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>> there are starting to snub me already. it is a tough gig. >> we begin with the threat from isis. the poorly recruiting allies for air strikes against the militants in syria and northern iraq. "new york times" reporting officials believe great britain and australia will join the campaign getting reports united states is considering a new humanitarian relief mission in northern iraq where fighting has cut off 15,000 people from food and water. lawmakers from both sides of the aisle want the administration to seek an up or down vote a much reaction against isis. a democrat from virginia saying i do not believe they said military operations are covered under existing authorizations from congress. i urge this a administration to use the next two weeks to define the strategy and objectives of the mission against isis and

then bring it to congress for a debate and authorization vote. bob corker also saying in an interview i hope what they will do instead is come to congress and ask for a new authorization for a new threat that has evolved over time. white house press secretary weighing in on those concerns. >> the president remains committed to coordinating and consulting with congress as he exercises his response abilities and authorities as commander-in-chief of the native american bid the president recognizes he has an important role to play and he has an important role to play as commander-in-chief and as individual ultimately responsible for the national security of the american people. the president will not hesitate to use the authority. >> so that of a debate to go to congress first and if so what should the president be asking for. stacy, think it is encouraging to hear the u.s. is starting to

community organize and get our allies involved because we will get involved and move forward with airstrikes and not boots on the ground, we should have an international coalition. but i want to ask you about going to congress. it is really important and you were nodding your head of what the senator said that the president has to define what the strategy and there has to be a strategy. >> i don't think we need permission. we don't need permission to strike back, the problem is obama's always reacting to what he sees on the news, always behind the ball, he has to be ahead of it. there has to be strategy and one that works. >> you have the democrats saying we have had a lack of a strategy, he has to come to congress with a clearly defined plans for what the problem is.

>> the president's military advisors have some disagreement about when and how to strike syria and how imminent the crisis is because as you know the chairman of the joint committee staff first said crazy horrific, we don't know if that is exactly what he is doing right now bid how long it is going to take, which ally we're going to use and a lot of that still sounds like it is being flushed out. they don't want to get into a protracted more down a decade trying to deal with terrorists. >> don't you think that is the best thing, to spell this out? the president has said there is a humanitarian issue, but tom, this is the time for the

president to articulate what the threat is and how we are going to go after it. >> i agree, he is never on specifics. >> he has to build a case. >> whenever i speak any kind of things my caveat is i am not the brightest on this, but it is always about allies, the u.s. cannot defeat isis, we need middle east countries to get involved, but they would rather have isis just fighting us. >> you're absolutely right, because there are moderate sunnis, they have to take care of their own neighborhood because when they invade, who are we going to call on which mark >> support from turkey would be key, that is not going to be easy. in the middle of a big political transition now. that being said, the administration is reportedly

asking for financial support from the likes of saudi arabia, which is already funding a lot of these groups already fighting. the big problem is going to be getting one big command center. if you are asking for all of this help, do you think this administration is going to be able to bring all these together and create a big command center? they do have the reach out to their allies, be able to send more operations in syria, can they get together and make this efficient? >> in this postmodern age there is not just one command center, al qaeda is not just one thing and we cannot expect isis is as well. you are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't because your enemies are now your friend

skid if we arm the wrong people, till come back to bite us. >> it is what the president was supposed to be good at, but a lot of questions and saudi arabia spends millions of dollars on anti-western philosophy. >> that was put out for the former ambassador to syria who says if we get these folks together, that could be the key. >> being blasted for what critics say didn't do well isis was expanding. now calling for an investigation saying he wants to know why the intelligence community was caught offguard. >> this is the biggest intelligence failure of the united states since 9/11 to detect the armed militia, this group that organized the interior and us not having a clue. >> in the meantime threatening to kill a journalist, one of two

americans currently in captivi captivity. the others a female aide worker from the west coast. they're asking for a $6.6 million ransom, all of this after the beheading of american journalists james foley. first on this one, saying this is a huge intelligence failure, but the white house has gone back and forth with the cia on this one. we have had all the briefings information for years, synthesis and administration that has ignored it. >> they did not just make the situation worse, they caused this horrible situation. they are heavily armed group who organize, planned and executed a mucnot result while u.s. intelligence were asleep at the switch. these are very strong words, very strong accusations of completely missing the mark on

this. >> i think it is not an intelligence failure, it is a convenient excuse. however maybe you are spending way too much resources and manpower spying on america when these are the guys he should be spying on. >> that is a great point. we always collect a lot of intelligence. remember 9/11 we had the information. is a failure to act on intelligence. >> we had all of the updates coming in, president obama had all his information in briefing, the threat against the british consulate. and the charisma and said this is an intelligence failure, this is a failure of indecision. taking action, doing something, being held accountable. what scares me though is the

back-and-forth between the white house and the cia on this one. the president is so willing to throw the cia under the bus again, and we just saw them on ttwo different pages on monday e were debating this on the coach when he said we are in for another 9/11 style attack if we don't wake up and the secretary of defense was backing off. >> we are getting a lot of conflicting military advisors same air getting conflicting information from this white house, but you are in agreement this is not a military failure, this a policy failure. >> no question. said i have known about this for years, we've all known about it, were you not reading your intelligence briefings? it is very convenient excuse.

it is not very believable. it is a lame excuse i don't think anybody believes we were asleep at the switch. >> you cannot blame this on the cia. >> women know sports too. a new female sports show on the way with some of those legendary ladies leading the panel but is it needed, will it succeed? will sandra smith leave our coach to go there? and the new hallmark alternative meant to make your mistress feel special. and catch more from the couch on the web, join us for "outnumbered" overtime. tweet us your questions and comments and tell us what you want us to talk about. up next. ♪ [music]

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while it will include one of the most accomplished sportscaster, it appears to be reaching for the male audience by injecting some appeal with a former beauty pageant queen turned sideline reporter. all of the stage crew is turning around looking at the pictures. scratching their heads over the choice to use former female athletes only in supporting roles along with norah o'donnell and gayle king to make appearances. do you think this could be condescending to women because they might choose to talk down to women who don't know sports as well as men? >> women digest sports a little different than men. that is why they have such a huge audience because women who don't normally watch things like sports shows, wrap up sports shows at night, they watch the

olympics to get involved and if you have a show, told the story and get people emotionally invested. that is great. i don't necessarily watch a show like that, but i know the director of the show, she is amazing, the only woman directing nfl games like 700 cameras so she is extraordinarily skilled. >> we mentioned leslie visser. highly acclaimed pro football hall of fame sportscaster. in her 40th year of covering sports. the first nfl ceo of the nfl. >> more and more girls are getting involved in sports than ever before. i am just wondering if it is too soon for something like this. i am wondering what is going to work. i like that they put in a former beauty queen because that is what they did with nfl sunday

back in the day. so, it could work. shows with women sitting around talking about certain issues. >> i know the male mind, guys don't need the eye candy, men love women who can talk about sports. they don't care what they look like. >> you don't care at all what a woman looks like? >> i will watch a different show for the eye candy. no. >> so of your andrews looked like dennis. >> thomas making a point visited necessarily going to be women watching the show. it could attract a lot of mail eyeballs as well. >> the only issue i have is the

title. "we need to talk." >> might as well call it "where were you last night"? >> do women need a women specific broadcast for sports? no. kennedy is right, we watch sports differently. i would watch soccer with the volume off because i am not watching it to here. >> women take a different approach, i think you're right, but they don't like to talk about men and women have different interest but guys love statistics and numbers. >> women love stories, compelling sports stories would be the target in my opinion. >> would you watch a show like this? >> i think it has a shot, sure. but you have to be on your game,

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>> welcome back to "outnumbered." wonderful to have you here. new questions whether former republican candidate mitt romney will run for the white house again. he said repeatedly he is not gonna. look how he answered a question about a third potential campaign in this radio interview. >> you hear the press, you know, this is something we gave a lot of thought to when early on i decided we would not be running this time. again, we said, look, i have had the chance of running. i didn't win. someone else has a better chance than i do. and that is what we believe and that's why i'm not running. you know, circumstances can change but i'm just not going to let my head go there. >> are those circumstances rand paul? meantime romney is helping senate minority leader min mitch in republican biggest race this year headlining a fund raiser in october. you endorsed governor romney that was a presidential

candidate. what was it about felt right to you? do you think circumstances where now the country might favor him as a potential candidate. >> i favored him and i voted for him because he was a great businessman. what he did when he was governor of massachusetts was all good. so that is why i voted for him then. i think now there is too batchingage. he would be to too easy to beat. i think he should not run. >> i think we need something fresh, different, change and hope like. >> what is tresh? obviously he is the best one out there, of the republicans come on. >> is that true? you being sarcastic? >> i'm not being sarcastic. >> i would throw this on you like kerosene. >> they destroyed romney. this is republicans. why we should not have the ridiculous primary season. the republicans attacked guy for a rear saying he was rich meanie and obama came in and swept up saying he was rich meanie for a year. i'm surprised you got vote you did. >> what you do, sit there with a stack of cash.

i'm going to make you wealthy too. i will bring the money to you because that is how much you love you. >> he is way too timid. >> if he was to run again, own the message. >> had a chance to own it before. ily he is also-ran. i don't think he should run again. i think country needs to go into completely different direction. i don't know what a romney republican is but i think -- >> recent polling said if the american people had a chance to vote again today, barack obama versus mitt romney. >> i'm sure that is probably true, they would vote nor your aunt shirley. can we draft aunt shirley because i think she would be great female president to run against hillary clinton. people have buyers remorse. i wish mitt romney would have run this time around instead of last time. here's the thing, he can't go hard negative on obamacare which is one of the biggest issues because he supported something like that in massachusetts. it takes issue off the table. i think he would be incredible

president, i really adopt. as far as being a candidate, mitt romney was not a good candidate. he didn't campaign well. he was not comfortable in his own skin. he waited too long to go negative. didn't own the success message, sandra, you mentioned. >> paul ryan wants to run. >> i do think we need fresh blood. >> i think paul ryan is nice person and i think paul ryan is being kind. >> he is the future of the party as well, paul ryan. he is young. >> young, and fresh. >> good with the economy which we need. the team behind the newest "scooby-doo" movie is being accused of fat shaming. watch what happens when of knee is -- daphne is subjected to sinister curse. >> oh. oh. [crying] >> i warned you and your friend not interfear. now you have brought the curse down upon your heads. each of you will lose what you hold most dear.

>> is that why i lost my looks? is this because i'm cursed? >> oh dear, she got fat. here she is before at a size 2. and after at a size eight. critics say it sends a message that the worse thing that can happen to women is to gain weight n a statement to "huffington post," warner brothers says when she is first upset by touching change there is touching moment where fred points out he didn't even notice and she always looks great to him. the loss of daphne's regular appearance is proved to be superficial thing and not two what really matters most to her. ladies. how do you feel? >> first of all i don't think that the fattened up daphne looks to be size eight. that woman could look very svelte as a size eight. that looks heftier to me. leave people alone. leave business alone. let them do their thing. i don't think this will scar any

children. >> looking sostic is very good. but if you're going to be obese, that is another thing. >> i think of much worse things than your looks. >> like terminal illness. >> why are we looking at "scooby-doo" for some kind of moral compass on messages for women. >> by the way is that what will push our daughters over the edge? >> you know what is worse, every time he does anything good gives him snacks. food, there is emotional eating rampant in the cartoon. it is terrible. you know what would be a real curse? if they aged. given the same age since i was a kid. imagine if they went to their real age that would be horrifying. >> that is the scariest thing, every woman can agree looking in the mirror, as you get older. >> aging. >> i did. we talked. this does not look like a size eight by the way. >> she is not a size eight but

literally 8 xl. >> i always liked daphne. >> have a conversation with our kids that movies and cartoons are not major influence. >> who is the other one i like the one with the glasses. >> thelma. >> i liked mary ann over ginger and liked thelma. >> if a woman does gain weight, one lucky guy, the love them the way they are? >> more to love. more to love. that what i always said. it is true. sometimes, you know, in the past, when i had girlfriend trying to lose weight, you don't want them to change at all. because you love them the way they are. so you're worrying if they slim down then, there is going to be less of them. >> or maybe they look too hot and then they get more attention from other guys. let's be honest here. >> i've been always overconfident in that department. >> more competition. >> he was holding up the picture of ryan gosling when getting hair done. make me uglier like this. >> tamp it down a little bit.

>> investigators trying to find out why an american man joined up with isis's deadly ranks in syria after his victim's was i.d.'d on the battlefield. should we be worried about our own citizens here at home training abroad. and for an attack here at home when you saw lois lerner's saga was getting cold, another criminal allegation could make the case red hot yet again as we learn her work cell phone was destroyed after she was already under investigation. this keeps going. right after the show head to the web for outnumbered overtime foxnews.com/outnumbered. send us your questions and comments. what did you like, we'll talk more about it. twitter, facebook, email. we are there.

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"outnumbered." the white house is confirming an american born and raised in the midwest died on syria's battlefields allegedly fighting alongside isis terrorists. douglas mcarthur mccain, what a name, was three foreign fighters killed in syria fighting that day. we've seen a growing number of europeans joining the other side and there are estimated 140 americans joining militant groups overseas. there could be 5,000 foreign fighters fighting with isis. that is chilling number. secretary john kirby says that puts the u.s. high alert on a possible threat at home. >> real threat of foreign fighters inside of an organization like isil. when we speak about the immediate yaw sy about the threat that isil poses, this is one of those factors, foreign fighters going every there and getting radicalized and potentially working back to

their homeland. they have regional aspirations and if not global aspiration. they're very capable and well-led and well resourced. >> andy mccarthy who prosecuted high-profile terror leaders agrees and what could happen if the u.s. doesn't facts. >> we're looking more terrorist attacks. what happened in the run-up to 9/11 we allowed al qaeda to have safe haven to plan an attack like the 9/11 attack this version of al qaeda, isis, has much more territory and much greater and more threatening an arsenal than al qaeda had prior to 9/11 and they have exactly the same objective which is to defeat the united states. it is our problem. and you know we can continue to put our head in the sand about that but we're going to have to take them out and you can't take them out from the sky. >> all right, today, sandra the "new york post" saying general mcarthur, john mccain, the name alone, this man goes overseas to fight along isis. heled them his brothers.

>> unbelievable. the family says that they had no idea. he did have some previous run-ins in the law. a guy born in chicago. raised in minnesota. how many more are there out there? that is the question. mccarthy went on to say not only is the white house not taking threat of isis seriously and which look the fact that some of these are americans, if we continue this laid-back approach, then we will end up with more terrorist attacks. we need, they had, they had surveillance on this guy already by the way. they had intelligence on this guy. why aren't we immediately attacking issue? lack of urgency is biggest concern. >> we saw this with the boston bombers as well the sar nayef brothers. they were not citizens. tsarnaev. we had been following them a long time. is there question about a database at home and not following signs that should have been with that guy? >> "the washington post" reported that there would be as

many as 300 americans fighting overseas. i think they get radicalized here. i don't think they have to go to training camps. we're talking to syria by firming up, turkey about firming up the border with syria but that is how they're getting into syria. they fly to turkey, once they go over there it is open season. they can pretty much go wherever they want. they're a valuable commodity to isis, obviously with western passports give them -- >> two things i think make it easy for them to be radicalized. one internet. you can log on to jihadi web it zoo. if these americans or europeans are lost, maybe they don't have a job, no place to belong in society, they become very vulnerable to something like this. >> i think it is opportunity for our cia to get these same people to be assets for us. they have to find a way to infiltrate, to see where this is happening and, if they don't already know. and just keep it to themselves. it should be covert. >> tom, i think europe has it worse than we do.

because they have far more immigrants that have settled in their countries from the 1960s, from former muslim colonies like northern africa. so they see a real problem with radicalization. how big of a threat realistically here in the united states? >> i don't know, obviously they're out there. i don't know if it is this idea i don't know, they're poor, they don't have a job. a lot of these people come from, well to do families. that is where bin laden came from. but see the photos of his family vacationing in europe in the '70s. often at times. >> not europe. not the ones they're radicalizing. >> these people that go from the home country, to fight for isis. it is not because they're impoverished. they're looking for sense of purpose. >> it is also religious, right? >> right. >> fanaticism that doctor. >> they're her rhett ticks. >> there is nothing we figured out emotionally and social logically to counter that. there. is desire for rebellion.

antiauthoritarian and radical islam is very effective when you combine it with brain changes. but we have not found, other than just the solution of kill them all, i don't think that has been an effective enough solution. we have not figured out the opposite side. >> i used to live in paris and they are a country who had former muslim colonies in northern africa, tunisia, algeria, morocco. a lot of youths that moved with their parents, they have no sense of purpose. the unemployment rate is very high in france. they don't feel like they belong in society. europe has done a terrible job identifying problem and articulating real problem with radicalization. it has gotten out of control. >> what is so interesting to me, this family says they were stunned by this revelation. they were supportive and they were okay with his conversion from christianity to islam. but then on the facebook page he became sympathetic to isis. and that finally got his relatives attention. think that helps a little bit. >> the slave of allah.

that is kind of a hint. >> look at the tsarnaev brothers. remember they were posting jihadi videos on facebook page and youtube page. nobody noticed? their friends didn't say something is off and tipped off authorities? >> they're saying americans don't want us to be listening in and looking, we have privacy. at this point i'm like fine, take my privacy, you know, if it is going to save my life, do it. >> one thing when the government says it. it is saying something. >> you can't have security unless we totally give up our civil rights and our private privacy. i hope the nsa is spying on every single person. it is in the room. >> we have to find a balance. >> do we agree. >> false dichotomy. >> do you think, they're making statements about this, we have to act. sound like they're ready to do more domestic surveillance. >> they're doing plenty of domestic surveillance. they're not doing effective

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>> more "outnumbered" in just a moment. let's go get to jon scott what is coming up next hour of "happening now." >> sandra, new details on the american killed while fighting for isis inside syria. what made an christian american-born man convert to fight for isis? how big of a threat is there for homegrown terrorists coming back to the united states? new details in the irs targeting scandal. resigned irs executive lois lerner had her blackberry wiped clean after congressional investigations began into the affair. we will talk the politics of it with juan williams and charlie hirt. former fed chief ben bernanke says the banking crisis of 2008 was actually worse than the great depression. banks like wamu and countrywide

gone now. we will explain his comments ahead. >> we'll be watching, jon. thank you. jon: thank you. >> i may be "outnumbered" but now it is my turn with this story. the political correctness police are all over the emmys this week. first "modern family" star sophia vergara is firing back at critics who called her emmy skit sexist. she posed on a slowly row tasting pedestal which i love after a boring speech. >> who doesn't. >> no matter the device or platform, television will have and always be about great story telling. to learn more about the academy, our membership and our activities please join us at television academy.com. what truly matters that we never forget that our success is based on always giving the viewer something compelling to watch. [laughter] [applause] >> that was compelling.

one critic writing in "time" said it does a disservice to vergara's skills as actress and comedienne, even to pretend in self-conscious way she is just a body. sure it was self-aware but a self-aware wink doesn't work like a get-out-of-jail-free card. vergara defending herself to "entertainment weekly" saying i think it is opposite of demeaning. it means somebody can be hot and also be funny. i know that. and making fun of herself. i think it is ridiculous that somebody started this. i know who she was. who has no since of humor and should lighten up a little it about. meantime, critics crying are, crying racism over a video tribute to robin williams. the emmys showed a clip of late comedienne asking a bit to improvise with a scarf and turning into indian an becoming a muslim scarf. i would like to come to iran. help me. it was funny.

i remember watching that on the actors studio, it was great. stacy you said political correctness getting completely out of hand. was the bit funny. >> aren't you joke about women are in trouble in iran? >> you should. robin williams is genius. ridiculousness the political correctness. vergara, she is george just and beautiful. in fact she worked it. she made it hot. >> she looked great. i loved spinning around. obviously they said in the criticism, well i know it was a wink. but you can't, you can't get out of jail free because you're make -- >> yes you can. >> yes you can. >> yes you can. i have winked at number of different police officers when being pulled over. you can get out of jail free. >> that works? i tried batting my eyelashes with the men in blue. >> beyonce is doing a poll dance with her behind cooks hanging out and word feminist up there. >> that was a feminist pole

dance. >> she made the point the contract is ridiculous. sophia vergara is very funny. knows exactly what she was doing. >> a talented actress. award westerning actress. play as sex symbol in the show. lost our sense of humor. >> katie couric is jellybean and she would not be able to stand up on pedestal and have people -- >> she is little jealous. >> she sent out angry tweet, it is demeaning. >> don't you think men and women think how beautiful sophia vergara is? women ad hire other women. >> i don't think she is like -- >> you don't think she is beautiful? >> i think she is beautiful. i don't want to make her out some superior being. she is attractive. >> she is superhot and a brick house. a brick house. >> award shows, aren't they sexist anyway? what do they do? these women dress up like princesses and stand on a red

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♪ ♪ ♪ show your mistress you care! with a special card just for her. that's right. a new website offers a line of greeting cards for the unfaithful. do you sense my sarcasm and those looking to have an affair there is cards for you. they offer messages of like my marriage lacks warmth, closeness

and spice. we shouldn't be doing this, it's so naughty but nice. roses are red and viets are lou and i forget that i'm married i'm hitting on you. >> i assumed it was cards to apologize to your wives for your transgression. it is ridiculous. >> and they are called diamond earrings. >> that's what kobe taught us. >> it is wrong but what do you think? >> i think it is hilarious. and yes, it is wrong, but look back in history. kings and courts had mistresses and the queen knew it. it is just making light of something that exist and a reality. >> wow, didn't expect that answer. >> i think it is disgusting. >> i think roses are red and

violets are blue. and next time we hook up your wife will sue. >> and wait until they met up in the divorce court. >> the guy will forget and she will go through his bag and find. it roses are what? >> i leave bananas in my bag, you are right. >> there is a card for every occasion now. >> it is true. even in a disgusting a adultery. >> you can't find your correct the category. >> who would be seen shopping on this category. >> better hide your face. thank you for joining us and catch kennedy and i will be on the fox business network as well. i am hosting 9 to 11:00 a.m. and opening bell. and we'll stay here for outnumbered on the web.

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