wonders next. >> tell us what you think. thanks for watching everybody. i'm martha maccallum in for megyn. this is "the kelly file." welcome to "hannity." font for the entire hour and with the help of our studio audience we investigate the shooting death of michael brown and the racial divide it has exposed right here in america. this is a special edition of "hannity." and it starts right now. night has fallen and police are bracing for more violent protests on the wake of the shooting death of the black teenager michael brown. >> you must disburse immediately. this is no longer a peaceful protest when you try to injure people. >> these parents are not going to cry alone. they're not going to stand

alone. they're not going to fight alone. we have had enough. >> michael brown was killed worse than a dog. it's just not right. it's just not fire. >> michael just butm rushes him. shoves him back into his car. moves for the gun. michael grabs the gun. at one point -- >> officer wilson never even had an attempt to actually make any overt law enforcement act. none. he never even had an opportunity to get out of his car before he was attacked. the whole aggression here was michael brown. >> let me ask one question -- >> he set it in motion. >> there is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. >> i do not support the looting. i don't.

but at the same time i understand the anger and frustration. >> i don't know how long people are going to protest because this also is just is not about mike brown. this is about police brutality. this is about racism. this is about racial profiling. and this is about a community that's trying to find its voice. >> on saturday august 9th, 18-year-old michael brown was shot and killed in the st. louis suburb of ferguson, missouri. now, since that day riots and protests have raged on the streets of that midwestern city. and so tonight we have put together a studio audience of legal law enforcement and civil rights leaders to weigh in on all of these issues impacting ferguson and the united states as a whole. but by the way, we're not going to just argue and debate. we will do some of that over the course of the next hour. but hopefully we'll offer up solutions on how we could bridge this racial divide that exists in our great country. and with that let me bring in our distinguished studio audience. good to see everybody. thank you all for being here. let me start with this.

dorian johnson was with michael brown. and he was the first person that i saw explain what happened. and he said we were just walking along minding our own business and then they shot him in the back. and not only that, we didn't do anything. and he had his hands up and they executed him. i heard that and i heard two other witnesses. how many of you agree with me, when you heard that first description, how many of you thought, oh, my goodness. they shot this kid in cold blood. that's what i thought. raise your hand. how many of you thought that? you didn't think that right away when you heard that? >> i didn't. because one thing i've learned in being in the media, sean, is you have to get all of the facts. you had too many people weighing in on predetermined decisions and judgments when we didn't know anything about what happened other than the fact that this individual was shot and killed. >> i learned that in the richard jewel case. remember in atlanta the olympic bombing. and they said he was a hero. and then the atlanta journal constitution came out, he fits

the profile of a lone bomber because he lived with his mother. i was on the air that day and i said that doesn't mean he did anything. and he was listening that day. and i didn't find out until later and he gave me a call and said you were the only one that defended me. i learned not to rush to judgment. now we've got two diametrically opposed version of what happened that night. things have changed dramatically. i would even argue in favor of the police officer and his story, darren wilson. now we hear, well, we know about the robbery at the convenience store. which i think is important. and we'll debate that. but we also know that we have witnesses that are saying that michael brown bum rushed the police officer twice, once in the car. and that's where the first shot went off inside the car. and then after he ran he might have put his hands up but then he charged at the officer. that would then change the entire legal definition of what happened that night. yes? >> you will find as being a former nypd detective, that the initial stories are formally

false. and sometimes it's like a bad game of telephone. and what happens over time and when a grand jury's impaneled and when the fbi's now interviewing people and under penalty of perjury you'll see the stories change. and to be a coconspirator in a forcible robbery is unbelievable to me. >> it was not only dorian johnson, it was two other people that said the exact same thing. so i was thinking three eyewitnesses, wow. >> it's talk on the street. >> now my next question is how many of you changed your mind now that new facts that the orbital socket has been fractured in the police officer's eye, he had severe facial wounds. and now we've got witness testimony that says that in fact michael brown charged at the officer. how many of you have had a change of heart that maybe there's a whole other story here? >> well, i didn't change my mind at that point. when you asked the initial question you said you just got the idea that he'd been shot in the back. what changed my mind was when they said a cop reached out of

his window to grab a guy that's 6'4", 290 pounds with his left arm. i'm thinking this cop better be a 500-pound gorilla to do something that stupid because you wouldn't do it. and of course we knew on the ground in st. louis that there'd already been some issues with dorian johnson. >> are we really at a point that none of us were there. i cannot say definitively tonight that i know what happened. i think what has happened in ferguson as many people have rushed to judgment. how many agree there's been a rush to judgment? how many believe in our judicial system you're innocent until proven guilty? we all agree with that. >> let me make a quick point. i think it's also crazy to assume that a big guy would rush to a cop unarmed and the cop is shooting at him. it sounds crazy on both sides, but i think the point is the point. we don't know what happened. we're all making assumptions. and until we have the facts, we don't -- there was no camera.

and so some of the things you just said, sean, were, you know -- >> eyewitness testimonies on both sides. and i've given an accurate description of what people are saying. >> the main issue here also is that those assumptions are more valid for certain communities than they are for others because we -- we're going to look at a situation like that if you're african-american and particularly from the urban areas, you're going to look at a situation like that and say, you know what, i can see this happening because i saw it with eric garner and i've seen it in so many other situations. >> let me ask you this hard question. because the narrative after the video of the strong arm robbery came out, the narrative was first they assassinated michael brown and now they're assassinating michael brown's character. let me tell you what i think is relevant. if ten minutes prior you just committed a robbery, doesn't that go to the mindset that you might have to the police -- that goes to what michael brown's

mindset was at that moment. >> and suppose on the way to meeting that police officer he had in his mind that, you know what, i'm going to play it cool right now. we don't know what happened right in that exact moment. >> that's what matters. what he did prior to that. i understand that there may be some credibility issues in the court of law, but the reality is that officer -- that officer playing judge and jury right at that moment. >> here's the difference, if in fact michael brown charged, that is justifiable use of force. if he did not charge, he is guilty of executing a young unarmed man. very different. you're a lawyer. >> exactly. one of the things i wanted to point out. i watched a press conference with the governor. and a lot of people are quick to say i want this cop to be convicted. there's a process. there has to be an investigation. and the jurors will ultimately decide. and a lot of people are not thinking about that. they're just like without knowing the facts he's wrong. we don't know. none of us know. and the jury's going to decide based on circumstantial evidence. >> let me ask you, alvita king, your uncle was dr. martin luther

king jr. >> right. well, i have three adult children who are attorneys and they said watch what you say, mom. you can't rush and make a decision. you have to have all the facts. and nonviolent conflict resolution, get the information first. we need the k.n.o.w. peace. so we have to calm the people down. but we need the facts. we need the facts. >> you say calm people down, immediately there was chanting in ferguson death to the police. the only good cop is aead cop. the new black panther party went into town, you know, you talk about peaceful solutions. dr. martin luther king jr., they were saying who do we want, darren wilson, how do we want him, dead. >> that is not justice. those are the points that have to be made. >> we saw this with your uncle. we saw it with my father, the classic civil rights leaders. when it comes to issues as sensitive as race, you

investigate. you don't come out and make judgment. you don't do what the governor did, which was stupid and talk about a rigorous prosecution. >> or is eric holder the right guy? we're a nation of cowards on race. >> well, he's one of those cowards obviously because he came in and weighed in and not operating like the attorney general for all the people of the united states. weighing in personally on his own personal experience. >> there's only one person actually in this room that actually has intimate direct knowledge at least to a certain extent he wasn't there. but dr. baden performed the autopsy. what did we learn from the autopsy, dr. baden? >> well, i performed the second autopsy at the request of the family. >> you've performed 20,000-plus autopsies in your career. >> in new york mostly. >> world renowned forensic pathologist. >> thank you. >> it's true. you're welcome. >> it's interesting what's been discussed. we learned from the autopsy what happened to michael brown. he was shot six times.

six bullets struck him. we don't know how many missed. we know that three went through his arm and didn't stay in the body. so that one of the problems to me just working over the years is shooting at someone in an open space with people just lucky that nobody else was hurt or injured by the bullets that didn't stay in -- >> can i ask a question? would an orbital socket fracture, would that impair the ability of the officer to see? >> could. but you're doing what -- you're criticizing. >> i'm asking a question. >> no, you are assuming -- >> take over the show. >> no, sean. >> really? >> no, you're making your point in a very interesting way. there have been no official reports of what happened to the police officer. somebody leaked the fact that it's orbital fracture. we don't know if it's true. because we got to see the records. and if there were a punch to the

eye that caused injury to the eye, certainly he would have problems seeing. >> he would? >> yeah. >> that's what i'm asking. you are able to determine because there's no gun powder residue on michael brown's body that it took at least -- it was at least two feet away in terms of the officer from michael brown. >> it was right up close. >> let me ask this because i've carried a firearm more than half my life. and i was a pistol marksman when i was 12 years old, so i know a lot about the use of weapons. >> right. >> so my question to you is if somebody -- if he had the orbital socket fracture. >> right. >> his adrenaline's flowing. >> right. >> if that scenario's correct that michael brown was running towards him, is it possible he hit him three times here, didn't stop him, michael kept coming and that would be the reason for six shots? i'm asking hypothetically. >> that's possible. only one of the six shots that caused him to die when he did,

which is of the six bullets that struck him one that came to the top of the head and brain. that was the one that -- >> stopped him immediately. >> that stopped him immediately. >> we're going to take a break. we have a lot more to get to tonight. mercedes, glad you're here. glad you made it. coming up next tonight right here on "hannity". >> how many times was he shot? and where was he shot? and why he lie in the street for several hours? that was a kind of a state execution. >> so are the words of reverend jesse jackson, president obama and al sharpton, are they helping or hurting what's happening in missouri? i'll pose that very question to our studio audience as "hannity" continues on this special edition. if you suffer from constipation, you will likely also suffer from gas. introducing new dulcogas, which starts working to eliminate gas bubbles in minutes for effective relief. dulcogas, from the makers of dulcolax- nothing relieves gas faster.

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we examine the racial divide in america in the wake of the shooting of michael brown. it has been well over a week since the teenager was shot and killed by a ferguson police officer. and since that fateful day we have seen people from the president and beyond weighing in on this tragedy. let's take a look. >> there's no excuse for excessive force by police or any action that denies people the right to protest peacefully. ours is a nation of laws. for the citizens who live under them and for the citizens who enforce them. >> how can the young folk in the city believe in a system that would tried to spit on the name and chapter of a young man who hasn't even been buried? >> how many times was he shot? and where was he shot? and why he lie in the street for several hours? that was a kind of a state execution. >> so are those comments helping or hurting the community of ferguson and beyond? we go back to our studio audience. rod wheeler, you've been around

law enforcement a long time. do those comments help, they hurt? >> those comments did not help at all. the reason i can tell you this, sean, is because last friday night i was there in ferguson in the middle of the riots. and i spoke with all the people that we're talking about that was doing the rioting and i asked them one specific question. i said if president obama is watching this show right now, because i was interviewing them, what would you say to him? this is what i asked the same guys that was out there rioting. they all looked at me and they said we'd say good-bye. because they feel as though, and this is really the bottom line guys, talking to those folks, they feel as though the government has turned their backs on them. they feel as young african-american males are treated like second class citizens. so the shooting of mike brown is more than just the shooting of mike brown. it's about what's going on in america. even right here in new york, and don't fool yourself, don't kid yourself what happened in ferguson can happen any day. i'm sure -- will agree with me can happen any day in any city

in america. >> i agree with you. i would argue, kevin, a lot of this is socioeconomic. where you have an economy with 100 million americans on welfare in some shape, manner or form, the lowest participation rate and the black community, black teenagers can't get summer jobs, that 60% of them. that means they're hanging out with their friends. >> echo what rod said. i was there, i don't remember which day, i was there three or four days, they were saying -- >> so they have no impact. they're hurting. >> zero impact. nobody cared. and it's exactly the same reasons. in fact, a lot of these kids were thinking of the looting as sort of getting back. you know, something that they weren't provided by the nation. they looked at it as, hey, it's shopping. >> let me go to joe. joe works for a website that hates me. >> that's a strong word. >> they use my name just to get all the liberals to say i'm dumb and stupid with every other

comment. but with that said welcome to the program. >> thanks. >> let's talk about the media aspect of this. al sharpton's a host on nbc news, right? >> correct, yes. >> do you think it's been responsible? do you think it's over the top? do you think you can be an activist and a host at the same time? >> sean, there are two aspects to television news these days. there is first the less important aspect which is the business side. and in this case you're not getting an roi, return on investment, he gets beat by cnn in his time slot, and this is the latest report from yesterday, 2-to-1, it's not like he's injected himself -- >> come on bret baier. more importantly, look at integrity. so every hosts' job is to present two sides of every story and let the audience come to their own conclusion. >> i am a conservative commentator. i'm the editorial page of a newspaper. let's look at it from a law enforcement -- jonathan, from a

law enforcement standpoint. i watch what's going on and everyone's criticized the militarization of the police. >> right. >> when you're being hit with molotov cocktails, rocks and gunfire, i think our cops need to be protected. i think they need every bit of that equipment. am i wrong? >> you're not wrong. but when we speak of the militarization of the law enforcement, what wooe really talking about is militarization of a very small group of police. the rest of the police are really being taught learned helplessness. they're not allowed to do warrants anymore, drug seizures, certain types of arrests and getting less and less training while s.w.a.t. is getting more equipment and more training. mr. wheeler hit on something that's excellent here. but i don't think this is a black/whitish shoe. i think what we're having here -- cause it could happen anywhere. we're having a lack of preparedness issue. these problems can be solved way before they happen. you know, somebody like jesse jackson or al sharpton coming up there, they just throw gas on that flame. if we leaders in the communities

could actually start looking at this way before, it's the same as if we trained law enforcement. >> i agree. jason, i got a question. how many people died in chicago last weekend? seven. you know how many people were injured? 29. isn't jesse jackson from chicago? >> he is from chicago, but jesse jackson's got a different agenda. and that agenda is to blame whites for what's going on with blacks. chicago doesn't further that agenda. so jesse's out making hay about white on black violent so to speak instead of black on black violence. to the point about al sharpton, it's interesting. it shows al sharpton is not only making trouble, but the media helps him make trouble. you say the things that al sharpton says and you get a show on television. you say the things that i say about personal responsibility and black behavior, and you might get on "hannity" panel. which i appreciate. >> wow. wow. good night everybody. we'll see ya. >> my point is that the media

continues to go back to the same individuals to speak on behalf of the black community. they're helping make the problem worse by continuing to run to the al sharptons and the jesse jacksons to speak on behalf of blacks. >> you're raising a great point. one of the reasons i started doing the audience shows is because of the woman behind you. one day me, deneen and her husband had a conversation about the treatment of black conservatives in america. i think it was some of the best shows we've ever done. because you can say anything you want about a black conservative. you can call him any name, uncle, tom, traitor, sellout, and it's acceptable. in a politically correct society. what's your take on all this. >> you're absolutely right. and the other point i wanted to make is in regards to the media because if you're getting your news from the same source in regards to black individuals, there's a message of victimization throughout the black community that is portrayed from jesse jackson, al sharpton, eric holder, it's the

same message that is resonating over and over again. if you're not getting your resources or information elsewhere, this is the mindset of individuals. and they believe they're victims, sean. and the least little thing that happens it's someone else's fault, not my fault. and it's a me versus them mentality. i've seen it on the news, naacp, it's the same message. >> you know, my christian belief teaches me this, and it may shock you that i went to a seminary. the word education from the latin, to bring forth from within. what does that presuppose. it's predicated on a belief that god has given every man, woman and child talent. it's our job to bring it out of them. it's already there. we're failing these kids. and we are not serving them well. we're going to talk about that when we get to the solutions part. we'll come back and examine the rush to judgment, the overwhelming effort on the left to vilify law enforcement in the wake of the shooting death of michael brown as this edition of "hannity" continues.

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welcome back to our audience edition of "hannity." in the wake of the shooting death of black teenager michael brown, some lawmakers and members from the mainstream media and hollywood's finest have been quick to visually attack the law enforcement's handling of the situation. let's take a look at their reaction. down a man in the ify killing middle of the street execution style? >> police behavior that also created the following crisis, which was the war zone style incompetent extreme use of police force rioting. >> there is nothing going on on this street right now that -- nothing. >> there are people in this country who not only do not like african-americans, but they despise black men. there is a war on black boys in this country in my opinion. there is a war on african-american men. it's going to turn ugly. >> i just think there's a war on

the black male. and it's tearing the country apart. >> you have a widespread belief this police department kind of has it in for african-americans. >> we bring back our studio audience for reaction. mercedes, you are -- if i was in trouble, you're it. you're the person. you're a great defense attorney. >> thank you. >> to a certain extent you cannot disagree that there probably based on crime statistics i don't think there's any doubt that young black men are singled out more than other groups. how many agree with that? everybody? >> absolutely. >> okay. crime statistics also show that they may be more likely. to what extent is that unfair to them? because i believe it is happening. and i think we've got to deal with that part of the equation. >> it really comes down to the process. it's what keisha said. there is a presumption of innocence we've all satd it, we've all raised our hands here.

as long as there's an investigation when these crimes or these allegations are happening and the due process is given to those individuals who are facing those allegations in crime, then we can say that justice is being served and that their legal system is actually in place. >> if you have a lawyer for this case, and i know you're a great lawyer, based on what you know now, the two diametrically opposed stories and you were arguing for the judge, for the police officer, do you think you could get off? >> if i could establish those severe injuries -- >> michael brown. >> yes. exactly. >> if you could establish witness is saying he charged the officer -- >> charged the officer. and there was a young girl that actually filmed it. and she said there was undou undoubtedly a scuffle in that police car. you have that girl that videotaped it, saw what took place -- >> you think you would get a not guilty. >> i can as long as you can establish -- you've got to have a new venue though. >> the problem is the courtroom

is not the place to heal these wounds. if you look at the pugh study that just came out, you'd see there's a big divide in america. we're not going to heal it in response to rodney king and trayvon martin and michael brown. we have to come together when tempers aren't so high to have these conferrings and to address these things when everyone hasn't backed into their position. >> i want to tell you something, heather. if i did this show and it wasn't a big story in the news, it wouldn't have as high ratings as it's probably going to have tonight. that's the reality. but i agree with you -- let me ask some of the black members of this audience. you know how they break everything down politically, demographically. young black men, you all know the crime statistics, you all know that they are stopped more frequently than others. what can be done to stop it? i'll start with you, rod. >> i think we definitely need to look at our educational system. i mean, that needs to be improved in a lot of different communities across the country. and then obviously when you talked about poverty,

unemployment, underemployment, you know, those are the kind of variables that's going to have to play a significant role in changing the dynamics and changing the mindsets of young african-american male or anybody. >> you say from a law enforcement perspective. you're a liberal, i want to ask you. >> i'm a democrat. >> same thing. >> i think two things. on a more immediate level we need to look at body cameras with these police officers. >> i like that. >> i don't like the idea of having to trust what the cop said or what cops who are basically part of the same system -- >> you ever see those gopro cameras? >> yeah. >> my kids use it and they're training, i got to tell you those things are amazing. >> the second point is that also we need to also look at with these cops -- i lost my train of thought. sorry. >> this could have been solved. >> with the gopro. >> because if you would have seen what the officer saw. now, let's assume, and it's

stupid to assume, but let's assume the cop had no idea who michael brown was that day. michael brown and his accomplice know they just committed a forcible robbery. at that point in time with the goprocamera and the video that's coming off the officer, it could have been solved in hours. >> let me go back and ask this question. could this solve maybe the problem of people -- there are instances where people are unfairly profiled. would police officers having cameras in the front and back, right here and right in the back so get a full perspective, would that help? >> i hate when you say it's unfairly. that's like saying math is racist. it is the math that is telling the police who the profile -- if chinese kids were committing crimes. they'd be going after chinese kids. >> i want to hear this. >> we've all been stopped. i bet you everybody on this panel's been stopped. you know what we do? we behave. we act appropriately. and you know why i do it? because i want the cop the next time he sees a young black man

he does not feel threatened. and we all have that responsibility. >> listen, i got pulled over by a liberal cop that hated my guts. and he threatened to take me to jail. and he says i could take your license right now. but it's not the same thing. i don't want to compare it. >> just to answer your question about being profiled. i do think there's a heightened level of fear of african-american males, but i think that african-american males -- >> jesse jackson said that. >> i don't agree with jesse jackson and al sharpton, if they want to help the community, teach the kids about education, about carrying yourself in a proper manner instead of perpetuating a serial type. i know i'm going to catch a lot of slack, but i don't care. because it's the truth. >> let me say amen because what we need more than anything else is hard real trues. there was more racism in the 1960s before her father and uncle and my father changed this country for the better, there was more racism, more police brutality and less crime. why? more in tact families, more

black families. more black men stayed in the household being responsible fathers for their children, bringing up black boys responsibly. that's going to go a long way. that's not a politically correct thing to say, but it's the truth. >> todd and then we have to break. >> i think this does go back to the breakdown of the family. we really need to have that conversation. what really impressed me about what i saw coming out of ferguson were the pastors and the churches standing up. and when the pastors intervened -- >> they helped a lot. >> sean, they were the ones coming out and exposing the national black panther head who was, you know, getting those crowds rowdy. they were the ones out there telling people to calm down and to protest peacefully. >> i got to tell you something, of the 120 people arrested only four were from ferguson. they were from all these other states. this is not a ferguson problem. >> sean, the government is trying to fix a problem they cannot fix. this is a church issue. >> if i say to the black community, all right, we have to keep our families in tact, will they listen to me? they'll say, hannity, you're

racist for bringing that up. >> well, back to dr. king, we used to have black leaders that talked about this. dr. king went to st. louis in 1961 and told the congregation, do you know we are 10% of the people in st. louis but responsible for 58% of the crimes? we need to do something about our moral standards. black leaders used to talk like that. they don't anymore. >> i'm going to come back to you. we'll come back. coming up next tonight right here on "hannity". >> in things racial we have been and i think continue to be essentially a nation of cowards. >> those words from the man leading the federal government's response to the unrest in ferguson. that's coming up next. and we'll get response from our studio audience. and it proves that they are far from cowards, by the way. we'll get solutions from them to narrow the racial divide in america as "hannity" continues.

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now the chief law enforcement officer of the united states, eric holder, he arrived in ferguson, missouri this week to lead the federal government's response to the unrest in ferguson following the death of 18-year-old michael brown. but is attorney general eric holder the right man for this job based on these comments that he made just a few years ago? >> though this nation has proudly thought of itself as a ethnic melting pot. in things racial we have always been and i believe continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards. >> all right. we bring back our studio audience for their reaction. he also made a similar comment after he testified before congress that he and president obama were treated differently insinuating it was about race. we went to ferguson, jason. and while in ferguson he said i don't come here just as the attorney general, but also as a black man. which i thought brought race into it. >> of course. >> and i think he's got to be objective. you said something before the

break. i'd like you to repeat that. >> i said there was a time when the black leadership in this country wanted to confront black criminality head-on and not make excuses for it. and they used to talk about personal responsibility. and one of those leaders was dr. king who told a congregation in st. louis in 1961, do you know that we are 10% of the population, but responsible for 58% of the crimes? he says we have to confront that. we have to do something about our moral standards. we can't keep blaming the white man. that was dr. king in 1961. you would be very hard pressed to find someone of the stature of an al sharpton or jesse jackson talking that way today. >> you know, as much as i think -- hang on a second. that's your uncle. how old were you when dr. king was assassinated? >> i was married the next year after they killed my dad, a.d. so i was 18 years old. >> you spent a lot of time with him. >> a lot of time with him. i write about all of this in my book "king rules" including the

point of morality and all that. as the mother of six children, four sons and six grandsons, they are discouraged, even my sons. i said, honey, you are not a victim. you come from a legacy. stand above that and speak peace to power. and morality is a factor, education is a factor, prayer is a factor. >> amen. >> and that is what martin luther king jr. believed in. >> you know, judge alex, you're a judge, obviously. >> i thought that was obvious from the name. >> yeah, i know. all right. i'm leaving again. you know, when you think about this, we failed all these kids in a lot of ways because i think we start them out in an educational system that has failed them. and i'll give you two examples. recently your comrade, de blasio, the mayor of new york, took on the charter system where they had an 80% pass rate versus

a city wide 30% pass rate. it was an all-girls public school in harlem that was put up. it was all girls, hugely successful and sued by a liberal organization and shut down. why is this mysterious reluctance and resistance of the left to fix the root of the problem? educate these kids, good role models in the community and bring the best out of them. the country would be better for it. >> you're right. i absolutely agree. we're trying to put band-aids on a problem that can't be fixed with band-aids. the people rushing to judgment, the people out there making up their mind this early on either backing that this was an improper shooting, that it was to use the words of jesse jackson, a state execution, or the other side. the ones going out saying this officer is completely justified. they don't know anything more than we do. they're looking at the facts from their perspective. >> are they conditioned to think white america is against them?

is this a narrative being echoed and repeated over and over again? >> not only is it being echoed. of course racism does exist. if you are african-american and your whole life people are looking at you when you go into a store and -- >> how many think most americans are racist? how many think only a small percentage of people are racist? i think it's a small percentage of ignorant people. >> but still, if you're a minority in this country, you still do feel as a minority in this country. so you're looking at it from that perspective. the problem is they didn't form their opinions early on, the problem is the opinions they form early on are fixed opinions. they don't want t >> i want to ask keisha and mercedes, i know you're both parents and i know your kids, both of you have done a great job raising your kids. both of you have done a phenomenal job. did race come into play in any way, shape, matter or form in the raising of your kids that are going to grow up and follow in your footsteps most likely? you're both lawyers.

>> to be honest, my daughter didn't know anything about black, white, asian, she looked at everyone saying, oh, mommy, there's a tan girl in my class and she's really nice. and when someone says to her how many black children are in your classroom, she says no one's black. i don't say that to say my daughter's ignorant, i want her to look at people who they are. >> isn't that innocence kind of special? >> right. >> too bad the rest of us aren't like that. too bad society isn't like that. >> it starts at home. it really does. >> for my kids, i tell my kids the only limitations you have in life are the ones you impose on yourself. and i have the best story about my daughter. my daughter and i were in court together, take your daughter to court day -- >> this is what it's going to be like when you get arrested honey. >> so out comes the deputy clerk who happens to be a young african-american woman. and she's approaching us and my daughter's like, mommy, mommy, is that the judge? and i said how fabulous that she knew, hey, there's no limitation

to anything that you want in life. >> she sees her mother get up at 4:30 a.m., workout and work until the late hours of the night a lot. >> right. >> that's your role model. that's your role model. >> can i say this? there are people in our communities that are having this conversation every single day. i helped start a school called the eagle academy public school in the bronx, all boys. they're on their fifth, sixth school right now. there are people that are doing this on a day-to-day basis. there are more black men in college now than there ever has been. the problem is that they can't stay there because of the income inequality, social capital inequality. >> i'm not buying that. you want to go to college, you can go to college. >> but what's happening is that they're there, but they can't finish. so there are issues not so much because they're not people in our communities trying to do this. >> you see the line for andre agassi's school he built in vegas? so many kids there's not enough room for them.

if you build it, these kids will come. >> they're doing it in our communities too. >> we're going to take a break. final thoughts, solutions from our audience on the shooting -- the aftermath of the shooting of michael brown. the state of race relations in america at "hannity" continues.

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welcome back to "hannity". final thoughts? solutions? >> stop the race to judgment. let's get facts and see what happens. >> i'd like the idea of cameras on police officers being a former cop they're not going to like it. not everybody wants to hear what they have to say to their colleagues but i think it's important enough. . >> i don't like the idea of more to police forces we need to see more people look like they're in that community. >> joe? >> reporters and tv hosts have to think before tweeting. we saw irresponsible tweets. and only 12 hours later learned from something nothing to do with the protest.

without a filter on social media we get erroneous reports. hosts have to be careful with social media. >> jonathan? >> we need to look at what is effective from a

. again tonight, no police officer fired a single bullet. we did not have to deploy any s.w.a.t. vehicles. tuesday night through 2:00 a.m., the number of arrests was 47. wednesday night, the number of arrests was six. last night, it was seven. tonight, it is zero. tonight's conflict is further proof that good things are happening in ferguson. this morning, when i drove along it looked like a typical friday in ferguson. there were almost no tv cameras on the road. when i arrived at the unified command center, the footprint had been reduced overnight. a street sweeper was cleaning the section of the parking lot we had vacated.

also, as planned, the drawdown of the national guard was under way. the winds of change continue to reflect a brighter tomorrow for our community. i'll answer any questions. >> i'm wondering if there's any plans on your end to deal with that. >> we will continue, as we've done everyday, to evaluate the operational plan to make sure we're providing a safe environment toward the community and businesses that are here. >> sir, the situation at the police department tonight, is there any concern about any sort of escalation there? >> there is not. i was over there. it was a peaceful protest and i came back to the command center. >> so, are you in a situation where you're continuing to drawdown? >> we're continuing to evaluate our operational plan and assess and take what needs we need to at this point.

>> do you have any concerns about saturday night and what sort of activity then? >> as i said throughout the day, i don't deal in what ifs, i deal with the president and what we see. at this point, we'll continue to look at operational plans and not really consider ourselves, a plan for what ifs. >> we'll assess the road like we've done the past few nights and go from there. >> what would you say to those who are a little critical of the federal government coming in and affecting the policy of the local government? >> could our clarify that question? >> eric holder coming in here and being all buddy-buddy with you and that being played on the media, if this were a psychological effect or does the federal government exercise any kind of control over the municipal government? >> i think holder coming in was

the voice of the people asking for other eyes to look at what's going on here in ferguson. i think the president sent general holder here because he heard the voice of the people in this nation and this community. >> the further drawdown of the national guard to characterize how much the national guard was pulled out? >> so far, we've looked at about a 20% drawdown. no further questions, thank you. >> captain ron johnson once again talking about the fact peace is prevailing in ferguson, missouri, again tonight, this saturday marking two weeks since una unarmed teenager michael brown was killed by a white police officer. for days the streets were filled with vandalism as protesters cla clashed with police and now there was calm without violence.

no tear gas, no bullets fired, no s.w.a.t. teams deployed, different from previous nights. tuesday, 47 arrests, wednesday, that went down to six. the next night down to seven and tonight, he says no arrests were made. hardly any cameras on the streets, he said, things are relatively calm. there wasn't peace days ago when people upset over brown's death were smashing car windows and carried away arm loads of looted goods from local businesses. looters seen carrying bags of paper products, cigarettes, anything they could grab. some protest stood on top of police cars while taunting others while others threw molotov cocktails and police resorted to rubber bullets and tear gas to control the crowds. tonight the streets completely different. another night of calm in ferguson, missouri, reiterating the fact there were no arrests made tonight opposed to 47

arrests towards the beginning of the week and he said national guard troops were drawn down. the last couple of nights, a much different picture. we'll have more from ferguson as anything develops. for now, back to "on the record." nhe "new york times" is talking about golf because it seems even that liberal newspaper that twice endorsed president obama in 2008, and 2012, just can't take it anymore. the criticism right on page 1. above the fold. yes, the president teeing off. not so much on isis but on the golf course. and the most vicious, well-funded well formed group sets its sights on america. president obama hit the link for another round of golf. the contrasting images spark criticism of president obama from the left and the right. washington examiner betsy woodruff. washington examiner susan