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>> education and an enemy. that's our show tonight. >> and now, john stossel. oh oo the biggest education controversy this year is over something called common core. supporters say it's a single common standard that tells parents in every state this is what your kid ought to know. some union teachers are upset about it. >> these standards are crippling they are crippling our student's education and joy of learning. common core standards must constantly struggle and struggle to push themselves at legals that are not developmentally appropriate. >> the kids must push themselves beyond what is appropriate. no say common core these standards are appropriate and

better and we have a measure to learn kids are learning what they need to learn. >> life is full of measuring stick how well we are, how fast we are how we can compete. up until now it has been pretty hard to tell how well kids are competing in school and how well they are going to do when they get out of school. that's where the common core state standards come in. >> what does common core mean for you kids? here's a sample matt problem. >> compose and decompose numbers from 11 to 19 into 10 one's and further ones by using objects or drawings and record each -- >> that's my producer right outside of the studio asking people to solve a common core math problem. the>> 10 plus 8. understand that these numbers are composed of 10 one's and 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 -- >> seem complex? no kidding. that is a problem for kindergarten students, 5 and

6-year-olds. siems crazy to me. yet they say common core is a good thing. it will help american kids compete. joy fullman education researcher for the heartland institute says common core is more central planning. that has failed again and again. robert, you are taking from her and from more people now, heat for supporting common core. you are from a conservative group which usually supports market competition. >> what we saw was a progressive dumbing down. i saw in my school in the south bronx kids who krounting on their fingers. they are level three, level four meaning they were proficient and above proficient. i knew they were not as good as the test was saying. that bar kept going.

>> george bush said no child left behind we better lower the standards. >> there was no reason for the state to not do exactly what. if i had to prove my kid was proficient. if i had to set the bar you set the bar really low. you may not like common core. but let's remember what brought us to this point. >> now we have central planning. >> i am not sure i agree with that. i will be completely honest with you. one of the things is you had 41 states race to go the trough to get to this federal money. >> that is a legitimate criticism. honestly i wish it hadn't happened. >> that is easy for robert to hear how great this would have been had it been done in a noncoerced fashion. it was done in a coerced fashion. they asked the government to come in and force all of the states to do it. >> stom statome states are sayi were in but we want to be out. indiana, oklahoma, south carolina, louisiana. you are losing this war.

>> yes and no. here's what i know. right now in america there is a lot of professional development going on. the new thing will come into the classroom and the principal is going to tell ms. nelson who has been teaching for 20-years here's how you are going to do it now. she is going to smile say thank you mr. principal and shut her door she is a good teacher and knows what works for kids. if the principal can't get her to change practices i don't think barack obama is going to have a chance. >> it changes the package of things requires them to get into the classroom with the teaches. ms. nelson want shut her door any other can't say get out of my classroom. they go to the state and say you like your education money this would be a sahame if something happened to it. indiana tried to get rid of common core. the feds are the pierps they are calling the tunes. >> let's take a look at what the common core experience will be

like. here is a question first graders will get under the standard. >> okay, kids, class is in session. >> what is 32 minus 12, 20, right? you just obviosubtract. not under common core. >> why are they going through this backyard method. this man who went through nuclear engineering couldn't understand it. >> this is how you arrive at the answer my friend. >> that's insane. that is so many steps. >> why is it so complicated why are you sadding things when you are trying to subtract. >> third greaters are more confused. >> 26 plus 17 by breaking apart numbers to make oo 10. use a number that adds with the 6 and 26 to make a 10. 6 plus 4 equals 10 use 4. >> what? >> we gave the engineer another shot. >> you are looking lost. >> yes, why would you break that down that way. that is four steps more than you need to to get to the same

result. >> make sense? >> no. that's ridiculous. now i know we have trouble in math. i had to pay math tutors. >> a lot of people are saying my kids doesn't like math any more. >> that's not common core. when i was teaching 5th grade in the south broncs i saw equations like that in every day math textbook. every day he go on facebook or twitter people say look that's common core. this has been around for a lon s time. >> these are questions part of the curriculum in this state and others. >> that's another issue all together. >> no, it's not, john. that's not another issue all together. if you look at common core the exact text of it says to do exactly what ricky was doing. it tells kids you have to play all of these number games before you get to the standard algorithm. >> these aren't idiots pushing it. >> that's right -- well, that's maybe assuming too much. >> robert, i like your twitter

account background where you have bart simpson saying writing on the black board i will quit blaming common core for everything. >> common core has blamed everything from bad textbooks to meats in the cafeteria. >> central planning ought to be a whipping board instead of getting together why not give kids a choice. >> i am a big choice advocate. i don't see any conflict between choice and standards. all of our cars were built to a certain safety standard. no one told us what kind of car to buy whether to buy an suv or sedan. they have certain features brakes, seat belts, air bags, et cetera. that's what standards do. >> i would think the market would do it better but you have come to accept it with cars. >> and with food and building codes. >> i am going to one up your car example, one of my favorite ways to explain common core is henry ford when he was making model t's. you can have any color you like

as long as you have black. you can have any curriculum you want as long as it makes the student look good on tests. >> the government school system has no real competition. >> you know what i find strange about this conversation one of the things about common core is central planning. who hires teachers? is local school did stricts. it is not -- the federal government is not telling you who should teach your kid in your local school district. a oo they set up a committee to review the textbooks for correct fit to common core. >> you say the gates foundation i impose ago scheme on america. that comes with money of which your organization got almost a million dollars. you educrafts tend to accept it. >> back in 83 you know what was not standardized in this century

time. there was different times in columbus and cincinnati. >> the time is standard. >> you know why we have time? who gave us that? the railroads. it wasn't a government effort. the railroads suddenly were connecting. >> the tie to common core is? >> the tie to common core is, standards emerge when we need them. let's look at what's happening internationally right now. common core or no common core we are 20th in math. 17th in reading internationally. that problem existed before common core. if common core goes away tomorrow we are still going to have the horrible international comparisons. you want to make common core go away fine. what are you going to replace it with? >> why not have choice be the standard? parents will figure out which schools taught well they take their tests. >> i am a big choice advocate, john. >> sounds like it. >> it makes me nervous. you can have choice in certain

things and there's a low fresh hold. there's a low price to pay. if somebody chooses badly, you don't get a second choice on your education. >> they are getting no good choice now. they are sucking a monopoly. >> there where is the conflict n we want choice. everybody who builds a car has to build a car to a certain safety standard. if you want to run a school there's certain conditions you have to make. >> on the street we only liked one person who liked the new stand ar. >> the concept behind it is a good idea. once people get comfortable with it i don't think people are are going to remember the way it used to be. >> can you image why they might be confused and frustrated? >> absolutely. >> the teacher tried to explain another kindergarten problem using common core. >> the subtraction removing 7 minus 4 there's lee theft. if you need one that relates to it because it has all of the numbers. >> we said a subtraction sentence but you are showing me

addition. >> i don't know why they did that. >> joy? >> i think this further el straig illustrates when we are talking about standards this is calling common core conglomeration standard. the standard complies there's something good about it inherent in the term. safety standards are completely different. that's a completely different level than walking into a classroom or community and saying we know more than you if what our kids should learn. >> you are uncomfortable describing the level that will kids should be able to get to educationally but you are comfortable saying exactly what they should learn in school? >> i am comfortable saying that tore my own children i. not saying i decide everyone. >> i look at the common core standard, core knowledge make sure kids get a lot of history and science and art and music that's what builds strong leaders. that's what i have been arguing about for ten years.

suddenly that's a bad idea. >> 67 words out of 640 pages out of common core. this should be accompanied a great curriculum. they don't go on to provide that great curriculum. >> we can't. we are not allowed by law. >> good. i don't want you central planners. thank you robert and joy to join in argument. you can tweet using that hash tag "back to school" or post it on my facebook page. we want to know what you think. >> coming up, better ways in my opinion, better ways to learn. also the cost of higher education. what this girl did to pay. america's newest real estate brand is all ready the brand of the year. berkshire hathaway home services. good to know.

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>> in that box is the bill. i don't intend to read it all. >> he signed it without reading it and the crowd cheered. the law promise sounds familiar. >> in return to federal dollars. design accountability systems. >> no child left behind came eight years after president clinton fought off goals 2000 a nationwide school reform that would... >> set world class education standards. >> the crowd applauded that, too. it was a remaworking of the schl reform class called america 2000 pued by the first president push. >> national education strategy. >> to make america all that it can be. >> the president said he wanted it to be called the education president and the cameras followed him into the classroom. >> doesn't this look fabbing, too? only 7 years after the strategy

president reagan released something similar. >> national campaign to restore excellence in the united states of america. >> didn't president carter restore he excellence with his national program. >> it will open up for the first time substantial ben p fits for our country. >> carter created federal department of education which promised to fix america's education problem. >> i am determined that we are going to cut out unnecessary forms, applications, red tape, regulations>> please, for 40 years the education bureaucrats added unnecessary forums and red tape. education reform is like an itch that reformers just can't scratch. why should they? new education reform brings the money. since the reforms never work the last reform creates the need for more reform. america spends three times what

we spent when jim carter fixed the problem by creating the department of education. triple the money no improvement. well, improvement for professional education researchers. as money pours in from the government and foundations an army of these found lobbyists, psychologists, education theorists, grad schools of education, foundations and government education. so great a mass these specialists to not be kept idol they will find something to do. and so after 40 years of failed reforms they brought us another common core. >> i believe common core state standards may prove to be amongst the most important things to happen in public education in america since brown verses board of education. >> this time it will work they say. these articles ferguson points out some world of education reform is a cozy fraternity. one foundation gives a grant to

another foundation that studies the work of a third foundation. they feed off the wealth of the bill and melinda gates foundation. ferguson says common core wouldn't exist without that money. bill puts me to sleep when he talks. let's listen to melinn da gates explain common core will tell teachers like... >> these are the things my students need to learn this year. >> those are standards only an educrat could love or understand. one sides fits all may be a mocker reto people who understand the harm done by central planning but experts of foundation one size fits all is often the ideal. findings are choked with charts, crafts, algorithms. $300 million makes a lot of experts busy. all of this money down the drain allows common core advocates to say correctly that the federal department of education didn't produce the common core standards. no, our nation's educrats

produced them. this is a distinction without a difference. so now the school year begins. common core will be tested on your kids. then new tests will reveal, oops, students still are not learning. so the educrats will come up with a new national reform. this one with deet accountability high steaks consequences. a new president will fund it with your money and declare it is a national priority. after all, she will want to be called the education president, too. don't despair. the free market may over come the educrats and the government. new better ways to learn are appearing. millions of people are mastering a language by playing a game on their cell phone. a game that streams. >> languages are split into bite size skills that feel like

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a college class. >> you get it right you move on. go a few ahead if you make mistakes it slows down. it's a better way to learn. tha thanks to new technology all sorts of good things are happening. karen mahaun, how do they make money? >> it is ago interesting model they have at duolingo. once their students developed skills in the language they allow them to translate documents like menus and do a mingo self post to companies. >> tell will he presence robots. >> you may have seen this. this is a row pot that is in a classroom and it may be the face -- where the face ought to be is an ipad.

the kids can then communicate with a teacher at a distance. a remote teacher can view the kids and their works through the ipad and it is just a fascinating sort of alternative. some say a bit creepy. >> they are most excited about interactive education like this. >> this is how you sound out a word. ran. >> this obviously is for little kids. >> right. this is an early reading program called head sprout. what is interesting it is a completely adaptive program. literally response by response the curriculum can change to meet the needs of the learner. >> it has to be better than any classroom instructor. what we see with this adoptive instruction it can do a much finer level of apnal sis and on the fly adjustment.

>> that individual child. >> for every individual child to use. >> there is something called splash math? >> that's an app that i happen to have here. with the best apps we he see on the market today, we see them adjusting in real time to what the learner is producing. maybe that's advancing. if a student can go a little further or remediating if a student needs more help. >> why did this get a good review from you? >> it has lots of things we like to see. feedbacks for correct answers and incorrect answers adapting levels of difficulty, not letting the americaner move on until they have mastered the current material. >> there's another one called mind snacks. >> mind snacks is a great one, too. they have a language learning apps suite and vocabulary act for kids. this app includes a number of different the vocabulary games

and it has the adapting levels of difficulty, the error remediation. the best apps are the ones sensitive to what the user can do. >> only 10 percent got a grade of a or b. >> that's correct. we review based on what the scientific research has told us is most effective from a productional design perspective. there are not a lot of high quality instructional on the market. >> there will be. they have to compete to each other. >> you would be surprised how some people choose their apps. >> in the long-term i bet the best rise to the top. thank you karen mahon. next, we will talk about school choice. >> why is it so important? >> i have a 12-year-old graduating from the 5th grade

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>> this woman realized her grandson won't be picked. she is upset but she tries to comfort her grandson. >> i know your heart is broken. i am broken, too. >> this is why we need school of choice. their hearts shouldn't be broken says betsy the american federation for children. i agree with her. brian jones says we are both wrong about school choice. former teacher who is running for office as a green party candidate. choice makes things better. >> well, choice can make things better, but in education choice means we are setting up children where they are competing against each other and schools are competing against each other. often the problem is it's not the parents who do the choosing it's the schools that do the choosing. >> this is a lottery. if you allow more charters then

the parent could pick a kmartch. >> we see a pattern in charter schools especially celebrated charter schools of pushing out students who have special needs, students who are english language learners. >> the reality is most charter schools in this country take the kids that are doing poorly in the school they were assigned to. all of the parents want is greater choice for their children. the more choices we have, the more competition we have but also the better product or the better learning opportunity for the kids. >> brian, why not just let them go to either one of your government schools or one of the charters? is let the parent pick. >> right. except we are not letting the patience rent make all choices. there are certain choices that are not a part of the table. it is not a state of improve the school or go to the charter school. there's no choice to reduce class sizes in your school.

the only choice is to pull your child out. >> that's what makes schools better. >> there hasn't been competition. >> the reality is in florida with the greatest array of choice the schools, the districts where there are a lot of choicens and parents the public schools have got pen better but the reality is when you give parents choices they make good choices on behalf of their kids and they are happy choices and are happy with how the kids are doing. if they're not happy come in a change to another school. in every area of our society, choices work in. >> we need parents to have the power and the opportunity to transform their schools. you show a line of parents waiting to get into a school and i can show you a line of parents waiting to save their public school from being closed down. >> there has been a push by people like yourself to promote choice and push those out of the public system and into a

>> the reality is we have been stuck in a model of education for 150 years. >> a lot of the choices he proliferating has nothing to do with innovating and teaching and learning. sper sfor they are not teachingf techniques. a lot are emphasized test and test preparation than others. >> the parents can choose. >> the problem is the more we l emphasize the proliferation of a numerical options the more we train resources away from the public system.em the public system needs to be robust and well funded. >> what would be well funded? what's enough for you? >> the success academies who claim the resources doesnn't mar it's not about money. they spend more money per purm than theo average public school. they are t raising money on wal

street. what for? >> the reality is most choices, most schools that parents chooe don't have as much as the traditional public schools. they are doing better with what they have. >> they are shuffling around resources instead of the question which stairs us in the face which is why won't this n country provide all children with what they know to be resources they need. >> how muchhe money doup can't r kids for your school? >> i don't have a number at the tip of my brain. >> 3,000 per student? >> for example in this country we had enormous extreme divergences between what students will get in school a and school b. >> you don't want to name a number. are you implying we are t spending lesson schools than we used to? >> i p understand some of the ways it has increased. some we are spending is on tech

activities. >> not all choices are on the table. we don't have the choice. >> let's put them on the table. that's what bev been advocating for. >> thank you. coming up, i will think it's wrong with education. what this college student said x would pay for her relick dousely strong college. it is extremely liberating and empowering. don't just dream of being the hero. make it happen. i can't believe we're missing the game for this. we're not-- i've got xlte. it doubles our 4g lte bandwidth in cities nationwide, so be that guy with verizon xlte. now get 1gb of bonus data,

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john: the cost of college is now >> the cost of college is now a concern. sometimes 50, 60,000 a year. >> inflation was 160 percent. we are upset healthcare costs grew more. 400 percent. but college tuition rose 750 percent. >> why would that be? because of government happenedouts. as government increases financial aid they increased tuition. >> we can't just keep on subsidizing sky rocketing tuition. >> government subsidizes tuition

by throwing money at the schools. >> in the same speech he also says this. >> my administration is increasing federal student aid so more students can afford college. (applause) >> hello? doesn't he see the disconnect. i think he does but he still pan ders for votes by giving your money away. >> he also told young people student loans don't you worry about it we will take care of it. >> let's tell another 1 million students when they graduate they will be required to pay only 10 percent of their income on student loans all of their debt will be forgive en. >> sure, free money. forgiven. that is not the politician's own money. some students gotten wise to the scam. she did. she is a sophomore at duke.

>> we shouldn't for give all college loans? >> if we for give student debt the same thing that happened with the mortgage crisis is going to happen and -- >> creates a moral hazard invites people to behave badly. i am glad you get this concept. the audience should know, she may be more knowledgeable by college costs than most students because she became a controversial news story after it was revealed she worked as a porn star to pay for duke. >> 60,000 dollars a year. is so she is here to tell us why she choose this route to make the money. >> why did you? >> i was 18 years old i didn't want to be saddled with 30,000 plus in loans. i didn't see how it would help me in the future. i only saw it holding me back. i wanted to pai pay my tuition

out of pocket and with employment being the way it is how hard it is to find a job owe speegsly wi -- especially with e with skill sets i turned to adult films it has given me a wonderful life economically. >> economically. a lot of people are repulsed with the idea. one of the hosts of the view says my heartbreaks when i review this. a national news writer took a short cut to bling. >> for me taking out loans to them would have been more moral and more just. people don't view adult film or sex work as an honest days wage. they think i am taking the easy way out. in reality i am working hard for my money and i am paying for college. i am not relying on any government loans or any government aid and thanks something i can be really proud of. >> i think so, too. the nobody coerced you and you

are not coercing anybody. why does duke cost 60,000. do you believe these colleges spend more because of the free money they get from the government? >> absolutely. we have exorbitant amount of demand for college that's only grown expediential ly in the past few years because people like president obama keep drilling in in our heads is the only way to achieve the american dream is doing to a four-year institution. we have a huge demand for colleges. colleges can respond in two-ways by opening up more enrollment seats or by increasing tuition. there's no push for tuition to go lower because the government keeps throwing money at it. that's such a demand. essential loy colleges like duke or sara lawrence have no incentive to lower tuition. the money keeps coming in and people are always going to keep enrolling. >> they spend it on things like

saunas in the men's and women's locker room. they pay a rapper 70,000 to perform there pay the college president more than a million dollars a year. little market discipline would do colleges good. >> absolutely. if we are forgiving all of the student loan debt eventually the system is going to collapse. colleges are going to lose all of the money they have dependled on for the will things that are unsustainable. >> how do fellow students respond to your porn work? is it uncomfortable on campus? >> it has been mixed. i have had a lot of students really bully me and harass me but i have had a lot of students who have come to my aid. i had some wonderful people who wrote letters to duke, people who wrote letters to the newspapers.

i real learned who my friends are. >> how do people harass you? >> i have been threatened to death, people threatened to throw trash at me and people threat toned to run me over with their cars? >> because it violates their moral code? >> it's the whole idea of getting paid for sex that bothers a lot of people. it particularly bothered people because i was using a feminist from him work to justify my decision to do porn which is something a lot of people don't associate with feminism. >> i am glad you are not borrowing money from the taxpayers. thank you bell kne knox. i assume that's not your real name? >> no. my rale name is miriam. >> i got the secret.

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to serve them well. but how politicians and others who love government control don't get that. we heard from a couple of them tonight. why don't they get it? i guess that's not fair. i didn't get it until i did 15 years of consumer reports. now it is obvious to me the only thing that serves consumer wealth is xa tiggs. >> -- competition. you get better you try harder and you innovate constantly. we showed the innovation beginning tonight things like the interactive games that make things fun. >> i found new ways to make school interesting. >> you guys look forward to going to school in the morning? >> yes. >> it is work. >> those kids enjoy school and they out perform their peers by

a lot. that also means it's a crime only 4 percent of american's kids have that opportunity. most don't have it because tol pigs and self interest groups won't let them have a choice. >> even as desperate parents lined up hoping to win a charter school lottery that would let their kids escape horrible government controlled schools union protestors stood outside chanting, couldn't be fooled, aport charter schools. >> they don't want competition. they told me things like competition is not for education. the opposite is true. it gives us better cars pewsic it would work for education, too, if they just let it. >> the union teachers don't realize if there were competition they would have more freedom. they would make more money.

good teachers would make much more. they don't realize how much government spends on education now. what do you think it is per student per year? is $5,000? 8,000 per student? is 8,000 per student would maea the government spends 200 thousand per classroom. that would be a lot. government spends $12,000. that's more than 300 thousand per class. good teachers could make 200,000 and have money leftover to hire an assistant. let's take that $12,000 and attach it to the student. let the parents have a choice. free them to send 12,000 to any school. l then more kids will have an experience like these kids have. >> school is fun? >> yes. >> how is it fun to learn? >> they teach us in a fun way. >> all kids deserve that.

we know what works. competition. let america's children enjoy it's benefit. that's our show. see you at this time next week. . this is "the kelly file." you know, you hear over the radio we're taking fire, we're under fire. and you hear the pleading in their voices that they need help bad. i actually dropped to a knee and then i got up and like why the hell did i do that. and that's when the rocket hit. he had a machine gun and he started laying down hay. >> i rolled him over. there was no response. i ripped off his body armor,