confrontation more likely. that is john stossel for tonight. another new show this time next with all of you. his time next the conversation can continue. huckabee starts now. tonight on huckabee. >> get ready. >> america's biggest terrorist threat ever. úisil is sophisticated and well funded as any group we have seen. this is beyond anything we have seen. >> taking the fight to isis. can the terror group be defeated? >>18e] and the entire world is appalled by the brutal murder of jim foley by terrorist group isil. >> on how the president should have acted. and the national outcry. and sense of trust. >> and the evens of ferguson,

missouri opened up racial looms across america. ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. (applause) >> thank you. thank you very much. (applause) >> welcome to huckabee from the the fox news studios in new york. between rounds of golf and with his pals on martha's vineyard. the president slipped on a blazer and pretended to be president. he lamented the murder of jim feelo and ten minutes later he was back on the links holarring fore. a president who puts the

security of the american people above his recreational pursuit. hamas murdered 18 people because they suspected they cooperated with israel. seven of them with no evidence or trial or process. just bloodcold blooded murder and every one of the 11 agreements were broken by hamas. prime minister netanyahu would love a vacation but he stayed on the job directing ólch country military in the difference of their people. and kureds in the northern iraq struggle for adequate food and water and basic necessities. our own southern border no í8ñ door where we should channel tom bo det and we'll leave the light on for you. you rightly might ask. then what should the president

be doing? let me suggest the following. the famous phone and pen he loves to use. make a list of world leaders and nations who can't afford for ooh sis to take over the world and then take the famous phone and instead of making up law, calling those world leaders and ask if they will join in an international effort to eradicate the cancer of isis. it is time for the arab nations in the middle east to get out from behind the robes and step up and stop the threat to their power in the world. time for the saudis and pakistan theis and indian and qatar and turkey and ea e to put up or shut up. americans ought to make it clear, we'll fight isis all that we have, but not shed the blood of one more american woman or man when those near the fight

will not stand. we'll stand with israel and other allies that are fighting for their lives. we are done dying for countries whose muslim leaders are too timid. if the saudis not fight for themselves. we'll bid them good luck and will stand shoulder to shoulder with nations that top feral hogs called isis, hamas, al-qaeda and hesbollah and the muslim brotherhood. we can't believe that what is happening in israel or syria doesn't touch us. that is a dangerous policy. if these radical groups take israel and iraq and the entire middle east, they will not say that's it. that's all we wanted. because they want us. and if we are blind to see it

and too busy to play golf to see it, we'll pay for it with the blood of our children and grandchildren. >> on thursday, secretary of defense chuck hagel said isis wealth and military tactics make the terror group a major threat to the united states. isis can't be defeated without attacking the group in syria joaning us is lieutenant colonel bill cowan. >> thank you, governor. >> why don't we see the participation of other gulf arab nations in standing up against the threat that is much to them as it is tor0]d us immediately? >> that is a great question, they are looking for leadership. they are afraid to take a step on their own, isis will focus on

them. they need to see leadership to step forward to bring them together and help them understand the threat they face and try to work on a coalition and agreement and cooperation between them and certainly united states on a level to go after the threat isis poses. the red line comment was that a green light to isis and putin. they don't mean it. >> and they don't mean. it anybody in the world at that point looked at the united states, the number one world power making an ascertaination we will do something and we will walk away. most of the our friends said we can't trust those guys and the enemies said we don't have to worry about them. >> like a parent said don't make me come up there.

and the kid knows they will not come. that's the way the world is lookingality the united states. as a parent who never backed up a threat. >> it is amazing, governor, i have travelled the world and think back to the administration, we think there is admiration and respect and had a good dialogue with our friends. they knew what we stood for and represented. that no longer exist. >> the people fighting with and for isis are really0h0zp assemb from all over the world including the people from the united states and they are fighting and they have u.s. passports. how dangerous is it for them to get on the next flight to the u.s. and come home. >> the second of defense said it is the most serious threat. we had one young american lived and educated in the united

states and trained withe sis and became a suicide bomber. we have people with passports and no visas required. this burden is not on our military. but on law enforcement and intelligence. it is a big burden. and tracking them to see where they are and where they are and some of them are going to want to come here. and those who don't have a passport may come through with the southern border. >> this is showing where the folks come from. it is an indication. all of those states in red. that's where the fighters are coming from that ended up in syria fighting with isis. p6ññ are not talking about people in the mediterranean. but they come from u.s. and canada and all over the civilized world and doing uncivilized things like the execution and beheading of

a journalist and they were proud of it and put it on tape. that is the most hideous thing we have seen in a while. when you look at a map like that, you never think someone from australia was a member of é isis. even on the list. russia has a lot of people from chechnya and that represents the threat that the united states faces and it is imminent and enormous and this white house and this pentagon unfortunately have not yet begun to address it. >> colonel. i don't understand why members and senior members of the u.s. military have not publicly resigned in protest, privately we hear how unhappy many of the military people are with the lack of policy direction and clarity. do you think it is going to happen? why won't someone say i will not

disobey an order but i will not follow orders that are not in the best interest of the united states. >> i wish i had an answer. we lived by principle and led our lives by. i wish our senior leaders will do. that we have seen a degeneration of the military under the current leadership. they would like to resign but they are doing things and forced to participate in things that they don't really believe in and they do it for their own self preservation and hope they will get a star. it is a straj straj and affects everyone of us. we'll pay for it for a long time. >> that's what i fear we will pay for it for a long time. >> thank you for your service to this country and your honor and integrity. (applause) >> the united states doesn't pay

ransom to terrorist that abduct americans but allies in europe do. should we pay ransom or convince allies to take our approach. i will ask jim hiens. >> go to my website. mikehuckabee.com. you can connect with me on facebook and sign up to follow my regular messages

>> my next guest was against sending ground troops to iraq. joining us is connecticut congressman and member of the house intelligence committee congressman jim hinnies. >> thank you.

>> and let me begin where i left off with colonel cowan. it seems like isis is unlike what we have faced before. it is not just a tribal fight. it is a global fight at least like i see it. do you think that things have changed that th u.s. will have to get more involved than i know you are comfortable with or any of us are comfortable with. >> i object to the language that the colonel or secretary of defense that this is one of the gravest threats to the united states ever. they are brutal and isis are a pestilence x. there are 10,000 that are taking advantage of assad of syria and the appalling behavior maliki inu+hxç iraq to the ground. i personally support going after these guys and we have.

neither you or the colonel acknowledged after the killing of jim foley there was a series of a strikes that made the day bad for isis. and we should be after the guys and working with our allies to do away with terrorist groups. we need to be careful and you said it well, essentially become the military for regimes in the area and joining the team in the secitarian conflicts that we have. >> i want to ask you. >> isis we are hearing is a huge threat. we hear it from the secretary and you are not sure you agreement the president said they were the jv team pretending to be kobe bryant. are they a serious threat or a jv team. if they are a serious threat our own intelligence didn't pick up

until we saw the beheadings and tens of thousands of christians and yazidis moved to the mountains in curdis stan. >> it is important to talk about isis and not using sports metaphors, they are a threat. look, they are a threat directly. if they want to recruit people and make a splash. they might smuggle the explosive in the united states. they are destabilizing jordan and right next to the state of israel. we have a significant problem. but the reason we need to be careful how we talk about. if we think they are the nazis áre us to spend trillions was dollars and risk tens of thousands of young men and women. we'll find ourselves in a world of like afghanistan and iraq and

a lot of money spent and a lot of young men and women dead because we misunderstood the threat. with isis go after them the way we are right now. look, when they put six trucks in open desert in syria and iraq take them out. but not scaring the americans and say they will be driving through cleveland in 25 years. >> it is a tumor that is small now and grew in the last year. no one talked about isis a year ago. if we don't eradicate them and not just move them back, rrnt we going to look at a larger version of them. they are continually not only rekrauting but training and radicalizing people all over the world. that is a concern we have to face. >> absolutely. and i use the word pestilence that indicates what we ought to do with them.

but don't get overblown so we react inappropriately. they managed to al18ate the saudis and al-qaeda. al-qaeda won't talk to these guys and they are sit nothing a big patch of desert exposed. yes, they emptied banks and emptying jails and recruiting. but they put them in an una takenable. you don't see millions of people saying i want to sign up with these guys. yes, we should help eradicate them but not think it is it strategic threat. >> congressman, i have to ask you about the process of dealing with negotiating with terrorist, the brother of jim foley suggested that maybe we ought to change our policies and negotiate. is that the right way to go. ] paying;ë ransoms and giving up

something to work with people like isis and can they be worked with? >> governor, the answer is straightforward. no, right? and i say that with a lot of humility. the moment you enter into the transactions and ransom you created a horrible business model. if jim foley was one of my daughters, i don't know how i could sit here and say what i said. the answer is no. sending them money will empower them. >> i couldn't agree more. if it was our child we would have a different attitude. but we put more americans at risk once we give them the credibility of negotiating. they will never honor a deal and we see that over and over. i think you are spot on when it

comes to the idea of rejecting. thanks for coming on. we appreciate. it >> thanks. >> president obama has a lot of criticism for playing golf minutes after holding a press conference on the beheading of foley. we'll ask

>> in martha's vineyard president obama concluded the brief press conference saying all of us mourn the loss of jim

feelo. at 1:05 he was teeing off at the golf course. it brought outrage from all sides. media outlets blasted his decision. he golfed again thursday. and on saturday. he played golf. i spoke to former white house press secretary danna pirenno how all of the golf sends a message. >> i have played the game for six years and i realizes that no one listens to me. i made a prediction that there would be no golf tomorrow because there was a somber and it was a somber moment for america and i assumed that the president of the united states would lead us in that sobri atty. they have done several press

conferences that start at 12 time time 45 and end at 1 o'clock and then the president has arrived in the dpofl course at 1:06. most americans don't care about him playing golf. but the problem for a leadership and perspective stand point. if you are going to do something. make sure you don't have a picture that you don't want to be seen. just the family and the foley family in tears crying while the president of the united states is smiling and having a good time with buddies, that is a position that was hard and if i was press secretary on that day i would advised. you get one veto of a jury pool. and as a press secretary that is one veto and i would have said no golf today. we'll find you something to do fun and nice with your family or

buddies, but not where you get a picture taken of you having a great time on a sober day for america. >> it is different for a president to be on vacation and at martha's vineyard and huddled up with his senior advisors and making calls all over the world. i don't think anybody would say that is inappropriate and he has to do that in the situation room. >> the presidency travels where he is. >> i think that is the point. he could have stayed in martha's vineyard. but you can't call world leaders between swings of a golf club. >> the president did his business in the morning they say. my recommendation would be. just for the next two years choose vacation spots that are secluded. martha's vineyard is a place to

mingle and get outside on the golf course and do that type of thing. maybe they need to find a place that is less likely for them to be photographed and in serious moments. i do not begrudge him having time off in the summer. but the president is always the president where he goes and he can do what he needs to do, but if you are not seizing the moment to lead the world on a day that needed it. you are making mistakes. i don't think it is from the staff, governor. i think this comes from the top. >> law enforcement from ferguson, missouri coming under fire for the handling of the protestors. how do police draw the line between keeping the peace and adding fuel to the fire. a former police chief

>> attorney general holder. he realized how humiliating it was to be stopped bite police when he was younger. is there a war on black men of america. joining me is the good to have

all of you here today. nelle, isb&cu there a war on bl men in this! >> no, i don't feel like it is a war. i feel like it is terrorism. we have a small group of people is psychologically terrorizing the black community. >> would that be al sharpton and people taking advantage of them. there seems like they attempt to stir people up and create the tension. >> they left that boy's body lying in the street for four hours. that is psychological terrorism committed on the community of ferguson. and so when you say. when you say that there are people coming in to inflame the tensions. they left their body. and that is a disrespect for human life.

if we hadé>eq)e respect for all colors. >> first of all psychological terrorism is a american journalist head beam. don't try to invent those things. to make it a mistake in procedure. should the police cover the body yes. but does that mean for loot anything burning down their neighborhood. >> a man was left. >> this doesn't happen in other cities. eric campbell was choked. they didn't leave his body for the community to walk on. did they riot and loot their own neighborhood. it is not a war. it is a war on black media itself it. >> tarra, hold on, bob, in relationship to this conversation. you mentioned and i don't think we are talking enough about it.

the damage done in that community. there are real people who tell us what happen. you did research on it. >> i want to really give voice tona tasha cornel who lives two blocks, from the sight of the violence. half of the protestors are not from this area. we don't have anymore stores to buy anything because they are burned down. my 20-year-old is running from home because of terror. it is not a race issue. it is people who want to come in and vent and loot. they are the -- let me tell you what is happening right now. latasha and the public bus system stopped because people shot at the bus. the damage to property values, 30 businesses burned down and that means they can't go to work. 11,000 kids not going to school. and so we have the assurance of

premiums. no one will rebuild in that community. we have a systemic destruction of a people and one other danger that happen inqcv?]ó=ácincinnat you keep demonizing the police, what will happen, they will boycott those high- crime areas and in cincinnati what happened the police say if we are accused of racism we'll not enforce the laws. murder rate went up 800 percent in those areas. it is not the son or childrení5f al sharptop. they are not suffering the consequences of the5 it is the local grassroots people who are suffering. >> they are angry and not enforce the law. >> that's what they do when you demonize them. >> why are we defending the bad police. >> it is it a matter of encouraging and let latasha

cornel's come together and decide what is responsible policing and not you or anybody else outside who hustles the problems of people like her. >> people take the law in their own hands and the police and any enforcement agency decide what b going like the attorney general going doesn't enforce the law against the irs. that comes to my mind. 12 people on the michael brown jury, only three are black. jury, only three are black. will the racial

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are women, seven are men. does that make a difference, tara? >> well, i think the fact that there are some blacks on the jury, the grand jury should be representative of the community and that should be fair. i think what's not fair is when you have a state senator there claiming that the riots we saw will be a picnic unless this officer is convicted. >> that seems irresponsible to say that. >> completely irresponsible. completely irresponsible of the government to come in there in an earth to racially pander and saying he wanted a vigorous prosecution. >> that was unfortunate. the city of ferguson is about 80% aftercab american. if you're going to have a jury of peers, that's not a makeup that is really reflective of that community. does that trouble you? >> it doesn't trouble me as much as prosecutor, to be honest. i think the very least thing the governor could do is remove this prosecutor and appoint a special prosecutor. remember, this case is going to be called the people versus

darren wilson. and the people of ferguson have no confidence in their prosecutor. therefore, at the very least the governor could do is give the people, the people who he's supposed to represent a prosecutor they can trust in this case. and if they trust the prosecutor, that will make it easier for the community to accept whatever the grand jury decides. >> i've got to tell you, it seems to me that may not be unreasonable. let me explain. i've been a governor. in a situation like this, you want to deescalate, not escalate. the prosecutor is a man of impeccable integrity. it's not a question of his integrity, it's a matter of perception and whether or not something you do is going to make things better or make things worse. it's the job of government to make it better. would it be better if the governor or prosecutor recuses himself and if not, the governor says i'm not just going to appoint a special prosecutor, but an african-american special prosecutor. i want to take away every image of there being something unfair.

>> i think that's going too far. and it really plays back into it. america is not the america that it was even 40 years ago. in texas some years ago, an all-white jury convicted two wliet police officers for killing a black inmate and sentenced him to life without parole. that would have never happened 40 years ago. we have to acknowledge it. america is not the america of 40 or 50 years ago. and so i really think we can go too far in trying to balance the scales. we should let justice prevail. there are some people, it doesn't matter what the makeup of the jury. they want this man convicted. they don't want justice. >> matthew mcconaughey would do just fine. we need a prosecutor the community actually trusts. >> this da has done nothing to warrant being removed. >> i agree with that. >> we can't let that kind of mentality compromise the justice system. just because he has a familiar

relationship with police, you know how many prosecutors across the country have that? you would disqualify a majority of them. just because of appearances, you can not do that. >> what makes this different? >> change of venue maybe. >> but what makes it different is the fact that the incredible violence that has escalated. and i think that's what we have to look at. >> we can't let that mentality win. >> listen to the community, though. >> you can listen to the community, but the community right now is not rational. >> i have to listen to the director. we have to close the segment. panel, thank you very much. great to have you here. certainly a pleasure. we'll be back with my close thoughts right after this. 9m

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audience. i know they're going to enjoy them. that's it for now. this is mike huckabee from new york. good night and god bless. stay tuned for "justice with nenenenenenenenenenenenenenenen" >> hello. welcome to "justice." i'm justice jeannine pirro. a 24-year-old british national is the leading suspect in the barbaric beheading of american journalist james foley. more on this coming up, but first my open. this is the last straw. president obama's response in both words and actions to the beheading of american james foley was so weak, wimpy and pathetic that it's embarrassing. in times like these, great leaders understand both the enormity and the