and please always remember the spin stops right here in l.a. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, confusion and and contradiction coming from washington with the white house sharing some mixed messages about the world's most brutal terror group and the threat to america. welcome to welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn i'm megyn kelly. it's been almost a it's been almost a week since the world watched in the world watched in horror as the the terror army knowns a isis beheaded an american journalist in a message to the united states. suddenly the suddenly the administration was forced to come up with new answers about what answers about what to do with the group the president described as described as junior varsity just eight eight months ago. at first the at first the administration seemed seemed measured. wanting wanting to stay the course. but by but by last thursday the message had had become much more dire. >> this is

>> this is beyond anything that we've we've seen. so we so we must prepare for everything. ever and the only way you do that is and the only way you do that is you take a you take a cold steely hard look at i at it. and and get ready. the the immediacy is in the number of of europeans and other nationalities who have com nationalities who have come to the the region to become part of that that ideology. those folks go those folks go home at some point. it's because of it's because of open borders and immigration immigration issues. it's an it's an immediate threat. >> beyond a >> beyond anything. prepare for prepare for everything. it is an immediate it is an immediate threat. that message is that message is pretty clear. so why so why then did the chairman of the joint the joint chiefs, the man you just just heard second there, yesterday appear to yesterday appear to walk that back saying back saying yesterday off camera isis is more isis is more of a regional threat and is not threat and is not currently planning any planning any attacks on the united states or united states or europe. our own ed our own ed henry just filed this

report. >> megyn, af >> megyn, after a vacation that featured nine rounds of featured nine rounds of golf, president o president obama's aides today tried a tried a mulligan, or a doover about the about the original comments back to the to the new yorker back in january in which he january in which he claimed terrorists terrorists like isis were merely the jayvee squad. the jayvee squad. josh earnest today josh earnest today incysting the president was president was not sickling out isis but isis but opining about different threats posed by threats posed by various extremists. extremists. meanwhile, the white house meanwhile, the white appears to be appears to be tweaking what general martin dempsey said last thursday when thursday when he and defense secretary chuck hagel secretary chuck hagel issued dire warnings dire warnings about isis. you'll remember you'll remember dempsey said the only way to actually only way to actually defeat isis was to go was to go in to syria with the u.s. u.s. military. dempsey now dempsey now clarifying that isis is just is just a regional threat. and he's and he's not sure about u.s. military military action. officials deny that officials deny that dempsey was pressured though they are pressured though they are vagu on whether they agree with what on whether they agree with what he he originally said about syria military military action.

listen. >> he >> he suggested we have to go into syria if we're going to defeat defeat isis. does the president does the president agree with that? >> again, what i would >> again, what i would go back to is the to is the president's stated strategy for strategy for dealing with isil, which which is to remember that there are more are more tools in the tool box than just than just military force. >> you're saying >> you're saying you have to go into syria into syria to defeat them, does the president agree with that? >> again, what i think he was saying is there are a range of sa ways for us to confront this threat, we need to con fropt this threat in a sustainable way. it can't be it can't be just brute u.s. military military force. >> >> republican lindsay graham said the administration is pressuring pressuring leaders from going back after back after isis in full throttle because the because the administration doesn't want to admit it's had a failed strategy in dealing with isis. president's aides president's aides reject that notion though they have been all notion though they have been all over the map on isis originally over the map on isis origi suggesting they were suggesting they were the jayvee squad, last week squad, last week suggesting actually isis was even worse

than than al qaeda pre-9/11. now they're now they're saying they're not quite sure quite sure about the threat. megyn. >> ed >> ed henry, thank you. so so what's going on here? lieutenant colonel ralph lieutenant colonel ralph peters is a fox news is a fox news strategic analyst and he and he thinks he knows. ralph, the chairman of the joint ralph, the chairman chiefs is not supposed to be messing with the information in order to assuage political concerns. so what do you believe is so what do you believe is the likelihood that somebody likelihood that somebody took general general dempsey out behind the wood shed over wood shed over the weekend and said what are said what are you saying the threat threat is imminent for. >> >> they took him out behind the wood shed and for wood shed and for an extended period. but let's reason, but let's reason, megyn, he deserved it. deserved it. because general dempsey because general dempsey committed the committed the greatest sin you can commit in the can commit in the obama administration last week. administration las he told the truth. he told the truth that isis is a growing threat to the united states. that the border no that the border no longer exists between syria and iraq. that you can't that you can't defeat the

islamic state without going islamic state without going into syria. that we have to be that we have to be worried about the thousands of the thousands of westerners who have flocked have flocked to them. and that just and that just doesn't go with them being them being a jayvee team or the administration's administration's narrative. and if and if general dempsey and secretary hagel secretary hagel are right, obama would have to do would have to do something. so so with a wave of the president's magic golf president's magic golf club, suddenly suddenly we're back to it's not an immediate threat, it's not a threat to the u.s. threat to the u.s. megyn, allfully megyn, allfully pansy aside, this reminds this reminds me when i was in the pentagon the pentagon in the late clinton years, and maybe years, and maybe used the same words but words but basically the clinton administration administration insisted that al qaeda could never qaeda could never really attack the united states the united states because they were jayvee. were jayvee. >> >> they seem all over the board on on this, ralph. i can't keep up with the i can't keep up with the changing changing stories about isis. the the jayvee comment is just -- it's very problematic it's very problematic for this administration. administration it's not like that it's not like that was three years ago. year that was in january when the black flag of isis was flying

over fallujah and they said that. so the question so the question is whether you think president obama is think president obama is disengaged, is he disengaged, is he unprepared, is he he disillusioned right now as some some suggest? >> well, i think he's >> well, i think he's sulking. i mean, he's just i mean, he's just not going to clean his clean his room and you can't make him and you can't make him clean up his room. his room. he's such a child. he's such it's really alarming because he needs to get out of this snit and do something. to be fair to obama, and i want to be fair to him, i think it really hurt him badly, megyn, that he got so muchagelation early on, that he got that ridiculously wildly premature nobel prize before he'd done anything. and he expected and he expected -- i think he sincerely expected his personal charm would work on the whole world including islamist terrorists. so he put our so he put our military on ice and was and was -- said some nice things about about islam. that the terrorist threat would that the terrori go away. this man came to office with the worst level of naivety about the

way -- >> it wasn't just president obama who felt that way, ralph. it was a lot of folks who voted for him and were war weary and thought if we took a different approach maybe we would get a different result. >> well, yeah. and i think, you know, the american media were so resolutely anti-bush that no matter what bush did it was going to be wrong. the bush administration made countless mistakes. and i criticized them when they did. di but let's make no but let's make no mistake, you know, if know, if bill clinton had to -- the left would have the left would have celebrated him him as the greatest liberator since abraham since abraham lincoln. the problem the problem wasn't so much what bush did bush did but who did it. >> let me >> let me ask a question. there's a report there's a report coming out in tomorrow's "ne tomorrow's "new york times" that two of our two of our allies, our supposed allies in the allies in the middle east, egypt and the and the uae, have teamed up to bomb libya bomb libya without keeping us in the loop. the loop. here's a quote here's a quote from the article, twice in the last seven twice in the last seven days

egypt and the egypt and the uae have secretly teamed up to teamed up to launch air strikes against against islamist-allied militias for control of for control of tripoli, libya, four four senior american officials said. the united states, the the united states, the officials said was said was caught by surprise. both acted both acted without informing washington washington or seening its consent consent leaving the obama administration on the administration on the sidelines. what does that say what does that say to you about where america stands in the wh world right now? >> well, it means that our allies, egypt and the united arab emirates don't trust us anymore. they were afraid that if they told us that the obama they were afraid that if they administration would either leak told it to the qataris and turks or we'd try to stop them. and obama left an utter mess in libya. the the egyptians live next door. united arab emirates is united arab emirates is worried about the rise about the rise of islamic extremism. and what does the and what does the obama administration administration do? keep keep egypt at arm's length and cozies up to the cozies up to the qataris, to the

turks turks who back the muslim brotherhood and brotherhood and who gave free passes through passes through turkey to the people who became the islamic state state terrorists. i i mean, gutted absolutely upside down, but down, but the bottom line is our allies can't trust allies can't trust us, our enemies don't fear enemies don't fear us. and you and you can't blame that on bush. >> ralph, good to >> ralph, good to see you. >> thank you, >> thank you, megyn. >> joining >> joining us now with the other side, larry side, larry korb. former assistant secretary of former assistant s defense. larry, your take on what larry, your take on what seems to be a to be a shifting message from the administration on the administration on isis and what kind what kind of threat it poses to us. >> well, >> well, there's no doubt about the fact the fact that they were surprised that the surprised that the iraqi military folded so military folded so quickly. i think if the i think if the iraqi military had fought had fought the way that they should have we would not be should have we would not be sitting here sitting here saying, gee, look how good how good isis is because not only did only did they fold, they got all the equipment which the equipment which they then used to almost used to almost get into -- >> but >> but the administration has been warned in recent months by the the iraqis saying this threat is

growing, isis needs growing, isis needs to be bombed, we need your our own intel our own intel forces were telling the president you have to watch this group, there's a rising threat, we need to be ri wor worried. and we didn't do anything. >> well, worried. and we didn't do anything. >> well, again, what the president president said, and i think it was correct, was correct, is until maliki goes, the goes, the sunnis won't fight. and eventually no and eventually no matter how long you stay, long you stay, they're going to have to fight for their own country. and and i think because of that the pressure that pressure that maliki did step down and down and the long-term outlook i think is think is much better than it would have been if we had would have been if we had in -- in -- >> but look at syria. i get your point i get your point on iraq. there was pressure in some there was pressure in circles for us circles for us to go into syria early early onto help these resistance fighters. he didn't want to do he didn't want to do it. then this then this transformation occurred occurred within that group and now isis has basically taken over. over now we have the chairman of the joint chiefs saying just last thursday we're not going to get rid of isis unless we bomb syria, but we're not prepared to do. shouldn't we have just gone in

shouldn't we have just gone in earlier? the administration's the administration's taking fire for for putting us in a position now where we where we now have an islamic caliphate whose eventual goal caliphate whose eventual goal is to come after the to come after the united states and should we have done something sooner? >> well, >> well, again, the question is what. what. because if we had sent arms in like like the saudis did originally to the to the so-called moderates, they ended up in the ended up in the hands of isis. isis much isis much better fighters. and and what happened was assad let them alone and them alone and went after the moderates. can you imagine what can you imagine what would have happened if we happened if we sent sophisticated weapons to sophisticated weapons to the so-called so-called moderates and then isis isis captured them including what some people what some people were arguing i similar man similar man techs. >> first we heard they were jayvee. then last then last week we had catastrophic talk from chairman of the joint chiefs and secretary of defense. secret and now yesterday seemed to be, oh, well, it's only a regional thing, don't worry. >> again, i would disagree that

somehow or another the president could get the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff to change his mind. >> really? >> yes. >> you don't think he could have been wood shedded? >> no. >> really? >> because again under the law, under the law which we did after vietnam when a lot of people felt the chiefs weren't honest, they have a fixed term. they cannot be fired. >> you can't fire him, but he can certainly make clear his displeasure. >> general dempsey's going to >> general dempsey's goi retire in 2015, there's nothing you can do -- and i mean the whole idea of the -- the military, whatever you may think, the military didn't support the surge under bush. so they have their own views. you can't make them do anything. and that's enshrined into law. and general dempsey and that original thing did also say eventually it's going to have to be a regional way to deal with this. >> he >> he did and he said on thursday that the and u.s. was not going to be going into syria and bombing it. it was going to be a coalition

if anything. if larry, good to see you. >> nice to see larry, good to see you. >> nice to see you. >> up next we'll speak with the marine corps marine corps veteran getting national attention after national attention after he sent a very clear a very clear message to this terror group. terr wait until you hear this. plus, we have live crews keeping an eye on ferguson, missouri, tonight after thousands attend a funeral for the 18-year-old killed by police, michael brown. and we will hear from one of the folks now speaking up for the officer who was behind the gun in that shooting. and see what happened to her after she started defending darren wilson, the police officer. plus, trace gallagher live in plus, trace gallagher live in napa as the west coast braces for possible for possible aftershocks. trace. >> megyn, we're going to show >> megyn, we're go you all the damage. and it is extensive. but we're also going to show you something i had never seen in an earthquake until today. the earth actually moved. it's fascinating. and it's coming up.

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breaking tonight, new breaking tonight, new details in the hunt for the details in the hunt for the isis terrorist seen on terrorist seen on video executing american executing american journalist james foley. among the suspects is former british british rapper, abdel majed abdel bary. the state department saying it is looking at voice recordings. it's also looking closely at the video of foley's murder for clues. while the while the killer hid behind the mask, he mask, he did not cover his hands. and counterterrorism and counterterrorism sources say that that may have been a critical mistake. they say anything they say anything from skin tone to the to the pattern of veins in his hands can help hands can help them id this guy. even before the even before the horror of the

foley foley murder, one marine corps vet vet was sending this message to this group by this group by posting an open letter in the letter in the world of social media that media that isis loves to use so much. much. he wrote he wrote in part, "do you really think you stand a chance on u.s. soil? do do you really think it would be smart to poke that bear? you you attack us and there is no mercy." nick nick powers a marine corps veteran who veteran who served in iraq in 2006 and he wrote 2006 and he wrote that letter. nick, good to nick, good to see you tonight. and and this thing has gone completely viral what you wrote comp back to isis. my own feeling is many of us feel somewhat disempowered when we see this kind of barberism and we don't understand how we can possibly combat it. you look at them and as you wrote to them in your letter, "as i sit here watching you execute women, children and men in the middle east, i chuckle. and you explained why you had that reaction. explain. >> >> well, it's to go along with what he what he said. a a lot of people feel disempowered. i noticed i noticed isis was using social

media to get their word media to get their word out and to to put that fear in people's hearts so hearts so they can try and control it. control it. the whole thing with the whole thing with terrorism is they control with fear. the reason why the reason why i chuckle is because they're because they're bullying the weak. they're in they're in locations where people aren't trained to fight back. back. and and here in the united states in 2012 we 2012 we had 21.2 million veterans veterans who have been trained to fig to fight and are willing to stand up for stand up for that threat. >> so you're speaking to, you know, know, the notion that they might come come here. by the by the way, i want viewers to know that know that despite the administration is administration is walking back there's an immediate threat to the united states, the former deputy director of the cia mike morell has been out including yesterday saying they do want to hit america, establish the caliphate and then come here. but you're providing some perspective on whether they could do that. and you say, as i just said, if you came here, do you really think you would stand a chance on u.s. soil? when people think about that though and they look to 9/11, how do you debunk those fears?

>> well, from what they're saying is that they're going to raise their flag over the white house. and that's and that's comical to me. you're you're talking about 21.2 million veteran million veteran who have had their hands tied their hands tied with the rules of engagement that we've had to play by when play by when they don't play by the the rules. and the and the roes have dissorely limited the mission limited the mission capability that our military's had -- >> >> limited engagement? >> the >> the rules of engagement causing our men and causing our men and women to get shot and they have to shot and they have to look for a response before they can shoot response before they can shoot back. back. when you're when you're going up against a group like group like isis and do all the things we've been things we've been fighting against for 13 years, it's really hard to really hard to accomplish anything when you're bound by those those rules of engagement. >> i know you say when >> i know you say when you watch things things like what happened to jim foley, foley, isis' gains in iraq in particular, you feel mad, particular, you feel mad, feel angry. feel angry. explain. >> furious. it's >> furious. it's disgusting to me that there's people on this there's people on this planet

who think that executing people who by cutting their heads off is a way of spreading their message. you know, it's really disturbing to me that these extremist groups would even try and publicize something like that. but it goes along the whole thing with terrorism's mission is to create fear and chaos. that's how they control. >> and so if you want to leave the viewers with one thought tonight on this group, what is it? >> >> the one thought would be is, you you know, the united states as one can't one can't fight this global problem. you know, you know, the entire world needs to come together to come together and both republicans and democrats need republicans an to stop arguing and make a plan to get with our nato allies, to start assaulting the problems where they're beginning. >> nick, thank you for your service. thanks for being here. >> thank you, thanks for being here. >> thank you, megyn. well, we also have big news breaking tonight on the irs scandal. and the and the e-mails we were told were were lost, gone, completely beyond beyond recovery. really? plus, we are plus, we are live next with new scenes scenes of damage from the worst quake to quake to hit california in some

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new developments tonight out of northern california where san francisco's bay area was struck with the most powerful earthquake in 25 years. look at this. look at that surveillance video, showing the 6.0 magnitude rated quake that rattled california's famed wine country early sunday morning. nearly 200 people were sent to the hospital. here's the before and after photo of a historical building in napa, the heart of wine country now badly damaged. one day later residents are bracing for the next big one that could pose potentially more damage. and the question now is when,

where and what are the odds of that. trace gallagher live in napa tonight. trace. >> reporter: i got to tell you, megyn, we thought the big one would come from the granddaddy of all faults, but now you realize this one was a very little known fault and it packed a big, big punch. so that tells us the big one if it ever comes could come from virtually anywhere. we had a couple aftershocks today, small ones but still a little unnerving especially when you look across and see some of these stones on top of these structures that look like they're just about to come down and anything could set them off. that's probably why this building has been red tagged. and 16 others down here also red tagged, which means you cannot go in them until a structural engineer says the building has integrity and you can go in and clean the things up. everywhere you go in downtown napa there is yellow crime scene tape. it is everywhere, but the truth is that some businesses down here are simply waiting for inspector to come and give them a rubber stamp and they can open

up. others have such severe damage it could be months, maybe years before they open back up. we went across town to a winery today, it's a historic old building. it's amazing. it was built in 1886, the oldest wood building in napa. and as you can see these pictures, this thing is tilting very hard to the right. it looks like it's about to fall down. but the owners say they want to try to keep it. listen. >> we're going to shore up it quickly as we can. full restoration will take a while. shoring up is going to happen in the next few days. >> reporter: and see what happens is you have to shore this thing up and it could take months, maybe years, they might not be able to save it at all. we also went across town, i saw something i'd never seen covering a bunch of earthquakes, megyn, we saw an example of something you just need to watch. play this. >> the severity of damage to buildings is always a good indicator of how power ft the earthquake is, but it's often difficult to illustrate the earth actually moving.

it kind of moves in waves like if you shake a blanket. but look at this. the street right here and the sidewalk over here showing the earth actually colliding together and pushing up. >> the wine country quake pushing the earth together. an amazing scene. 100 buildings still yellow tagged unable to get in, megyn. this place got hit very, very hard. >> that's extraordinary. trace, thank you. coming up next, we will go to ferguson, missouri, to speak with one of the folks now speaking up for the officer who shot 18-year-old michael brown. and see what happened to her after she started defending officer darren wilson. wait until you hear what she has to say. plus, the naacp has a brand new president, and he is here next. the road. it can bring out the worst in people. but the m-class scans for danger, corrects for lane drifting, and if necessary, it will even brake all by itself.

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breaking tonight, we are watching the streets of ferguson, missouri, after michael brown was laid to rest today. and his family called for peace in the streets tonight. mike tobin streaming live from ferguson. mike. >> reporter: megyn, what stood out in my mind, it's the if the time we heard the leadership stand up and give a slap to the demonstrators. al sharpton saying it was wrong to go busting up buildings while the parents of mike brown were trying to grieve. >> can you imagine they're heartbroken, their son taken, marginalized, and they had to stop mourning to get you to control your anger like you more angry than they are. >> reporter: and now we're at a point where the businesses here want to reopen and rebuild but

they can't because no one's seen a dynamic like this before. no one can say when it will be over. and they want to keep their staff on, but they're not generating income. particularly sam's meat market and red's barbecue, they're paying the staff out of their own pocket just so they don't lose that staff. megyn. >> mike, thank you. we are hearing new calls from the naacp for the removal of the st. louis county prosecutor handling the michael brown case. the same demand came up last week when missouri state senator came on this program. i asked her to explain why she believes the democratically elected prosecutor cannot do his job. four times the people of st. louis have said, yes, he can. >> african-americans didn't vote for him. >> you keep saying that, but you won't answer my question. how are you going to find somebody -- that's why we have elections for these positions. >> megyn, what we can do is we can find someone we know would

be fair and impartial. because at the end of the day the community, mainly the black community, they've had issues with him in the back. >> joining me the new president and ceo of the naacp. mr. brooks, thank you very much for being here. >> good evening. >> you heard that discussion. her principle objection was that the black community does not support this county prosecutor. but as i pointed to the state prosecutor, that's what elections are for and this guy's won repeatedly. >> the question is not a matter of the black community or the white community, but communities of conscious. and the issue is that the county prosecutor has been elected several times, that only proves his ability as an elected official. not his ability to render justice impartially and object to it. >> but it's one in the same when you hold his office. the reason they're putting you in office is because they believe you can effectively and fairly do that job. >> here's the record, he's been elected four times. but there are five outstanding civil rights complaints before

the justice department that he's not acted on. that he's not responded to. the fact of the matter is there are people who are black, who are white, who are latino and otherwise who do not believe that because of his personal connections to the police department and his record of nonresponsiveness to civil rights issues, that he can render justice impartially. >> my point is only that if those objections were present and there was a belief that he could not treat a case fairly because the audience should know his father was -- who was a police officer was murdered by a black man back in the 1960s. something that was not a secret when he ran for office any of those times. if there was a belief in the community that he could not be trusted to handle a case involving a white defendant and a black victim as some believe this case involves, then they wouldn't have put him back in office. but he was overwhelmingly re-elected including four days before michael brown was shot. >> megyn, the issue here is not his racial biography, but his objective record.

we have five outstanding civil rights complaints regarding police brutality, harassment and intimidation before the u.s. justice department that's he's not responded to. that's the record. >> what do you mean by that? if they're with the doj, they're with the doj, and i'm sure eric holder's looking into it. >> but these complaint concerns, police departments within his jurisdiction, that he's well aware of and that he could have responded to. that's the record. i'm not entirely sure that the majority of the electorate is well aware of that. but the record stands. and the record needs to be responded to. >> are you aware, sir, that eric holder's department of justice has had trouble on the other side in its prosecution of law enforcement officers, in particular there was a case just in october of 2013 where a federal judge in louisiana had to order a new trial for five cops who were convicted by eric holder's doj because the department of justice under mr. holder found, and this is from the judge that they engaged in

skal dug ri, which is basically fraud and lying by the doj prosecutor. you're never going to find the perfect prosecutor. >> this is not about finding the perfect prosecutor. maybe today. with michael brown's family gist having lay their son to rest, our focus needs to be laser like on seeking justice on behalf of michael brown for his family. we need -- >> but seeking justice period. would you accept that? >> seeking -- the effort is always to seek justice. and to seek the truth wherever it may take us. >> correct. >> but the fundamental facts are these, we have an armed adult with a gun and a badge who meets an unarmed teenager. the teenager is jaywalking and the teenager ends up dead. those are the fundamental facts. >> those are the facts, correct. i don't disagree with any of those. the only question here is what preceded that and whether the police officer's going to argue, you know, self-defense. and what his side of the story is, which we have yet to hear. and it will play out.

so far the missouri governor who could remove this prosecutor, the governor's a democrat, has declined to do so. thanks for coming on and offering your point of view. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all the best to you. on the other side of this argument, those who are speaking out on behalf of officer darren wilson. they held a rally this weekend, but you probably did not see it because not a single camera from a national news organization could show up for those supporting this officer. robin was one of those demonstrators supporting officer darren wilson. former director of multicultural affairs for the police department. good of you to be here tonight. tell us why you're supporting the officer? >> thank you. for many, many reasons, and all the reasons come from my heart. i've already -- always had a deep love and respect for the men and women in law enforcement, especially who became police officers. and i really like to say that i adopted these people a long time

ago. i would say from kindergarten. my father was a civil rights activist and on the forefront of early st. louis politics and urban change. and he was a man who wore a suit and a white shirt and a tie to work every day and had an office downtown. but he knew how to talk to people. so i grew up with police officers in my home, seeing them on a regular basis, the camaraderie between my father. and in those days everything was very diplomatic. it was easier in many, many ways that had to do with social moors and things like that -- >> what do you make of complaints from others there? we just heard the head of the naacp, cornell brooks, talk about his concerns about this prosecutor for example. that he doesn't believe -- and he believes the black community

doesn't believe that this -- that michael brown will get a fair -- his family will get a fair shake before that man. >> well, that to me that level of paranoia mistrust is very disturbing to me. personally, i voted for bob mcculloch because i like his style, he's tough, he's no nonsense, point a to point b and honestly ask yourself if there was a black prosecutor that took this case over and he lost, or the outcome was not what the black community expected or wanted, what would be said then? i don't know. what could we say then? bob mcculloch has the chops. and if you really think about it in this situation he's going to be extra, extra careful. >> but let me ask you one other question before i let you go. why do you think we are not

seeing more support from any african-americans for the officer's right to at least tell his story here? >> that's kind of a question that has historical ramification for it. it has a historical context for one thing. going back to slavery. there's always been this tension between the african-american community or what i prefer to call american-african community and law enforcement. that has a lot of historical context attached to it. and we can't disregard that. but at some point you have to give people a chance. and as far as i'm concerned anyone willing to take a bullet for me or to jump in and save me from a catastrophic situation, that is family to me. and i have to support these people for the job they do. and as far as i'm concerned there isn't enough money in the

world to pay them for what they do. and i'm not ashamed, or afraid, to say that. indirectly i have police officers in my own family. the man i knew as my childhood best friend, uncle john -- >> i got it. >> you know, but there's, you know, you're talking about my family. i'm sorry. you're talking about my family. and you defend your family. >> robin, thank you. >> thank you. >> we appreciate it. >> i appreciate it. thanks for having me on. >> michael brown was laid to rest today, the white house sent three people to attend. marc thiessen on that decision next. she's still the one for you.

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other top white house aides? >> it's a terrible idea. think about what kind of message does this send about the impartiality of the obama administration? sending white house representatives to the funeral sends a signal that president obama considers him to be an innocent victim, michael brown, an innocent victim. we don't know that yet. it may turn out that officer wilson did absolutely nothing wrong. so, you know, this white house has promised an impartial the message the opposite of impartiality. >> they are likely trying to reassure the african-american community that justice will be done. >> yeah. well, who's reassuring the law enforcement community that justice will be done? you had governor nixon go out and say he wants a vigorous prosecution and that he wants justice for the brown family. and now you've got the obama administration basically reinforcing that message by standing with the brown family at this funeral. that is the wrong message to be sending. you've got the police out there

who have been dealing with rioters and looters and people throwing molotov cocktails. and they're being told by the governor of the state of missouri one of their own killed a man in broad daylight. these people are defending that community every day. and they deserve to know that they're going to have justice done, there's going to be a fair and impartial investigation and this sends the opposite message. >> as somebody who worked in the white house, what does it say about the administration that it chose to send three top aides to this funeral in addition to, you know, having a man run point on the ground, al sharpton. >> well, first of all, i mean, they send three white house officials to the funeral of michael brown. when margaret thatcher died last year, they sent nobody. in what universe does margaret thatcher, one of the greatest british prime ministers, merit nobody but michael brown merits three white house officials. second, al sharpton? really? of all the african-american ministers they could find out

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>> well, that's beyonce at the mtv -- yeah, vmas last night with a performance that's creating a lot of buzz. she shared her message to the world loud and clear that she was all about feminism. and here's a look at how she said that. >> that was not anywhere near the raciest part of the performance as we've sort of modified it a little. we chose what we could show. is this the new face of feminism today? joining me now senior editor of the federalist. molly, is it? she's taking a lot of flak for being extremely sexual with lyrics that included bow down, you know, b, rhymes with witches, while she talked about

feminism. >> yeah, my favorite part of the spiel was it happened the moment the stage was full of backup dancers whose costume was, no joke, naked strippers. as she told women who didn't respect her to bow down and use the bad b word. the idea this is feminism is hilarious. but there's also kind of a truth because modern feminism is an incoherent mess of double standards. >> she's pulling an excerpt from a ted talk on feminism. the quote was that, we teach girls that they cannot be sexual beings the way that boys are. that's the critical piece of it. the way that boys are. that women can own their sexuality, flaunt their sexuality, own the fact that they're sexual beings and get after it the same way men have been encouraged to do and women have not. >> feminism is about making women identical to men and not respecting the fact that we are quite different from men. but that also -- that speech came from a nigerian feminist

who is dealing with serious global feminism problems for women not what we're dealing in america like banning the word bossy which is something beyonce also argued for. >> that's sheryl sandberg's thing, but she's bow down -- can i say it that way? i'll find out. the question whether this spoke to a lot of women who felt empowered by her message because she's such a huge star. she's made so much money. she owns her performance. she owns her industry. and yet the message if you listen to the lyrics of many of her songs are, i don't know, can you say skanky? is that all right? mike says it's fine. >> right now feminism is hot among a certain group of elites, advertisers, media elites. but actually a lot of people don't identify as feminist. in fact, only one out of five americans adopt that label. so i think it's smart marketing for advertisers in certain cultural elites, but it's not going to fly -- i don't think it's going to help have more americans identified -- >> if you watch the vmas, you

have to wonder if in 25 years they're going to be openly having sexual intercourse on stage? >> i'd say we're basically there. definitely next year. >> thanks, molly. we'll be right back and "hannity" is coming up at the top of the hour. >> when this kid was running away the moment the officer stepped out of the car, when that officer decided to shoot him, that was the -- >> that's one version. the all-new chrysler 200. america's import tm

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