no idea. >> all right. poor little guy. >> we'll see you back here in one hour. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> this is "outnumbered." today's hashtag one lucky guy, twitter demanded it, fox news contributor and former spokesperson for the u.s. ambassadors to the u.n., rick grinnel and he's outnumbered. >> how does it feel to be surrounded by all the ladies? >> feels good although they told me i have to put my tush here in the middle of the section. crack on crack. >> one way or the other. is that what you're saying? >> i'll see how it goes. >> don't cross that line. >> social media loves you, by the way. >> i would say some on social media. >> right.

some like to argue with you. >> some don't love me so much on social media but it's social media. it's not your real person, right? you're talking, giving your opinion. i also think twitter, amazing way for people to challenge reporters who are so not used to being challenged. twitter can suddenly put someone in san diego, a mother in san diego, on the same level as a "new york times" reporter. >> now you're here in the middle of "outnumbered." let's get to it. will the people protesting in the streets for weeks in missouri respond to the call for calm from two grieving parents? that is the key question in ferguson, missouri as they prepare to lay 18-year-old michael brown to rest. the funeral is happening right now. that's live on the left side of your screen there. a young black man killed by a ferguson police officer who was white. those facts touched off the initial protests that turned very violent.

and that was back on august 9. now we wait for the facts to surface in everything with a grand jury considering evidence in the case and multiple investigations. michael brown's dad pleaded for peace over the weekend and silence on the day he buries his son. family and friends are saying goodbye at a church in st. louis. we'll bring in mike tobin now with the news live from ferguson for us. mike? >> you know, this is an event for a young man who three weeks ago was obscure and unknown and now his funeral has become a who is who. at the front of the sanctuary of the friendly missionary baptist church, sits a casket adorned with roses and st. louis cardinals ball cap. on the v.i.p. list, spike lee is up to the front of the sanctuary, snoop dog, cabinet secretary johnson, and 485 family members. governor jay nixon is on the list but his office said today that he will not be attending because the governor does not

want to be a distraction. there are e.m.t.'s throughout the audience in case anyone is overcome with emotion and delivering the eulogy will be mike brown's uncle. charles ewing. he has been given 10 minutes to talk. reverend al sharpton has been given 20 minutes. you mentioned that we're at the event called the peace fest yesterday in which mike brown, senior spoke andked the people there for a day of silence, a day of peace in which he can bury his son. back to you in new york. >> you know, mike, i know you've had a chance since you've been there to talk with people. i'm just curious to know, what happens next? after the funeral, the investigations get underway. you have the grand jury considering this. people who have been out peacefully protest, where do they go next? >> i think a lot of it can be summed up in the comments from al sharpton yesterday at the peace fest. he said today mum is the word. keep quiet while the funeral

takes place. tomorrow justice is the word. a lot of attention will go back to the proceedings of the grand jury, the federal investigation that is taking place and we'll see how much emotion returns to the street, harris. >> i mean, i think that's the big question in my mind, you know. do we stay calm from here? meanwhile, live right here as we just shared people, the funeral for michael brown. we'll watch the situation as news warrants and bring it back to you and let you know when we're on it. >> all right. while the united states carries out airstrikes in iraq against the terror group known as isis, there are growing calls to go after them in syria as well. joint chiefs chairman says isis is not a direct threat to the united states right now but could soon become one. he is recommendi ing -- he is t recommending air strikes yet. he said militants need to be stopped now before attacks here at home. >> we need to engage our arab league partners who have as much of a problem and at stake in which as we do.

they'll still cut their heads off and put them on spikes as well. we need to engage them in a more robust campaign against the safe haven in eastern syria and again, continue to engage in iraq. >> i think the purpose of going in to syria is to deal with the threat of the homeland. i don't think we need to meet with asad at all. the goal is to get isil and syria their command and control and logistics centers z. a big back and forth over the weekend whether or not we should dp into iraq, go into syria and whether or not isis is a threat, rick, to america. there's so much conflicting messages. i would love to know what you think about this. first we had dempsey saying not a direct threat to the united states. then mike morrell says we do need to worry. this is the c.i.a. then we just got a statement just minutes ago, dempsey believes that isis is a regional threat that could become a threat to the united states so which one is it? >> they want to have a little

bit of everything. let's be honest. what they're trying to do is be in campaign mode, please the liberal base, do as much as they can to placate the liberal base but make statements in different avenues, different ways to make it look like they're doing something so in case there is, as we saw with benghazi, if there's ever a problem in the future with the direct hit on the united states by isis, they will be able to pull these random statements from other cabinet officials and say, we told you there was a warning but let's be clear. the overall narrative right now is from the white house, from the nfc, we don't have to worry they're not a threat. and it really is a consistent narrative that we've seen through syria. they didn't want to do anything in syria. we had the president of the united states in the rose garden thanking qatar, the qatar during the taliban swap. qatar is funding these guys. you can't thank the quaid ar and then go and put pressure on them to say, by the way, close down the taliban office, symptom

funding hamas, stop sending money to isis. you cannot play both sides and sadly, andrea, the media are going along. they don't get it. >> are they managing that media news cycle, making sure they have their behinds covered, the headlines that they want and they're sending mixed messages. sandra, we talked about this so many times here on the show. we're not on the same page. members of this administration all the way to the president of the united states. >> they're strategically. >> you heard the urgency from mike rogers as he was talking there. you don't hear the urgency from the white house or president himself but mike rogers said isis is one plane ticket away from u.s. shores. but at the root of his criticism and in his words, he said dozens and dozens of missed opportunities have taken place to take the really bad people off the battlefield and rick, he went on to challenge the president saying, take a step back. change your guidance. take on a strategy to not just

disrupt terrorism in syria but to disrupt terrorism globally. there's no long-term, broad based strategy right now coming from this white house on terrorism. >> perhaps the best thing that mike rogers said was to challenge the president that we need a strategy with our arab allies. i'm tired of the media focussing on whether we strike or we don't strike and it's all about military action. where is the lip lo -- diplomac? we need to have a plan that says saudis, you do this. egypt, this is what we want you to do. they're sitting around waiting. of course. of course. the saudis, remember, want a seat on the u.n. security council in november. they were supposed to take over in january. by january the saudis said we don't want to serve on the u.n. security council with the americans because the americans are a mess. when the saudis are calling us out for being a mess on our foreign policy, we've got trouble. >> you brought up building a coalition with our allies.

is there some confusion to who are allies are? if you look at how the united states tried to get involved with the israel conflict with hamas and gaza, we went to qatar instead of going to the saudis so i want to bring you in here because i think what rick was saying earlier is also fascinating. he said they're strategically on different pages sending out different messages today, this administration. isn't that a little troubling? >> it's extremely troubling and i think you hit the nail on the head when you said they're trying to appease the political base. every decision that comes out of this white house seems to be political. they're not looking at long term national security complications and i object to this theory that everyone says i hear it often on tv, the president just doesn't understand the threat. and i want to ask you about that because how does he not understand it? he has intelligence coming in. they're well aware. isis has already said they want to raise the flag of allah in the white house. you have these threats coming in that we're all aware of. is that a reasonable argument

for the administration to be just naive about what's happening? >> i think they're really strategically trying to be naive. they're trying to pretend like it's not an overwhelming threat and i think you hit it on the head when you said, they're being political. you have to remember that our national security advisor, the woman in charge of our national security, was the campaign spokeswoman in 2008 for the obama campaign. she was national security campaign spokesperson. >> guess who is getting advice from her? when you look at it, how much national leadership are these advisors around him? and we already knew we might be getting a president who would learn a lot on the job. but when you put people around you who are also learning on the job, sometimes it can get a lot of confusion, as andrea is pointing out, mixed messages but you're saying on purpose. >> in the second term you have to have a reshuffling.

get rid of people highly partisan and try to govern in the second term for everyone. think about your legacy. don't think about trying to position the administration into hillary clinton's next term. >> we've done the opposite. look at who president obama brought in for the second term? look who has your job? your old job at the state department? a political consultant that has made some really bad decisions on social media. we've got ben rhodes in the white house has a spokesman. who is advising this president? now the question is today, what do we do about isis? what do you think we should do about isis? >> diplomacy. >> when you have "the washington post" asking over the weekend, was vladmir putin right about syria? i think we have a big problem. >> the obama doctrine is either war or ignore. and i think that's the wrong question. you have to have diplomacy first. you can't just decide, are we going to strike? are we going to use military force or not military force? >> but it really seems that the

tone is changing. this isn't just republicans that are urging for more aggressive action on isis or more aggressive action in syria. these calls are coming from the left now. >> i think every day mothers are concerned. they're saying, wait a minute. i thought that the president of the united states is supposed to be consistently strong and do something but we continue to see obama, you know, whether it's the red line during the campaign on syria or now even deliver this gret speech right before he went to the front nine, you know, he went from the back nine to deliver a speech into the front line and nothing has happened. >> when you say mothers, i'm thinking you're thinking of the moms of the young men and women who are fighting. those who are making the ultimate sacrifice. you know what this brings up is how complicated the relationships have gotten since president obama has been in office, whether it's through his policies or just happened over time. you know, we don't have a situation where he can pick up the phone and talk to asad and i

don't know that we want to partner with him anyway. >> you can pick up the phone. >> you have to have a conversation now. isis wants to roll across syria as they have iraq. >> what makes these relationships complicated with these countries, unsnesly. we drew a red line for asad. now everybody is saying -- >> the exact opposite. >> here is a good story for reporters. go poll how many times the commander in chief has called heads of state. embarrassingly low. >> what about the vice president? he was kind of put at the bottom. >> joe biden? >> he has foreign policy experience. >> i don't know that i want joe biden more involved. >> if it was a racial issue or birth control, he would have. maybe if vladmir putin needed plan b or something. president obama is back at work but may need a vacation from his vacation after receiving widespread criticism.

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this was true in 2012 and it's still true. rick, this has been a tough couple of weeks for the president in terms of polling with respect to isis, with respect to the ukraine, with respect to everything, really. what can he point to as we move toward the midterms and say these are democratic successes, this is good, this is what the democratic party has done good and why you should count on us. >> their social media strategy. let's face it. they're way better at it than republicans. you know, hashtag war on women, what was the -- you know, the file full of -- >> spell binders. >> yes. it's all like silly except they're really good at it. and the second that a republican messes up, which they will -- >> they're waiting for it. >> we guarantee. their social media campaign will kick in and they will win it. we've got to be much better at social media than we have been. the romney campaign struggled and i hear from close insiders

that they didn't know how to really change the dialup because the campaign wanted them to play safe. you can't do that with young people. you have to let them out there and let them hashtag away. our state department knows how to do that so why not? i think you'll see illegal immigration, women's issues, traditional democratic issues. >> hot button issues. >> andrea, from a public relations perspective, what should republicans be saying then? how could republicans be reacting to this at a time when barack obama is taking a lot of heat for his response to ferguson, for his response to a lot of things? what can republicans do to excel here? >> if you look at what's happening, we have a terrible part time anemic economy. obamacare has been a wrecking ball to the greatest health system in the world. israel is in a full scale war. vladmir putin is parked outside of ukraine ready to invade. millions of illegals stemming across the border like they're going on six flags great

adventure while the largest terrorist army is marching around in our greatest military equipment. there's no shortage for republicans. they just can't, as we talked about during the commercial break, take the bait and get distraction on the social issues. they'll try to run the same place. they'll wait for republicans to screw up. they have to stay away from the social issues and the messaging is on their side. when you look at polling, how americans feel about immigration and how the president has handled the border, they need to hammer that message home. foreign affairs typically doesn't win midterm elections but points to the fact you have a proceeds not which is a true and very potent election year. >> don't minimize the fact that they're going to try to push the economy and try to push the economy in a big way. by they, i mean democrats. former executive director of the democratic senatorial campaign committee, now a political consultant, may want to rethink that. he's insisting the path back for

obama has been talking about the economy and real world terms. he's saying talk about pay equity, minimum wage, affordable college loans. that might not be a great idea that wages are stagnant, real unemployment rate is still double digits, people are saddled in student loan debt. what really would they be touting about the economy? >> you're exactly right except for the fact they don't have to tout a success. they have to tout an idea. they're going to say we want to make this better for the college kids and republicans will come out against it and the media will be for them. they don't have to show success. they just have to show ideas. >> that's an interesting point. the battle cry has been all along from the g.o.p. and from those who support them, just put your plan out there, whatever your best plan is. put it out there so you can talk positive the about message and not defensively about message. i think for the republican party, and maybe i'm making too much of it but i read this maureen dowd.

it's called the gulf address. just the first line of it, fourscore and seven trillion years ago -- i think for republicans at least for the next little while all the way into october, pop up a picture of the president playing golf. it's got a different tone to it now. and it's a tone deafness that this administration is showing, particularly the white house. >> it is. it used to be the media, some of them and then they would point in our direction, are really being tough on the president. every president vacations, yes. but it is timing. you've got world leaders calling for this president. now the vacation is over, they call for him to come home from the vacation, focus in, pick a crisis. >> i think sandra makes a great point, though, like when it comes to republicans, we're always so frustrated. say this, do this. i think we may need to send sandra in to make the argument.

republicans have a hard time doing so. it's amazing. people in north california are bracing for a series of after shocks at the heart of the wine country under a state of emergency following a powerful earthquake this weekend. our journal itists are there. a debate whether local police should be equip the with military equipment [music]♪

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>> welcome back to "outnumbered." fears of after shocks in northern california after a powerful earthquake rocked the san francisco bay area over the weekend. 6.0 quake hit right in the heart of wine country, napa valley, causing extensive damage to buildings and caused fires from burst gas lines. number of injured rising to over 200 and some of them critically injured. state of emergency still in

effect as dozens of homes and bei buildings are no longer safe to occupy. adam in napa valley. what's the damage you're seeing there? what does it look like? >> you have about 24 hours now to go through downtown and other parts of napa and you're seeing more buildings that have cracks or pieces that they didn't come down yet but an after shock would cause more damage. we showed you this rock. this is a small piece that was inside the building behind me. i'm going to show you. it just crumbles in your hand from just coming down off the building. we're on the corner of main street and clayton in downtown napa. this was a wine cooperative, about four or five smaller wineries had tasting rooms there. i walked by this building with my wife and we talked about going in there one day. it was just an old building redone. a lot of towns have done this in the last 10 years. they redid their downtown, brought businesses back. napa has done that a lot the last five or 10 years and this

is one of those buildings that have been refurbished. it did not handle the situation well. it came down, crumbled and around the corner you can see chunks. it look like wuch those jenga games where someone removed big blocks out of the building. you can see the facade came off but it's red tagged, of course, and have to be brought down because there's no way of saving this building. we're told 110 buildings so far have been red tagged. that's a pretty big price tag for lot of businesses. four or five wineries, restaurants, coffee shops. not only are they losing money from not the ability to be open and have customers but they're never going to be able to go back to this location so it's a very difficult situation here. as we go through yesterday and dealt with the physical injuries, over 200 people injured, now it's more of the broader impact and the money aspect of everything here and the other good thing, if there is a go ahead highlight to this, is how the community has come together that always happens in

these types of things. people offering to help business owners and the second thing this happened at 3:30 in the morning. if this had been 7:30, 8:30 in the evening, these sidewalks would be been teaming with people and people walking around. it's tourism season. even smaller chunks like these, imagine that. that would have done more damage to people than thankfully we saw early yesterday morning. >> i know that this is hitting home for a lot of folks. we have a california resident sitting on the couch right now. you have family there that has businesses there. the wine shops, how are they doing? it's obviously going to be a tough struggle to bounce back from this. what are you hearing? >> yeah. this is my home town. i have a house nearby here. my brother has two grocery stores here. my brother lost $100,000 in his grocery stores but that's nothing compared to the wineries. some are two $4,000 tanks burst

in and their courtyard is red. that's about 2 1/2 gallons per case so it tells you how much wine is will. another winery up the hill says they lost basically 12,000 cases of wine. you know, i mean, you start talking about the money that's lost here, you know, silver oak lost a lot of wine. bigger wineries have the infrastructure to recover. smaller ones, that may be all the line you have and it hasn't been bottled yet so there's no way to recover from that. i think that's what the situation we're finding now is a lot of these wineries, you may see some go out of business because there's no way they can recover from that. they don't have earthquake insurance. you can't afford it even if you can get it. >> it's a tough story and we wish the best for your family out there. thank you for bringing the story to us from the pictures. i want to open this up real quick to our california rbt resident on the couch right now. rick, you're in southern

california now but you felt the quakes before. >> they're never fun. i live on the marina in l.a. and you can see the boats rocking when you get an earthquake. hopefully people can go to napa wineries and buy some wine and really support napa because it's going to be some rebuilding for awhile. >> some of the biggest vineyards getting hit there. tough story, andrea. >> it is. all right. you've seen the images out of ferguson. police armed with military style weapons and armor facing off against protestors. now president obama is ordering a review of the federal programs that help local law enforcement agencies buy such equipment. critics are saying police should not look like they're prepared to fight in iraq but supporters say local law enforcement needs to be armed and ready for any situation. so rick, what do you think about this? this is an area, and i don't think it's limited to republican versus democrat. you see a lot of libertarians speaking out about the militarization of our police forces and looks like a lot of

equipment they're getting is from the pentagon. more than four billion of equipment including armored vehicles, tents, rifles, goggles have been given to the state agencies since 2006. what do you think about that? >> this is equipment no longer needed by the military so why not go to our police department? i think that the bigger issue is how do police, how do they use this? i don't think that you have to pull back and take away the hard equipment. let's just have good training and use it better but if you don't sell it to local police departments, it could actually just be useless and a waste of money. i think it's actually a good program. >> i think it's better to have the equipment, harris, than not have it, especially if there is race riots or an attack. they might need it. i tend to think police make terrible armies and armies make terrible police but there is a debate worth having. >> if we had more of it on the ground in iraq, it would be even more disastrous.

if you're going to try to bring this home, i mean, i would certainly vote for that because look what happens sometimes when you leave it behind. there are a couple of questions that i think are fair that people have. one, why not give it? and i mean this in all sincerity -- to the guys have been to fight off isis right now? there are some real ways to put our equipment with training back on the ground in the hands of people trying to fight an enemy that's become a common one now. if we're not going to fight them over there and they come to these shores, andrea has a good point. you might need some stuff on the streets to protect your own people but the president is looking at this only after people have come out and complained about it. >> and after we brought the equipment home from iraq. >> so what was the preamble to putting it in the police departments? public wasn't notified about it so that i know, but now the president is going to review and look into it after the criticism. >> you need some good priority. we're talking about the militarization of the u.s.

police. wouldn't a more appropriate focus right now be the militarization of that army marching across the middle east? >> that's true but he think he felt that he had to address it and i think he felt pressure because the likes of rand paul and a lot of libertarians and folks on the right had come out and addressed it and he didn't want to seem like he was abandoning the issue. that's why he came out now. there's a provision in here that for some reason requires the police to use this equipment within a year. >> that's my issue. >> there's something wrong with that. i think it could incentivize them to use it. they have all of this stuff so that i think is worthy of addressing. >> i think it's a problem and doesn't mandate training for crowd control and other uses so if they actually whipped out the equipment, which they have to do within a year, is it going to be used inappropriately? i would just challenge that aspect of it. >> all right. an agonizing debate over dealing with hostage takers. the release of one american

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>> you are watching outnumbered and we are glad that you are. the surprise release of an american journalist by islamic terrorists is raising new questions how the u.s. should deal with hostage takers. peter was held captive by an al qaeda linked group in syria. we're not clear who had them when they let him go but he's free now, as of yesterday. just days after another u.s. journalist, james foley, was beheaded in a horrific public display by a different islamic

group, isi si. now fears are growing for another american, possibly two that terrorists are holding. they have threatened to kill him. they did so in the same video if the u.s. air strikes continue in iraq and of course, we know that the air strikes are continuing so the big question is, how do we need with these guys in the future? we went to a third party to get to bowe bergdahl and look at the deal that was made. five taliban commanders let go for that one american. what do we do? >> you can't negotiate with terrorists and really, it's a very tough thing to say to families but the u.s. government cannot be in charge of these individuals buzz then you're going to really encourage foreign governments to come in and take americans. take, for instance, if there's a group inside iran that's holding an american, the last thing you want is for the u.s. government to use this release of an

american in conjunction with the nuclear weapons negotiations on uranium. >> interesting. >> that's the last thing you want. >> you're saying it's a slippery slope in that sense. we've seen this throughout central america where they kidnap people all the time for ransom and they've done it with other americans. usually $2 million, $3 million but in the case of james foley, reportedly the amount asked was upwards of $232 million and they wanted all sorts of releases and then the people reportedly couldn't figure out who they were dealing with on our side. it got very sticky. >> they want to see what we're willing to give up in order to give them what they want. now, i'm curious, rick, from your perspective, should there be a universal policy on this or is this something that you have to handle each situation as it comes? it seems like each situation is different. you're dealing with terrorists but dealing with different groups who maneuver differently so can we have a universal policy? if the government is not in charge of it, who is? >> you shouldn't have a universal policy because of exactly what you say, every

situation is different. you do not want to have the u.s. government in charge of these individuals. they're going to cut deals, they're going to have different -- >> wait. there are going to be big differences. u.s. government can't be in charge of these deals but you're not saying they shouldn't be involved which is very different. >> the families hire private negotiators, attorneys sometimes. >> what if they can't afford to do that, though? >> then sadly. your loved one is not going to get back and you cannot expect the u.s. government to put the full faith and credit of the u.s. government behind. we can't make policy for this one individual. it's sad and i know it sounds very tough but it will risk all of our national security if we're going to make policy for one individual and we're going to oh -- >> especially considering what we're facing now with isis. >> i agree with everything you say, if we start paying them or start negotiating with them, they be they're going to start snatching americans. bowe bergdahl, are they planning

to snatch even more americans? that's why we can't pay them ransom but i do think the way we deal with the p.r. has been fascinating to watch. so bowe bergdahl's parents at the white house rose garden press secretary. >> don't get me started. >> with foley we saw the president make a statement, step on his parents' press conference and then go play golf. so i mean, i know we shouldn't have a policy but shouldn't there be some deck or you mean or protocol when dealing with released americans? >> i see where you're both coming from and i like it and agree with it until it's my family member and all of a sudden, i take on a completely different opinion on this situation and i think the situation is unique for everyone as you pointed out. >> we should have killed at least 10,000 isis members now. it's disgraceful we haven't lit up the nation.

>> people do not need to be motivated, these radical jihadists. they're fired up. nothing we can do will make them more motivated. they only thing they understand is us mowing them down. >> we would love to ask the white house about this. we're going to move on. sony's playstation and its 53 million users up and running again after suffering a major cyber attack. more on who did it and what was behind the intrusion ahead. and some pediatricians have a new suggestion when it comes to teenagers and their health. they say it will boost success in the classroom, too. it's all about what time they should roll out of bed, yeah, and go-go. h. heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot.

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test. >> i may be outnumbered but now it's my turn with this story. >> it's very outnumbered because it's not my turn. >> you are outnumbered. >> go for it. >> they say waking up early leads to success but not for teenagers. a group of pediatricians is saying since teens suffer chronic sleep loss, middle and high school students should start classes a little early, like 8:30. the research found giving teens more time to ease into their day

improves their mental and physical health and their academic performance. >> you meant later. they want them to start later. a little >> yeah. a little bit later. what i want to know, since this side of the couch doesn't have children -- >> but she taught. >> i taught them, though. >> but this is all about parenting, i think. >> i agree. >> i think the government needs to stay away and if your kid isn't doing well, get them in bed a little earlier. >> i agree >> that's a novel idea. >> what do mothers think? >> how about showing leadership at home and saying, look. you'll lose privileges if you're not in bed by a certain hour. if your keep your kids active, they'll be tired. >> they need to fail a little bit, too, don't you think? they need to go to school, fall asleep, the teacher yell at them, get an f and then the mother says you've got to get it together. >> deal with me when you get home. >> when is the last time you were kids? am i the only one that sides with the teenagers? i think 9:00 a.m. is a great

start time. >> really? >> yes. do you remember how tired you were in school? i was falling asleep during study hall. i think teenagers -- >> how late were you out? how late were you out? >> i was working at my parents' restaurant. here's the thing. young kids, get them to start early. they're up with the chickens anyway. let the teenagers start at 9:00 because they're more tired. >> disagree with you. >> they're all falling asleep in class. >> kudos for you for working in your family business but i don't think that's the situation for everyone who stays up too late in school. my dad is listening. i had an 8:00 bedtime. i'm not kidding you. through high school. it was lights out. >> that's early. >> high school? >> i swear on my life. >> wow. that's early. >> my mom used to say, go to early. i'm shirley. >> it's not so much when school starts but it's that homework that comes back. i've got kids who do homework late into the evening and that's

got to end, i think. >> here's the thing, though. as a teacher, universally when you look at classrooms, first period kids are zoned out. when we would have late start days, when you would have -- >> what age? >> high school age. i was dean of a high school. when you would have a field trip day or different schedule and they were able to come in at 9:00, that first period you had sharp kids. >> that's right. >> you would be looking out and saying, why are all the kids awake? >> for a day. for a day. then all of a sudden, kids start going to bed later and there's a domino effect. >> i would be like different. >> but i was sleep deprived, too, when i was in high school. >> most teenagers are tired. we're going to have to start the show later. all right. so more outnumbered in a moment. though first let's go to jon scott with what's in the second hour of "happening now." >> harris, thank you. next hour, libya demands

international help. it says it can no longer keep the assets protected from dangerous militias. those include old fields, airports, other state owned properties. others have say they've taken control of tripoli. ex lotion at a recycling plant in illinois leaves at least two dead. it is believed a discarded mortar shell blew up. another person was injured. the bomb squad and firefighters on scene at the total metal recycling plant. sony says its playstation network service for video games is up and running again after being down because of an online attack. we have the breaking details. that and a whole lot more news "happening now" in the next hour. >> see you then. thank you, jon. a coffee shop in north dakota is brewing a profit. cute. it's running on the honor system. no baristas for this place. just a slot for cash and checks. do you think this would work in your city?

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is love this story. one north dakota coffee shop putting trust in the customers. allowing patrons to serve themselves and the honor system seems to be working out all right. people are paying more for the coffee. do you think that would work in

your neighborhood? >> i don't think so. i think people would be walking out and pocketing the boxes of tea and carrot cake. but in north dakota it is a great idea. barristas are not working there. but as a owner they are making. >> this is a novelty in the beginning, but people aren't going a long. >> i know people who are on a guest pass in a gym for two years. they try to get away. >> how does it work? no one makes your coffee. you are serving yourself. >> i can do that at home and i don't have to pay. >> i don't pay. >> they are finding on the honest system people are rounding up. >> i hope so. >> makes me want to move to

north dakota. >> that is. hey, rick, thanks for joining us. outnumber over time on the web. fox news.com/outnumber and click on the over time tap. here's "happening now" now. >> fox news alert and funeral services for michael brown underway now in st. louis, missouri. crowd is estimated to be in the thousands there to remember the man killed by police. and this is "happening now". and it is a fox news alert that you have, jon. >> funeral services are underway as we said a moment ago. the crowds are in the estimated in the thousands. michael brown unarmed seen killed by the police and reverend a l sharpton taking