>> this is "outnumbered." today's hashtag one lucky guy, geraldo rivera and he's outnumbered. you got the memo. >> the red. >> yes. >> fox prom or otherwise known as munito. >> i never saw kennedy dress up. >> she looks beautiful, doesn't she? >> that was a compliment. >> whenever you come visit me, i sit behind a desk. down here i wear toulle skirts. >> we're happy to have you here today. as you know, there's a tremendous amount of conflict going on in the world and all of your experience overseas is going to come in real handy for us today. happy to have you because tensions remain high after another night of violence on the streets of ferguson, missouri. despite the presence of the national guard.

police say people were firing guns, looting and throwing molotov cocktails at officers and that 31 people were arrested and at least two people shot but not by officers. police also say many of what they call violent agitators have come from as far as new york and california. president obama sending attorney general eric holder to ferguson tomorrow, the same day prosecutors could begin presenting evidence to a grand jury in the fatal police shooting of a black teenager that has sparked days of protest and violence in the st. louis suburb. the president calling for calm and protestors to respect the law. >> well, i understand the passions and the anger that arise over the death of michael brown. giving in to that anger by looting or carrying guns and even attacking the police only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos.

it undermines rather than advancing justice. >> but syndicated columnist says the president needs to condemn the violence at ferguson more strongly. >> what he should be saying is that it's wrong. we're a democratic society. you don't do that. and i would like to hear him say that rather than saying on the one hand, on the other hand, we really have the law on one hand, rioters on the other one. it isn't a hard choice between them. >> strong words. i want to lean on you with court cases, unrest, protests, civil rights issues and as a lawyer. how do you see this situation? >> well, i see several things. let me take the legal side first, kimberly, if i may. i think that is easier. by eric holder going to ferguson, missouri, by everyone talking of special prosecutors here in the eric garner case, what you have is a distortion of the legal process. there's no doubt in my mind but

that a grand jury will indict the officer in the case of michael brown. it will be political pressure just as it was in trayvon martin. they will be messing with the grand jury system. prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if they want to. they will indict this officer and i'll tell you what will happen. they'll have a trial. white jurors will see it one way and the black jurors another. the white jurors will look at that convenience store surveillance tape. they will see michael brown menacing that clerk. the white jurors will put themselves in the shoes of that clerk. they'll say, of course the officer responded the way he did. he was menaced by a 6' 4", 300 pound kid 10 minutes fresh from a strong armed robbery. the white jurors will put themselves in the white officers' place. the black jurors will see michael brown despite his flaws as the surrogate for every black youngsters. >> you're reaching for the low hanging fruit and i cannot let you do that.

>> let's go. >> i give people more credit than what you're talking about. what you're saying is that the nation is divided, particularly in kind of a micro cosm way. ferguson, missouri is separated black and white. it's not true. you have a lot of things happening in that community. outside of the fact that you've got blacks and whites, you've got an economic situation there that's poor and that is very much a grown issue. you have schools closed. they couldn't even have the first day of school because of unrest on the streets. you've had in some estimations militarization of the police. this is more than a racial issue. for you to pick off the low hanging fruit is offensive and it insights more of it to go on. it's irresponsible. >> kimberly asked me to bring my experience to this chair. i'm speaking to you as a person who has worked in the prosecutor's office, who has been a legal services attorney, a civil rights attorney. i have more than 4 1/2 decades

of experience and i'll tell you what happens here, harris. people see things through the most egregious issue we have domestically which is race. they will choose sides based on race. i see it clear as day and to accuse me of being simplistic defies the reality of american justice. this is the way it happens. this is what will happen here and to intervene, politicians going into a judicial system, there is no doubt that cop will be indicted. there's no doubt -- >> you don't leave any room -- >> and every white juror will say just as the black jurors in the o.j. simpson case, this will be a race -- >> it's been almost 20 years since the o.j. simpson case. >> it's been 10 minutes since george zimmerman. rence betweena police officer. zimmerman and wilson and there's different thresholds for indicting an officer. >> what do you think is going to happen? >> as far as the indictment?

i don't know. i think it would be -- there's so many more facts in the case and i think that that police department has done a horrible job of giving us ballistics from the back seat. they have released pictures of darren wilson's face. there's so much we still don't know and insiders keep talking about justice but we know that's a process. >> here is also the issue. yes, the media is clamoring for the details but the last thing i want to do is promise an investigation. i want it to be full and thorough and make sure they canvass the neighborhoods. perhaps they can come in from convenience stores that might have picked up an angle. that happens to me all the time in cases. >> sometimes when you withhold information -- >> i get it. but they have an obligation to provide us ballistics. >> i think you're short sided on this. >> i didn't sit here to be helpful. i sat here to be truthful. let me tell you one other thing about the 31 people that were arrested. how many really want justice for

michael brown? when you're looting a liquor store, are you really looting the liquor store? that is because these are opportunists. >> he's right about that. >> yeah. they're invaders. >> these are anarchists. >> this is an event that people want to hang on. >> one at a time. >> you start off by giving us your legal perspective and i respect that. then we bring it back to the president's most recent comments. there was no condemnation of the looters, of the stealing, of the gun carrying protestors if you would even call them that. there was no separation of the peaceful protestors from those that are looting and destroying the city. >> and i believe that the president's biggest failing, and i tend to support him far more than most of my colleagues here. i believe the president is in many way undervalued and underrated. but his biggest failing in my

view, aside from not bombing isis sooner than he did, his biggest failing is not assuming the role as father, as surrogate dad for urban faeps. he could and still can, he's a wonderful first lady and she does much more than he. he could still assume that role and say, listen. i understand that families are -- >> he could do more and he could ensure economic prosperity by creating a more business friendly environment. harris hit on it. this isn't necessarily just a racial issue. it is also an economic one. and we just dug up the most recent details in this suburb of st. louis. the unemployment rate for young black males is nearly 50%. do you think that that possibly played a part or exacerbated the problem going on here? >> here is my fear. having covered all of these urban riots from rodney king and newark and all of these, you know, being the person with some experience here, what will happen is i predict, they will

throw federal grants at these urban situations and say, okay. here's money. they'll throw money at this problem and the entitlement programs will do exactly what the entitlement programs have done. they will tend to divide families. there will be more assistance for dependent children, things of that nature. what i want is the president to use whatever federal and state and local justice there is to heal families, give them bonuses for coming back home, create jobs, subsidize employment for the young people, get them into college. a minority person who has the same score as the white person in the country has a better chance of getting into an elite school. >> the fact remains that lawlessness should not be tolerated. it's no excuse. there should be condemnation of illegal actions and i don't think we should tie police officers' hands behind his back and expect them to go out and serve the community, that

they're a bad person. i worked with thousands of police officers over the year and let me tell you, i would be proud to call them many of them my friends. let's wait for the facts and the evidence, see what happens. i hope they get good people to serve on the grand jury impartially and look at the facts, all of the facts and evidence because there's two people that deserve fairness in this and the benefit of the doubt. it's the police officer and i'll see the young man killed. they both deserve justice. a former lapd detective known for the work did he in o.j. jich son case is also weighing in. here is fox news contributor mark furman. >> this officer has some rights, too. part of his job description isn't die on duty. he has absolutely no knowledge of this robbery suspect or this young man that is assaulting him if he has a gun, if he has a knife, if he has any other type of weapon. now he's on his back in the front seat of a police car, battling this individual and now he believes his life is in

danger. >> okay. so that is the detective, former detective mark furman. you have some comments. >> yesterday i said this and i got a lot of response on twitter. we're the greatest country in the world and everybody who faces any sort of criminal indictment or charges is innocent before proven guilty in the court of law. and for justice to be carried out, we have to let justice happen not in a vacuum but aggressively and swiftly in this case. whatever it's going to be. as you said, family members, everybody deserves to know the answers. well, now all of america, let me finish, please, you have two things happening here. eric holder has announced the attorney general, they've now conducted through his office more than 200 interview. people who wouldn't talk with local authorities. you've got more information coming. let's get the facts. let's just get the facts. and, you know, what this gentleman was talking about, mark furman was talking about was just, look. he's innocent until we find

otherwise and that's true for anybody in this country. >> mark gives you the cop/white person take on it. >> you're obsessed with this. >> how do you get fair and impartial justice? harris, here you have the attorney general of the united states of america intervening in a criminal case. >> should he? >> so here's -- >> are you saying he shouldn't be? >> how can you expect a normal, ordinary, reasonable prosecution of this cop or, you know, presentation of the facts and circumstances of the evidence in this case when you have the number one -- how often has the attorney general of the united states imposed himself on a case like this? this is like godzilla coming to town. every one of those fed $ going to be absolutely, oh, my god. here is ir -- eric holder. >> people in town could not

deliver on hope of just is. they said we'll hand over the investigation. it went to state, to the f.b.i. the third arm that's come in now, via the president getting involved in this, is the attorney general. now the president has said, he certainlily will not go to ferguson, missouri. >> thank goodness. >> butter -- but eric holder is going. >> he has no business being there. let's be honest. >> what if your child is shot who is unarmed and in a conflict with a police officer, is killed -- >> you won't see eric holder there. >> that's an excellent question. >> you won't see him in chicago after a weekend's worth of violence, either. think of politics. >> even given that, like you can still strive for justice. like even if the investigation has been marred, even if the protests have been marred and fanned by activism and non sense, you can still from this point forward aim for justice and aim for calm. i don't know when that is going

to happen because i think there's so many yahoos jumping into the conflict. >> i just think that -- >> is that me? >> i just sense a little bit of hypocrisy from you. mark furman is saying based on my experience, i have no first hand knowledge of the situation but based on experience, this is what he saw as happening and why it happened and you sort of just did the same thing for us, even though harris took issue with it. >> i'm not exactly sure what the point is there. if you believe those grand jurors are not going to filter everything they hear from the witnesses through their own racial perspective and their only bundle of personal experiences, you're being naive. >> is that the only metric you have? >> that is the most compelling, single fact in this case that it was white on black. that is the most important fact in this case. it is skewing everybody's take on what happened. >> all right. that is your take based on experience, life experience, otherwise. >> i've been all beat up for

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smoozing. this is not something that he loves. he wasn't that kind of senator. >> ouch. >> my goodness gracious. i was reading research this morning. have you heard of the sunlight foundation? they look at transparency in government. it's true that unpopular presidents, those that have disapproval rating of 50% or above still get invited to fundraisers but you notice fewer and fewer cameras at them. those that invite the president want the cash. they just don't want the company. >> they don't want to be tied to the president. >> sunlight has been keeping score of how many events that have been closed door to the media and there have been 19 -- >> she's getting to the peak. >> there have been more than -- that's okay. well, at least he was sweet for a minute. there have been more than 19 closed door fundraisers since the beginning of the year. so it's interesting. and most of them in the last month or so so the politicians

want the money. they want the cash but maybe not the company. >> he is still a super star. he can reach people's hearts with hope. >> did you see what senator mansion had to say about him, the democrat from west virginiv? maybe if something wasn't working, you would say, what can i do better? you haven't heard that from this president. when the reporter went on to ask him to characterize his relationship with the president, his response was it's fairly non existent. >> that is lame duck status. number one. i'll let you take this but i said this before and i'll say it again. the president, i don't know if he's in the throes of a depression, i don't know if he's going through mano-pause but he looks so disengaged. >> before i almost rudely interrupted harris, what i was going to say is who wants to hang out with legislators? who are they? >> hang out with harry reid? >> senators used to be the most

exclusive club on earth. >> what if it's your job? >> congress now is so disfunctional and ineffectual. better that he talk with the lobbying groups that get things done. congress is a zero. senator who used to be the power broker now, mitch mc connell can't break his way across the street. >> that's your job. lead. he's not the commander of chief. he's the head of his party. >> we don't have -- we have an executive and -- >> save your energy. we've got to do the puerto rican parade later. okay. so what i was going to say is i think it's not wise whether or not polls and people think that congress is in effectual to not build bridges because i think he'll be in a world of trouble if the predictions come true, come to fruition and in fact, the republicans are going to take the senate, okay? so then what is he going to do? he's really not going to have

anybody to reach out to because he's pretty much ignored everybody and a lot of democrats as well on both sides. so he doesn't have any coalition building. what's he going to do then? then harry reid is not going to do the grand stand that he does to take cover. >> and the koch brothers. the "new york times," when they talked about the meeting and harry reid was like, mitch mc connell won't talk to me and he's swapping appointments and the president completely blew off harry reid because he's a piece of wet toast and he's obsessed with koch brothers but what's worse? a congress divided or a republican congress that the president is at odds with? >> a bridge needs two towers. when you have a tower and have a limp piece of wet toast, you can't build a bridge. >> body language is changing a bit. >> i'm more retreating now. >> he really is.

oh, sweetie. >> thank you for the hand that . >> we love you. >> sandra busted my chops. i take my boat to work in the summer and i had my black shoes on last time. >> am i the only one that caught that? i take my boat to work? >> did you catch it? >> how nice is that? >> he rolls like that. >> i'm going to call you j.g. >> whatever. >> i'm like what's that stand for? kennedy, do something. >> i'm going to do this right now and quick. >> i like your shoes. >> that's so kind. i was in the middle of a sentence. >> sorry. >> i'll tell you what i tell my girls. that's not okay. >> moving on -- >> goodness gracious. >> all right. the police department's response

to protests in ferguson has many questioning if local police forces are becoming too militarized, including president obama and look at those kids. so adorable but so expensive. my goodness. the startling cost of raising a child.

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the president says he's willing to look at it. >> i think it's go ahead for us to review for you the funding has gone, how local law enforcement has used grant dollars to make sure that what they're purchasing is stuff that they actually need because there is a big difference between our military and our local law enforcement and we don't want the lines blurred. >> sandra, i want to go to you first. we've been watching social media and the response of people saying it looks odd to see tanks on the street. >> we don't want the lines blurred. the president is absolutely right. but there's a very fine line happening in ferguson right now. as to whether or not more equipment should be sent there, hey, whatever they need. whatever this town needs to defend from these protests,

violent protests continuing and then the discussion of putting cameras on the policemen and actually, you know, the cost is huge. it wasn't until today that i actually saw the cost of one of these cameras to mount them on the shoulder and everything. $800 to $1,000 apiece. you're talking about for 100 officers, the cost of about $100,000. i don't think you can put a price on saving an officer's life is this is something that would be effective and seeing everything that occurs in a situation like this and could have potentially saved someone's life or this policeman who could have been defending itself. >> what you're talking about is potentially what i've talked about as a tipping point. are we to the point where more military hype equipment might be used on a situation in ferguson because it's needed but then comes the question, the chicken and the egg. did we get to where we are now because of militarization? >> absolutely. if you have a police force that

looks more like a military, you're not talking about peace keepers. you're talking about soldiers who are naturally at odds with the people they're meant to protect and do you feel relief or fear when you see a tank or armored vehicle going down the street? dash cams not only protect police officers but lower the amount of complaints against police officers and lowers police violence. >> by 60% in some surveys. >> i worry about my brother who is a retired police officer and i have family in law enforcement. i think it's much more beneficial to spend the money on dash cams that armored vehicles, the people that you want in law enforcement, hopefully they won't be hindered or turned away if dash cams become a bigger part. >> i want to ask you about this criticism. we could have taken the same equipment and given it to the kurds to help them fight off isis. is that fair? >> mrs. obama meddling again,

always rushing in the wrong places to get involved. i'm so over them. i don't think they help. why doesn't he do something that's honorable that seems clear cut? in terms of the police, they have every right to be able to defend themselves and to protect themselves and to be able to leave their house in the morning, knowing that they have the appropriate and best equipment out there. we've asked them to do a really difficult job so i'm not going to like second-guess that that's what they feel they need, don't go out and commit crimes. don't go out and -- >> you can second-guess them. that's what we do. >> democratic society, you can second-guess. absolutely. that's our job. >> having worked with a prosecutor and worked in the gang areas and been on the officer involved shooting teams, worked all the gang units, had a -- from all of this stuff, i know. i went on ride alongs. i've been out on the streets and i've worked in east l.a. in compton, hawthorne, inglewood

and all of these places, some of the most dangerous cities in the united states. what i'm telling you is imagine if they didn't have some of this protection. maybe it would have been -- >> by the way, you don't need tanks. >> i'm talking about gang crime. >> i agree with kennedy. >> am i saying for one minute we need tanks? that's not what i'm talking about. >> when you're talking about militarization. >> thank you, sandra. i'm talking about proper police equipment which includes uniforms and protection, like important bulletproof vests. i am talking about all of it. a lot of that -- >> you're framing it that way and that's fine. >> my last assignment in iraq, my 11th, was the last patrol out. we had all of that armor there and i said, what the hell are they going to do with all of this stuff?

what they have done is to use it and they're making money with these grants and all of this other stuff, doing all of this rigging of the taxes and everything else. an urban police force doesn't need an m wrap and if you have the sophisticated military equipment, you should have the same training we give the gi's. when you have a cop that gets a new toy without proper instruction -- i'm not talking about elite swat teams. they get these grants, there's no requirement. they should have special -- you have to have a driver's license to drive a truck. he should have a special training certificate when you get the military hardware. >> do you know for a fact they're not getting the training? >> i know absolutely for a fact that ferguson, missouri did not send the people using the armored equipment to any kind of armored military school. i know that for a fact. >> i'm going to stop you there.

i do think it's interesting that egypt ace foreign minister is weighing in and criticizing what's happening in ferguson using some of the same language the white house used against the protests that they had in cairo when they were trying to push out the muslim brotherhood. so this is getting people around the world to at least look at us and maybe point a fininger of hypocrisy. it's kind of interesting. it's part of the conversation. no doubt we will revisit it. this story continues and we'll cover it. israel is retaliating for rocket fire from gaza again with a series of air strikes now. this after an israeli military spokesperson claims hamas violated the cease fire. we'll have the latest from the region. stay with us. you're driving along,

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a government report finding housing makes up 30% of the total cost for middle income families but those living in the northeast spending more than those in the south. child care and early education account for 18% and food, 16% of the total cost. guys, these numbers continue to grow and again, this is not even college tuition that we're talking about yet. this is a big thing for american families to deal with. >> these irrational midgets are just money pits. >> that's why i'm still working. i think that's low. >> but that's over 20 years. >> does it include the wedding of your daughter? >> interesting. >> before they become adults but for this generation, coming generation, what is adulthood? they call it the boomerang generation. after college they move right back in with mom and dad. >> what's also interesting is if you have geraldo, three or more children, it becomes less expensive to raise those

children later on. of course, because you end up buying food in bulk, passing down toys and clothes. >> and my aunt anna came to visit my mom who is living with me for the summer. they were two of 17 children. i did say 17. they were on a sugar plantation so each kid would work so it was another source of income but they should put a price tag on children these days as well. you want to have two kids? okay. this is what it's going to cost you. aside from all the emotional investment that you make, that you have to make and that's the real investment that you do make in your children, the fact that they are expensive should be known to everybody. >> so if you wonder what it was like for your parents, grandparents, 53 years ago, harris, it cost far less to raise a child. $25,000 to raise a child to the age of 18. today's adjusted for inflation, that's less than $200,000. >> we've become the great

consumption society, too. there's so much more stuff to buy your kids now. two things jump out at me, though. one is food and correct me if i'm wrong, is not rolled into the index in the cost of living. right? you can't even count that which is really sad and make mez wonder how many people are going without? you know not everybody can spend $245,000 on their kids. >> certainly a lot of those families are getting help from the government. >> of course they are because you don't want to leave children out. they need to have education, they need to have proper medical care and treatments so then it becomes a more global issue and a larger responsibility of the community, of the government and can we continue to support those burgeoning costs? that's the issue. you have people to be responsible and can't afford one child. >> 48 million people on snap along. >> minimum wage has to be raised. >> there you go. >> raise minimum wage. >> small businesses can shut down and then we suffer.

>> we're not using this for a platform of that discussion. s.u.v. crashes into a packed pizzeria in the middle of the afternoon while children were in there eating. what we're learning about the victims of that and who was in the car. surprising number of people who are saying they regret getting divorced. and why that may be.

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>> more oh -- "outnumbered". >> hamas rockets fires rockets into israel. rick is live from the region next hour. plus a fire forcing thousands of folks from their homes near yosemite national park. the fire has burned through nearly two square miles and already destroyed several structures. we'll have the details. a new report from the associated press about security on health care.gov. what the white house won't tell the a.p. or you and is obamacare fading in the midterms? >> we'll watching. thank you. >> i'm obviously outnumbered and loving it. now, though, it's my turn with this story.

to divorce or not to divorce? a survey showing that at least half the people who have untied the knot actually wished their marriage had not ended. some of the top reasons for regret, people missing their ex-partner, still being in love with your ex, feeling lonely, ex-partners finding someone new. gets the whole jealous thing going. this is the real one, the impact of divorce on the couple's children. now, kimberly, that's the toughest one for us in our experience. however rough it was for the children. >> yeah. i think there's a great way to do it. if you really effectively c co-parent, i do it very well with my ex-husband eric and our guy is fantastic. we're a great family unit still and the way we've been able to work it out. if you put your ego aside and don't make it about you battling with your ex and always put the child's best interest first, just keep reminding you of that. >> you don't miss your stuff? you don't miss being like you were then?

>> how do you make that assumption? >> that was a purely statistical -- that's a purely statistical question. >> it's on your list whether they write it down or not. >> that was rude. >> we actually have more money now. >> tell him. >> do it. >> i have a house in the hamptons and an apartment in the city. fire that right back at him. >> the vast majority of women after divorce -- >> do i regret not divorcing you? yeah. >> wait a minute. >> a lot of people are competing. i'm happily married, thank good. saving money. >> does it ring true? >> one conversation. wait. >> you never heard a bad -- >> they love geraldo. >> they're silent. >> you get a lot of mutually held property and you leave it

behind. you gave her everything but the boat. >> you walked all over it with your black soled shoes. >> i've had a rough day today. >> that's okay. i want to ask you, you look at the survey and is there like a twinge of -- >> sappy and emotional. >> of course. >> of course die and i like people have those real and honest emotions and they're willing to share them in surveys so others can learn. maybe it is. i think there's a lot of really good people out there that enter into marriages and relationships with the highest of expectations and the biggest of hopes and dreams and geraldo and i know despite your best intentions and all your prayers at night and when you wake up in the morning, things sometimes just don't work out, aren't meant to be. maybe that makes another opportunity for you.

>> that sounds like a yoga position. >> i know. i'm kidding. >> the key to a happy divorce is to remember what you loved about the person you are divorcing as you're going through the process. >> but then you wouldn't be getting a divorce. >> bring love to it rather than hatred or confrontation that soothes the way. >> sounds very idealistic. >> with your spicy temper -- >> no. i don't have a temper with that. i channel my passion in a more positive way. >> he saves it for me. >> yeah, baby. >> i like unconscious coupling. >> no. that sounds awful. >> think about that for a second. >> sounds like engineering. >> do you know what i loved about what kimberly said? it's a reflection of what a great mother she is. putting everything else aside and putting your child first. i see you do that and it's remarkable and i want to grow up and be like you. >> thank you, harris. >> if ever faced in the same situation, i would hope i would make the same choices. >> next time you go to the

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your political party in every way possible inclouding

the grocery store. the bar code of the product and you will get a break down made bite ceo and company and employees and giving you an idea if the company swings left or right. harris, are you with me? >> i am with you. >> that is your blitz. you are so obsessed. harris, there is time left in the show. >> this app is interesting as to whether you knew somebody with an opposite party and you would want to date them? >> oh, it is not. >> i don't know if i like it or not but it makes sense to me. people have politics weighing in their personal lives. >> it is a dreadful idea. >> enterprise is enterprise and

politics is politics. that's why i hate boycotts. >> i will give business if they give the best quality and price. i don't want care what they do. >> what about the libertarian. >> there is no app for libertarians and independent. >> free market calls for you to do one. why don't you go shopping and buy that. >> did you know that nfl tickets there is a certain amount that goes to a political parties when you buy it. i don't know if it is disclosed which party the money is going to. this is rapped how we do commerce in this country anyway. >> you buy, you want to do business with the koek brothers. >> why are we hating on people. >> like that chick- fil- a.

>> and the hobbyhorse. >> and papa john pizza. >> and you can choose because you don't like the political affiliations. that is all right. >> you limit your choices and that is not living in a free country. >> and makes the country more and more divided and dysfunctional. and instead of narrowing themselves. >> i love everybody. i love everybody. >> and i found a new app i like. >> tell me about it. >> it is one that keeps mosquitoes away. >> it fights malaria and west nile virus. >> the best one is if you sit next to me. no mosquitoes will bite you, they will eat me alive. >> and sandra smith's app.

>> we are out of time. we'll stay right here for outnumbered. >> click on the overtime. what the (bleep) >> anybody in the post has to understand that there is a dangerous dynamic in the night. it allows a small number of violent agitators to hide in the crowd and attempt to create chaos. >> i understand the passions and the anger that a rise over the death of michael brown. giving in to that anger by looting or carrying guns or attacking the police only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos and underminds rather than advancing justice. >> a community on edge. >> ferguson, missouri, rocked by another