molly: but he also decided to log on, check his facebook account and then forgot to to log back off. police arrested him a day later. jon: i guess they got his fingerprints off the keyboard too. [laughter] we'll see you back here in one hour, "knockout -- "outnumbered" starts now. ♪ >> this is "outnumbered," and i'm kimberly guilfoyle. here today, sandra smith, jedediah bee la, and today's hashtag one lucky guy, dr. keith ablow, and he is outnumbered -- perhaps by the world, dr. keith. [laughter] >> i sometimes get that feeling. >> let me say you kind of stepped in it last time, right? you heard comments about -- >> i did? >> we're going to get back into that. >> don't worry, nobody noticed. >> i know. it was a whisper. >> but we're going to get to the news for now because the united states is ramping up airstrikes in iraq and considering sending up to 300 more troops as

disturbing new details emerge on the beheading of american journalist james foley. the obama administration is now revealing a team tried and failed to rescue foley and other hostages this summer. critics are saying the existence of that mission should have been kept quiet. >> i think this is a stunning breach of security for the united states, obviously ordered by the white house. i cannot conceive of the pentagon releasing this on their own. this is exactly the sort of thing that should remain completely confidential for 50 years. >> but the administration says they only announced the failed mission because a number of media outlets were preparing to report on it, giving them no choice. meantime, we're told foley was one of at least three americans held by isis, and they're threating to kill another journalist. catherine herridge is live from washington, she joins us now. hi, catherine, it's kimberly. a lot of emotions running high on this, and it seems like

perhaps a little bit of bounceback from the white house the say, look, we did try. >> reporter: well, that's right. u.s. intelligence officials have said privately that operating in iraq and syria is extremely difficult. eric holder confirmed this morning that the administration is pursuing a traditional law enforcement model to bring foley's kidnappers and killers to justice. >> the justice department is actively pursuing justice in this case. we have an open criminal investigation. and those who would perpetrate such acts need to understand something. this justice department, this department of defense, this nation, we have long memories, and our reach is very wide. >> reporter: at that same news conference holder did not rule out t the use of lethal force, specifically targeted killings via drones for the jihadists who held foley as well as two other americans who were the focus of that rescue attempt early in the summer. >> we will not forget what happened, and people will be held accountable one way or the

other. >> reporter: also today a journalist who was held with foley and released last april told french tv that isis found out about foley's brother and that he was in the air force, and as a result, foley was singled out for mock executions. and in one gruesome episode he was asked to pose as if he was going to be crucified. also this morning as you mentioned there is strong pushback against the administering's decision for releasing details of the failed rescue attempt in syria. those who have work inside the special operations community tell me it may make it harder to go back into syria in the future and make direct retaliation against the other americans still being held. one former member of the special operations community said the flip side sends a message the u.s. government will come for its citizens and that counters the benghazi narrative. kimberly? >> okay, catherine. well, that's a lot of information. not quite certain, though, why eric holder is making those

comments. as a former prosecutor, i don't see it very feasible that they're going to find that individual or those individuals responsible. what, bring them back to the united states and prosecute them and try them in a court here? that's, to me, doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, that he's the one making these comments. i don't know, it seems like kind of a very large extension of his role. >> reporter: well, i don't -- i can't speak for why he made that decision this morning. he was taking a series of questions, but i can tell you, kimberly, we had our first hint at the state department briefing yesterday that the administration was going to pursue this very traditional law enforcement model to go after the killers of jim foley. that's significant because that has been the strategying of this administration. they have been consistent. what we've seen in the benghazi terrorist attack is that it took about 18 months to brick one of the -- bring one of the suspects back to washington, d.c., and what we've been told by sources who could not speak on the record is that there may be significant issues with the evidence in that case and whether it will be admissible in a d.c. federal court.

so to apply the same syria, how does one get an fbi team, how do they a gather evidence from a crime scene -- >> exactly. >> reporter: obvious questions. >> right, exactly. >> hey, catherine, this is sandra smith here. by the way, we just have in that the fbi director comey is saying the u.s. will bring its full force against these savages. general jack keane this morning was commenting on the airstrikes and how we have seen incremental airstrikes by the united states. he's saying that we need to step these up, that it's not enough. in fact, john mccain said we need to step them up twentyfold. what are you hearing along those lines as far as our attack and our -- well, the much-needed and wanted comprehensive strategy overall against isis? >> reporter: well, it really divides, sandra, into two positions. one is that we're going to continue to go down this road of these sort of consistent airstrikes. this is what the president has

said again this week. and the second is that they need a more comprehensive strategy to deal with isis. based on my reporting in the ic or the intelligence community, what you hear are repeopledly is that this is not -- repeatedly is this is not a problem that can be solved just by kinetic or military action. what we have here with isis is really a battle of ideas, that it's much larger than that. and i think when we look at the timing on the release of this information about the rescue mission, one has to question whether the administration may have additional information now about one of the americans who was held, so the love, the isis members were very specific about what the action was they would take if the airstrikes continued. and if there's one thing that's true about isis, they are very consistent. they do what they say they will do. in the case of foley, they told the family a week ago, in essence, that he was going to be killed, and then the video

popped up. let's hope that's not the case with the remaining americans, but that has certainly been the strategy of isis. >> katherine catherine herridgek forward to hearing from are you throughout the day on fox news. harris, a lot of information -- >> yeah. >> -- contained, you know, within that report and that briefing. >> you asked the right question. really, really? we're going to bring them back and prosecute them here? you mentioned the fbi director comey, he goes on to say i'm very, very, very sorry to say that these savages have turned it into a homicide investigation. no. no. this is an act of war, from what i'm reading, from the generals i've interviewed. and then there's this: two defense department officials say that they have asked and cannot believe the details that have been given out through the obama administration about this attempted rescue mission. whatever happened to "no comment"? the administration does that all the time. >> you're right.

those kind of details should never be released. it could compromise future operations as well. >> well, the next operation to go in and get the other journalists in harm's way. not just future operations, the very next one down the line. >> i'm trying to think of what kind of reason could possibly exist why they would do that. was it to look more proactive? >> yes. >> like we wanted to look like we were involved? >> doing something. >> and yet you have to consider that is potentially worth risking our future involvement in that region and our future position of power. we've now let them know that we engaged in a failed mission, and we let them know exactly how we went about it. >> no, we let them know how we failed. >> yeah, exactly. >> that's the problem. >> so is barack obama willing to do that in order to seem to be politically engaged in this? if so, that's a dangerous position for this president to take. >> i think the answer is, yes. >> and i think that the president, obviously attorney general holder, they don't have it in mind that we are at war. >> there's a disconnect. >> this is a criminal act.

well, you release this information. good politically for them, they may feel, and it's -- we're not in that situation where you would manage information as strictly as though we were at war. holder misses the point psychologically, i can tell -- i would tell him that if he were here. these people don't care if we have long memories. they're thinking hundreds or thousands of years for them to achieve their religious views and dominate the planet. they don't care that eric holder has a long memory. >> they're probably halving about it, because if anybody looks jv, it's eric holder and the administration because what kind of response is that? these guys at isis aren't hanging out at the local starbucks waiting the get picked up. it is so tone deaf and so completely irresponsible that it's frightening. >> well, and, you know, having worked certain investigations, i've been told as a member of the media -- sandra, i'm sure you've heard this too -- the authorities will say, look, i can't give you everything right now. if you'll hang out --

>> bottom line -- >> we'll let you be maybe on a behind-the-scenes, off the record note while we carry out this next mission which might rescue somebody, we'll give you the video, we'll do whatever. >> so what we're getting at is that this messes up the possibility of saving other hostages or rescuing ore hostages. at the end of the day, we decided this was political in nature. i go back to some comments by john mccain this morning, every white house is political. this is the most political white house he says he has ever seen in his history. that being said, we turn now to what happens here at home. dick cheney, former vice president, was on fox news last night warning about the next thing is a large terror attack on u.s. soil. warning that they're coming here. we have to go there. but yet we still have a president, kimberly, that's talking about containment. >> uh-huh. >> and that is, that is the key issue right now. and that's what has everybody scared here. >> that's a big problem.

i'm actually very concerned. usually i think, okay, there's people in charge that might be actually moving on target and understanding the expansion and the nature of the job that we have to do. contain what? >> well -- >> they're going to make sure that they continue going forward, because change the name tomorrow. >> the president's main containment mission since he's taken office is containing the united states from the apology tour to his wife saying she's never been proud of this country to eric holder going to a community and saying, hey, listen, i understand, i was besieged by police too. all of this is about dialing back american presence around the world. >> right. >> that's what they're up so to. and this is the result. this is a direct result. >> no surprise. >> can you believe that if we're nicing to those people they're somehow going to leave us alone? that's not how terrorism works. he still hasn't gotten the message. >> it's not a third grade sand box situation. >> no, it's not. >> if the president seems not to like the american people, that doesn't help others around the

globe moderate their views. >> you get a lot of e-mails, don't you? [laughter] >> you're going to get some more today, let me tell you. all right, growing criticism of president obama returning to the golf course just after condemning the beheading of american journalist james foley. this as britain's prime minister cut his vacation short to address the terror threat. plus, michael brown supporters demanding the ferguson prosecutor recuse himself from the case saying they suspect him of bias. and right after the show -- >> uh-huh. >> uh-huh. >> more from the cast on the web. join us for our "outnumbered" overtime, foxnews.com/outnumbered and click on the overtime tab. tweet us your questions, comments and tell us what topic you want to hear more about. harris will answer. [laughter] (vo) rush hour around here starts at 6:30 a.m. - on the nose.

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allegedly came at wilson during their confrontation, badly beating him, and we have heard reports of injuries that occurred for officer wilson. meanwhile, attorney general eric holder is back from his trip to ferguson where he met with investigators, community leaders and the brown family. he spoke earlier about his visit. >> the national outcry we have seen speaks to a sense of mistrust and mutual suspicion that can take hold in the relationship between law enforcement and certain communities. i wanted the people of ferguson to know that i personally understood that mistrust. i wanted them to know that while so much else may be uncertain, this attorney general and this department of justice stands with the people of ferguson. >> there are also growing demands for the removal of the ferguson prosecutor, bob mccullough, from this case given his close ties to police. his father was a policeman, so i've read, and his ties to the police department there. people are concerned about that. however, governor can jay nixon has said he's not going to do that, he's going to leave him

right where he is. in fact, you know what, kimberly? i want to start with you on the legal side of this case and particularly with this prosecutor. what are your thoughts on that matter? >> i find it appalling that they would make this kind of, you know, assumption that he is unfit to be able to fulfill his oath that he takes. this is his job. we raise our right hand, we take an oath to follow the law, to not put personal opinion, bias, feelings, past experiences, family experience in the courtroom, at the desk or when you open the file. i assume that he would be able to do his job and do it very well and do it fairly. there's nothing in this prosecutor's record to suggest any form of bias whatsoever. why would we be guilty of what other people are are always complaining about, being prejudiced or prejudging in this situation? >> jedediah, where do you think we are on all this? we're hearing about people coming from other communities and showing up on the streets of ferguson, and a lot of the

violence has been via those actors that have nothing to do with the original -- can i mean, it's been 12 days since the original shooting. >> and it's sad, because it has tainted the image of the community, and many members of the community have been nonviolent, and they're saying people are coming from the outside and they're giving our community a reputation. i'm glad the violence was not as bad last night. and in response to what kimberly said, i have to say i agree. who's to say that many prosecutors are going to have relationships with law enforcement? we can't just say something about his character that all of a sudden just because he may have ties to law enforcement or otherwise that he may be unfit to have noble character in this. that's maligning his character. >> he does have a past, he has a history in terms of a couple of cases that he has handled where there were questions about him, and kimberly talked about that. i would think, though, with all eyes on you there would be added pressure for you to get it right. >> yeah. >> let's -- yes, i would hope that there'd be added pressure to get it right. but, listen, the guy didn't lose his job over these other cases,

apparently he wasn't found to be so much at fault. >> from what i've read, no. >> the top law enforcement official in the nation just said i stand with the people, not the law enforcement people. he just went there and said i understand you can't trust police. what is he talking about? this is the height of absurdity i and contempt for our culture and our society. this is fanning the flames of racial unrest. it's unforgivable. >> you believe eric holder is doing it? >> yes. >> eric holder, absolutely. he's the top law enforcement official. >> okay. >> he just went to a community and said i stand with you guys against the police. >> and it's personal. >> and he's going to -- >> yeah. he made it about him. >> he's not fit for office. >> i'll say it again, one of the most sacred principles of our criminal justice system in this country is innocent until proven guilty. harris, i know you've said it on the show. we did a great job of putting that out on twitter and facebook, and the response was

overwhelming. the number of people that are listening or watching right now that believe that that has not been the case in ferguson, this police officer has not been assumed -- >> it's a witch hunt. >> it is. and i will ask you this one other question, we had our one lucky guy, geraldo, earlier this week, and he said the white jurors will see it this way and the black jurors this way. those were bold statements at the very beginning of the week. are we capable of a fair trial? >> we're absolutely capable of a fair trial. i don't think that people are are locked in their skin. i don't think that -- >> that was my point. >> -- people can't overcome their histories in order to say if you lose your son and he committed no wrong, if there was no assault on this police officer, that this is wrong as regards michael brown or if he didn't rush the police officer. white folks can say that too. >> right. you know, it's interesting from what jedediah was saying, there's now so much more of thattiering, i would imagine, on

the streets of ferguson because people don't want to be summed up for their parts. >> yeah. >> one of our parts being skin color. we're so much more than that. bill o'reilly on "the o'reilly factor" last night took on this issue and it's getting a lot of response. i want to get your thoughts. >> what happened to michael brown should never happen to any american. what happened after his death should never happen in this country, but it is happening. and only the truth will overcome the chaos. >> kimberly, you talked about that oath, that oath of representation, of getting to the truth. your thoughts? >> yeah. i mean, i think -- i took the oath, i hold it sacred to this day. i'm still licensed to practice law, the whole deal, and i served faithfully as a prosecutor. it was one of my proudest moments, the time i spent in the district attorney's office. and what bothers me is just the flagrant besmirching of the reputations of the men and women that serve in law enforcement, the prejudice against them, saying that they're bad people, and they would go out and

purposely try to shoot an african-american. it's really appalling to me that in this country where we have come so far that it can be dialed -- >> i have to to add this for ten seconds. robert difference of robert kennedy going after martin luther king's assassination and saying he too had lost someone in his family, and he understands the pain of the other race. and here's eric holder, reprehensible, a dismissable human in terms of his job description. he can't do his job. he literally goes there and says, no, we are separate, and you can't trust caucasians. unbelievable. >> 12 million arrests in the u.s., 34,000 per day, 99.9% of cases the perpetrator was not killed. those are some of the statistics from o'reilly, so what he was saying was echoing what kimberly is saying. >> sure.

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hold your breath for president obama to return to washington. unlike cameron, he does not travel lightly. although the president did return to washington for two days for a series of meetings, he essentially takes the white house with him wherever he goes. along with the press pool, a motorcade of 40-plus vehicles and crisis-ready communication apparatus. dr. keith, do you have a problem with the president remaining at martha's vineyard? >> i do because i think psychology matters, obviously, as a psychiatrist. i think that appearance is important. and so whether he can take the white house with him or not, americans would hike to know -- would like to know the president's at the helm, right? that he takes this very seriously, that it's no time to vacation. we just had a journalist beheaded. americans aren't sure what the future holds for them. it's no time for golf. it's time to be back at your desk. >> so i said at the commercial before we started this segment that i was going to be

outnumbered on this because i don't want where he is to distract from us just merely being up. upset that he stood up there yesterday, you know, after the beheading of an american journalist without a tie on, at martha's vineyard, but i don't want that to distract from the fact that we did not hear him accept up to that podium with -- step up to the that podium with decisive action. a comprehensive strategy. >> that's true. >> i think that could still be done from where he is. >> but he didn't do it. >> i don't want a vacation to distract from that, but he didn't do it. that's the problem. >> act presidential. sound upset. come up with a plan. give us some confidence. give our special operation forces confidence that you're not going to dive them out too when they're doing a dangerous job. what an appalling, pitiful response. >> be with us and compare this to george bush. people may say what they want about him, but he was at ground

zero with the fire chiefs in tear as saying they'll hear from all of us, us. u-s. >> that's the problem though, a combination. he looks bored. he looks apathetic when he makes these very important statements, and then you watch him go off and play golf. it looked like a president from start to finish is totally disengaged. i think if he gave a strong -- >> he is. >> if he gave a strong statement, though, and people came out and had confidence in him, i don't know that they would be so bothered about what he did afterward. but they're bothered because they see a president that's not being presidential and then going off and playing golfer. >> harris, you had pointed out the fact he has still taken less vacation than previous presidents, in fact, less than that of george w. bush. but i want to point out this fact, george bush played 24 rounds of golf as president. he later explained why he stopped in the fall of 2003 by saying he didn't feel it was appropriate to be golfing while american troops fought in afghanistan and iraq. >> yeah. you know what? here's the problem too, and you

started with david cameron cutting his vacation short. the french foreign minister said today, quote: i know in western countries this is a vacation period: he talked to "the wall street journal." but when people are dying, you must return from vacation. >> yeah. >> so now these are people who we are going to have to call upon as allies to go in and get isis. we're not going to do that alone, the president has said that, right? but if you already have people that you've got to fight side by side with questioning your judgment -- >> not good. >> -- your decision not to take it more seriously, that's a problem. and you know what? i don't know that i agree with you on the fact that it doesn't matter where he is. >> it matters. >> when you put on that suit and tie -- >> believe me, i'd prefer him to be at the white house. i'm just saying it's not an excuse. >> right. >> if you and i come out and do the show in a tank top and shorts it's a lot different than in our makeup and our -- [laughter] >> you wear that, and when the talk is over to the, you go back

to the nation. >> well, on optics matters. the much-maligned richard nixon said there are many things i might like to do or say, but nixon can't. >> right. >> he understood as the president of the united states. >> this guy doesn't get it. >> well, we are going to shift over to some education, a little something different, because we have eye-opening numbers from call the line up showing widespread dissatisfaction with common core as more and more americans find out what it is. 60% of americans oppose the standards for education touted by the obama administration which had been adopted by more than 40 states. when it comes to america's public schools, 80% of respondents giving them grades of c or worse, and more than 70% of americans giving president obama a c, d or f for his support of the country's public schools. the president's worst grade on the issue since he took office. kimberly, is this a big problem for the president and an opportunity for the gop to come out and stand for school choice,

stand for charter schools, stand for opportunity if they do can it right? >> i think it's yet another opportunity for the gop to seize the day. whether it's an issue of health care, whether it's an issue of national security and foreign policy or education or immigration, i mean, there are so many things to choose from, so much fruit to pick from from the tree. so, yes, this is important. parents across the country care about and education what their children are learning in the classrooms that taxpayer dollars are paying for. my son was in a public school, my mother was a public schoolteacher, i taught in public schools, but nevertheless, there's been a change in the curriculum -- >> you're too distracting to teach in public schools. [laughter] that's a cruel thing to do. >> they took me out of high school. >> yes, absolutely. [laughter] that's just insanity. >> didn't work out so well. they started banging their heads on the desk. i was like, whoa, okay.

[laughter] >> you have parents that are looking at their kids' textbooks and seeing that these problems and the way common core is approaching it, it's ridiculous. is this mostly because of parents saying this is not what i signed up for when i send my kids to school? >> when you try to homogenize everything, you stifle creativity. you don't set loose that i said rated, that inspirational nature of teachers to teach kids a potential way, to come up with special lesson plans. here's the ab lowe curriculum; fire half the teachers, split the day in half, double the salaries of those who remain. there's way too much time in school, it's not necessary. they're learning crazy stuff like memorizing maps -- >> you don't want children to know what the world looks like? >> you can learn geography quickly. you don't need to be tested in a high pressure situation because -- >> oh, man, i disagree with that. >> you'll forget those maps.

>> i will tell you that -- okay. >> okay, where's -- >> president obama on the education level -- [inaudible conversations] in one of the most important numbers i found in this survey was that only 15 percent of americans said that the government should decide what their students learn in the school. 56% of them said that they preferred the local school board to decide. why does the government keep insisting that they know better? let the local school boards figure this out. they know students, the environment better than anyone else. it's just a matter of not listening. >> because they do it with everything. they do it with obamacare. >> school lunches. >> it's a one size fits all approach. what do you think, harris? does the administration come back and say common core is e one of the good things we've done? >> i do want to broaden it out just real quickly. republicans talked about this too. former florida governor jeb bush

was -- >> good point. >> yeah. before you put it all on the democrats, it will be an issue if he decides to run. i think people -- >> yeah. that and immigration. >> that's the point of the day. two americans infected with ebola now out of the hospital, and one of them is speaking out. what he's saying about the ordeal. plus dr. ablow's got some explaining to do after he farced a lot of out-- sparked a lot of outrage -- >> she needs to drop a few. >> oh! >> i mean -- >> you did not. really? oh, my goodness. are we -- >> wow. we want to hear what he has to say about the strong reaction he got from those comments. >> meanwhile -- . >> indeed. óqoqúúñ@

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[laughter] about michelle obama and her health standards for school meals. watch this. >> by the way -- >> she's, she needs to drop a few. >> oh! you did not -- really? >> oh, my goodness, are we on a seven-second delay? >> that doesn't. >> do i don't want nutrition advice from -- >> michelle obama, she needs to the -- >> let's be honest, that's all kale and carrots? i don't buy it. [laughter] >> i know. all right. the legend lives on. check out just one of the tweets we got. s. douglas says and, i personally don't like this tweet, but i'm going to read it: >> now, we went ahead and kept that in, i made them take out a couple of the other ones. >> you know what? i like the tweet because i helped launch a diet, and i got right back on it after people showed a picture of me with a

little bit too much around my midsection. i didn't take offense. you know what? i probably should lose the last five. >> all right. well, i need to help feed the junk in my trunk, if you don't mind. >> yeah. >> do it. >> yes. >> oh, wow. >> what's your response to the outpouring of reaction to your comments about the first lady? >> well, listen, first, let's provide some context. the context was to remind people the draconian standards set by the first lady in her school lunch program, such that children are throwing their lunches away. they're inedible. they won't eat them. >> in some school districts. >> and what i was reacting to was the hypocrisy. let me state it differently. for someone who has struggled with her weight -- so many of us have -- for someone like that to say we're going to set draconian standards and dial everything so far down -- >> how do you know she struggled with her weight? >> yeah? >> well, okay, because i know from the images online.

>> uh-huh. >> that she has struggled with her weight or chosen, or chosen to be much heavier than at other points in the administration. maybe she's chosen it. you're saying how do i know she's struggled. maybe she didn't struggle. >> okay. doctor -- [inaudible conversations] >> after you made the comment i said to you on occasion because the media are invited to the white house every year -- >> yes. >> our team will go, and i have taken photographs -- >> you look cross with me. >> i'm not cross. i'm eating, i'm happy. my mom's mad because i'm talking with food, and she and i are about the same size. she's taller than i am, and i mentioned this to you, and i said so do you think i'm fat? do you remember what you said to me? you said, well, to that i say -- >> i think i said you're well. but anyhow, we could replay the tape. should each of us lose five pounds? probably. >> oh, my god! jedediah would be invisible. >> is that awful? is that terrible?

[inaudible conversations] >> people love me would sometimes tap me on the shoulder and say, keith, come on. make it half a cookie. >> dr. ablow -- >> we probably all other than jedediah, i think three, four, five pounds. >> you don't know what the first lady eats. >> i have no idea what she eats. i'm talking about weight loss. [inaudible>> one second though,n have a skinny person, i've studied nutrition for years, you can have a skinny person who's unhealthy, who smokes, who eats garbage, i was one of them for years. >> you exercise, eat well -- [inaudible conversations] here's the bottom line -- >> dr. ablow, i'll tell you what the bottom line is. >> tell me. >> future appearances, think about what you're going to say before you say it. >> no, no, i thought about it this time, and i'm still saying -- listen, if i came here on the couch and i had had a drink and you smelled it on my breath, wouldn't you say, hey, keith -- >> i wish you were drinking now,

because that would explain -- [laughter] >> hell no, you didn't just tell a puerto rican woman she needs to lose five pounds. i'll see you after the show. >> except for the woman in red. a little more, a tiny bit more. >> [inaudible] >> get prepared. >> i'm sorry, i think we can always improve. i'm going to have a cookie too. >> you shouldn't. >> coming up, hamas threatening new rocket attacks on dr. keith at the airport in tel aviv. how israel is responding, a live report from the israel/gaza border. plus, what new research is saying that destroys women's creativity in the workplace but gives men an advantage. ♪ ♪ factors like diet can negatively impact good bacteria?

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>> more "outnumbered" in just a mo, but first, to john scott with what's coming up on the second hour of "happening now." jon: just ahead, the american doctor treated for ebola in atlanta now recoverying and on his way home, leaving emery hospital today. the other patient already discharged on tuesday. we will hear about the ordeal. israel says it killed three key hamas leaders today in an airstrike in gaza, we will go live to the middle east for more

on that. and a federal judge orders the justice department to give congress a list of documents from operation fast and furious, so why does the white house say they should remain confidential? we'll have a live report on that coming up, "happening now." >> we will be watching, jon, thank you. >> thank you, sandra. >> well, i may be outnumbered, do you think? >> yes, you are lay. [laughter] >> but it is my turn with this story. there's a new steady that shows men benefit from competing in teams at would recollect while women don't -- work while women don't. it shows that stereotypes continue to dominate behavior in the workplace, causing women to see themselves as less competitive and sense that others might not expect them to compete either. so, the study says or the author of it, their creativity drops. what do you think? >> i knew you were going to come to me first on this. [laughter] >> yes. it's the pink. >> i have no idea where this study comes from because i thrive in competitive environments.

>> that's for sure. [laughter] >> you were an athlete, you were a professional journalist, competitive athlete. >> oh, yeah. when there's a crunch moment, throw me in, coach. >> that's the point, right? >> i love it. [inaudible conversations] >> count on that. i love that about her, because i like that strength. >> have you been in environments where you feel you're being urged not to compete? because the study would suggest you're not expected to. >> no. because i've worked in television news. >> you're talking to the most -- [laughter] >> one of the most competitive couches -- >> part of the thing you should do is know your audience. [laughter] that could help you out. but here, let me pose this. i don't think it's terrible. if it happens to be the case that on average one gender is a little less competitive than another, is that terrible? >> it's not terrible. >> why does gender have -- >> why can't it just be individual? >> yeah. >> what if it's gender? >> in the same way you're --

>> what if it turns out that they do psychological blood tests on the whole human race, and it turns out that one gender is a little less competitive, is that horrible? >> if you had women in general being less competitive, which i think is false, then you'd probably have women rising to the top of companies lessoften is and being less pet tive in business atmospheres less office, and you wouldn't see them in as many ceo positions. >> that's why it's false. >> here's the thing, i don't think that success in business or the arts or raising a family or many things depends necessarily always on competition. i think you can be brilliant -- >> i think it's a key part of it. >> -- brilliant and successful and consider yourself to be actualizing yourself, and you don't have to compete. >> but then you're competing with yourself. >> okay. >> you're competing with your own standards, so you're still competing. >> you're preaching that everybody gets a trophy generation. >> no, no, no, not at all, and you're always putting words in my mouth, and we're going to have to compete about this. [laughter] i have to get back to my diet. >> forget about the sweat.

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. >> american's participation in most sports is declining. how dow explain the clothing

sales? >> more and more people are wearing stretchy ts and leggings without putting a foot in the gym? >> it is a further extension of the loss of reality in our culture. it started with t- shirts and everybody was going to one or the other retail shop and jack's bait shop. and it is more about people, but be comfortable. >> i live. in yoga pants and flats. and i like the logo sometimes. i like the color and what it says. >> i have no problem with a yoga

pants. >> it is great for you. it is great for you. >> i wear yoga pants. >> you are more of a boeks kind of guy. >> i am not surprised. >> would you like to get on the other end of my glove? >> that will do for a long time, actually. >> thanks! >> and kimberly, what is she asking. >> she wants to know if you want to do a reveal? >> no. i am so not asking that. >> it is a strange >> i will not ignore the fact that i think yoga pants are extremely uncomfortable. and sometimes to work on and sometimes not to and what i don't like is when i see people wearing them to work and church. >> you don't like girls wearing them and girls wearing leggings

to school? >> no, i don't. i think it is distracting to boys. and not great to wear yoga pants to class. >> i feel privileged to be here. >> this is happening now. fox news alert. we are now learning attorney general eric holder is launching a criminal investigation in the murder of james foley. that development coming as the u.s. ramps up air strikes targeting terrorist in iraq. >> i am molly line in for jenna lee. >> the u.s. drones taking the fight to isis after the barbaric execution of james foley. >> that group is threatening to kill another american they are holding and the president obama will keep up up the pressure on