health insurance, and they don't like the wealth distribution stuff anymore, and you are going to see more and more me lineals going from there to republicans really quickly. >> and taxes are the fastest track. thank you. >> and now lawmakers are set to hold special hearings over the militarization of the police forces. so far $5 billion of military equipment going to police departments from humvees like the ones that we saw in ferguson to helicopters in night vision goggles. is demilitarization a bad move or a smarter investment for the e economy? i'm charles payne in for neil cavu cavuto. ben stein is off this week, and so joining us is gary k. is this too much of a look? >> well, the police should be just that, they should be police

and not military or soldiers. if you want to hurt the economy of a community, have some m raps rolling down the street, and guys with ak-47s pointed at people. you saw the visuals coming out in the last week, and not a good thing. better else in afghanistan. >> dagan, what do you think? >> well, we should point out that a lot of the equipment comes from the defense department. it is items and -- >> surplus. >> and it is surplus used for iraq and afghanistan that goes to the local law enforcement agencies and then grants from the department of homeland security, and the justice department to fight terrorism. >> is it justified? >> no, it is not justified. i understand the assault rifles, you know, to combat those on the streets with the assault rifles which is one of the reasons that there was a shooting out in california in the late '90s why you saw this happen. but to the extent that you saw that it looks like the military on the street, right?

and the national guard is there for a reason. the police force has a specific role, aed on the what extent does that kind of presence, that military presence seem to escalate things? >> well, adam, what happened is that the ferguson police department or whoever botch ed the rollout of this and swayed the argument to the point where everybody thinks it is so-called tanks and machine guns pointed at people, and what do you think about it? >> well, i think that when we are talking about the technology whether it is military technology or any other kind can, there are probably very good uses for it. one of the jobs of the police force is to protect the property in the community, and to the extent they can use the night vision goggles is a good thing, and the issue is what they do with it, and the optics, and what it looks like is very important and to pretend otherwise would be foolish, and by all means, if they had them to use technology the fight crime, let them use it. it is a good idea.

>> and we may be on the fox news alert here. what do you think, charles? well, we should point out that the reason why -- >> i will take it as a compliment. >> some of the issue at ferguson besides the obvious cultural socioeconomic issues is bad policing, and regular old bad policing, and botching the whole thing. >> and yes, that is certainly a more compounded series of compounded problems, and the militarization came after bad policing, and most recently after the riots. when you talk about the economy of the places, ferguson's economy is going to be shot for years because of the riots. people don't understand the deep economic impact on a already difficult situation. >> i am glad you brought it up. >> at some point, i will say this, if the police force cannot handle it, you do have to escalate your, to the almost military presence to protect the businesses, and that is going to be a big problem. >> dagan? >> well sh, it raises the issue

also of a lot of the, and because a lot of the surplus is coming from the federal government, and how is that money being managed by uncle sam, and is it is that their job made sure that the police departments are using -- >> some people are saying they are not getting the training to this point -- >> and why is there all of this excess is the question. $80 billion. >> and yes, the defense budget. and stuff that is effective for the military is not always effective for the local government. if you have a boy scout troop lost in the woods, you will be happ happy that your local police department has a helicopter to find them, and only 5% of the money goes the weapons. and it is blown out of proportion. charlie, gary said something that i want you to think about, after the watts riots, bethlehem steel was located and the destruction of the watts riots made that place a disaster for t the next 40 years. >> how about newark? >> yes, you could throw in a

bunch of cities. >> and the word here is moderation. i was reading about in colorado n miami, they have some of the big tanks, and the mraps for improvised explosive devices, and last i looked they are not having mines sitting on the streets. >> they are not offensive, but defensive. they don't have tanks and going to blow people up. >> well, the point is that i don't want to see on the news a that the things are walking on the news, because something happened. >> well, gary, suppose that the situation is so out of control, and listen, i don't like the optics either, because it looks like an occupying force has gone into ferguson, and it is hor b rib -- horrible and disgusting is situation, but that place is out of control right now. and you have to -- >> i disagree with you. >> let me just make a point. >> let adam come in. go ahead. >> well sh, the point is that, look, i think that where most of us are in basically in agreement

here sh here, and if we are talking about the policy w what we have learned from the situation is ha the place where the most money needs to be spent is on community policing. that is salaries for the cops to be walking the streets in the neighborhoods. >> they triy ied it in new york city under david dinkins and it never worked. then youed had rudy giuliani and bill bratton changing the policing ways. >> well, it is not the only thing to spend the money on. >> and it is absurd left concept that does not work. >> and here is the thing. one thing that we have seen, dagan, over the years, over the last 25 years is that the crime has come down pretip to usually, -- precipitously, and part of the reason is aggressive polici policing. to adam's point, you combine it with technology and know-how, but it effective and made it a much better country. >> yes, butt at some point, it crosses the line, and we all agree when you look aggressive and mill tar is iistic you can

to actual ly incite violence looking that way, and where you draw the line is impossible to quanti quantify, but there were instances in ferguson that made the hair stand up on your back. >> and now to the right of center is rudy giuliano, and now it is bill de blasio who said that aggressive policing is bad. i'm paraphrasing, but what you need issing assertive, and here is the problem with places like ferguson, they are aggressive after the fact. they are not assertive. i don't believe they police well there. and then -- >> that is not the point. >> and then, then, when something blows up, they go nuts. >> gary, back to this, and we started with you and we will end with you, how about the idea of any effective policing in the world is all about a deterrent? i mean, you know, it is the key order, and you want to make sure

that anybody on the other side is thinking of doing something stupid, you know they will be. >> i am all for the effective deterrence and policing, and the great line of dagan is crossing the line. we don't want a police officer making a mistake with the military artillery that is going to blow things up. and that is what i said, moderation. >> it begins with that. >> if you say so. >> when is the last time you saw a tang k in new york city? >> well, these are mrap are armored vehicles, but they look scary as bejesus. >> well, it is not good to e begin with that. >> and the bottom line, they don't roll them out until there are riots, and ferguson was the worst case example of someone rolling it out. >> i think ammo and think rut-roe! >> there you go. >> and now the justice department sending taxpayer community organizers to ferguson

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live from america's news head kwaquarter, good morning. i'm lelandb vittert. there is a new fight against isis, as the pentagon is considering air strikes in syria. the terror group has erased the border between iraq and syria, and general martin dempsey the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff have said that air strikes in iraq would not be enough to stop the terror groups in iraq, and they are hitting the inside of syria. and also, there is a confirmation between a u.s. navy plane and chinese fighter jet. a chinese fighter flew close to

a p-8 anti-submarine plane, and the chinese plane was out of international air space, and within 50 feet, it did a barrel roll within 50 feet of the u.s. navy plan. i'm leland vittert in for neil cavuto. as the ebola virus is spreading across africa, it is banning all flights from the region, but do we have to take it that seriously, charlie? >> well, i do. i came on the show a couple of weeks ago and i said that the hospitals are up to the challenge. i was not in favor of bringing the two american citizens home who were over in africa and obviously, it is a positive thing that came out, and i think that they have been both discharged from the hospital, but i do have a problem of the fligs coming out of that place, and here is the thing, until we get like a good screening process down, from

what i understand, it is a three-week incubation period. you won't get on to the plane and start bleeding from your eyes. it is very, very difficult -- >> and you can't look at somebody and say, you have ebola. >> when somebody has it, when it hits, it is bleeding from the sdisht a h eyes, but before it hits, it is not detectable. >> and you know, i, too, was against the two doctors being released, but with you put the smily face saying it can be combatted and if somebody comes over, then, fine. >> i'm a free market person, and the airlines decide they don't want to fly in and out of the countries, and you have had british airlines and korean airlines and system of the airlines not flying to the regions in africa, that is fine, but you can't ban travel to and from these countries. >> why? >> because you cut the country off from getting health care workers, and plus, this is not like the flu or the

tuberculosis, because it is going to require the contact of bodily fluids with somebody who has an open infection. >> it is not that hard to get. >> and gary, hold on, because there are economic consequences to this, and also the idea that, you know, a panic can also be an economic consequence that we overreact. >> look, i say that you err on the side of caution at all point s in time. it is spreading big time in africa, and british airways as dagan mentioned is banning it, and if there is a necessity to do that, then do it, because the cost of it coming on the the shores in a big way, watch what happens if it hits the news that there are a bunch of people getting it. i am all for the erring on the sifd ocaution. >> adam every time you wake up, the count in africa is different. it feels like the country doesn't want to admit who has it which makes it more worrisome, and you don't know who has got it, because they won't be honest with us. >> and what i thought was that itt is tragic, and all of it is

tragic and where i thought that you were going a moment ago, charles, i was going to say we are two for two, because i agree with dagan if the airlines don't want to fly in, that is their call. but an outright ban -- >> and now, come on. >> it is true, but i will let you get away from that, but an outright ban sends the wrong message and we need to be vigilant, and we need to be, and we are. nobody is thinking hunky-dory because of the wonderful recovery of the two wonderful doctor doctors. but of course, we have to be vigilant. >> and this is what you call the liberal hypocrisy, and they are for the government sticking in every direction, but yet, with a ebola outbreak that might affect us all, let the big business handle it. and the british airlines and all of the places, they know what they are doing now on ebola, but not on anything else. >> and gary, i wanted to bring

you in to say something? >> well, we have been vigilant and some people have been taken off of airlines when they have been believed to having some, and we get it. and the fact that it is on the news in a daily basis, i think that a lot of people are going to be watching. >> how about the governments screening, but if we do it on this end, it is incredibly difficult to do it, because we can't get airport security right. it has to be done in the countries where the people are leaving. >> we should send americans to do the screening then. >> no, you do not know the origin of of where these people going to be dying. >> wishing? >> when are you going stop wishing this plague on people. >> wishing? well, it is not if, but when people are going to start dying. >> you want to cut off all aid to africa. >> with well, that is a loaded

question, but yes, i want to cut us off from the world. >> well, i want to push you on it. >> i want to push you. why can't we have a big deep breath and figure out about this virus, and who it is affecting people before we let unfettered access back into the country. >> well, it is a a temporary ban for the people coming to the u.s. from sierra leone. >> so we figure it out. >> because we could do that while people still come over. >> and one point, charles -- >> not if we don't know the incubation period. >> is there a way to look at somebody at a line if they have ebola. >> yes, when you are contagious, you are going to present with symptoms, and it is not a disease. >> when you have a cold, you can be presented with a symptom. >> yes. >> and forget the crying baby,

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college. why is it the cost rising so much? >> i think a lot of it is public schools. a lot of them are not what they used to be. they're not very good anymore. you have teachers in subpar. in my case, i took my kids out of public school. there was a lot of bullying, drug arrests i thought the teaching was subpar. so private school they go, there goes your costs. >> from 2% to 18% is just mind boggling stuff. >> it has to be in part to how much it's related to things you're spending for your kids. >> tutors? >> tutors, art supplies. you're required to dump a lot of money into what is already a publicly funded education. >> the last year in school is going to cost to gary's point an arm and a leg. and education system were working and i pay pretty high

property taxes i wouldn't have to do that. >> i think it's great that you do. there's a positive angle, parent are very attuned to give their kids the best education. i grew up in an era where parents kicked your -- >> you didn't get an "a"? let's talk about it. >> they didn't care until they saw the report card. then they kicked the crap out of you if you didn't get the grades. >> hey, adam, in a way this might help the liberal cause to say, hey, this is why this country doesn't work. because there's a certain amount of people that can make up the difference because of our lackluster education but the poor ekids are always going to say poor because they'll never get it. >> i think you're coming over to the other side with liberal propaganda. >> i think what created the problem is the school teachers.

>> good recovery. the conversation taken on the show there's not one data point that explains all of this. some of it is reasonable, some of it is not. i'm a public school parent in chicago where the school district is about to strike. i'm livid about that. but what parent wouldn't be. as charles said, you're spending those things, and is it necessary? i don't know. you certainly think so, good for. you. >> from 2% to 18%. i don't think it's even a question of whether or not it's necessary. the question may be why does it come to that? because i know that i pay pretty high property taxes. i know that in san francisco, that you do. isn't there a way to nip this in the bud. maybe to make the schools more accountable, maybe make the teachers more accountable, adam? >> sure, there's all sorts of way we can improve the situation with the unions. charter schools.

an incredible good approach to charter schools in that california, generally, our property taxes are not high enough. >> i remember that. >> never high enough. >> thanks a lot. our special thanks to charlie. >> he was worried about ebola. and worried about bed bugs all week. >> he won't say anything. >> guys, you know, in school, there are always a few kids who were afraid of tutoring. that's them. by the way, how to pay for that next.

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