>> really? >> on the plaza. >> i love it! >> there might be somebody getting hurt on the plaza. >> really? we'll be watching this weekend. in the meantime, thanks for watching this week. see you monday. social media campaign for isis is likely being run by an american from boston. police believe he's using his computer background to run the campaign. he fled the u.s. in 2006. new developments on how to push back against vladimir putin. president obama and our nato allies laying the ground work for a rapid response force against russian aggression. but will america act? martha: i'm martha maccallum.

the plans come as the violence of ukraine moves closer to a key port city in eastern ukraine. capturing that city could carve a clear path from there to crimea. nato leaders talking tough to russia now but will there be action to back it up is the question. >> reporter: what a dramatic turnaround. just a few days ago president obama and other nato allies were talking about the optimism of a ceasefire. that's unraveled the last 24-48 hours. nato is rushing to act. i think they are going to act on this rapid response force. 2,000 nato troops likely stationed in poland to act quickly if a nato ally is hit by russia in the years ahead.

but will they act on sanctions? >> he has some optimism about that but he also shares scepticism. we need russia to follow through in terms of not arming the separatists. >> reporter: the door open there, been rhode, saying to european sanctions. there have been u.s. sanctions that hit russia's economy. the european leaders talked a good game about sanctions and not all packed them up. martha: there is a lot on his plate for this summit. but the isis threat continues to be overshadowing discussions as well. >> reporter: in those comments how this could be a manageable

problem, there was news a few moments ago where secretary of state john kerry put a timetable on how long the u.s. thinks lit take to stop isis. it could take up to 3 years in kerry's word to questions troy isis. what about this idea a manageable problem, why is the president saying that? >> how to you tell the families of james foley and james sotloff is this is a problem that can be managed. >> what the president said is we need to tee grade and destroy isis. you are not going do that without putting in place a coalition. >> reporter: they are saying it will take time to destroy isis. secretary kerry said two, maybe up to three years.

general kirby at the pentagon says it won't take years and years. we are getting different answers from the administration as who how long it will take to destroy is * as they said they would do. bill: how critical is this moment for nato and for president obama? >> it's huge. this is the key moment for both of them. nato has article 5, an attack on one country is an attack on all. president obama actually mentioned that this week. putin has not been threatened by the sanctions they called for. democrats have been pushing for him to help arm ukraine because they are at such a disadvantage against russia. we don't nope what putin's next move will be. a huge moment for obama and nato today. bill: at this point physically

they have not been able to stop him. if you look at the map you can see he's trying to take another port city in the bottom right handle corner. the sanctions may work in time, but it's getting close to the time when that time has passed. >> ending how but continue talking about a ceasefire. he has done a lot of head fakes. but what about crimea. what about the 298 people who were shot out of the sky. there is no deal that can be acceptable to the obama administration without getting out of crimea and accepting responsibility for that. bill: he's not going to do that. if that's the case russia wins. we'll see it play out at 11:30 eastern time the president hold a solo press conference from wales. martha: comedy fans around the

world are in mourn thg today after the death of joan rivers. she was 81 years old. she was on life support after going into art yak arrest during a routine throat procedure. people are still asking what really happened at that medical facility. jonathan, investigations what he understand are now beginning on this. >> reporter: a lot of people around the country and around the world are asking klgt questio -- are asking thequestin rivers. now new york state officials are asking the same questions. she was having throat surgery when she apparently stopped breathing and went into cardiac arrest. according to the reporting of our corporate cousins the "wall street journal" her death is being investigated by the new

york department of health. it was licensed governor opening and has no previous violations that we are aware of. but obviously something went wrong when joan rivers was being operated on and what investigators and her family want to know is whether it was simply an unavoidable tragedy or the result of some sort of avoidable medical mistake. a very big question everyone wants answered. martha: we'll talk to an attorney about this later in the program. obviously everyone still reacting to this news and the tributes coming in from all over. >> from ordinary folks who loved her comedy to fellow comedians who were inspired by her and in some cases made nervous by her. david letterman talked about the first time she came out there, he says he was blown away by the

power and guts of her comedy. there has been a lot of tweets coming in paying tribute to her. her rnchy comedy wasn't everybody's cup of tea as we might say. but no one would deny she was a pioneer not just for women comeefor womencomediennes. her funeral will take place sunday. if it goes according to her wishes. she wrote in a book "i hate everyone" she wrote she wants a huge show biz affair. i want meryl streep dplieg my accents. and i want to wind machine so even in the casket my hair is blowing like beyonces. overrivers would have wanted

everyone -- joan rivers would have wanted everyone to have a little bit of fun at her funeral. martha: thank you very much. bill: many paying their respects online. ellen degeneral resroseannebarr. whoopi goldberg. my friend joan rivers has died, there are no words. bon voyage, joan. so entertaining to watch the early clips of her and how she built her career. >> martha: people who thought she could be too harsh at times. when you watch her on a set with people, no one can help,

everyone cracks up eventually even though they might think she was off the wall at times. everybody laughed eventually. she was an amazing force. martha: the august jobs report came out just a few minutes ago. employers added just 142,000 jobs in august. it's the smallest gain we have seen in 8 months. the unemployment rate falling to 6.1%. the real unemployment rate when you factor in those simply looking for work, it's much higher. it's 12%. we continue to keep an eye on the u.s. economy. manufacturing continues to do well. a lot of people asking, what's driving it. bill: 142,000 is not good. kentucky senator rand paul

calling out the president for what he calls a weak response to the growing threat of islamic terrorism. what now? we'll ask him. martha: former virginia governor bob mcdonnell guilty on multiple corruption charges. what is next for the man who was romney's short list or vice president. bill: find out who they say delayed a response to the attacks that night in benghazi. i said we are ready to go. he looks right through me and looks at the tv and says yout need to wait.

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bill: republican senator rand paul challenging the president's position on isis. he's my guest from washington. you wrop "today there are more terrorist groups than before 9/11. most notably isis. why do we find ourselves in a more dangerous world. and why after six years does president obama lack a strategy to deal with threats like isis? answer your own questions. >> i think chaos breeds terrorism. if you have a lack of order.

once we wiped out the regime in libya we had chaos. there are jihadists swimming in our embassy swimming pool as we speak. libya is much more ayotteic since we got rid of qaddafi. he was not a democrat, however, there was stability. now that he's gone the jihadists have run amuck. assad is an oh own don't radical jihadism. so now radical jihadism is growing in syria and we helped create a safe haven for them. bill: you were against intervention in libya and syria. so what's different now about isis? >> i think interesting thing is i have been saying i'm not an isolationist and they keep calling me that and they are

somehow surprised when they find out i'm not. i say that intervention should be judicious, it should be wise and with the consents of congress, that's what the constitution called for, but it also should be and go to the heart of people who are our enemies. radical islam attacked us on 9/11. they are our enemies. we need to be aware of that and we need to protect ourselves at home and around the world where our interests are involved. however, toppling dictators around the world has created more radical islam and aloud them to flourish. what i said is we made a mistake where we intervened but i never said we should never intervene. bill: to be clear, you say airstrikes against isis in iraq is something you favor. airstrikes in syria against isis is something you favor. >> i said is if the president

were a leader he would come to congress and ask for permission, that's' the way the constitution works, he would ask for permission to wage war against these people who are waging war against us. and the war would carry whether it is in syria or not, there are questions that have to be answered i don't have the answer for. are you willing to fly over air space without the permission of assad. i think assad might give permission to fly over air space to attack his enemies. bill: if the vote came to you would you vote yes or no. >> i would vote yes and i would do it in a heart beat. radical islam is a threat to the united states, our embassies, our journalists. the end to this war. the final resolution of this war will not come from the west.

it will come from civilized islam which is the vast majority of islam. they need to rise up and wipe out these par baric elements that i think are not true cuss toldans of the religion. d -- are not true custodians of the religion. saudi arabia needs to step up and say we are going to be part of the solution, that is wiping out the radical elements that don't represent true islam. ultimately that has to come from islam itself. but in the meantime america needs to protect ourselves from terrorism. bill: you write jihadists sphwhim our embassy pool. syria has become a jihadist wonderland. here is hillary clinton. here she was in nevada talking about what she thinks is the

greatest danger to us today. and it's not islamic terrorism. >> the most consequential urgent sweeping collection of challenges we face, sea levels are rising, ice caps are melting, storms, droughts and wildfires are wreaking havoc. bill: what's that all about? >> i don't think we want a commander-in-chief who is battlele climate change instead of terrorism. she is also out there saying isis is not a threat to america. those i think were her exact word. bill: did she say that? >> i believe a couple of months ago there was a quote from her saying isis is not a threat to america. for her to be out there saying the biggest threat to our safety and our well being is climate change, i think is -- goes to the heart of the matter whether she has the wisdom to lead the

country which i think it's obvious she doesn't. bill: senator rand paul from washington. thank you for your time today. martha: mitt romney taking on president obama in a blistering editorial. does the white house start cutting the military at the possible time? bill: the third american infected with ebola in best africa back home. what is the prognosis. first some emotional words from his wife. >> i'm overwhelmed and abun damagely blessed about all the kind words people have said about rick since the news of his sickness broke. virtually all your important legal matters in just minutes. now it's quicker and easier for you to start your business, protect your family, and launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. in the nation...

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we talked about russia's intentions in ukraine. the rebels sent out word that they signed a ceasefire where many ukrainians believe russian forces have been taking the battle to them for the past two weeks. we are watching this story. we'll see where it goes. general jack keane on this the next hour. martha: the third american missionary infected with the ebola virus in west africa is back on american soil. dr. rick sacra arriving in nebraska for medical treatment this morning. what do we know so far? >> reporter: the medevac from liberia came off without a hitch. dr. sacra arriving just after daybreak after that long flight

from monrovia. he was infected with ebola while work as a medical missionary at one of the largest clinics in west africa. he was infected with an object hby a patient whocame into his t show symptoms of ebola. >> rick is clearly sick but he's in very good spirp its and he walked on to the plane. we are encouraged by that news and looking forward top reuniting with him. >> reporter: his wife said he walked on to the plane. when he got here to the hospital he was taken out on a gurney have much like nurse nancy writebol. but that's more a factor after

long flight and you have been lying down the whole time. they probably thought it best to have him come in a gurney rather than walking into the medical center. martha: are there concerns about bringing in another patient with ebola into the country? >> reporter: this is the state of the art center here in omaha. it's the largest containment unit in the country. doctors said they felt like they had an obligation to give dr. sacra the best care possible. >> people will ask why are we bringing somebody here with ebola virus infection and my answer is this is part of our mission. these healthcare providers were on a mission in africa and our mission is to take care of

patients. >> reporter: you might be asking why here in nebraska instead of sending dr. sacra to university. they wanted to make sure more than one bio containment unit was up to speed in case the very worst happens. martha: john, thank you very much. bill: will the president be able to build a coalition to stop isis. americans want to know. dr. ed royce is our guest next. martha: 13 hours of terror in benghazi. >> i can talk about what happened on ought ground that night to us, to myself twice and to tig once. it happened that night. it happened. we were told to wait and stand down. we were delayed three times.

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martha: congress is planning to hold a hearing on the administration's reaction to the isis threat. they are asking for a briefing on the plan of answer against this isis group. so what do you want to ask john kerry. >> we want to see a strategic plan to defeat isis laid out. members of congress have been arguing for months that isis should not be given sanctuary, we should hit those targets from the air and we should be delivering the weaponry needed by the kurd. we understand they still don't have the anti-tang missiles and the other weapons they need. where is the strategic plan to

roll back the advances of isis? martha: how power does congress have in those decisions? >> i think we have consider ability to influence this. but i think it drives the argument. when the american public realize it's been years now that isis has been building this support and at the same time when you hear the president say we are going to lead from behind or this is the jv team, it's important to lay out the fact before the american public that this is a terrorist organization that's militarily stronger and has more resources at its disposal than al qaeda. so we have a real threat here, an organization saying they are going to carry the war to america and are recruiting foreign fighters with passports in europe that can come to the u.s. and in here in the united states in order to train them. we should not allow that training to continue. we should hit nose bases.

the president should lay out a plan to do that. we need to lead on this and bring other coalition partners with us. martha: you bring up great points about homeland security. i'm wondering if you will have questions about what our status is here. david cameron made it clear they are going to input a temporary rule that would allow them to yang passports from people they suspect. should we have a rule here as well? >> there are approximately 100 americans that have gone there to fight with isis. but there are 00 more that have gone to the region that we sort of lost connection with. we definitely should have a system to be monitoring and be aware and to be able to block those who have gotten training from isis who could come back to the united states.

our secondary problems ... martha: you said we should have a system to identify them. do any level of confidence that we do? that we know who these individual are or we have an ability to track them effectively? >> i know we have not taken the steps necessary for our security. and i think this is one of the important things we need to lay out. and american should understand that there are 2,000 foreign fighter from europe that have passports who can travel back to the capitals of europe, then travel to the united states. and we have got to get a handle on this threat. because we will be visited by people who will be taught to carry out threats and make bombs. martha: we have terror watchlists and i would be curious to know what john kerry would say about this.

are these individual on our watchlist or no fly list? is there a special task force? we have heard nothing about a ramped up effort in light of this new threat. >> the first rule of counter-terrorism, do not give them sanctuary and do not give them a safe haven to train and prepare attacks. that's exactly what was allowed with respect to the terrorist training cams over the iraqi border in syria which we did not hit and take out. i think it's the responsibility of the president of the united states to have hit those assets down there and taken out those trainers and taken out the munitions and taken out the terrorists with air power. the fact that we have let this go and especially over the last 7, 8 months as we watched these columns of isis fighters travel city by city and have not hit them by the air, this is irresponsible. we need to degrade and remove

this threat and air power can do it, and frankly we should have been putting the weapons to the kurd on the ground -- we don't want u.s. troops on the ground. but the free syrian army and the kurds could have been armed to take on isis. this need to be done. martha: thank you very much. we'll be watching. bill: the benghazi attacks on three security staffers. they claim they were held back from responding on orders from the top cia officer there. this airs for the first time tonight hosted by bret baier. >> thumbs up we are ready to go. i said we are ready to go. bob looks right through me and said you need to wait. >> bob was the cia's base chief

in benghazi. he's on the phone talking to somebody. i assume they were trying to goodr coordinate us tooling up with the local mission. >> 15 minutes, i got out of the car, and we are standing on the front porch and i just said, hey, when need to get over there. we are losing the initiative. bob looked straight at me and said stand down we need to wait. >> we started getting calls from the state department guys saying we are taking fire, we need you guys here. we need help. >> after being told to wait the security team said they defied orders and headed to the consulate on their own. they asked repeatedly for armed air support which never came. the team believes if they hadn't been delayed a half-hour, things what have turned out

differently. >> if i gave you that 30 minutes back would ambassador stevens and sean ship be alive today? >> they would have been alive. >> i strongly believe if we had left immediately they would still be alive today. >> reporter: i asked about that infamous youtube video blamed for the violence of benghazi. there was no whisper this video was a major problem in benghazi? >> i didn't know about a video until i got to germany. reporter: in a statement to fox news a senior intelligence official insisted quote there were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support. >> reporter: who used the words stand down. >> a number of people. >> reporter: a number of people insist there was no standdown order given to american personnel attempting to offer assistance that evening.

what do you say to that? >> it happened. >> it happened. all i catalk about is what happened on the ground that night to us, to myself twice, and to tig once. it happened that night. it happened. we were told to wait, and stand down. we were delayed three times. bill: .not miss fox news reporting "13 hours in benghazi" hosted by bret baier at 10:00 p.m. eastern time. bret says of all the hours he has done, this is the most dramatic. martha: stunning. to listen to those men. earn has been waiting for so long to hear from those people on the ground. we'll look forward to that. mitt romney is slamming president obama over cuts in the military budget at a time when our country faces numerous

threats. bill: lava flows through dozens of homes as people are told to make a run for it. >> it's within close enough proximity that the community could be affected. the time frame we don't know.

martha: there are reports coming in from a.p. and others that ukraine and the russian-backed rebels have signed a ceasefire deal that starts in less than two hours. this is according to a european official at the top. there is also word poland is saying they have increased security that would come from a nato military force that would strengthen their presence in the area and they believe that is sending a powerful signal to their eastern neighbors meaning russia as well. so a lot of developments coming through in the ukraine situation. bill: mitt romney back with a

powerful statement against president obama and those who wants to shrink the u.s. military. this is what mitt romney writes. russian invades, china bullies, iran spins centrifuges. and washington slashes the military. self arguments top justify the decimation of our defense. all of them wrong. >> i always thought for my part mitt romney should have made the ability to foretell the future central to his campaign and maybe he would have won. maybe when the obama campaign and the media made fun of him point out russia was a geopolitical foe and talk about

jihadism in mali maybe they shouldn't have brushed him off. i'm not a republican or conservative who thinks you can never cut defense. but we are look at a world now saying maybe a smaller active duty military is maybe not what we need. bill: you are saying it's not the time. juan, where are you on this? >> i think you can cut the military. i'm sorry, mitt romney, the former presidential candidate says we are decimating our military. we have a military 20 times larger than any other military in the world. and he talks about have nukes and china getting stronger. but i don't think anyone would contest america's military superiority. we are not on superior, we are better in terms of our strategic ability to get the job done. secretary rumsfeld said we need

a faster force to respond to a new threat which is basically the terrorist threat, not other nations. bill: why not keep it the best in the world? >> it is the best in the world. when you have huge things like the latest military helicopter -- the military says it doesn't want, but you have areas of the country that have congressional support because they have jobs, you say build that helicopter, give us those missiles. the military doesn't even want them. bill: i think all of these debates lead us to one point and romney addressed that. he said failures of imagination led to tragedy 13 years ago. today no imagination is needed to what would descend on the united states if we let down tour guard. mk, that's 9/11. >> americans are looking around saying do we have a strategy. president obama does seem to think the job entailed

explaining to us the world is messy so chill. but the job actually requires anticipating the mess with our military strength and with the reputation that we have for deploying it. juan is right that we do have strategic power and we are a better military than the rest of the world. the world needs that military power and needs -- but the military need that strategy and obama is not offering that. bill: juan? >> i think we need america to be a super power. so i appreciate that point. but once you get into a conversation about simply pouring more money into the military, you ignore the realities which is what we want is an effective force that cannot only deal with other nation states, russia right now. but largely with these terrorists that continue to provide a tremendous challenge to american way of life and a threat to our national

interests. bill: he writes freedom and peace are in the balance. one more point on all this. the gallup poll has hah number out that puts the president at his lowest approval rating ever. he's now at 38%. if you reflect on the moments in the world. people are concerned. they don't know what's about to happen. >> this used to be his strong suit and it no longer is with good reason. i think people wanted to believe what was a comfortable fiction that the world was safer and all these thing had been taken care of under his watch and i don't think that's the case and that's what we are learning now. bill: juan, quickly, last word? >> i think the poll reflects anxiety with all these world crises. even if the economy getting better. people are week, whoa, it seems like something terrible is about to happen. they are just not comfortable.

martha: more on the passing of joan rivers. she died after what was described as a routine procedure. what really went wrong and could there be a lawsuit? first, a classic moment from rivers on the "ed sullivan" show. >> you are 30 years old and not married you are an old maid. a man 90 years old, he's not married, he's a catch.

>> it's hard to think it was 21 years ago when you first came

out. see you went to buy sexy underwear and they automatically gift wrapped it. martha: a classic moment between joan rivers and johnny carson. no topic was off limits for rivers, including herself. but what really happened regarding her death. >> it's a sad day. martha: everybody is remembering joan rivers. we are enjoying looking at these clips and remembering her extraordinary career. let many tack many the question of the career first. you make points about how edgy she we willy was and how daring she was and sometimes it was met with comedic response and laughs

and sometimes she would stop people in their tracks. >> reporter: joan rivers was one of a kind. yes, she was caustic. but she was fearless as a comedienne, fearless as a woman and she was more than 50 years of funny through tragedy and triumph. her loss is a terrible loss. i have to say this is also been a great year for her. she was back on "the tonight show" after a 25-year ban. she has been on network tv. two weeks ago there she was on fashion police once again telling how people dressed not so great for the emmys. this is an end that was too soon for a career that was so great. martha: so many young people think of her as the fashion police. but i'm glad they have a chance to look at the rest of her career. fearless is the best word to

describe joan rivers. let's talk about the legal side of this. it seems like a crazy medical story to be at this outpost clinic to have this procedure done and this was a fairly new clinic, right? >> right now this is in the early stages, the new york health department has said it is investigating the clinic where she was having what was a routine throat procedure before she went into a cardiac arrest which ultimately led to her death. but this is at the earl stages of this investigation. what could give us more information is if an autopsy is performed. there are some suggesting the family might take legal action but that is only a suggestion and conjecture and i think they are much more consumed with the mourning of a comic legend. martha: the services will be held sunday in manhattan. dominic, thank you, we'll see you next time.

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people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. martha: a fox news alert. we are getting reports that pro-russian separatists and ukraine have just signed a ceasefire deal and that it is set to go into effect about one hour from now. the rebels say that they still want to split from ukraine and that raises questions about the viability of any ceasefire. but this is the breaking news at this hour. we'll get more as we move along. the hunt is on for a tech savvy terrorist from boston. he's an american computer whiz suspected of leading in the the social media campaign for isis. welcome. a brand-new hour of america's newsroom. bill: that american on the run possibly hiding in syria they believe already on the fbi's

most wanted list for terror activity. he went to the middle east in 2004 and worked on media outreach for al qaeda in iraq. exactly the kind much threat that law enforcement worries about every single day. >> he's somebody who knows the english language and was taken into the jihad crusade. he will use the language skills and social media skills he probably developed here in the united states to try and do what isis is doing, they are trying to recruit from within. martha: it's what they have been worried about for a long long time. catherine herridge live in washington. what are we learning on this? >> reporter: new intelligence prompted the fbi to add ahmed to the most wanted list. according to federal court documents reviewed by fox news he sought training in pakistan,

yemen and eventually aligned himself with al qaeda. he may be the driving force behind the terror group's social media presence. >> he's playing a major role. he has computer savvy skills he honed in the united states. he speaks fluent english and arabic. >> reporter: the special agent in charge in boston told reporters he continues to be of strong interest to the bureau but did not comment directly on these suspicions. martha: who is he connected to? >> reporter: a report shows he's linked to a close group of americans who were the first to create this digital jihad.

they include an alabama native who was killed. and his close friend who also works with al qaeda in iraq. for mehanna the government says he translated a pivotal work for american sympathizers called 39 what is to support jihad. they said harnessing the internet and the web were the keys to spreading the message. he has taken his expertise to help make that possible for isis. martha: catherine, thank you very much. bill: the august jobs report shows the so-called recovery hitting the brakes. we added only 142,000 jobs last month. the unemployment rate dropped a smidge. but the real unemployment rate

is 12 per. here to break it down is stuart varney, host of varney and company. $42,000, that's -- 142,000, that's not going to cut it. >> reporter: to say this is a disappointing report is an understatement. for five years we have been promised the jobs breakout is coming. job growth last month was the slowest of the year. number two, there are few new well-paid jobs. only 2,000 new manufacturing jobs. number three, wages are largely not keeping pace with inflation which means middle america is losing ground. number four, perhaps most important, america is not at work. this is the labor participation rate which slipped another notch in this last monthly report. you cannot grow the economy when so many people are not working in the labor force. look at that. 62.8% is a generation aloe.

bill, this is another crisis for president obama. because after five years his policies have not produced prosperity for middle america and now we have taken another leg down, more weakening in the job market. bill: why is this happening? why the slowdown in snawg is there a reason for it? >> a lot of analysts are trying to say there is a seasonal remember for this. but that excuse is wearing thin after all these years. there is always an excuse. weep often in the last five years have had an uptick in the economy and the jobs market and then it tails back down again. that's the pattern in each of the last five years. i don't think you can blame that on seasonal factors. the stock market is close to all-time highs because this weak economy may mean we'll keep interest rates at rock bottom lows for a long time to come, that's good for stocks.

so we have the market 17,000 on the dow industrials. bill: see you in 55 minutes on fbn. martha: the administration revealing healthcare.gov was hacked in july. they say no information was compromised but darrell issa is calling for a hearing. he says considering this administration launched healthcare got governor over the protests of cms, it's unsurprising that the website was hacked. let's bring in chris stirewalt. chris, good morning to you. so much going on in the world we haven't paid a lot of attention to obamacare recently but we find out in a delayed way that the system was hacked. >> oh, six weeks ago somebody

hacked the system and it's probably fine. don't worry about anything. this is of course news but not a surprise. because this warning came out repeatedly, not just from republicans, but from bureaucrats and tech krats and everybody who could think to say if you lawn' this website and create this giant, it's the -- for hackers it's like putting a huge basket of chicken wings out on a table during a football game. this most desirable imaginable thing that the hackers will be ready, the security is not ready, you have done it wrong. they repro seeded any -- they proceeded anyway. but this wears out the negatives about this program and living up to the peck stations. martha: what is the expectation of disclosure.

how did the news get out it was hacked. six weeks late, and what is the responsibility of the administration to all those people who signed up? >> according to the administration the responsibility has been met in saying it happened, it's fine, don't worry about it. according to the republican county has not been met. but the point here is washington talks an awful lot about transparency, endless talk about transparency. transparency isn't buckets without real accountability. if there isn't accountability and people can be brought to account for what we have done right and what we have done wrong. transparency doesn't matter. what's going on here is does anybody -- is there an independent view -- is there an independent view of this law, this website that has been so heinously miss managed? is there a view of this people can feel comfortable in because this administration and this government has a terrible track record when it comes to this

website and this program. >> martha: so much focus on overseas news. but when it comes to companies and individual, this is affecting their bottom line. >> reporter: it's become very trendy in washington to say obamacare doesn't matter that much and it's cool, it's not affecting anything. well, it's not affecting anything because we may not be doing a billion stories on it a day. but the reality is. the phase of the i am in 0 days between now and the election this will go from theoretical

spin. bill: 10 minutes past the hour. a startling accusation against the justice. martha: the victims of the benghazi attack. could they have been saved? members on the security team on the ground saying an official ordered them to hold back. bill: some backlash after a top democrat evokes images of violence to attack a republican governor. >> what extremists like stock walker are doing is grabbing us by the hair and pulling us back. a body at rest tends to stay at rest...

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including our ambassador christopher stevens. they say they were indeed ordered to stand down for half an hour while that attack was underway. in an exclusive fox news interview they tell bret baier the orders came from the top cia officer at that secret an ex-which was about a mile d secret annex which was amile away from the compound. >> a number of people insist no one was hindered from responding to the situation at the compound. they said there was no -- thereo standdown order given to offer assistance. >> it happened. all i can talk about is what happened on ought ground that night to us, to myself twice, and to tig once. it happened that night. it happened. we were told to wait, and stand down.

we were delayed three times. martha: . texas congressman lewis gehme joins us. this is an amazing story. it has left the headlines for quite some time. but we all waited to hear from the people who were on the ground whose voices have been muffled in this entire conversation since it happened. what do you make of the discrepancy between what they say and what these committees on the hill say happened? >> the house intelligence committee is composed of good people who mean well and want to do well, but their problem is they get information from the intelligence officials that give hem the administration line. i can give you an example. several months after the benghazi attack happened.

we were in a non-classified setting being briefed by the head of the intelligence committee. , i heard from people i trust with my life that some of the things he was saying were not right. he said i know some of you have been told there is no -- there are people at walter reed that suffered injuries sat benghazi and i can promise you there is nobody at walter reed that was-hurt at benghazi. i couldn't sit quite and i yelled out that's not true. i had hundred' with one out there yesterday. and he was shocked to hear that. then he came up later and said i checked our intelligence people they say the guy you had lunch with is having physical therapy but he's not there. i said his building is. i told him where he was residing and his apartment, and he was

there with his wife and two little children and his mother-in-law stayed with him. and i had been with him and seen him and talked to him and his information was just wrong. that just gives an example of how they have been fed false information. i tell you something else. after over a year, after benghazi i had an intelligence officer working north africa at the time, i said where have you been? he said i have been scared. i said you have never been scared a day in your life. he said they have made me scared. andism out of intelligence. out of the government, and so i thought maybe i could say hi now. this is how scary this administration has been to some of our people that have been willing to lay down their lives for the country and they let those people die at benghazi. they could have gotten planes there sooner. they could have gotten people

there sooner. anybody that knows anything will disregard what some of these high intelligence people say and will get straight to the truth and it's great to hear really american heroes come forward like these guys have. martha: i'll ask you a silly, simple question. why would all these people be told not to talk? >> well, that's a great question. but obviously somebody had a vested interest in keeping them quiet. and the administration knew about petraeus' affair for nearly a year. why did they sit on it until petraeus knew of the susan rice talking points were a lie and then they run him out so he can't be out there blasting that. these people are insidious to what they have done and it needs

to be exposed. there are people who say what difference at this point does it make? it makes a difference in saving the lives of patriots in the future. martha: these three people are speaking. they have a book coming out very soon. and they are telling their story. and we have not heard -- with the exception of the testimony we heard from the second in command station chief who was in tripoli who was very compelling when he spoke before congress when he spoke about the concerned phone call he got from christopher stevens saying we are under attack. now you have these three individuals who are over at the annex. and where tyrone woods and glenn dougherty lost their lives. they are not going to be silent anymore. hugh.that change? what -- how does that change? what happens now? >> maybe it will give courage to

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eastern. bill: the ceasefire in the battle between ukraine and pro-russian militants. will the ceasefire stick and what happens next with putin.

♪ ♪ bill: fox news confirming a ceasefire has been reached between ukraine and pro-russian separatists expected to start about 30 minutes from now. general jack keane is a fox news military analyst and, sir, hello to you. we've got a lot of new developments on this. why now and, i guess, do you believe the ceasefire? >> well, yes, i do. i mean, poroshenko, the fact of the matter is, they're in a desperate situation. when the russian front line troops came in and turned around the success that the ukrainian military had had for some months in pushing back the separatists,

the casualties are very high, the hospitals are flooded with those casualties. senator mccain called me, who's in kiev, and related all that information to me, you know, last night about how serious the situation was. he did expect poroshenko to agree to a ceasefire just to stop the bloodbath that was taking place. i think the result is this, bill, putin has won again. the ceasefire will underscore the territory that he has now seized in southeastern ukraine which gives him another port and also gives him a land bridge. i don't believe for a minute that the ceasefire will lead to the separatists pulling back or the russians pulling back anytime soon. this is about annexation of more territory for putin and another victory for him and a slap in the face to the united states and europe. bill: yeah. victory for putin. general, i want to show a map to our viewers, okay? poland to the west, russia to the east, ukraine sandwiched in between.

just advance it one time because what the general was talking about, here's the capital city of kiev. crimea was annexed a few months back, already in russian control. but all the fighting's been happening in donetsk and luhansk, and this port city of mariupol seems to be the target. you would have, essentially, this land bridge that connects russia down here to crimea, and you would simply take that. and you have all this access to the water that's vital not only from a military standpoint, but from a mineral and natural resources standpoint. ultimately, is that what putin wants? >> yes, he does want that. but geopolitically, what he's seeking also, remember how star. the people came into the streets and opposed the yanukovych government which is a stooge for putin because he was not going to let them align with europe economically. and as a result of that, they pushed back hard on the people, the people pushed back on them

and forced yanukovych to flee. that is when putin seized crimea. we didn't do much about it, and here he is doing the second thing in terms of seizing eastern and southeastern ukraine. what he's trying to achieve with the ukraine government, he does not want them to turn to the west as they're indicating they want to do to even join nato. he wants them to stay aligned with them, and he's using military force to do it. bill: quickly, president obama speaks in one hour, we'll carry that live here on fox news. the sanctions may work, but it may take some time for them to be more effective. but physically, if nato and the u.s. do not want to stop putin, it's over, right? >> well, i think putin's ultimate strategy will be to challenge nato in the baltics or in poland using russia minorities as an excuse to go in there. because i think he believes that -- at least he's not confident they would respond. and all of our actions to date

indicate that maybe we would not respond. the graphic reaction force which i think is going to be proposed by nato, that is not going to prevent putin. that is what everything we've done to date, it's reactionary. we had a successful nato post-world war ii because we had 600,000 u.s. troops in europe, 500,000 of them were army, larger than the army is today. that was there to prevent russian aggression. the fact of the matter is a rapid reaction force would react to the what? it would react to russian aggression. it would come, it would only come in after the russians are doing something. bill: right. >> we need permanent troops in the baltics or in poland. this is the only thing that putin truly understands. the president is wrong when he says there's no military solutions. military action is only used to accomplish political and national strategic objectives. here the objective is to prevent putin's aggression. use military power to prevent it by placing it in the right place. bill: and many are dubious that

that nato force will ever come to fruition. general, thank you. jack keane in washington, thank you, sir. the president speaks in one hour. we'll carry it for you live. martha: a terrifying scene at a fast food drive through, cars smashed by a sign. wait until you hear what the workers say happened before that accident. bill: also republicans accusing the goth of hiding -- the government of hiding a former irs employee. where is that lawyer now? we'll find out. >> that's not the way our system works! you have to answer the other side's questions. i think these questions are fair. the tea party's very dangerous. dangerous to whom? whom, ms. lerner? who thinks they're dangerous? you?

♪ ♪ bill: where will this story lead now? a top house republican writing to the justice department demanding it hand over information on a lawyer who used to work under lois lerner, the

former irs official under investigation for targeting conservative groups. congressman jim jordan wants information writing, quote: bill: an attorney representing tea pay groups targeted by the irs, good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: have you ever met him? >> i've never met him, but interestingly enough, he was the first person i talked to from the irs back in the spring of 2010, and he was the one -- working in the washington office, not cincinnati -- and that's when i began to realize there was something going on at the irs, because it was an application for c4 status for a group that had been opposed to obamacare, and we filed that application in october of 2009. we should have had that by the end of 2009, and we didn't hear anything until 2010, and he was the one --

bill: yeah. he was your first contact at the irs. what was his job? >> >> well, at the time he was an agent in the washington office under lois lerner in the exempt organizations division in washington. not in cincinnati, but washington. and, you know, that organization didn't get its exempt status for another three years, until last summer. or a year ago this summer. but when i met with the department of justice investigators and the fbi, the criminal investigators back in february, i told them to find him because he was there at the beginning. they didn't tell me and i didn't know until a few weeks ago that he was at the department of justice. but let me tell you another interesting thing. when we looked for him after we met with the department of justice and the fbi back in february, he was at the white house counsel's office. that's where he was then. and then he went back to the department of justice and was representing one of the targeted groups, one of the pro-israel groups. so he's right in the middle of everything, and now the justice

department won't say where he is. bill: well, where is he? there's google, we can find him that way. is he hiding or what? >> well, he left, apparently, the department of justice a few weeks ago, within the last few weeks, and the department of justice will neither tell congressman jordan or congressman issa where he is, but they've asked to interview him, and the department of justice says, well, we're going to represent him, okay, fine, produce him, and they say but he doesn't work for us. they're trying to hide him for good reason. he knows a lot. bill: this is from an irs manager at the time. quote: in march of 2010, strelka received an e-mail directing him to be on the lookout for a tea party case. if you have received or do receive a case in the future involving an exemption for an organization having to do with tea party, let me know. department of justice says he's no longer an employee. it says we're already conducting

our own active investigation. what would you say to that? >> i would say that they need to produce him so that the congressional investigators can ask him questions, because that is what they're obligated to do. and if the justice department is representing him, they need to produce him. normally, these employees get their own come, and the department of -- their own counsel, and the department of justice pays for it, but they have their own lawyers. for some reason, they're not letting him appear with the congressional investigators, and i think it's very worrisome. bill: we'll see when he turns up. you imagine he will at some point. thank you for your time, out of washington. >> thank you. ♪ ♪ martha: ebay users worldwide reporting trouble logging on to the auction site. the e-retailing giant blaming a technical glitch due to routine server maintenance, but some are wondering if there's more to this story. what could it be? senior correspondent adam houseley live in los angeles. adam, what are they alleging? >> reporter: well, you know, anytime you have an outage or a

problem with a major internet player like ebay, the company, of course, is going to put out their spin, you're also going to bring out a lot of people online that are going to allege a lot of things, conspiracy theorists as well. there have been some serious allegations, some that the outage was not the result of a scheduled maintenance and that many more users were affected than ebay let on. also that, potentially, they may have redrafted their user agreement, maybe they changed some language about reimbursing users during times of outages, some allege policies and features have been changed when there's been no prior announcement about this. it's been a tough year for ebay, this is the 11th service outage this year alone. it's also bringing up questions about how much we do as a society online, how much we use online, depend on line, work online, live online especially in light of the apple attack,

those nude pictures and also the facebook outage. so, again, ebay goes down, and a lot of people are suggesting a lot of things, martha. martha: have they officially responded to these outages? >> reporter: yeah. you know, they gave an official response on wednesday, and we have part of that statement here that basically says, quote: based on our initial investigation, this was the result of technical issue that occurred during scheduled server maintenance. some of our affected sellers may have questions about their sales activity in the coming days, we will discuss with them separately on possible fee deductions. this has a lot of people frustrated, it was the largest outage they've ever had. again, there's a lot of allegations out there, and i can tell you from working with this stuff, you have a lot of people that come out that kind of muck up the stuff, so you have to wade through to get to the truth. martha: we'll see. adam, thanks. bill: some mcdonald's customers caught off guard after

the golden arches sign came crashing down smashing their cars in the drive through lane outside of oklahoma city. that is not what you want when you say supersize. thankfully, only minor injuries reported. >> all of a sudden as i was looking at the menu, i sort of saw a shadow on my hood, and i looked over, that pole was just almost right in my face. bill: wow. an employee there at donald's says the golden arches sign had been creeking lately in the wind. a local fire chief still investigating the cause of what happened. you know, they always get you in the drive-thru. martha: when you hear the creeking, i guess you better pay attention. tell somebody, say something. all right, remember that deadly cobra we told you about in california putting folks a little on edge? i would be on edge if i saw this outside my house. folks may now be able to breathe easier, we'll tell you why. bill: also, the furious backlash

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♪ ♪ martha: the democratic national chief chair debbie wasserman-schultz stirring up a political firestorm with some comments about wisconsin governor scott walker. the florida congresswoman attacking the republican governor using the emotionally-charged language of domestic violence. listen to this. >> scott walker has given women the back of his hand, and there is no -- i know that is direct, but that is reality. what republican tea party

extremists like scott walker are doing is they are grabbing us by hair and pulling us back. martha: wow. governor walker calling those comments outrageous, wasserman schultz saying, quote: i shouldn't have used the words that i used. that shouldn't detract from the broader point that i was making that scott walker's policies have been bad for wisconsin women, she says. so where does that leave us? guy benson, fox news contributor, richard fowler is the host of the richard fowler radio show. welcome, gentlemen. >> morning, martha. martha: i just want to get in this other sound bite that we have from this morning from the wisconsin lieutenant governor who's a woman. here's what she said. >> they are horrible, hideous remarks where she belittles the victims of domestic violence in order to score cheap political points. an apology means saying you're sorry, and debbie wasserman schultz not only did not do that, but she's certainly encouraging mary burke to come

out and apologize or denounce her remarks, as she should. martha: walker is in a race for the governor's job with mary burke. according to real clear politics, she's up by four points right now, so it's a pretty tight race. richard, what do you make of this whole controversy? >> listen, i hear where the republicans are coming from on this one. debbie wasserman schultz is my hometown congresswoman, and i think these comments went a little too far. clearly, she's trying to roll the comments back. i think every politician makes these type of gaffes or mistakes, but it doesn't take away from scott walker's record which is i think what the people of wisconsin are looking to. his record when it comes to a woman's right to choose, when it comes to equal pay for women, his record when it comes to, you know, allowing folks to have a voice at the workplace. and that's the most important thing in this race, not what debbie wasserman schultz says. martha: guy, what do you think? >> what debbie wasserman-schultz has done is express regret.

i think scott walker should accept the quasi-apology and go on to actually talk about his record. i think he'd be very happy to talk about his record. he's created a situation at least in the state that has led to more than 100,000 new jobs, they've brought down the unemployment rate, they've erased a structural deficit while relieving the tax burden on all wisconsin taxpayers. he's really put the state on a good fiscal path after the terrible train wreck that was left by previous administration of which mary burke, his opponent, was a part. i think he'd be delighted to talk about his record. debbie wasserman schultz by using that graphic, totally inappropriate imagery, was trying to, i think, detract from a legitimate debate about what governor walker has accomplished in that state. martha: well, in his response, governor walker has said that not only was it outrageous towards me, somebody who actually helped build a number of domestic violence shelters and who signed some of the most aggressive domestic violence laws in the country, but it's

just plain offensive to anyone, and he goes on from there. richard, politically does this backfire? you know, does it in a way give walker a chance to sort of speak out more firmly to those who don't know his complete record? >> well, listen, this is where i agree with guy. i think that the governor should talk about his record. and if you look at the voters in wisconsin, all the recent polling shows you the reason why he's down in the polls has everything to do with his horrible record when it comes to equal pay for women, when it comes to the right to collectively bargain in the workplace. so i think we can have a debate about the record. the walker campaign understands if they go after this, they can sort of put up a smoke screen and use that to gain some points in the polls. but at the end of the day, this race is going to be about kitchen table issues, and the people of wisconsin know scott walker doesn't care about them. martha: guy, you're shaking your head. >> no, look, if you look at the most recent polls from marquette

university, the race is tied. >> she's up four though, guy. >> hey, hang on. i didn't interrupt you, richard. in that poll a majority of wisconsin voters say that the state is on the right track and say that scott walker's policies over the last four years are helped the state, and when you talk about collective bargaining and that whole controversy, they trayed to recall him from -- they tried to recall him from office, and mary burke isn't even running on that issue anymore. they're moving on to new issues. martha: swre men, thank you. one thing it's definitely done is put this race in the national spotlight at least today. everybody's taking a look. richard, guy, thank you. >> see you next time, martha. bill: so he wanted a picture of a great white shark, but what happens when the shark eats your camera? the best fish story of the week is next. ♪ ♪ one of the miller twins has a hearing problem.

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♪ ♪ bill: all he wanted was a picture of a great white shark, but this shark doesn't want his picture taken. a $12,000 camera gone. the man holding that camera was andy, he's out of naples florida. good morning to you. >> i'm good. good morning. bill: you're off the southern coast of new zealand trying to capture the great white, and what happened? >> well, i made a few critical mistakes. first off, i just completed filming some sequences for shark

week, so i thought i'd try out this prototype system which was built into this 360 array, and my number one mistake is i let the shark lull me into this sense of false security where i thought, oh, he's just going to check it out, come up and give it a look. second mistake was that i didn't have it tethered off so, basically, the shark came up, it bit the 360 rig, ripped it off, and then i tried to, basically, do whatever i could to get it back, but it was too late. bill: so another shark came birks put it in his mouth -- came by, put it in his mouth and didn't like the taste east. >> so the camera's about 150 feet down on the ocean floor somewhere between new zealand and probably taiwan at point. you know, nobody really knows. i really wanted to get out of the cage, swim down and go get it, but it was slightly suicidal just because there's tons of

white sharks there. they're not out to get you, but, you know, they're in a hunting mode there, so it's kind of risky. bill: can you imagine, i mean, you're going for this shot, and you got the shot. but now you can't bring it back. imagine what that was like with those jaws going over that camera lens. >> yeah, tell me about it. i keep thinking of it. it would have been epic because it gives you that whole 360 immersive look of what it's like to be inside the mouth of a great white. ultimately, the shark got the shot because no one's ever going to see it aside from that. bill: but you have $5,000 on the line for anyone who finds that camera, and it's only 150 feet deep, right? >> well, yeah. like i said, it's -- this was a year ago or so, last year. so the currents and potentially another shark, whatever it is, i find it highly unlikely that it's still there. you never know. i don't really recommend people swimming around there -- [laughter] but i guess if you're that hard

up for money, who knows? bill: hey, andy, is that your real name? >> that is my real name, yeah. bill: that is epic. thank you for sharing your story. be safe out there. >> you got it, man. you too. bill: see whether or not -- martha: that moment when you just see it shipping off the end, and you can't really see his reaction was he's got his underwater gear, but -- bill: there she goes, into the depths. martha: like jonah and the whale. bill: right. andy brandy casa grande. name of the week. martha: british prime minister cameron speaking at the nato summit in wales. president obama is also set to speak. he will be at 11:30 eastern. we will have that for you live here in "america's newsroom." [ hoof beats ] i wish... please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all...is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies.

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the hunt began monday after the snake bit a dog x that dog is said to be okay. pretty tough dog. the snake is now in the l.a. zoo if you want to go see it, which i don't. bill: where it belongs. [laughter] martha: we don't like snakes. bye, everybody. "happening now" starts right now. jon: a fox news alert, a ceasefire between ukraine and russian-backed rebels set to take effect right now. the two sides signed the deal earlier this morning with hostilities to stop at 11 a.m. eastern time. the agreement comes after talks in minsk and discussions at the nato summit in wales including president obama on the ukrainian situation and vladimir putin's aggression. russian representatives also at that negotiating table in minsk. while the fighting may stop for now, a senior leader with the separatists says the ceasefire with kiev does not change their desire to break away. we'll have more on this news as it unfolds. ♪ ♪