ed: we continue to see a lot of breaking developments out of missouri, we'll see you back here in an hour. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> this is a fox news alert, some breaking developments coming now from missouri. first, as you can see off to the left of your screen there, we are waiting for governor jay nixon and the chief of state police in missouri to step up to those microphones since some ground-shaking information has been made public today. this all has to do with a teenagerring at the center of -- teenager at the center of riots in a small town outside st. louis. we now know from the local police department in ferguson there was a strong-arm robbery shortly been michael brown was shot and killed by a police officer. brown, as we had been reporting, was not armed with a gun. but apparently, there was a description put out, and police were after a suspect. question is, is it possible that, in fact, brown fit that description? this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner, and here

today, kimberly guilfoyle, jedediah by la, kirsten powers, today's hashtag one lucky guy, mike huckabee, and he is "outnumbered." good to have you here. >> thank you. and i am very definitely outnumbered but delighted to be here today. [laughter] >> the timing is great. you've got a governor about to walk to the mics, we have a golf on the couch -- governor on the couch who will get your take on everything. we want to get more on that breaking news. photographs coming from the police report have been released. look at these. allegedly, they show teenager michael brown threatening a store clerk over a pack of cheap cigars. this would have been just before officers got a 911 call about a robbery there. here are the facts. brown was 6-4, about 290 pounds. again, there was a description for someone about that size wearing a red ball cap. police today also naming officer darren wilson, a six-year veteran of the force, as the

offer who responded to that call. mike tobin is live in missouri with the very latest. mike, bring us up to speed. >> reporter: and, harris, keep in mind the information released goes beyond saying -- oops, we've got an earpiece problem. keep in mind the information that was released goes beyond saying michael brown fit the description of someone involved in that, in that strong-arm robbery. the information released according to those incident reports, michael brown was the suspect in that strong-arm rob robbery, and that is complemented by video surveillance that shows michael brown standing over this convenience store owner, considerably, roughing him up a bit. he shoved him out of the way, and this was all in the process of stealing a pack of cigars or a few packs of cigars, swisher sweet cigars, the total value less than $50. it's also interesting to note that with these incident reports an interviewee named johnson was

named. his last name is johnson. so what we've seen here is an identification of michael brown as the suspect, motivation for why he was stopped, and a change of the narrative from the idea that michael brown was just minding his own business when he was gunned down in cold blood. also the development we have today, as you mentioned, is the name of that officer, darren wilson, six-year veteran of the force with so disciplinary problems in his past according to the police chief. also what we got from the chief is a reiteration of what we heard earlier, there was a physical altercation and through the course of that altercation, the officer was injured. and all that led up to the shooting. here's the chief. >> the officer that was involved in the shooting of michael brown was darren wilson. he's been a police officer for six years, has had no, no disciplinary action taken against him. he was treated for injuries which occurred on saturday. >> reporter: and now we expect

to hear from governor jay nixon. we expect to hear from captain ron johnson of the state highway patrol who has received so much accolades for changing the dynamics between the police and the protesters. primarily what they did last night was back off and let the protesters protest to their hearts' content, and he's a local guy. he's from this community. we saw him walking arm in arm with some of the demonstrators, trying to eliminate the idea there's an adversarial relationship between the police and the demonstrators. the first night we made it through without any violation. back to you in new york. >> real quickly, and again, we're awaiting that news conference. as soon as it starts, we'll take it live. i'm curious to know, two things have changed. you've got the state presence there on the streets of ferguson and maybe some restored calm, but now that this news has come out about michael brown being a suspect in a situation there that police were responding to, what has been the local response? >> reporter: well, the local

response, we saw from the crowd of people who have been very active demonstrating outside of the quiktrip convenience store is one of anger, resentment. they immediately came back to the streets, started demonstrating with some of the same old chants, things of that nature. but it changed from the idea that michael brown was just an innocent bystander to one a box of cigars is not worth dying for. you still have excessive force used by the police. it's interesting, the only officer i've had an opportunity to speak with about that is captain ron johnson himself. he would not say excessive force was used primarily because we don't have enough information out of the police. what we really got today was information about what led up to that shooting, and now as i understand the governor's approaching the podium, so let's listen in. you know what? we have a minute or two -- pardon me, as i look back. >> mike, i'm going to stop you there if you'll allow me. >> reporter: what led up to the shootings, we don't know the

facts of the shooting. >> all right. we're waiting for the governor, jay nixon, to walk up here. we have governor huckabee on the couch. if this takes a moment, i want to start to get his perspective. we'll wait until after. let's watch and listen. >> good morning. we just completed an initial security briefing. hello, can you hear me now? i'll talk louder. i can talk loud. they can moderate. okay. we just finished the initial overnight security briefing. i want to thank those folks fur giving that -- for giving that. clearly, as we've seen over the last 18-20 hours we've made progress. work continues to insure both the safety and the freedom of people to assemble and to express their views while respecting property and staying safe. i want to thank all of law enforcement for their work last night and their continuing work today. moving forward, our goal is to make sure we keep the peace while these parallel investigations are going on, get done, continue and justice is

served. as we saw this develop a couple days ago, we worked on a number of things. one of the things i did was to make sure that we were going to get security in a situation here where folks felt secure and willing and able to express their opinions while these important investigations about this horrific tragedy were carried out. in that sense, i ordered the colonel of the highway pat begin both the planning and execution of that. let me turn it over to the colonel who'll go through a couple of small matters and then turn it over to captain johnson for the daily briefing. thank you, colonel. >> thank you, governor, and thank you for your leadership over the past couple of days. the governor called me and -- the governor called me and said that he wanted us to take control of the security situation, and i needed to pick a commander for that job. we have a lot of resources that we can bring to the table, but i can assure you the best resource

that the highway patrol has is its personnel. and the best resource that i could bring to this situation in ferguson, missouri, was captain ron johnson. and i think you've seen the tremendous job that he's already done here in this community over the evening. [applause] thank you. >> all right. we are watching this and, obviously, we have lost a little bit of audio here. we'll keep it up on the screen as we continue to talk because we may be able to get that technology working again. it could be on their end, it could be on our end, we're not quite sure. so with us on camera we've got governor huckabee. and governor nixon didn't talk very long. >> he didn't talk very long, and he didn't say much. i think it's one of those classic cases where he needed to go and sort of frame it as, look, i'm the governor, i've sent some people in here to take this over, and let me introduce

you to them. the real hero in this thing is ron johnson, i guess we're back now. >> yeah, let's watch. >> if i had to consider a commander for this assignment, i had to consider the resources of the highway patrol. certainly, our best resource are our people, and the best resource that i could bring to this situation was captain ron johnson. so i would like to introduce him, for him to update you on the events that occurred last night and what's ahead for today. so, captain johnson? [applause] >> all right, good afternoon. and if you can't hear me, i'll step out into the crowd a little bit. well, i can tell you this -- all right, all right. i'm going to tell you, i'll stand here, but if the crowd can't hear me, i'm going to step out there, and they can tell you what i say. i'm here the -- i'm here to make sure they hear what i say. they can't hear me?

[inaudible conversations] >> all right. so, governor, say what you just said. >> this is a classic case of a person who's not used to working with microphones and doesn't understand that the handful of people standing around that podium represent a handful of people. there are millions at home who can't hear him right now because he's stepped away from the box which is -- here we go. >> he's back. >> i invited them here. this isn't about ron johnson, this isn't about the highway patrol, this isn't about st. louis county, st. louis city, it is about the people that live in our community. when this day's over, a lot of people will be gone. the people behind you will be here, and i'll be here, okay? so i'll answer your questions. last night was a great night. it was a great night. there was no calls for service. we did not deploy tear gas, we did not have any roadblocks, we did not make any arrests. it was a good night.

people were talking, people were inspiring each other, people were getting their voices out, and we were communicating a lot better. and they were communicating better with us. we have many leaders and activists out there yesterday that were helping keep the road open, informing the crowd, and that's what i expect to continue throughout this event. our department along with st. louis county, st. louis city had a great night. myself and chief bellmer went could be to the -- down to the quiktrip yesterday and walked and shook hands and talked to people and promised that we're going to communicate better and we're going to give answers to their needs. and we're going to continue to do that each and every night. you're going to see me walking down -- this morning when i came, the first thing i did before i even came up here and got a briefing from our officers here at the command post, went down there so i could get a briefing from the people that are living in this community, so i could come back and have a

proper conversation here at the command post. >> [inaudible] >> i think the release of the name is what was requested by the community, and they've gotten it. i have not seen the video. i was watching the news this morning when i heard that it came out, but i've not seen that, so it will be hard for me to comment on that. well, i can tell you that today to i will meet with the chief of ferguson and talk about how that was released, try to get a copy or be able to analyze the packet that they have, and this afternoon i will be walking back down the quiktrip, and i will talk to the people there and explain what i see in the packet and some of the questions that may have been unclear in the presentation this morning. i will try to make those clear. but i can tell you our task here is to insure the safety of the

citizens of ferguson, the health of the businesses in ferguson, but also to insure that the people of ferguson have their voice, their right to speech, their right to gather maintained. and that's what we will continue to do. [inaudible conversations] >> is there any concern about security -- [inaudible] >> i have not talked to chief tom jackson. i have not talked to chief tom jackson, and so i am unaware of anything he has in place. [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible]

>> all right. we're going to open our microphones back up and begin to speak because i can't quite all -- hear all of the questions that are going on, but the gist of this, governor, is what you were talking about off camera. look, it's all been said, now we have to hear other people say it. >> ron johnson has handled this brilliantly. the militarization of the police in ferguson brought it to a level that it never should have gotten to. what ron johnson has done is take the mask off, and he's walked out there, and he's become a vulnerable guy walking among the people. think about this, if you're in the community and you're scared and you're frightened and people who are in authority are behind masks and shields and military equipment, it escalates your fear. here's what they're doing, they're coming back, he's walking out there and saying i'm vulnerable too, and it really equalizes it and makes a brilliant, brilliant strategic move. >> let's watch. >> no, it is not. i talked to chief bellmer right now, you see the officers --

last night, and you see the officers right now hand in hand. no, there's not. >> [inaudible] >> i really can't tell you what the timing is because i saw it on the news this morning along with everybody else. [inaudible conversations] >> i can't, i can't answer that. that may have been a question to ask chief jackson this morning. >> more information about like what happened in the car? a lot of people -- [inaudible] >> i can tell you as far as releasing information on the investigation, we are not involved in -- let me answer. we're not involved in that part of the investigation. the governor has tasked us to provide security. he wants to make sure that

people of ferguson are safe and that they have a right to protest and speak their minds. and so that's what he's tasked us to do, and that's why we're here. >> [inaudible] >> talk about just how -- [inaudible] >> you know, yesterday you saw me out there talking, communicating, understanding and respecting. and that's our task. that's what this uniform stands for. when you look at a lot of the mission statements of law enforcement, it talks about respect and service. and so that's, that's number one. i can't speak about the incident there, i wasn't there, and i think it would be unfair to speak on something i don't know about. but the thing that a i do know about is what i will speak to, the questions that i can get

answers to, i will give to you. and i promise you that, and i will continue to do that. [inaudible conversations] >> i would have liked to have been cob -- consulted. [inaudible conversations] >> were you here last night? all right. you're going to see a bunch of smiles, hugs, can conversations, that's what you're going to see from me. [inaudible conversations] >> what? you gotta get down. get down. >> [inaudible] in the community all the time, and i was one of the ones -- [inaudible] i took a lot of -- [inaudible]

with the release of the officer's name -- [inaudible] i find eterly -- utterly disgusting. i don't know how i can go back and say, hey -- [inaudible] official position, what am i supposed to go back and tell the people where i come from? because you're not being truly conversational. i mean, this is like -- [inaudible] this is all figurehead tough. >> well, i can say that's not the case, and i can tell you and i are meeting for the first time. there's going to be a serious conversation when i leave here. when you see me tonight down there, i think you're going to get the tone of my conversation is going the change.

hold on. but i can also tell you this inner anger, we have to make sure that we don't burn down our own house, we don't vandalize our own buildings. we can stand on the sidewalk and we can talk about our issues, we can talk about what we want and what we need in a conversation that needs to happen, and we can make that happen. what i don't want is us to burn our own neighborhood. that does not prove a point. that hurts this community, and that's what i don't want. >> you clarify the fact that -- [inaudible] >> [inaudible] >> you know, you bring up a fine

point, and we may need to talk to the school districts and offer them that we will come in. if i need to go to a school and talk to those kids and give them confidence and let them know i'm just like their parents. i went to the same school. we will reach out to those school districts and principals and superintendents and let them know if they need us to come by and speak to those young children, we will do that. >> [inaudible] gotten together before that effort, do you think this is something -- [inaudible] going to be had so that -- [inaudible] release of the information and act accordingly? >> i guarantee it's going to be a conversation. it's not going to be a

conversation i'm going to have over the phone. [inaudible conversations] >> okay. >> [inaudible] saying this has been a black and white -- [inaudible] i wondered what you thought about -- [inaudible] >> i agree that this is not a black and white issue, was we all -- because we all have sons and daughters. and we do need to to communicate better, because you saw what communication did yesterday. so we do need to communicate better, and we're going to do that. the governor talked about old wounds. this is an old wound. it's time to stop saying this is an old wound and close it for good. >> county prosecutor and the county police release of this

video linked -- [inaudible] >> this release came from the police department and chief tom jackson. [inaudible conversations] >> how do you want to make your own community feel safe and protected around here again? many incidents -- [inaudible] all across the united states. this was -- [inaudible] >> because yesterday we saw what it should be. we saw what it could be. and we saw what it will be. >> how do can you feel about -- [inaudible] officers step over their power -- [inaudible] is that something that you push forward, incidents like that with a young boy's life?

>> i believe in cameras. every missouri patrol car is equipped with cameras. >> i mean, this was an incident that we still don't know what really happened. it's being investigated. even still, i have the feeling that people still feel confused, and they don't know what is happening. they're getting -- [inaudible] they're getting angry then. you have to the kind of break the circle of violence. as you said -- [inaudible] to have a safe community. there must be -- [inaudible] by the police department to make those people feel safe. >> i agree. they're moving towards cameras. and whether they're body cameras or car cameras, i think cameras are important. and cameras are a part of law enforcement, we see them throughout the country. i'm going to do my job the same way if i'm on a camera or not. so having a camera doesn't change the way i perform my job if i'm doing my job right. [inaudible conversations] >> right.

we -- gotta get down. you gotta step down. >> [inaudible] there's a lot of evidence -- before the shooting. why is -- [inaudible] because they don't know -- [inaudible] let's not make this a white and black issue. all over the world, and i'm a father. [inaudible] by his friend -- [inaudible]

>> [inaudible] when i go home tonight to my young son, i can -- [inaudible] that is the bottom line, because a lot of these young --

[inaudible] these things are going way over -- [inaudible] >> i would say that we have outstanding law enforcement officers in our state, both black and white, male and female. are we perfect? no, we're not. but i tell you what, i wake up each day, and i've got a son, and i've got a daughter. and i want them to be able to walk these streets with safety. and i talk about our intent is to make this state safe, our intent is to stand strong and protect all of our citizens in this state and the nation. but our intent means nothing if those are your feelings. that means we need to do a better job. but i can tell you today whenever we walk away from this,

when these cameras are gone, this is our opportunity to show you you can trust us. it shows you that if i do something wrong, another police officer will come up and say, you're wrong, and we need something different. okay? and i told you earlier today i thought that information could have been given out in a different way. i could have said it was perfect. i could have said i would have done it the same way, and i'm not telling you that. but i can tell you the highway patrolmen that are here are outstanding police officers. st. louis county is an outstanding police department. if i have an issue at my own home, i'm going to call st. louis county because i trust them. but we know this isn't a perfect world. you say you have a barbershop. you know every barber isn't good, there's some bad barbers, okay? [laughter] i tell you what, when you go be home and you see your kids tonight, when i got home last night, my daughter says, daddy, were you scared? and i said, just a little bit. and she said, daddy, i want you

to remember when jesus asked peter to walk with him on the water. and she said when peter got scared, jesus picked him up and said, have the faith. and i'm telling you today we need to be just like peter. because i know we're scared, and i know we've fall p, but he's going to pick us up, and he's going to pick this community up. [applause] >> all right. so we have been watching this news conference in ferguson, missouri, and you saw state police officer captain ron johnson who's, basically, taken over, the front face for authorities in this whole thing. and all of the details that have filled out about the story -- spilled out about the story. i want to go first to kimberly guilfoyle because you had some strong comments while this was going on. help us dissect what we know. >> you know what i wish? i wish we could go back in time and handle this differently, and i'm sure all those people that work very hard and serve their state and counties wish the same thing. i think you have someone right now who has good intentions and

has connections within the community. he's not someone who's telling them, he's listening, he is hearing them and understanding and willing to put himself out there to do a better job. that's the sign of a true leader. on the other hand, i think this has been mishandled from the beginning in terms of the miscommunication, the lack of management and control over the message, over the contents, over the facts. why are we hearing almost a week later that this young individual, michael brown, was a suspect in a strong-arm robbery? that is a very serious offense. now, we know there's also videotape that shows reports to be him, looks like him on there and that the officer was responding to that call and injured during the altercation. it changes the game. >> all right. we're going to go back now. governor jay nixon. let's watch. >> and there'll be a lot of tension at various times. i think we need, i mean, you've got parallel processes going on here. you've got this local one and the department of justice. those need to be accurate, they

need to be clear, they need to be thorough, and before conclusions are reached they need to be complete. and i know there's going -- you know, i said certain things should have come out sooner than they did later -- sooner, but that's not the point. we're standing here right now is that new facts are out that weren't out yesterday. but those are not the full picture of anything. those are are some facts that came out. and i'm not saying they're not relevant or important. but we cannot forget -- yeah. yeah. they're facts, you know? they're pieces of information. no, i -- there's been, i think the focal point here remains. from the, you know, to figure out how and why michael brown was killed and to get justice as appropriate in that situation. now, because of the appropriate outpore pouring of -- outpouring of angst about both substance

and the process, what captain jackson and his team are attempting to do -- excuse me, captain johnson -- is to headache sure folks have a chance to get their voice and keep the peace at the same time. that's our focus. >> [inaudible] >> well, i think you saw it. i think everybody saw a clear change of tone and operational activities yesterday, and i'll stand by that. yeah, kevin. >> [inaudible] >> i think there's a lot of steps along the way that are going to cause angst and pressure. that's natural here and appropriate, quite frankly. there's a young man who was

killed, there's an officer involved in that, there are, there's a great deal of energy, appropriate, accurate, real energy. and so i'll, i think we'll look at those guideposts and engage accordingly. but i think, you know, we're hoping to make sure that during this process, this difficult, challenging process that there is focused energy and peace to the businesses and people of this community. [inaudible conversations] >> here and there. >> the protests for -- [inaudible] safety and -- >> i'll leave those questions. the captain and colonel will give their operational -- i just don't know. yeah. >> [inaudible] >> we're focused on our responsibility as we have to. >> [inaudible] >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry.

>> [inaudible] how can you look at these other -- [inaudible] or losing its accreditation? fight amongst each other? he graduated from a -- [inaudible] for the other children that came from the other community that came into this community and caused this uproar -- [inaudible] >> obviously, some of the schools have already started. normandy -- yeah, river view has. normandy opens on monday. i think we've all got a lot of things to do to make sure those children have the opportunity to begin school. how do we deal with these long-range issues? we6 got to be doing a lot on those. that's not a simple question. but making sure we improve the quality and access to education

and provide that opportunity for all our kids, the public schools are the backbone of our state. i do think it's especially challenging here with some of the issues that have arisen. >> okay. so we have heard now from captain ron johnson with the state police in missouri, and now we're hearing for a second time from missouri governor jay nixon. and we are going to come back here on the couch on "outnumbered" and talk a little bit and dissect what we've learned today. it looks almost, governor, you said this, it looks like it's morphed into a town hall meeting. >> well, i think it has. leadership by name is ron johnson. he has exhibited exactly what you want in a leader, calm, articulating the issues, being forthright and honest. if ron johnson had been in charge from the beginning d. >> right. >> we wouldn't even be talking about this from ferguson, missouri, today. >> he was someone who articulated, i think, best not to go out and commit acts of

violence and remember they're all in this together, and they all have to overcome it together, but to never use violence as an answer. i think that was a much-needed statement, and i agree his delivery, that calm approach, a sense that he was connected to the community, that he understood the plight of everyone and all of their emotions and how this is a very heated time. but at the same time, could offer that calm, i think it was pivotal -- >> well, he was approachable. that was one of the keys. >> yes. >> he did not go and put a barrier between himself and the people who were angry. >> even without a microphone at one point, which we were like, okay, there are millions of people standing by, we need to hear what he's saying. there's something at the heart of this, it's out on twitter now because he said it, captain ron johnson, it's not a black or white thing, this is a community that needs to communicate which is what we're talking about. but what have we seen in the last few days? kirsten, you and i talked off camera about it, how this escalated to the point where we saw this huge force in the street. >> uh-huh. well, i think, yeah, i think that's the main issue.

i guess if he had been involved originally, maybe we wouldn't have seen the force. the problem is once that force came on the street, bad things were going to happen because people see that, and i they feel like what is going on? it is kind of shocking to see this, basically, military operation that's supposed to be a police department just completely sends the wrong direction. and i think it's something that is a takeaway that we've also learned that this is a real problem in our country, this militarization of the police forces where they're getting military equipment from our military, and i think people find that frightening. >> but, kimberly, you have a different perspective. >> i do. having worked, you know, for 20 years doing gang cases, been in compton, most dangerous cities in the country, and this is the reality of what the police have to deal with. we have to be understanding and open-minded about both sides. there's a reason why they wear tactical uniforms and equipment. perhaps they've gone too far because it as fuel to the fire, but if you have a police officer

who's a husband, a brother, a relative, you want them to go out without the proper equipment in a situation where people have such anger towards the police department? they have a right to protect themselves as well, especially if we put them in that very difficult, vulnerable task of protecting -- >> the question is whether it would have been volatile had they not done that, do you know what i mean? >> well -- >> as we've seen with captain johnson, they're gathering peacefully when they don't feel threatened. >> yeah. we all can know the facts, and we've seen it in the last few days, governor, there were a lot of people who were waiting for something to happen -- >> not everybody in the streets was protesting about what was going on. >> yeah. violence, looting, robbing -- >> making news this hour, if there's a reason to go back to it in terms of what's happening in missouri that's fresh and new, we will, but for right now, another piece of breaking news to tell you about. it's a very busy friday. this from iraq. the prime minister of iraq is stepping down. airstrikes against isis militants will continue where

needed. we'll get into that. now, one op-ed says the u.s. is at war in iraq. are we?

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fiber one now makes cookies. find them in the cookie aisle. >> fox news alert, and new pictures actually in the form of new video in to fox news now x. this is continuing coverage now of what's been breaking this hour as we've been showing you the news conference out of ferguson, missouri. but they also have released this video, surveillance video from inside store where there was a 911 call to get there, there's a strong-arm robbery. and we see the man to the right there in the red baseball cap. that is who we are being told by authorities they believe is teenager michael brown who would die later that day not with a weapon on him, we're told. shot by police officer darren wilson. that's what we've learned, the name of that police officer today. the circumstances of that still not reported, still not clear. but with our own eyes -- and

there's no audio on this, it's surveillance vid -- but with our own eyes, we can clearly see the man on the center of that video. this is the same video which later on shows that man in that red baseball cap really knocking around store owner. but these are moving pictures. jedediah, you're nodding. >> this is why you don't rush to judgment, right? because this kind of changes the way you look at everything from the information we had at first, and this is why i think the governor repeated that statement of we don't have all of the facts. before you rush to judgment any more than people already have, let's wait for the facts to come out, wait and see if there are any other details that change perception of this with respect to brown and the officer. and i think this is really startling to see now. >> well, i guess -- and part of the problem is because we don't have a lot of the information. but what if this kid was shot in the back, you know? i think that does question of even if he's committed a rob toly and he's -- robbery and he's unarmed, should

he be shot in the back? we're told these things, but they've done an autopsy, they haven't told us what they've found, and i think it would be helpful to know that. >> look how long we're waiting for information, it'll be a week tomorrow. maybe it's not fair because we're not intricate to the actual investigation -- >> or we don't know -- >> but we're part of it. >> people who aren't police officers and they're not prosecutors, and they're not individuals involved in this. and, again, having handled thousands of these cases and reviewing surveillance tapes, they had just released the tape to begin with -- >> interesting. >> -- we wouldn't be having all these problems. it's called a strong-arm robbery, force was used against the store owner, okay? allegedly by the suspect who right now they're saying is michael brown, the 18-year-old. some might call him a teenager, some might call him an adult. you're legally, you're an adult. he's a big individual, and if that officer is involved, hypothetically speaking, suppose the officer was injured in the

altercation. he has a right legally -- i'm telling you this -- to use force. you're saying whether he was shot in the back -- >> we don't know. >> but he was injured during the alter caig -- >> all right, real quickly. and again new tapes. now, this is coming in in bits and pieces, so i just want to tell you as we kind of put this together, you'll continue to see new scenes from the surveillance video. real quickly, governor, i had said we're part of the story as a nation. what's your thought on that? >> well, i think either to kimberly's point, the public has a right to know what their government is doing. now, they don't have a right to every little piece of the investigation, but information is power, and releasing information as they knew it early on could have prevented and at least moderated a lot of the angst and anger in that community. because if people don't know, they assume the worst. >> correct. >> so tell them something, for heaven sakes. and the lack of information that was given to that community is part of reason that that thing

exploded into an absolute disaster. >> all right. so we have now just seen and we can rewind and watch this many times, but clearly the description that went out, 6-4, a large person in a red baseball cap. 6-4, 290 pounds wearing a red baseball cap was the picture that we had of michael brown to begin with. you overlay that tapestry on here x the facts start to come together. kimberly? >> great point, a great point, governor. and as a governor, you'd want those facts to come out so you could try and reduce the threat and risk of violence in your community to protect lives. let's wait for all the information to come out before we rush to judgment. >> amen. >> we've learned that in the past. all right, we're going to be switching gears after this break, coming back to iraq with the latest developments there. stay with us, this is "outnumbered." ♪

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♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." new calls for unity in iraq after the country's prime minister steps down. nouri al-maliki's resignation reviving hopes for a new government that can cake on the isis militants who have overrun large parts of the country. the white house commending the move. it comes after president obama announced success in the mission to help thousands of religious minorities isis had trapped on a mountain in northern iraq.

mr. obama says airstrikes will continue where needed, but there will be no combat troops on the ground. meantime, an op-ed in the l.a. times says we're back in iraq: war. it says, quote: the obama doctrine, which has evolved through painful trial and error, see libya and syria and the united states won't use military force when vital u.s. interests are threatened. but the vital interest exceptions include international terrorism, other threats to u.s. citizens and genocide. all three are present in iraq. lieutenant colonel oliver north says he doesn't understand why president obama is treating the situation in iraq as a humanitarian mission. he says isis is a terrorist army some 15,000 strong and could pose a threat to the united states. >> he made no other commitments except his usual promise that whatever we do, we're going to do it without combat troops on the ground. this is, it's a very difficult thing to understand if we're going to continue to do nothing

but parachute food and water to refugees who have lost everything as they flee for their lives. it makes no sense. >> all right. strong comments from a man in the know, okay? from our colonel north. how do you take it? >> well, look, these decisions are not being made for diplomatic purposes, humanitarian purposes or military purposes. they are making political decisions at the white house, and i have a good feeling that it's valerie jarrett, not the joint chiefs of staff, who are actually deciding what we're doing which is part of the problem. these are are tough times where people are being slaughtered like sheep, and you need a shepherd to stop the wolf. and i'm afraid the president is weighing things on a political level whether he's going to make happy the people on the far left and the answer is, no, he's not going to make them happy. >> well that can's the problem, and i think he got a message, kirsten, from nancy pelosi and other leaders that, listen, if you continue to do this and actually put combat troops on the ground -- which, by the way,

they're already there -- then they would put him to the test to say you've got to get congressional authority to do so. that's when we saw the rhetoric and the pullback about continuing efforts and kind of that false narrative being put out that the yazidis were okay -- >> right. >> -- that they were not in danger or jeopardy which we know is not the case. >> right. yeah, i think the reason he's doing it this way is because he thinks the american people, i think correctly, i don't think it's just the far left, don't want to go back to iraq. but that's not really a good answer -- >> the american people didn't want to get into world war ii either. >> right. and, look, the majority of americans support the airstrike, even 65% of republicans, so clearly americans understand this is a threat, or they wouldn't sport that. i actually said it struck me as more of a political solution because there is no clear strategy where he has identified and said, look, isis is a threat against the united states, and here's my strategy for dealing with them. instead he's said this is a humanitarian mission, and this is to save the americans we have in irbil which we could

evacuate. >> governor huckabee, what do you see as the next step for the united states? we have boots on the ground in the form of military advise e, we're already doing humanitarian aid, what happens next when it comes to iraq? >> under this president, i think as little as he can get by with because he doesn't want a military intervention. the problem is you're dealing not with a group of terrorists who are just going to do occasional strikes and suicide bombs. this is a highly-organized, well-financed, out of the box kind of terrorism effort that wants to take control of on entire country and, ultimately, region and world. it's a cancer. you either cut out the cancer, or it's going to kill you. it's that simple. we're going to kill the cancer, or the cancer's going to kill us. we better make the decision who dies; isis or our freedom to. >> yeah. and you don't trust this president necessarily to carry through. >> why would i? we've had a red line. we're going to do something in

libya? no, we're not. we're going to get to the bottom of benghazi? no, not after all. you lose credibility when you make promises that you never keep, and we sees calculation in iran with the nuclear proliferation, what we don't see is a firm hand saying, no, you're not. >> a great time for presidential leadership, harris. >> kirsten said what we haven't heard from this president is the president saying, well, isis is our enemy. isis is a pinoff group of al-qaeda -- spin-off group of al-qaeda, and they are actually not on the run, and that is a conflict of message. no wonder he doesn't want to say it. >> they're also an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood who we thought would just be wonderful when they took power in -- >> very naive and dangerous and reckless, and that's why i have such a disregard for the way this was handled, because it puts people this jeopardy including those poor, suffering christians up on the mountain. if we had done so many things without u.s. troops on the ground, we could have stopped

this in its tracks including like bombing the transportation routes where they had the trucks, the vans, carrying all the military weapons. shed 'em down right there at the pass. >> it's never too late, though, governor, maybe to do the right thing? >> right. >> is there a date certain where we're beyond that, or can we still -- >> you always have time to do the right thing. you may not have dope it early enough -- don't it early enough, but it's better to do it late than never at all. >> what happens with the next president? what kind of mess do they inherit if this president doesn't -- >> wow. we need an hour. >> that question for monday, jedediah. thank you to governor huckabee, we'll see you back here monday on "outnumbered." "happening now" is right after the break. >> have a good one. ♪ ♪ [music]

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>> right now three developing stories we are following on "happening now". prime minister al- maliki stepping douvenlt the national guard is now patrolling parts of our southern border and polls show what the americans think of the border crisis. and a new analysis show something bigger than the president's sagging popularity could have the biggest impact in november. new details on a fatal shooting that tore a missou