again, thanks for watching us tonight. ms. megyn's up next. remember, the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, just one week before america marks 13 years since the 9/11 attacks and the u.s. director of counterterrorism today described what he called the alarming new threat from this terror army known as isis. good evening and welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i'm megyn kelly. matt olson is the u.s. director of counterintelligence. he's a man who shoulders a big part of our protection. in a speech he gave about isis posing a threat to the homeland, we paid attention. they have now established a safe haven the size of the united kingdom. how it's taking in more than $1

million by selling black market oil and how it's waging a campaign of terror at a pace that now includes 30 to 40 suicide attacks every month. in addition, hundreds of fighters loyal to this group are from western europe or from america with passports to travel and the motivation to conduct lone wolf operations. on top of those remarks from mr. olson the defense secretary weighed in again today with a warning about the threat we face. our chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge just filed this report. >> the top counterterrorism official seen by republicans and democrats as a straight shooter says isis is a direct threat to the u.s. embassy in baghdad and u.s. personnel on the ground to go global. >> left unchecked they would turn their sights more to the west and potentially to the united states. >> reporter: with more than 10,000 fighters and territory the size of great britain, social media fuels isis

recruitment. the execution videos of american journalists james foley and steven sotloff show no terrorist group as more adept at spreading graphic images at lightning speed. based on new analysis and obvious details such as facial hair, the state department said today the two american journalists were murdered on different dates. >> we've already determined that the videos were not shot at the same time with the video of mr. sotloff being filmed after the foley video. >> reporter: the 22-year-old florida man who traveled back and forth from u.s. to syria also said domestic cells are a real possibility. >> no indication at this point of a cell of foreign fighters operating in the united states. you know. we're mindful and vigilant about the possibility of individuals more likely on their own, you know, one, two, coming back from

syria. >> reporter: there was no comment today on reports that an isis fighter once worked at the minneapolis international airport with a job that gave him access to secure areas including the plane and the cockpit. megyn. >> joining me now fox news strategic analyst. ralph, the president's messaging was all over the board today on this. and meantime his counterterrorism head, his defense secretary, his chairman of the joint chiefs all seem to be telling us the same thing, which is yes, we do need to worry. >> well, megyn, i believe the president has isolated himself from his own allies at this point. for the intelligence community a final straw was when he tried to blame them for not alerting him about isis. when the intelligence community knows full well it's been doing all it could for well over a year to tell the president that,

hey, they're coming and they're serious. and even chuck hagel who's certainly been -- a cipher loyal to obama he clearly gets it. throughout the government you've got people that see this as a very serious threat. they're trying to be loyal to the president, but they're finding they just can't be because this guy doesn't get it. and, you know, today was another debacle. obama sounds strong then backs off with a manageable level of islamic caliphate -- you can't manage hard core fanatical terrorist. god help us he had joe biden ranting about how we'll follow isis to the gates of hell. we won't even cross the border into syria, and this is an administration that relies on

rhetoric for everything. megyn, it struck me today that one thing president obama and vladimir putin do have one thing in common. you can't pay any attention to what they say, watch what they do or in our president's case what he fails to do. >> here's the thing that i think concerns a lot of americans. the messaging it's all over the board. that's clear. they give us a different message every day. even the president is giving us a different message every day. but his counterterrorism officials and those who are supposed to be keeping us safe, they seem to be sticking to be concerned. be very concerned. then when you see them get woodshedded behind closed doors, they come out and soften and go back to what appears to be their truth, which is be concerned. the thing i think a lot of americans are worried about, ralph, is what is the truth. i mean, we're coming up on the 9/11 -- you know, the 13-year mark from the 9/11 attacks. what is the truth? and does the president have a

truth that he believes about this group? >> well, that's -- the last question you ask is impossible for us to know because none of us can really get inside this president's head. he -- i mean, my personal view is he has a deep psychological aversion to bearing responsibility to making any decisions. but as far as what's the truth e anniversary of 9/11, what we do know is they want desperately to hit us. islamist terrorists all want to hit us. and there's no better day than the anniversary of 9/11. on the other hand, our -- you know, our government does give credit when it does deserve it. our counterterrorism forces, our elements from the homeland security to intelligence community to new york city cops have done a remarkable job of keeping us safe. but the threat is growing. it is me tast sizing. and our president is doing nothing. and at some point even the best

efforts of new york's finest are not going to be able to prevent that horrible attack. >> ralph, thank you. also with us now larry corb, senior fellow at the -- is that fair that the president is doing nothing? because we heard charles krauthammer say virtually the same thing yesterday. >> no, i think he's done a lot. he stopped the advance of isis in iraq. in fact, he's rolled them back. he's starting to get a coalition together of the sunni countries in the region to work together. he's got contributions from the british, the french and the germans. he's starting to arm the pesh merger, the kurdish security forces. and he's just, you know, help to liberate amaril. so he is making, i think, an

awful lot of progress. in the long-term basically we're not going to defeat this group unless we get an international coalition together so you can undermine their ideology. you can't kill your way out of this. you've got to convince people who might be attracted to them that that's not the way to go. >> that's not what ralph says. he says the only way to get out of this is to kill your way out of this. these people can't be reasoned with. what are we going to try to persuade them that their interpretation of islam is incorrect and they should do what the former radical jihadist had on the program the other night did and run for office instead? >> no. i think, again, you ask ralph about mr. olsen's comments. he said they're not a threat like al qaeda was. we're much better prepared. you had duncan hunter on your show a couple weeks ago and said they're not a threat to the homeland. so we can take our time -- >> no, but then we had dempsey saying they are an immediate threat. which i listened to the chairman

of the joint chiefs more than i listen to any of those guys. >> well, basically their lone wolfs are a threat. and the chairman of the joint chiefs says you've got to build a coalition and you're not going to win it militarily. what you have to do, basically, you don't want people to keep joining them. and if you look at where they were a month ago compare today where they are now, they're not in as good a shape particularly in iraq. >> here's what i want to ask you. put politics aside. what do you believe -- what more do you believe we should be doing? forget elections, forget the left versus the right. this is america on the precipice of going over with a bombing campaign against perhaps the worst terror group we've seen ever in our history according to the officials. the risks are enormous if we do it and if we don't do it. what do you believe we should do? >> well, i think again --

>> coalition. i get it. but what do we do with our coalition? >> well, basically you keep the attacks up where you have the ground forces to support. don't forget obama just sent 300 more military people there. we have over a thousand people on the ground who are working with those forces. now, when you get to syria, the question you have to ask is who are your allies in there? people say let's start bombing syria. that's going to help assad. is that really what you want to do? or do you want to take your time and get a force in there. the president asked for $500 million to help the free syrian army that congress hasn't even appropriated it yet. >> larry, he had an opportunity to do something in syria a long time ago and he declined. he declined when the civil war was ramping up and when the extremists had not yet fully integrated the opposition. and he declined when he said they would cross a red line and he would intervene and he didn't. two big missed opportunities in syria. >> no, he did not, because back

then they were not ready to get it. in fact, a lot of the people who were in the free syrian army went over to fight with the islamists. >> all right. i got to leave it with that. larry, good to see you. with warnings this terrorist group wants to target the united states, we are investigating reports tonight that thousands of foreign nationals in the u.s. have vanished. they are off the official radar screen and we don't know where they are. that's not good. congressman peter king is here on that. plus, we have new details tonight about the second known american killed while fighting alongside isis and how he was working for years at a major u.s. airport with access to the planes. and then, what is the department of justice doing to track down the young men inside the united states who are actively being recruited by the terrorists? the answer to that just ahead. >> you've seen dozens, some reports upwards of 40 minnesota

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trace. >> the metropolitan commission which gives security clearances to employees of minneapolis airport says he worked at the airport off and on for ten years, first putting fuel in the airliners and later cleaning them. that means he had unfeddered access to the tarmac, the planes and other secure areas. delta saying they are working with authorities and all employees with a security clearance are fully vetted by the department of homeland security. his security clearance ended in 2011. he left late last year to fight for isis and died this summer in the same battle as douglas mccain who is also from the minneapolis/st. paul area. in fact, 15 men and one woman from the twin cities are thought to be fighting for isis. some have been featured in isis social media campaigns. and many are members of the minnesota somalian community. a director of that community believes isis members are targeting their young people and funding their trips. now, fox 9 minneapolis which

broke the story about mohamed working at the airport says he was married four times, had nine children and no criminal record they could find. but during an interview in june with the minneapolis radio station, mohamed claimed that he wanted to save the global muslim community. and if that causes others to consider him a terrorist, he is "happy with it." probably not the person you want fueling and cleaning your airplane. >> no. not so happy now. trace, thank you. we learned a month ago the department of justice had some 40 investigators assigned to the police shooting of an 18-year-old in ferguson, missouri. the question tonight, how many investigators have been assigned to track would-be terrorists in places like minneapolis? tom dupree, eric holder said full resources of the justice department would be unleashed on ferguson to help solve one crime. how many do we have in minneapolis tonight where the minnesota state senator --

minnesota u.s. senator, al franken, is now calling on the doj to do more. >> that's the thing, megyn. when al franken is criticizing you for being soft on terrorism, you've got an issue. i hope that the attorney general is going to prioritize this. we've seen what he does when he gets involved in something. we've seen how he personally went to ferguson. he focused his attention on it. and i'm not going out on too far a limb here to say i think isis poses a greater threat to the united states national security than the ferguson police department does. i trust the justice department will recognize that. and i trust that they will deploy sufficient resources to find out why minneapolis and st. paul have become a hot bed for isis and a recruiting ground for jihadists. >> right chl the two guys that just got killed fighting for isis are both from minneapolis, they went to high school together. they were friends wind up fighting for this terror group. and prior to that there was another guy that went to somalia. and this was his message for

those who might consider joining him in the jihad. listen. >> if you guys only knew how much fun we have over here. this is the real disneyland. >> so there's something about minneapolis and its community that is leading to this sort of radicalization. and what have we heard, if anything, from doj on this? >> well, we haven't heard much, megyn. what we have heard is they have the fbi looking into it. but i think what's going on here is that these guys aren't doing this themselves. they are being radicalized. whether it's by seeing materials on the internet that's firing them up, or whether there are actually people in minneapolis and st. paul working these communities giving these people the means rk the money, the plane tickets, the instructions telling them what they need to do to go abroad and engage in this jihad. so i think what the fbi needs to focus on is are there people on the ground in minneapolis, st. paul who are fo meanting this sort of thing. this is a domestic security issue. and the fbi and doj need to

recognize that. >> there you go. because my next point was going to be that the doj, this administration, they've told us repeatedly that they are going to handle these terror cases as criminal prosecutions in the criminal justice system as opposed to declaring them part of the war on terror and we would take care of it that way. so if that's going to be the approach, do they not owe the american people as an aggressive approach as they can possibly offer when it comes to sniffing out who is fullments -- >> absolutely. this has to be a top priority. we've seen their position they prefer to prosecute people involved in terrorist acts in the domestic courts. i have concerns about that. a lot of people have concerns about that. but one thing i think everyone should be able to agree on is we need to put whatever is necessary to getting to the bottom of this to find out what is going on in minneapolis and st. paul.

this is not a coincidence. these numbers are striking. and there's a reason for that. and we need to find out what it is and stop it. >> tom, good to see you. >> thank you, megyn. well, we've heard repeatedly that muslim countries need to stand up in this fight against isis. just ahead we'll speak with the spokesman for one of america's biggest muslim communities about that. plus, with warnings that this terror group wants to target the united states, we are investigating reports tonight that thousands, thousands of foreign nationals in the u.s. have vanished. next. >> we can't wait forever. and the longer we do wait, the stronger isis becomes, more people massacred and more america and britain become at risk. urs is a world of passengers. the red-eyes. (daughter) i'm really tired. (vo) the transfers. well, that's kid number three. (vo) the co-pilots. all sitting... ...trusting... ...waiting... ...for a safe arrival. introducing the all-new subaru legacy.

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about what happened to the thousands of foreign nationals who come here on student visas and then disappeared. shannon breem's been digging into this. she's live in our d.c. bureau. shannon. >> well, megyn, the administration admits that in just the last year or so nearly 60,000 student visa holders may have overstayed their visas and that 6,000 of them have been referred to homeland security for further investigation. the number of foreign student visas granted over the last decade has more than doubled. but the warnings about gaping loopholes seem to have gone unheeded. one of the 9/11 recommendations more than a decade ago was to clean up the student visa system noting that many of the 9/11 terrorist attackers got to the u.s. legally through that channel. gop senator jeff sessions calls it inexcusable that no one has acted on the commission's urgent warning. >> one of the top concerns was that the exit visa system was not in place as they had recommended ten years ago.

and 9/11 commission says it's an absolute factor of national security. i certainly agree. i don't think there's any doubt about it. >> reporter: i.c.e. tells us, "any insinuation that i.c.e. is not actively investigating visa overstay cases with potential links to national security and public safety is false. the agency has made numerous improvements to visa security since 9/11." some 9,000 schools in the u.s. are part of the foreign student vis a program. and get this, they're the ones responsible for keeping track of the students and reporting them to the federal government if they don't show up for class. but critics of that setup claim there are plenty of examples of schools profiting heavily off foreign students taking their money, but not reporting them if they don't actually attend the school. megyn. >> shannon, thank you. joining me now, new york congressman peter king, member of the homeland security committee and chairman of the subcommittee on counterterrorism and intelligence. >> good to see you. >> not to worry. schools are supposed to keep

track of these student visa holders. and it's not just, you know, harvard and yale we have to trust, but there are apparently 86 beauty schools, 36 massage schools, nine schools that teach horseshoing. not to mention those who study acupuncture and hair braiding. i'm sure they're on it. the horseshoing folks are supposed to keep track of the student visa holders and report back to you if they go missing. >> back to the department, the homeland security department, it's a serious issue. we've been introducing legislation, congressman from florida, 2010, 2011 would very simply require colleges and universities every 30 days to report the status of these students. the fact is the universities, the colleges, even some of the major ones don't comply. they're very lax about it. >> what kind of screening is done before we give a student visa? all these isis fighters, they're young, not all of them, but many of them are young. they might be student visa age. >> yes. state department interviews them and they're tested against the

terrorist watch list. that's the two main things. >> do you trust that system? >> for the most part. but again, you can be a terrorist and not be on the terrorist watch list. again, i think the universities are -- not largely but significantly at fault. they like the idea, a lot of these foreign students especially from the middle east, they pay top dollar. their families have big money. they pour big money into these universities. and they too often look the other way or don't take it seriously enough. they get some kind of infringement on academic freedom. so every 30 days a status report, or report to homeland security anyone they couldn't account for. it hasn't gone anywhere. >> i want to point out to the viewers that the president has been telling the democrats at least, he came out over the weekend and told the democrats, look, there's no immediate threat to the homeland. so student visas, not student visas, isis, not isis, this group isis is no immediate threat to the homeland. tonight we get this message.

he's just written an op-ed with prime minister david cameron of the uk. first, those who want to adopt an isolationist approach misunderstand the nature of security in the 21st century. developments in other parts of the world particularly in iraq and syria threaten our security at home. congressman, my head is going to explode. which is it? they are a threat to the homeland or they are not? >> they're a real threat. they're a real threat to security -- to our homeland security. isis is a threat. al qaeda is a threat. and so is al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. isis right now has thousands of potential fighters that come to the u.s. every european, 2,000 or 3,000 europeans fighting in syria. they can all come into the u.s. under the european passports. >> how worried are you 13 days out from the 9/11 mark? >> i'm worriy eied 9/11 or not. this is a threat we've known for months after the president said he needs time to put together a coalition, he needs a strategy?

nothing new is here. this is all known to everybody in the intelligence community. you see somebody like chuck hagel or general dempsey getting out in front of their own commander in chief and saying what a threat it is and now he's somehow playing catch up we can't race in. we have to get a coalition together. we have to form late a strategy. he had 12 months to do this. and a terrible failure of leadership. >> not 13 days, today is september 3rd. september 11th right around the corner. congressman, good to see you. >> thank you. the americans fighting for isis are not the only ones the white house is concerned about. we're now sending an additional 350 troops to help secure our embassy in baghdad. plus, as we just mentioned the president is sending mixed signals about dealing with this threat from this group. chris stirewalt is up next and what to make of today's very mixed messages. >> how can reducing something to the point where it is a

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breaking tonight, as we learn the u.s. is sending an additional 350 troops to help protect the baghdad embassy, there are growing questions about our progress against isis inside iraq. a fox news contributor and iraq and afghanistan war vet and ceo of concerned veterans for america. we need another 350 troops. why? and where do we stand with pushing back this group? >> well, the stated mission for the 350 is to protect the baghdad embassy and protect u.s. interests, u.s. personnel. that's what it is. so if we're talking about destroying isis and sending 350 to protect our embassy, it's sort of like speaking loudly and carrying a small stick. >> that's what larry korb was saying, he's got a plan, he's sent 350 more troops -- >> but the 350 is not connected at all to whatever it was he

announced today, which was destroy the enemy and manage the problem, which of course is more confusion on the mission. the 350 was connected to a request by the state department for more personnel to secure baghdad, which can only be seen as a need for more defensive forces. unless inside that request are hidden special operators who will be deployed to identify targets and assist kurdish and iraqi soldiers to take the fight to isis. but that was not what was articulated today. it was 350 for protection, and we're going to destroy. there's a disconnect. at some point if you're going to destroy, you better commit to the forces and the mission required to do so. >> we're dpoing to play the sound bite in a minute. stirewalt will come on and talk about the politics behind this strange messaging we got from the president, we're going to destroy them, destroy them, we're going to manage them. what is that like for the troops? i mean, it's fine and good for us to discuss it, but somebody's going to have to do the destroying or managing and this

is their commander in chief. >> exactly. setting aside afghanistan the guy in control right now wonders what he's doing over there as well. in iraq you've got special operator who is are trained to work alongside local forces, the kurdish forces or iraqi forces. they're the ones that would be forward deployed with those troops to help gather intelligence, identify targets, paint those targets for our assets in the air and then strike those targets. you've got to be forward deployed. you're going to expose yourself. you're going to be involved in combat in order to do that. but the president reiterated today that the 350 will not be involved in combat operations. so the 350 is meant to plus-up the original mission chrks is secure american personnel and protect against a humanitarian crisis. not an offensive operations which is what you'll need to do in order to destroy. if i'm that special operator, i don't know what my mission is right now, and that's a problem. >> do you believe we can get this done in syria with air strikes? just air strikes? >> no. and there's no one in the pentagon that thinks that either. if you're going to go into this safe haven of the enemy, and that's where their real safe

haven, their logistics, their headquarters is located, you're going to have to be willing to send some element of ground troops, u.s. coalition or otherwise with heavy air support -- >> no one's volunteering to help with the coalition. the australians and the british, okay. that's the usual. but none of these muslim countries who are saying that they're the number one targets are volunteering to help. >> that's what they're banking on. they're banking on the strong man of the international community. the reality is international community looks to our lead. until we commit alongside our allies whether it's the brits, australians, canadians, others that have been faithful allies, they're not going to jump in. to think aud rab ya and egypt will deploy troops to take on isis is foolish. we are the leaders on our military capability that sets the tone for others to come. >> pete, good to see you. >> thank you, megyn. the president raised some serious questions earlier today as i mentioned about our goals, what are they? he's the commander in chief. he sets the tone. he makes the case to the

american people and the community. international. first he seemed to suggest that our end game is clearly the destruction of this terror army. >> bottom line is this, our objective is clear and that is to degrade and destroy isis so that it's no longer a threat, not just to iraq but also the region and to the united states. >> it's clear we're going to destroy them. that's the mission. but less than 20 minutes later in the same speech he seemed to indicate that containing isis to the point where it's manageable, well, that could do the trick as well. >> we know that if we are joined by the international community we can continue to shrink isil's sphere of influence, its effectiveness, its financing, its military capabilities to the point where it is a manageable problem. >> chris stirewalt is our fox news digital politics editor.

enter joe biden. we will fight them to the gates of hell. and as ralph peters pointed out, we won't even fight them in syria. doesn't look like we're going to hell. he was all over the map on this today. >> well, and he intentionally went back to correct himself. remember, the president said we're going to be strong and then you saw him at the end he realized, oh, that's a little tougher than i'd like to be. it's a little harder line than i'd like to draw. and he drove the bus all the way back around. 17 minutes later he came all the way back around and said basically just to be clear wooe not trying to win here. we are definitely not trying to win. we're not trying to defeat them. what we're trying to do is contain them so that the magic thing that happens when the muslim world realigns itself and sunni and shia sit down together and make peace and the new harmony arises, at that moment it will be fine because we will have contained them somehow. well, maybe. but when you talk that way about

a mission that you are embarking the united states military on, you might confuse people a little bit. not just overseas, but the people at home who are increasingly concerned about the very kinds of things you were talking about earlier. when you hear about minneapolis at hotbed of jihadist, when you hear about a guy who dies fighting against decency and civilization having worked on the tarmac at an airport. you say things are wrong here. this is a serious situation. and the president said we can contain it. we can manage this over time. that's not going to work. that won't fly with the electorate. >> not only that, chris, so he comes out today to speak a day late about the execution of this american journalist steven sotloff. it's like a throwaway at the end of his remarks. then he addresses the threat with isis. first of all he talks about how when that first emerged, when the threat of isis first emerged, this all began when they captured mosul, which is

actually five -- five months after they had actually captured fallujah in iraq. he completely ignores that. nobody holds him to account for m misstating when this started. the problem is he comes out and is not straight and then tries to blame it on the bush administration, the rise of isis. >> oh, yeah. >> seems like they don't even have their messaging clear on the political front never mind in the military front. >> so you've got joe biden, the secretary of defense, you have others that are ramping up the rhetoric. you have members of the president's own party, particularly those in difficult re-election cases i'll point out, who are pushing the president. you've got to go harder. you've got to speak clearly. you have to sound, dare i say it, bush-like, as you talk about the threat and what the united states is going to do about it. so the president obviously hears that, feels the squeeze, probably doesn't like it. >> and then says destroy. and then says, wait, i'm not george bush. manage. >> exactly. i'm nuanced.

i'm not bush. i'm nuanced. >> chris, good to see you. >> you bet. to the gates of hell, or just, you know, inside iraq just with targeted strikes that really are just defensive in nature. we have heard repeatedly that muslim countries need to take a bigger role in the fight against isis. just ahead we'll speak with a spokesman for one of america's biggest muslim communities about that. and why are democrats like al franken, jayne harmon and dianne feinstein encouraging the white house to get tougher on this terror threat? >> i think it's a major varsity team. i see nothing that compares with its vision -- viciousness. dad, i know i haven't said this often enough, but thank you. thank you mom for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote

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now, what we can't dismiss however is significant muslim voices around the world that are calling out isis. so when you look at for example a significant voice at the halifa, islam, commands a following of muslims in over 206 countries around the world where he is repeatedly calling out isis. him being not only a man of god but being god's man on earth means following him leads to divine protection. he has repeatedly called on isis not only for betraying teaches of islam, but for killing and leading especially youth down the path -- >> you look at the folks raising their hand to go in and fight them and i don't see one muslim country in there. not one. the uae made a statement today, but who has actually come out and said we will do it with you, america? >> well, uae should certainly be applauded even though there's always concerns with the way they treat their own citizens. there's two things i would say

about that. first is that there has been several muslim groups, muslim organizations. you have like the oic, the general secretary who had condemned isis -- well, so the biggest issue right now is even though you have organizations like the oic, like turkey's top cleric, all of the arab league, even though you have all these people condemning, you're right. not enough is being done. that's why i agree with you. not enough is being done. they need actual taxs. >> who would they listen to? who would this terror group listen to? >> they're not going to listen to anyone. which is why we look at the quran, the holy quran, our muslim scripture commands muslims that it's their responsibility to rise up and stop groups like isis who cause chaos and -- >> so is the answer to bomb them? is that the answer then we have to bomb them? >> no. i think any rational person will say that the history of the

world has shown that bombing and violence it does not solve any of these issues. it just leads to more violence. >> going to talk to them? >> what's happening right now is not incubated. this is a result of decades of violence. so what we need is a combination. israeli president shimon perez, his was very good was to send a u.n. peace keeping group led mostly by arabs and arab soldiers in order to solve this issue. so that plus attacking the ideology. we inject within our satellite station arab channel which we attack their ideology in the arab world. so it's going to be a fight against the ideology, a u.n. peace keeping council made up of arabs, but we need muslims to step up. we're trying to help lead the way. >> harris, good to see you. >> thank you, megyn. why are a growing number of dmn democrats pushing the white house to get tougher on the terrorists. of research.

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we've been winning this war against terrorism is ludicrous. we're facing a new danger now going after our people over there, which is threatening to become an actual country. and no one seems willing to take it on in the entire region. and we're not taking it on. how can you say we're winning, like he just said? the admiral just said. >> chris matthews stunned saying america is somehow winning the larger wor on terror. he's not the only one on the left worried about the way things are going. democratic pollster and ceo, the president taken heat this week from dianne feinstein saying he's too cautious, al franken's complaining. more and more hearing a growing chorus on the left saying he's not doing enough.

why? >> the fact is america's facing its greatest foreign policy challenge in an awfully long time. the democrats are in power and they are feeling heat. the answer is we need a three-pronged approach. there's no question that i think jayne harmon is right. the president needs to be out there doing more and saying more. i think number one we do need to strike at the heart of isis. we need to get them out of iraq. we can't do that on our own. we've got to engage the kurds and iraqis. they ultimately will be the ones to get the big lift. number two, we have to make sure they're ready to deal with a re-emergence of isis. and we have to encourage this new government -- >> trying. we were behind the regime change in iraq. >> and number three, i do think we can take a page out of hw's play book and put together an international coalition. frankly, unfortunately -- >> he's trying all that. >> until recent weeks there was no international pressure to do this. >> but president obama is trying all that. and yet still you've got

criticism coming from corners that are typically behind president obama. why? >> i think we need the president to be more actively engaged, to be forceful, to be at the nato summit couraging the other leaders including arab nations, jordan, saudi arabia, to get involved. >> are you surprised at how he is handling this? >> no. because obama is a deliberative thinker. this is not anything new. but he actually does need people from the left and the right around him to sort of help force this issue. i don't think that's a bad thing. i mean, we are a democracy. >> deliberative thinking is good. it's very good especially talking about a potential generation of conflict. we're going to send blood and treasure in there, you know, american troops potentially facing this group. but you need to make a call. and you need to be on it. and when you have the president misrepresenting the start of this whole thing when they captured mosul and five months prior to that they captured fallujah and he was calling them

jayvee. people are wondering if he is getting it. >> i think the fact is the intelligence on the ground is getting better and better assessing the threat on the ground. >> the intelligence knew. who's talking about john mccain? >> he's a spokesman on the right for foreign policy. he wanted to aramis is so fight assad. this is a morphing growing threat. and i don't think until recent weeks it was clear exactly the intensity of the threat and the ability of the international community in the region -- >> when they were flying their black al qaeda flags over fallujah and ramadi in january and the president was calling them jayvee, he had reason to think, uh-oh. >> i think the intelligence on the ground didn't pick up -- >> yes, it did. we just reported -- the intel was telling -- the intel community was telling him it's growing and you need to do something about it. >> do you think the maliki government was going to be able to support that? a. and, b, would the american people -- >> why didn't we push him out last month, last january?

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