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i'm bill o'reilly. please always remember that the spin stops right here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, we're hours away from a potentially major cease-fire in israel. after a weekend of some seriously tough talks between the u.s. and tel aviv it leaves some folks wondering if our relationship our best middle eastern ally will ever be the same. welcome in to the kelly files. i'm shannon bream in for kelly. the decision comes on the heels of some disturbing incidents after man and a bulldozer slam into a bus repeatedly in jerusalem today. in an event israeli police are calling a terrorist attack. on sunday ten people were killed
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includi including several children when a u.n. school being used for a shelter was struck. israel has denied shelling the school but that didn't stop the state spokesperson jen psaki from slamming their policies. she called it a disgraceful shelling of a u.n. school and israel must do more to meet its own standarded and avoid civilian casualties. it was taken one step further, telling "face the nation," while it supports the allies, we can't sit back and support innocent civilians being killed. >> you can't condone the killing of all these innocent children. >> prime minister netanyahu had harsh words of his own. to the u.s., don't second-guess me on hamas. the prime minister reportedly saying after a cease-fire with
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hamas fell through in less than a few hours on friday morning. ed henry is our chief white house correspondent and he's standing by. hi, ed. >> reporter: hi, shannon. neither side is denying it. netanyahu responded to reporters by saying that the ap report that started all this did not fully reflect the tone and substance of their frequent phone calls overall, not exactly it. they're trying to spin it by saying, look, this is the sign of a healthy relationship that from time to time you can disagree. again, not exactly a denial that these harsh words were exchanged and from the white house podium today josh ernest said they're keeping the pressure on israel. listen. >> what we believe is they can and should do more to live up to the standards they set. a few hours ago the president signed into law another $225
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million in emergency funds for iron dome, sending a signal that they believe here at the white house that israel ha a right to defend itself against these rocket attacks from gaza. but, look, there's nothing new about tension in the obama/netanyahu relationship. i was in the white house in the spring of 2010 wrenwhere they had a meeting in the roosevelt room. it got a little tense. at one point the president left to have dinner with his family leaving netanyahu to cool his heels. they briefly had a second meeting but that broke down as well. bochl line, at least back then they were talking about the middle east process. now they can't even agree on a cease-fire that lasts usually for more than a few hours and they're nowhere near talking an broader peace deal here, shannon. >> all right. we know you're watching it, ed. thank you so much. joining us for more on this, dr. ben carson, a fox news contributor. doctor, so many things wi can
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talk to you about tonight. let's start with this issue with israel. a lot of back and forth between allies. what do you make of it? >> it's rather sad to see things have degenerated to this point. you know, israel's nation was established in that region larmly because of us back in the late '40s, and america has always been like israel's big brother going through a tough neighborhood. now, if you abandon your little brother in that tough neighborhood, he's going to get picked on a lot. so you see an escalation of things happening in that region. i think we need to establish a strong and confident israel who knows that we have their back and i think you'd see a lot of these other things stopping. now, there's no question that it's horrible what's happening. all the lives that are being lost, the terror on both sides. these are horrible things. but we have to recognize when people have wars, horrible
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things happen. i actually don't know why we continue in this day and age to try to kill each other. and then we have rules about who you can kill and who you can't kill. if you're going to have rules of war, why not make a rule that says no war. that would seem to solve the whole problem. >> yeah. if only groups like hamas would follow that because their stated goal is to wipe israel off the face of the earth. with know they're getting support. israel is very much alone in many respects in that region, so the alliance we have with them, you talk about the support from the late '40s as they came into being has been critical. what i've heard publicly back and forth numerous times from the white house and then from prime minister netanyahu's office is that we are happy with the u.s. and support the u.s. the up supports us. publicly we hear that over and over again, yet there seems to be a little bit of crack in the friendship. what i hear is there are some who are unhappy with things like we heard from jen psaki.
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she's speaking for the state department which is the administration saying they're appalled, they're -- it's disgraceful what's happened. and then we hear behind the scenes that netanyahu is voicing his -- you know, he's pushing back saying i want this administration not to ever second guess me when it comes to hamas. do you think that below the surface there are fishes here? >> there are major fishes going on here. that's been going on for a few years now. we have to stop and look at it objectively. if somebody were lobbing missiles to our american cities across the southern border, northern border, anywhere, we would be outrage and we wouldn't be all that careful about how we sought revenge. we'd be stopping it by whatever means. here you have missiles coming in, tunnels being dug so people can be abducted so terrorist attacks can be carried on. why is it -- i wish people would
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begin to ask hamas why are you doing this, what is your justification for doing this? and if their answer is because we want to wipe israel off the face of the map, that's not a very good justification. let's hear some better justifications for why they're doing that. what's happening is a reaction too what's going on. of course, there's fault to go around wherev around everywhere. i heard no explanation from their leadership other than their desire to skparm nate the state of israel. let me ask you. we know you have put together a passage tell us about that. a lot of folks say it's a major step. there are a lot of folks trying to draft you to run in 2016. are you any closer to making that decision? >> well, we did putting together a pack this weekend called usa
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first pac. and really we need to put it in place in case we make decisions. you never want to go in flatfooted. but also because you want to be able to support the candidates who are running this fall. i think this is a critical election. if we don't get by this election this fall, i don't know how much of our good infrastructure will be left in terms of a good democratic society. the fact of the matter is if we don't have a major change and we have people who have common sense and not people who are trying to create this, quote, utopian society that so many have tried in the pafts, then we could very easily lose american as it stands. so that's why we've create add pac to move forward in that process to helping to win the senate this fall. that will have to be only the beginning. we then have to go on toward
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2016. and we have to do things that work for everybody. we have to put the constitution back on the top step and we have to stop picking and choosing laws that we want to enforce. >> a good point number matter who is the president, regardless of party, that's one thing the constitution should guarantee. all right, dr. carson, good to see. i have to tell you when i tweeted out you were going to be on the show, a lot of folks hoping that means 2016 for you. good to see you. >> good to see you, shannon. >> all right. some breaking news on where hamas is getting the technology they're using. a senior official said they provided hamas with newer technology with longer range and more destructive payloads. among other things you're everywhere. thanks for making time for us tonight. >> thank you. >> let's talk about this. you understand the details and
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minutia of all this. you spent a lot of o time in the middle east. no surprise iran is support ham mass. >> no. what i think we're seeing is a re-establishn't of longstanding support they even had for hamas. there was a big bit of a fracture because iran wanted hamas to support its continues efforts so there was something of a mini divorce for a period of time but now they're coming back together and the iranian supreme leader said it's the duty to arm the hamas official. others say not only do we have this duty, we were part of this process of getting hamas the rockets they need to conduct this offensive against israel. >> how much of this is a proxy war beyond just hamas at this point with iran on one side, u.s. clearly allied with israel. how much of it is a bigger argument about who controls it? >> a lot of it. there's the diplomatic side of it which i think has been very illuminating to see who is helpful in the region and who is
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not. what we're seeing is the egyptian government, the saudi government, they recognize the danger. so they're trying to push for some kind of a cease-fire and eventual stability if they can whereas you see turkey and qatar are essentially bad actors. have before very difficult and pro-hamas in negotiating. and on the military side of things, iran wants to hold itself up as the main antagonist of israel and that's why they have these. they're helping sunni hamas. they don't care as long as they're literally directing their fire toward the state of israel. so i han hasn't given up that mission and if they try to establish that it could prolong the conflict or we could see another cycle of it very soon. >> i want to quickly ask you about the news of isis or whatever it's calling itself now. it's making great progress, advancing toward oil fields. it would be a huge cue for is to
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get ahold of. >> this gives them a tremendous amount of leverage in the region. this will give them the ability to actually conduct a lot more sort of the state services that they want to have in order to pretempt that they are, in fact, the islamic state. it also puts more pressure on the kurds which are actually an ally in the state and the region. so the islamic state is increasingly becoming what it is, that's worrisome for us. it gives them an aircraft carrier for not only us beanywhere in the world. >> they're further encroaching. buck, thank you for lending us your expertise. >> great to see you. coming up, the deadly ebola virus. doctors are looking at a scare and a potential third victim. plus, a fight over what preachers can say from the pulpit. we'll see how the irs is involved in policing the whole
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it was between nancy pelosi and tom moore reno. it happened over an immigration bill on friday. he called out democrats for playing politics for failing to address the border crisis when they should have. listen and watch. >> in 2009 and 2010 they had the house, the senate, and the white house and they knew this problem existed. they didn't have the strength to go after it back then but now they're trying to make a political issue out of it now. >> well, that set off congresswoman pelosi who was speaker of the house way back at that time that they were talking about. as congressman moreno finished, miss pelosi confronted him in a breach of etiquette. watch your lower right-hand screen. >> we need to protect this from the people coming across. >> gentlemen -- >> it is true. i did the research on it. you might want to try it. you might want to try it. >> it didn't stop there. as the congressman walked away,
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congresswoman pelosi storm aid cross the aisle waving her finger. watch and listen. even fellow democrats act surprised. >> i yield one minute to the gentleman from washington, adam smith. >> gentleman from washington is recognized for one minute. >> what is she doing? >> what was she doing? tom moore reno joins us live. good to see you, congressman. >> thank you. it's a ploesh to be here. >> i have to ask you. you were out there making your remarks. were you surprised by her approach and what was happening? >> i wasn't surprised, but it's a breach of protocol. i had never seen it and my colleagues, certainly they have never seen it. look. anything she does will not surprise me anymore. >> she was clearly upset and i understand this conversation continued. can you tell us about any further words that were between the two of you after what we saw there? >> sure. when she came over the first
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time she called me a liar, you're a liar, this isn't true. and you heard what i said about -- i was a prosecutor for 18 years, i did my research and homework and told her about that and said h her you might want to try that. >> well, giev tot ask you that. her office said she was coming to remind you that the house democrats had passed the d.r.e.a.m. act. obviously you were saying the democrats controlled everything. her office says that she simply wanted to remind you that house democrats had acted and they also say that see accepts your apology, but was there one? >> no. first of all, if she wanted to remind me, she could have asked me to yield, to respond to make a statement. she could have asked for more time on the floor. she didn't. she just slimly was losing it and when i finished and said i must have struck a nerve here, she came back and followed me up and said that i was
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insignificant. >> what was the context? >> she just -- she looked very bizarre, very angry to the point where she just said you are insignificant. you know, i can take that. as i said, was prosecutor for 18 years. i was threatened by drug dealers, murderers, and organized crime. this was a walk in the park. i suggested to her we go off the floor so there wasn't a scene and, again, she told me i was insignificant. she'll telling my people and the district we're insignificant. that the american people aren't royalty because there is a fair number of people who act like royalty and that was a primary example of it and i just simply said you're acting arrogant and let's discuss this and then she was escorted off the floor by the sergeant of arms and someone from her side of the aisle. look, i'm a street fighter.
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i'm not going to take anything. i'm a gentleman. i was. i think that's what unhinged her. >> did you apologize? >> i did not. >> she said she accepted your apology. >> they were scolded for that. >> do you want an apology from her? >> no. i want her to apologize to the americans and may people. i don't need an apology from her. they said, this was not directed at you. i said i wouldn't do that. she put her hand out to shake my hand. she shook my hand, said thank you and nothing else. got into a position of children, i do a lot of work with children. said, again, i don't want to discuss anything else. this wasn't directed a you. she put her hand out, shook my hand, said thank you, and we wasn't on our way. >> we can report there was a handshake. >> three no malice. this is, again -- again, this is something that i wouldn't even have brought up until i heard
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the fact that she said that she accepted my apology. and, again, that was their way of just covering up what she had just done, which is a total breach of decor rum in the house of representatives from the speaker of the house or former speaker. >> all right. congressman moreno. go marino. good to see you. the door is open for congresswoman pelosi to come on and tell her side. >> thank you very much. ahead, breaking news on the weather in the atlantic. and in the u.s. the doctors so, your site gave me this "credit report card" thing. can i get my actual credit report... like, the one the bank sees? [ male voice ] sheesh, i feel like i'm being interrogated over here. [ male voice ] she's onto us. dump her. [ pay phone rings ] hello? oh, man. that never gets old. no, it does not. [ female announcer ] not all credit report sites are equal.
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in 4-48 hours, officials stress they have not made a diagnosis and say the man had none of the known risk factors. officials from the cdc tell me there have been similar incidents and all turn out negative but say their warnings appear to be working. here in atlanta, the second american with a confirmed case of ebola is expected to arrive mid day tomorrow. she is a nurse and her husband, david said she's in serious, but stable condition and redeemed some of her appetite. but right now the first patient tried an experimental serum never tried before. sources say it's condition was rapidly going down hill, the ebola rash and beginning to show signs of hemorrhaging.
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he was able to take a shower and then to, as we saw on saturday, walk out of the unit here at the hospital. doctors caution brantly is not out of the hospital just yet. there there is well documented pseu pseudoremission. shannon? >> thank you, john. now, joining us, dr. mark seigel. doctor, great to have you here. i have to ask you about the serum. it's been tested and seemed like it's working. >> the ebola virus shuts down our immune system. we don't make an antibody response ourselves.
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that is why the virus parades around our body, shutting down our organs they put the virus into mice and got it to make antibodies. they took those and have been giving them to monkeys and monkeys have recovered. this is the first time they ever have given the treatment to a human being. it's dramatic. we don't know yet. it's too early to say whether this is going to work or not but the way he walked into the hospital so far, so good with this. >> i know the fda wants to know why a lull when there is a urgent need arc lou something to be used that hasn't been fully tested there are families that ask for it but it seems like this is an urgent case. the agency was moved to let this happen. >> i'm in agreement with this. dr. brantly was over there caring for people. i think we owe to him to do the best we can. plus, we're doing this under
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circumstances where the cdc is overseeing it. to see how the virus works. etc. only isolation situations. >> all right. so, now for once and for all, fact from fiction. if you traveled in one of the countries and have a fever and don't feel good, you're going to go to the hospital and probably feel worried. then people on the plane were you are going to be worried. how is this spread? >> fear takes over you think ebola. you come back, have a fever, and gi symptoms you go to the hospital. the hospital is under obligation to ice sole yat you. sent samples to cdc. my prediction is it going to be negative. this patient in mount sinai, i can't believe he has ebola. the second virus here is fear.
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with gusts up to 100 miles an hour bringing heavy rain to the east coast but the storm is not expected to make landfall. also developing tonight, an atheist group is claiming a, quote, major victory in its effort to get the irs to investigate churches for alleged political speech. this is part of that secret settlement we told you about last week. right now it's unclear how many of these churches will be investigated and even punished. and another question, is it all legal? judge napolitano. all right, judge. they're saying they're not cracking down like they should. the case is going away because they reach add secret settlement. >> before they did that mainline christian church entered the picture and said sue us because we want the court to decide once and for all ministers and priests -- i'm not sure what
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they call themselves in this particular church can talk about public policy from the pulpit. the atheist groups want them to refrain from endorsing candidates but as refrain from discussing politics. that's absolutely inappropriate. they preached secession. the country was advancing ford when they preached abolition from slavery. they have every right to encourage their parishioners, worshippers and congregants to go in whatever direction they suggest and the irs should not be monitored them. >> i talked to one of the guys from religious foundation about doing that. they reached this deal and now they've dismissed the case but without prejudice meaning they can bring it back and they said we're going to watch the irs. if they don't do a good job, we're going reinstitute this lawsuit. in part they say we've received
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information from doj council where they say they now have procedures in place and they're going to act. >> so the irs is going to send agents, federal agents to sit in churches and listen to what priests and ministers say and decide how close to a political line they have come. have they ever heard about the first amendment? congress shall make no law of bridging the freedom of speech. i know the origin, return for the tax exemption they supposedly give up their right. that law is wrong and the irs has no busy going to churches and taking down every word that ministers and priests say and then punishing them if they don't like what they said. that's shade on the other side of the pond. that's not america. >> yeah. that is a little bit frightening. now, what is interesting to me is a number of the churches and pastors are part of a formal event where they preach and they have a date. i think this year is october 5th.
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pull mitt freedom sunday, where they're daring the irs. a lot of them are taping theirer ismans, sending them to the irs and saying come get me. they want to challenge this. they believe they'd win. >> correct. we know why they're doing it. they want the case to go forward because they believe after hobby lobby if it gets to the supreme court it will by a 5-4 majority. like it is for hobby lobby, they will invalidate this 1954 statute introduced by senator lbj which says the irs in exchange for the tax exempt status can clamp down on political speech. it was wrong then. wrong today. unconstitutional then. unconstitutional today. i would welcome the challenge. >> what we've seen is irs doesn't take the bait. is it because they know if this gets into the federal court, supreme court, we're going to lose, so we're not going to go after anybody? >> the supreme court has neff ruled on this and as much as the
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conservative christian grumts want to get there, the irs doesn't want it to get there. i hope it does get there and i can bet they will prevail. >> in the meantime this group has gotten a lot of sway. there's later that talking about some 99 different churches. a lot of folks involved in this lawsuit say they haven't heard anything about it. do they represent. do they know they're being investigated? how does this work? >> i don't know how it's going to work. i read the documents and they don't name the churches where the irs is going to go. and candidly it's part of their gig they're going to say where they're going to show up. they want every priest and minister and rabbis and imams and other religious leaders as well that the irs might be out there in if the congregation and might report them for their words. what is more un-american than that? >> judge, always good to have
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your voice of reason. >> good to see you. it's a pleasure to be in new york, shannon? >> all right. we'v special news now. the special plane is now en route to the u.s. from africa. the patient we've been telling you about nancy writebol is a missionary from north carolina. she's going to be treated at the same hospital in atlanta where an american doctor is already receiving treatment. writebol's son says she's struggling but there seems to be some improvement at this point. she's on her way. up next, armed to fail. a new independent report, finding our military is not equipped to react to global threats. we'll have him live with reaction. why we may soon like why bergdahl may have abandoned you owned your car for four years. you named it brad.
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u.s. army sergeant bowe bergdahl will formally answer questions about his 2009 disappearance in afghanistan this wednesday. an army investigator will handle the questioning in san antonio. bergdahl's attorney will meet with him tonight to prepare and gather information about his disappearance. the army launched an investigation into his
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disappearance shortly after he was released in may. he spent five years with the taliban after allegedly walking off his remote army outpostin afghanistan. h hismates have accused him of walking off and then putting them at rif jook developing tonight, a startling new report on the state of euro mi our our military. >> an independent panel says it's leaving us to weak to respond to global threats. also a fox news contributor. pete, always good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> you have the report in front of you. this was put together by appointees from the opponent gone, congress. it's not partisan. what worries you most? >> to the point, it's not left, it's not right. it's down the middle of the road, independent study to say let's take an independent strategy. what this report found is that our military, our national security apparatus is not able
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to address the threats in the world today. in fact, the indictment is that the obama administration has tried to take a strategy and jam it as opposed to looking at the threats that exist and say how do we build a strategy and craft a budget to meet those threats. this is an indictment of what the administration is trying to do. it's come from clinton employees, former obama staffers, this is not a republican attack. it's an unbiased strategy off the rails. >> you know and i know. we hear these conversations all the time. when you talk about cutting spening in washington, one of the things we hear a lot from them is we have this massive bloated military. if we can't cut there, don't ask to cut anywhere else. we've got to do it with the military. >> what this royal confirms is those on the left understand that you can't balance the books of our national government on the back of the defense department. we're $17 trillion in debt not
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because of our defense spending at this point and it is because of the entitlement programs that have expanded under this administration. we're gutting the military and changing the goals of the military. it indicts them for saying we can't fight and win two wars at the same time anymore. we'll fight to win one more and stay on the defensive on another. this administration guts the military and tries to craft a strategy to fit inside it. the problem is the world is on fire. across the board, something this program highlights very well, now is not the time to be weak in the eyes of the world and we are. >> if we had one issue to manage internationally, that would be one thing. but as you mentioned we've got isis, north korea firing missiles, israel/gaza, which we're not going to be drawn into with troopons the ground but we still have issues in afghanistan and other places. you know, we have a lot of
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obligations. >> you have a lot of obligations. you have ukraine. there's abdicating american leadership by undermining our leadership. we can't be leaders because we have the smallest combat force, the smaeflt navy we've had since world war ii. we're cutting our brigade teams down. we won't have the capability even if we want to because of what this administration has done. >> i'm going to give you a couple of comments from the president. in may his speech add west point, america has been stronger than the rest of the world. later he said our resources are finite. that's true. he says we have to be humble. >> he has sought to make us humble. his goal is to say because our resources are finite and we're not going to spend more on the defense department, we cannot act then. he has deduced a scenario where
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some of those statements are more true than they were six years ago. leading from behind has become this country's national security strategy. it's what this document indicts and what this document is so powerful in doing, it's not a right wing partisan attack. the policy leader in this administration until 2012 signed onto a document that says we are too weak to meet the threats in the world today. that should be scarey to every american right and left and hopefully a wakeup call to change course. >> it's out there. they can check it out themselves. thanks for joining us, pete. >> thank you. a court hearing, sentenced to 127 someddays. is sergeant there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare gets simpler. when frustration and paperwork decrease.
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assassination attempt on jo president ronald reagan has died. he was shot in the head in march of 11. the attack came two months after president reagan took office. a devoted much of his time and energy to fighting violence. the white house briefing room is named for him. former first lady nancy reagan called brady the personification of perseverance and courage. james brady was 73. developing tonight, a u.s. marine appears in court. andrew tahmooressi accidently
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crossed the border with three guns and more than 400 rounds of ammunition, he says. live in tijuana, joining us is william. >> this is where the trial is taking place, here in tijuana, the largest city near baja and five miles away from the largest crossing in the world where he made the mistake of his life by coming into mexico with three guns in his automobile. now, behind this wall is a solid steel gate. why? because they don't want some gunman from this very busy street here, get a cheap shot, some key witness or a high-profile target like tahmooressi so our cameraman got a shot over that and then i was able to come over here and shout
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questions through the steel fence. basically saying, hey, andrew, how are you doing? he said, i'm fine. i tried to get another question in. by then, he was escorted inside followed by other inmates. let me give you a quick wrap of what happened today. there was a violation of his civil rights and evidence should be thrown out. the government attorney says protocol was followed and it was his responsibility not to come into mexico with guns. basically, his attorney says they are stonewalling about that. now, as of today, there was no real winners or losers, no knock-out punch. he left under heavy escort, armed guards and went back to
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his cell about 30 minutes away. we believe he will probably remain there until november when likely the judges, by then, will make a verdict. shannon? >> william, thank you very much for keeping us updated. we'll watch the case. and we'll be right back. first, coming up, on "hannity". >> i used to be a contractor. look at the level of sophistication here. you have these cement walls and blocks. >> all the same size? >> all the same size, all built out. all pieced together. by the way, the construction
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we are getting a lot of reaction from congressman more reno and congresswoman pelosi. use the #kellyfile all as one word. you had a lot to say about that interview tonight. tune in tomorrow night for kelly file exclusive. brooke goldstein is here with stunning new video revealing how palestinian children are being taught at a united nation's summer program. you'll want to join us. also, ambassador john bolton. that's tomorrow night at 9:00. be sure to set your dvr. thanks always for watching "the kelly file".
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we'll see you tomorrow night. again, let us know what you thought about the show with #kellyfile. we look forward to hearing about you about all of our segments tonight. we'll see you tomorrow. welcome to "hannity" tonight. we're in tel aviv reporting from the ground in israel. behind me, by the way, is the iron dome that is protecting the people of israel. tonight, we take you to the front lines of israel's war on terrorism. >> the people are afraid to come outside. my children are afraid. seven missiles landing close to me. >> reporter: i go inside one of the many hamas tunnels under israel. >> look at the level of sophistication here. you've got these cement walls and blocks. by the way, the construction overall, very solid.
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