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>> include mushrooms, mold or mildew. >> i always wear mildew when i want to impress a guy. >> i'm impressed, is it time to kiss yet? reporter: in two hours a sheriff officers expected to hold a news conference of the stars death. he was pronounced dead in northern california. per them the indications are he died of an apparent suicide. seamlessly transitioned from comedy to dramatic role and as he did he won the hearts of several generations while bringing laughter and joy to his fans, he suffered from severe depression. his death is putting the disorder in the spotlight. so sad and tragic. earlier i was saying don't you wish you could have sat in your chair, maybe something you could have done?

>> any number of psychiatrists worth anything are probably saying that to themselves now because those of us who relish the fight because it is a fight, you have to declare war on depression if you're going to win. of course you want somebody on your side who believes there are a lot of arrows in his or her quiver of arrows to do battle. >> it is tough to see people suffer in silence, they don't want to be a burden to their family. open tomorrow or next week is better, they can climb out of it but imagine the dark despair when your brain goes black. >> there is this question of our comedians specifically more played by depression and other people or other stars. >> have treated comedians. anything that offers you the opportunity to dodge and weave around pain can be an asset and

a liability. money can do that because you can get further down a dark path before you cope with your demons you are distracted by a lot of luxuries, so can comedy. he had so many ways, robin williams, to avoid grappling perhaps with the early trauma, loss, et cetera, it would take a skilled person to coax him to say don't get distracted, don't go down that path. stay here with your pain. >> depression overwhelmingly strikes women. a lot of women suffer in silence because they have to take care of their family and finances and often times we are the last ones to take care of our own mental health. you say he was suffering from this debilitating depression disorder, so how easy is it to slip from a mild depression to something like that where you

feel the only alternative is suicide? >> that is a great and troubling question because this is a stealthy opponent, it creeps up on you, it is almost like it defeats your emotional immune system. it convinces you there is no hope and can do it while you are looking the other way. and then it is like i don't think i've done this good job with my business, now my business is crumbling. anybody are around, no, it is not, how did you come to that conclusion? the good news everybody should here is psychiatrists have never been better equipped to defeat depression. everybody can handle it if the weapons are deployed adequately. if it is a real wrestling match to the ground.

>> there is so much that can be done, matter of getting the help, realizing you have a problem because you don't want to start slipping where it is unrecoverable. chevy chase saying we were great friends suffering from the same little-known disease, depressi depression. never thought descending into our lives with him. god bless us all for his life. very open another celebrity coming out a collagen struggle with the disease. >> harken back to the celebrity we are speaking of is somebody who not only understood he had a problem, he embraced roles that would eliminate mental health problems this country. "awakening," "good will hunting" where he played a leadership role to attack the difficulties and challenges with his art, with his talent. how humbling as we search for our own purpose to look at him

and find his purpose somewhat in communicating the debilitating challenges of mental health. one of the questions i had was how hard is it to diagnose bipolar disorder? >> another challenge because there are lot of masquerade her skid suffering from dementia. depression, doing that. still the energies of people say what is it. physical illnesses. >> masking and mental or emotional depression. >> or vice versa. you're not going to get out of it completely. you really have to be with somebody who is an expert in this health care system doesn't really offer people that expertise unless you are extraordinarily lucky. we have seen snaps under the

bridges spanning tens of millions to catch people. wouldn't it be more sensible to say let's rebuild the mental health system rather than build a net under the bridge. >> a lot of people have been so desperately hit by economic problems, the great recession, and people find even when they lose everything, it is difficult almost impossible but they don't lean toward suicide. the fact his career wasn't thriving, he had financial difficulties as well, is there something about being in the spotlight, is there a narcissistic element or something like that pushing people over the edge? >> those of us make any part of our living through on camera activities or performance may be more vulnerable beatin meeting k from the audience, that narcissism. it is like withdrawing a drug for some people provoking for

some people, he have to say where does this need come from, what is it you weren't convinced of unconditional love as a kid. that is the real work of psychiatry. life is a labyrinth, not a maze. keep walking and you will get to it. >> kimberly chaired something with me, you met robin williams. >> very friendly with him, spent a lot of time with him in san francisco, we had an event we hosted together, had to go before him. he was very funny and kind and generous.men and women who serve a broad, he was incredible with the u.s. looking for an opportunity to give back and share his time and his humor the matter what was going on, he took it upon himself to bring happiness and joy and would give so much of himself.

he was carrying the emotion for so many people. >> he talked about suffering with drug abuse, depression. a lot of people weren't, which is part of the burden we face. who wants to raise his or her hand and say i suffer from major depression. it feels like it is. >> he was an avid snowboarder and cyclist as well. it is even more heartbreaking. >> it may not be enough, militants changing tactics that has a pentagon right, plus does the president say messaging problem it comes to a foreign-policy? the differences in his approach infuriating his critics.

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>> you're watching "outnumbered" and we're glad you are. a frightening admission from the pentagon. the current campaign of u.s. airstrikes in iraq with no plans to put american boots on the ground will not weaken the army of radical islamic fighters. what we are doing right now will merely slow them down. they'vif already begun disturbig shift now in their tactics. the militants are now starting to take cover and hide among the local population think it difficult to take them out. this should not come as a shock. taking cover, human shields, so on and so forth. >> that is what war is about, right? we have to acknowledge the small, important impact we are having on eight day to day basis that will hopefully grow larger

in the aggregate because they have been able to save lives and make a difference because before isis was able to move without any kind of hindrance whatsoever they could move large bands equipment and weapons, they were able to easily take over defenseless villagers. now that has come to a stop. but the problem is not solved. we should keep it up so we can eradicate him because they will stop at nothing. we have boots on the ground already. we have to do whatever it takes to be prepared. >> it begins with arming the kurds, arming the moderate ara arabs. just talked to her, pointing out do not underestimate the

capabilities. they are sophisticated, leaders are sophisticated and adamant they are coming here. these people are coming here. what are we doing to protect our homeland? the long-term strategy they do not have for us now. >> they are batman and robin, will they get there from the iraqi army was poorly equipped, or get them from syrian rebels with mark they looted everything

from iraq. >> it has to do with underestimating the enemy. june 29, his senior advisor to the president, cia director. by the goals, strategies and tactics. we will not organize the counterterrorism policies with the delusion that is never going to happen. who just announced their moving to syria and iraq? did we? >> of course there should be boots on the ground, of course there should be. we are the chosen nation. i'm not worried, i think --

>> will we be having a problem years from now? >> fighting this for a long, long time, young people will die, but these people will stop at nothing to stop these allies. >> he didn't think it was going to go this far in the midterm elections because didn't believe he had information because i believe he did. the fact of the matter is that a lot of it was happening be taking place. we had one of them detained. the passports ability to come into western countries like the united states.

>> president obama under the mixed messages on a foreign-policy. the obama administration spent years to arm rebels. the decision that left a huge vacuum which was filled by jihadist. russian and american firepower to arm the kurdish militia. president obama sought out congressional approval to launch airstrikes on the side only to give up on that plan after fierce opposition. there's apparently no need to get the okay from congress. clearly mixed messages coming from the president. >> my one question for the

white house would be because thiwesaw the president speak a e of days ago, are we in need of a fireside chat where he breaks this out and says what you are calling for is the endgame with regards to syria, iraq, with iran now rolling back, we might not get a nuclear deal with them, teaming up now with the russians, i think it is time for him to have one of those let's sit down and talk about it talks. that leaves the rest of us what he might mean and when he will mean it. >> he has no experience in the military. you don't necessarily need to have a taste. to be present but you need people around you with military expertise. who is the person?

he doesn't have a strategy. >> i think he is supremely strategic, he wants to minimize the influence of america around the globe, doing a masterful job that is his sole objective. i can't believe people were so thrown by 9/11 as to elect this person who does not hold our values as his own. how bad could we be. >> most americans agree to foreign-policy is an issue as a foreign-policy approval rating is at record low. >> what could she really run on as secretary of state under the president? >> this does not position us as

strong and globally. changing almost on a daily bas basis. >> constant munication status, odysseus united states is taking a backseat. we don't have the confidence the world that we are used to. why should we accept for our superb military men and women who serve, so you're only as good as your commander in chief. if you have somebody completely against the values of the american people, does not want to be behind the driver's seat, doesn't mind if we are in the backseat, let it be somebody else's problem. it is in direct conflict, he would much rather speak on domestic issues. martha: more people signed up than expected, and now one of the top insurance providers says enrollment is taking a huge

nosedive. is that part of a bigger trend that we could be seeing? plus backlash for criticizing the president's foreign-policy. why some liberals are wincing at 2008 déjà vu calling her simply out of touch.

>> hello, and welcome back. enrollment is shrinking. the president announced 8 million people have signed up for health care under his signature legislation. a few months later that number down. one of the country's largest insurers said it had 720,000 people sign up as of may 20. by the end of june, 600,000 paying customers. they fixed the number to fall around 500,000 by the year's e end. can obamacare survive if the numbers keep dropping like this?

>> can i jump in here? >> sandra, i will go to you. >> i look at these companies inside and out. >> i lost coverage in california because of obamacare. they stopped insuring private customers in california with the passage of obamacare. a huge money loser for them. the very tiny portion their revenue. the ceo has been very outspoken about obamacare. very critical of that to keep that in mind when they released of these numbers. if the question truly is are we going to see more insurers in this country, there is a possibility of that. the obama administration stopped reporting these numbers in may leaving us to speculate.

there is zero transparency for the most transparent administration. >> he cannot control people unless you control them completely. that is well and the game has to be. because when people vote at all, it makes sense for them. this product doesn't make sense for them. if he were to unfettered insurers, 20-year-olds, insure them for $10 per month? go right ahead. >> they are paying dr. that medicare rates so they are dropping out of exchanges. >> what i like about what you say, and apparently walmart does too. whether you have health care or not doctors lose about a $40.

i have their health insurance, the doctors care visit is $4 because they're opening up clinics in walmart. the free clinic answered back. >> isn't that how this country is supposed to be, free market? >> high-five, kimberly. >> smokey suffered with kidney cancer. so he goes to angel memorial hospital and the best of the best. blood products flown in. most people may not do this, i love smokey so much, he surviv survived. that was a humid would have been 200,000. there are not that many paying customers for that. they lowered their prices. >> you need a competitive

environment. get the best options for people out there. that is making it affordable unlike what they have done. >> /back to 2008 with foreign-policy. in many of asking if she is simply out of touch. : president obama's decision to not back syrian rebels early and failure. fanning with israel and taking a tough tone iraq the now some democrats are calling her latest comments code for bush era interventionism. is that bad? a president wants to get involved and make sure you have a presence in the world to make sure terror does not amount to our shores again? >> she is trying to go against as far as we have seen go

against president obama foreign policy by recent criticism. indicating americans do not want to get more involved over there because president obama record low approval rating so very confusing message coming from the american people but at the end of the day just her separating herself from a very unpopular president. >> we can look at those numbers, what about congress? 79% of those polled recently showed they don't approve of how congress is doing things space we have nothing coming from washington, so as he walk away from that is easy for somebody to say what they would do, but i argue again where has heard clinton been there as foreign-policy and other policies? right next to the president.

>> where are the great achievements? where are the great achievements? >> in an interview for her latest book which is a snoozer, she was asked point blank. there was that one time i did those things and those were great. i need more clarification. >> i have a psychological question for you. if this is hillary clinton distancing herself from the president, she was responsible for a lot of the decisions as far as foreign-policy, wouldn't this political maneuver or strategy by her and her team make her appear disloyal? >> for those of us who are listening, there is a cynicism that creeps in with leaders that say i will say what seems to point in the direction of more

votes until somebody says i am a liar. if they say people are buying it, i don't care if it is the truth. i care if i am elected. >> if she is going to run in 2016, she spent anticipate the republican run congress that she will do whatever she can to sound like a republican right now. >> david axelrod wrote this morning don't do stupid stuff in stuff like occupying iraq in the first place which was a tragically bad decision. >> if i am asking rand paul than others to have libertarian pitch to them i am sending flowers to hillary clinton right now because to me she just opened up the door for anybody with not necessarily so left they would

not do anything about what is going on in the world and is sag thank you very much because now i can speak up. i don't know, are we exposing a rift in the democratic party? are we going to see that if she runs? all the cracks in the glass ceiling? >> sounding a little similar, right? >> whatever it is, she should distance herself. those with tasty of the job done believer not and i think she knows obama has not done the job ends does not have what it tak takes. >> we have a lot of business to cover on this show but an important moment. robin williams died yesterday at 63 years of age. so many shocked and deeply saddened by the loss.

premier indications are he died of an apparent suicide. a live report coming up in the next hour. is the musical really

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lunches and are dumping the meals in the garbage or not by school lunch at all. we have had a million kids decide who don't want to eat lunch so now they are going hungry. >> how is that a good idea? what is happening in this country, i would rather have them eat some food, get some caloric intake. you have to feed them and go with some of the things you ate in junior high. >> i am an advocate for healthy parenting and healthy eating, but if i pack kale and blueberries, they are not going to eat it. >> i cannot tax things they will not ease, as parent we cannot project these standards.

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story, online dating is becoming their go to way to find love the new research shows it could be making it tougher despite so many of us are logging on, we are staying single longer. they say it is destroying our ability to flirt in person and find love off-line. others say it helps shy people build confidence when they meet a potential love interest face-to-face. what do you think? >> you know how much i love social media. we are online talking. when it comes to personal relationships. right here. they tease me about it. when it comes to personal relationships, i am not a fan, i will tell you why. you need to do this. when you are on social media you are not doing this.

feel you, looking her eyes, know who you are. i think we are losing the ability to do that as a society. when we have confrontation and difficult things to say to each other we don't do it well or we don't do it at all. we break up online or by twitt twitter. >> we hear success stories all the time of people fighting love and getting married and having a family. >> i think it is a dangerous game in this way. sterilizing relationships. that person is a little bit like a cartoon character, a tv character. they were delivering this information. i guess the question is is that a gain or loss.

when you have the ability to go online and date innumerable people, does it delay you? >> i would never have romantic -- >> longer-term sites are much better. >> i just tweeted out a picture. >> i strongly believe in the social interaction, getting set up with someone, that seems to work very well. >> you have to have that physical connection. >> if we match physical characteristics, that would work as well as a personality test. >> there is an app for that.

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is this an example, dr. keith of our narcistic culture? >> let me see how sandra tastes? >> i can't eat the eye. >> and oh, no, you are burning the toast. oh. i got it here. >> and it took a while here. >> it is like cartoon characters. >> you can so my hair. >> what if you had a long-distance relationship. >> you can eat a lot of. that >> and put it on dry ice. >> i love toast. >> kimberly is fed and now happy. >> thank you, dr. keith for being here. >> we are staying right here for

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