture this second lieutenant but said they didn't have him. they had lost contact with the

militants that had been sent to capture and to fight the israelis. they said all along they did not have him. later tonight, the israeli military said they had done a forensic investigation of the sight and concluded that the second lieutenant was killed in action and not in possession or captured by the hamas militants in that area. of course, the israeli government and military had really opened fire on southern gaza in the last 4 hours, just bombarding the area in an effort to punish those who had captured him. now we know that, in fact, he was not captured. so really heavy fighting had shifted from gaza city to other places here in the gaza strip to the southern part where the israeli military just unleashed shelling all over southern gaza. that seems to have died down, as as fighting across all of gaza. the israeli military announcing tonight that they are beginning to redeploy many of their troops

to the israeli side of the border. they're saying the task of destroying these cross border tunnels, about 32 i identified, is basically coming to an end. they'll continue to hit hamas for firing rockets but will pull out of gaza for the most part. the conflict is continuing, but unofficially, we are seeing a dramatic change on the ground from the fighting we've seen in the last few weeks. >> excellent reporting. thank you very much. this is another fox news alert. continues fighting raging around the team of 70 touch and australian investigators using sniffer dogs to recover more human remains in eastern ukraine. what do we do about those responsible for the 298 deaths? lieutenant general jack cane is live for us in d.c. so general, welcome. the bad guys not making the retrieval of those remains any

easer. is that another reason to despise them and what they do? >> i mean, certainly. this whole effort is an unconventional war designed by putin and his thugs, using his officers to lead it, directing it, controlling it, supplying it. and this has been going on for months now. and that set the conditions for this horrific and tragic act that took place in killing these innocent people. and he, putin should be held accountable and his leaders certainly. >> we are hoping for concessions and compromise in the middle east. do we want concessions and compromise in ukraine? or is this, do you believe, general, the time to confront putin and russia? >> well, i think we should have confronted putin certainly as a result of annexing crime. the fact that we have not done that has done nothing but

encourage him. listen, putin is after a new russian empire. and people are talking about, is this another cold war or not? i think putin has initiated this cold war, and i think he clearly intends to win it, having watched the debacle that he believes took place in 1991 when the soviet union collapsed. he has take an strategic view of this, and he's absolutely counting, geraldo, on the passivity of europe and the united states leadership to accomplish those goals. to date, he appears to be well on his way. >> general, do you believe we should be taking a victory lap for the more severe sanctions announced by europe and the united states on russia? >> no, absolutely not. are they better than what we were doing? yes, but they're so selective, geraldo, that they're not going to have the kind of impact that we want. for example, u.s. sanctions on the banking system. five out of the six banks to be sure. but the fact of the matter is,

it only deals with credit and equity. all other transactions can take place. the french can still deliver the amphibious ship that the russians are buying from them. that's an absolute absurdity. >> don't you think in that regard particularly that the french should be embarrassed? shouldn't we to our best to call them out and say, what are you, are you caving again like you did in world war ii? >> yes, i totally agree with you. but it doesn't seem to help one bit, geraldo. i don't believe we are doing what you are suggesting, even privately. the french will be able to continue on. the germans have their selective piece, as do the brits. so the comprehensive sectorial sanctions that people are desiring are still far from being enacted. >> general, great, thank you so much. i appreciate it. thank you very much. >> good talking to you, as always, geraldo. up next, is public opinion

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in the northeast corner of the state, it's estimated nearly 20 square miles of land has been torched, and forced about 150 homes to evacuate. now back to "geraldo rivera reports." israel thinks it's terrible to have tunnels under the land but it's okay to go over the land. who is killing more innocent civilians? >> i'm jewish. i'm ashamed what israel is doing. israel must stop this for its own good and for the good of palestine and humanity. >> this is a fox news alert. american muslim groups and other critics of the violence in gaza protesting outside the white house today. the turnout includincluding, as heard, some jewish groups. the president and first family were not inside the big house at the time. they're spending the president's

birthday weekend at camp david. he turns 53 on monday. despite today's turnout, most commentators still see america's and israel's interest as interwoven. but the graphic impact of social media and the plight of those awful images we have seen of the civilian casualties in gaza are shaking somese long-held beliefs. as craig reports. [ baby crying ] [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: as the offensive in gaza has continued with the death toll rising, a number of protests have popped up around the world and here in the united states. union square in new york city, a number of protesters have gathered to illustrate the number of those killed during

this latest round of violence. >> israel has gone mad. >> i'm here because my heart is broken. for america and for israel. >> they don't consider us people. >> protest organizer amanda is a palestinian-american college student. she has a harsh reminder of life in gaza during a recent visit with family. >> they humiliated and assaulted me at the border. >> reporter: assaulted you in what way? >> hitting me, calling me a dirty palestinian. >> reporter: how did that make you feel sh >> it makes me feel like i live in a country that sends $3.1 billion a year to israel from my tax dollars and i'm supporting them oppressing me and my

people. >> reporter: israel says it will strike as long as militants inside gaza continue to attack israelis. before the current round of fighting, i visited gaza. gaza city is separated from israel by a two kilometer long buffer zone, where right now at the ezra crossing, we just went through a major terminal. kind of like a customs where we had to exit israel to enter into the gaza strip. on the other side of the two kilometer tunnels, the palestinian authority checkpoint where special interest ngos, people who have medical issues and special permission can cross into israel. as you can see, this is the fence that separates israel from the gaza strip. this is a village, this settlement very close by the israeli border. this is an area where it's of great concern to israelis. it's where palestinian fighters

actually launch rockets into israel. these residential areas still showing scars of israeli tanks as they travel into gaza, shooting along the roof tops to make sure snipers aren't up there to attack the tanks. this is the beach refugee camp, about 100,000 palestinians living on the poverty level along the shoreline here in gaza. since 2006, a blockade has been enforced since the 2006 cross border raid by hamas. is it frustrating to you when you see a rocket attack by palestinian fighters, drawing in

a retaliatory attack? it seems like a vicious circle. >> you cannot expect that people living under this frustration, a lot of them might think of any act just because he's losing hope of everything in his life. do you understand me? >> reporter: until the current ground of bitter fighting, just by the blockade and border restrictions, a group of palestinian businessmen are attempting to revitalize gaza. he runs a five-star hotel in gaza city. a far cry from refugee camps. while he disagrees with the violence that prompted the incursion, he blames the harsh conditions for the 1.7 million crammed in an area the size of detroit. >> we have a -- they are creating a very bad neighborhood, because there's no other choice. we are neighbors. no way.

so it's their choice to make a modest neighbor that can live in dignity. or make a very frustrated neighbor that is ready to make any act. do you understand me? >> hamas is the one to blame. hamas is the one putting all the kids inside. >> reporter: a full bright scholar from israel attended the new york protest. >> using them as human shields, you though that already. and a few times there was a cease-fire and hamas continued to fire. so there's just no buy for peace. >> reporter: while the condemnation of killing of innocents is unanimous, there's no unanimous solution to what's going on in the gaza strip. >> craig, thank you very much. up next, in the tense middle east negotiations, is secretary of state john kerry an asset or a liability to barack obama? put another way, are friends of

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>> my next guest is columnist whose latest book "things that matter" has been a "new york times" best seller for nine months. we welcome the smartest chan i know, dr. charles krauthammer to the program. why are you so down on secretary john kerry? >> i'm not against him trying to get a cease-fire. i think he made a terrible mistake, that's what i wrote about today, when the cease-fire was proposed two weeks ago by the egyptians that was before the israeli ground incursion, think of all the lives that would have been saved. now, that cease-fire was proposed, not only by egypt, it was supported by the entire arab league, including saudi arabia. all the moderate arabs. and what kerry did is instead of simply staying home and saying the u.s. supports that cease-fire, which is what the moderate arabs, the arabs allied with the u.s. wanted. he goes off to paris, negotiations with qatar and

turkey, who are hamas' allies and lawyers, and then sends jerusalem a set of terms that would fulfill all of hamas' demands. i give kerry great credit for working out that deal finally two weeks later after a lot of people had died, and trying today to be very stern in placing the blame today where it belongs, on hamas for the breaking of the cease-fire and the killing of israelis. so i give him credit. i think he's walked it back, and i don't expect he'll be advocating the hamas position in the future. >> you talk about all of the people who have lost their lives, these images, particularly of the children who have been killed. i just saw a piece on television that named the children being supported by various agencies, now the child is dead by a rocket, dead by an f-16 bomb.

does it really matter who's responsib responsible? >> how can you end up not understanding the person responsible for the death of that child is the one who turns down all the cease-fires, and started this war in the first place? israel has zero interest in a war with hamas. it began with unremitting rocket fire aimed at israeli cities, which is in and of itself a war crime. so side a starts with a war crime, and then you place the blame on side b? i think it matters. >> does it matter really? look how israel is being further isolated from nations in europe, in asia, in africa. it risks, doesn't it, becoming a new apartheid south africa? >> the jews have known isolation for a long time. in the '30s and '40s they were

completely isolated and were just about wiped out in europe, 6 million killed. but now they have the means to defend themselves. so they worry about isolation for 2,000 years, isolation, hostility, anti-semitism you can see pouring out in the streets of europe, including in germany, holding up signs saying hitler was right. isolation is not the israeli problem, it is can they defend themselves in the united states is the only country with the capacity to help or stymie israel. that's what matters, opinion here. will the united states allow israel to defend itself? it is not asking for american troops, never has in all the five wars. never. it simply asks its american friends to understand that it is the subject of a war crime war, and needs to defend itself. it's got no other option. geraldo, if we were getting

rockets to new york and washington, do you have any doubt that we would be counterattacking? and if the enemy had their rockets hidden in cities, would we not try to be as surge call as we could and go after the rocket sites? the answer is of course yes. >> dr. charles krauthammer, always a delight. thank you very much. >> a pleasure. most americans are firm in their support of israel but there are some cracks within the jewish community. i'll talk about it with professor alan dershowitz after this.

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israel out on civilian casualties and urge them to do more. now is the time for our administration to speak with one voice alongside the congress an administration to speak with one voice across the congress and condemn hamas. >> said lindsay graham. usually it is israeli public opinion that is divided. this time that phenomenon i think is reversed. israelis are support netenyahu. do you feel disloyal in any way? thanks for being here, by the way. >> thank you for having me. there were not hundreds of people today at the white house

protesting israel's attack on gaza. there were tens of thousands of people. there were people of all races, religions, ethnicities. >> when you say things like that, i know in my family when i mention something like that, i get a reaction that is intensely negative from my relatives who say i'm being disloyal, that i'm undermining the negotiating position of israel. how do you deal with it at that personal level? >> geraldo, israel has targeted more than 160 palestinian schools and hospitals in the gaza strip over the past three weeks. these are crimes against humanity. i don't think anyone should be loyal to defending war crimes. >> do you believe in a two-state

solution? >> it's not whether i believe in a two-state solution. let's look at the actions of israel. israel, i think, is closing the door on their being a legitimate two-state solution to this issue. >> so you think israel's policies are making a compromise to the solution impossible? >> even according to the secretary of state and his timeline, that window has now closed. the only question is how much longer is the international community going to tolerate continued israeli apartheid control over the palestinian people and these disgusting and revolting massacres we're seeing of palestinian civilians right now. >> i appreciate it. policy director for the u.s. campaign to end the israeli

occupation. my next guest is a athe author the book "taking a stand." all how do you respond at his sincere rage at the bloodshed and targeting of schools, et cetera? >> 2001, israel lost a -- they responded with bombing, or suicide bombings, in which more israeli civilians were killed than palestinian civilians at that period of time. then in 2005, israel ended occupation of the gaza, and gaza

was free. they could have elections. they did. they elected hamas. the strategy is what i call the dead baby strategy. what they did is they decided essentially to fire rockets from behind children in order to induce israel to fire back and to kill as many civilians as possible. israel's goal is to minimize civilians on both sides and hamas' goal is to maximize casualties on both sides. the only way to stop this is to insist what hamas is doing, by hiding behind civilians, by firing rockets at civilians, is a war crime and is the cause of this. you can't stop israel from fighting back. even the greatest peacemaker in

israel started an interview the other day by asking the interviewer what would you do if your neighbor put his baby on his lap and started firing machine guns into your nursery at your children? would you not start firing back at them? >> professor, it is impossible to -- hold on a second. i gave you the minute. it is impossible to ignore 1700 dead on one side, most of them civilians, many of them women and children, and 64 dead on the other side. all of them soldiers with three exceptions. that is -- we're humanists also. >> israel loses soldiers. it puts its soldiers in harms way. palestinians use civilians as

human shields. hamas deliberately uses the media to try to create an atmosphere against israel. geraldo, what would you do if you were being shot at from -- if your family, your wonderful child, were being shot at by somebody who was holding his child as a human shield? would you sacrifice your child? of course israelis haven't been killed because they have developed iron dome. they have made all kinds of shelters. hamas doesn't allow their civilians to go in shelters. they want civilian casualties. you're playing into their hands by repeating these numbers without context. >> i have given it plenty of context tonight. i beg to differ, professor. i think there are two sides to this story. i appreciate you coming. we're out of time. unfortunately, ladies and

gentlemen, this is a conversation, a debate, that could take us all day. i've been covering the ebb and flow of the violence in the middle east for years. until there is a permanent two-state solution, these episodes of violence will just keep repeating themselves. thanks for watching. have a great weekend. one day, factories will work with the cloud. one day... is today. this is holly. her long day of outdoor adventure starts with knee pain.

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