factor." again, thanks for watching tonight. ms. megyn, the big interview ward churchill coming up. i'm bill o'reilly. please always remember the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, exclusive new details into investigation of terrorists including american citizens. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. we told you on friday about this man accused by leaders of a local mosque of spreading radical islamic beliefs to some local youths. he was asked to leave the mosque but faces no charges yet that we can identify. however, reports are now emerging that the muslim youth center from which he was removed is now at the heart of a federal grand jury investigation. up to 30 somali-americans all of whom frequented the al faruok

youth and family center are reportedly believed to have joined or tried to join terrorist groups overseas. over the weekend "the kelly file" went to minnesota and tried to speak with anyone at the al farouk mosque about the terror recruiting. >> i'm with "the kelly file," with megyn kelly. we'd like to speak to someone here about recent reports and a man named amir. >> come back on monday. >> no, we'd like to speak to someone now. they spoke to star tribune last night and they're speaking to other media. i think they can speak to us. >> come back at 10:00. >> 10:00 today? >> yeah. >> is there no one available here that can speak to us now? sir? >> they were not in a talking mood. but the fbi was. we just got off the phone with the feds. we have exclusive new information on the people attending this mosque who are now believed to have signed on

to the terror army known as isis. trace gallagher reports live in a special "the kelly file" investigation tonight. trace. >> and, megyn, the fbi says the social media campaign by isis is having some effect on young people, but that someone on the ground is convincing them to join the fight in syria and then giving them the money to get there. earlier this summer somali-american father dropped his 19-year-old son off at school in the morning. a few hours later the fbi found him at the minneapolis airport about to board a flight for syria. another young minneapolis man is already believed to be fighting in syria. and this summer a 19-year-old somali-american woman went missing for a few days then called her family to say she was taking care of wounded fighters in syria. a common link between young people being recruited is that many attended the al farouk youth center and had contact with 31-year-old amir, an alleged former member of al qaeda accused of spreading

radical islamic ideology. in june after the director got a tip from a young member about his teachings, he then got a no trespass order against him. and within days amir sold his home and left the area. his whereabouts are still unknown. the fbi who held him in kenya for nearly four months won't comment about his involvement, but he's now issued a statement through the aclu saying, quoting here, i am saddened by the mosque director's accusations which are baseless. i have been trying to live my life normally like any other citizen, but it is very difficult when people may see me as suspicious because of the government's past allegations and its refusal to make amends for treating me so badly. as you saw earlier those involved in the mosque are not happy about speaking with "the kelly file." but those who live near the mosque are quite concerned. listen. >> i feel threatened by it. to be honest with you.

make sure i lock my doors and windows. otherwise we're pretty casual lifestyle in the twin cities. but something like that goes around and makes you think. >> the somali-american community in the twin cities has long had a strained r authorities there. but now some in that community are urging families to speak publicly to stop more of their children from being recruited. megyn. >> trace, thank you. one man in this bloomington, minnesota, community has been warning about this kind of terror recruitment for years. he knew one of the men recruited by isis who just died in iraq fighting for the terror group. omar jamal is a minnesota activist and director of the american friends of somalia. omar, thank you very much for coming to new york and being with us live tonight. a federal grand jury is now looking into who is recruiting these young people. and they seem to be centering on this al farooq mosque.

how concerned should we be about this place? >> i think it's a very serious issue and everybody should be concerned about it. not to mention that this has been going on for the last ten to 15 years. the feds haven't been able to bring this to an end by going after who's doing this, who's the person who's recruiting this. >> who's in the mosque recruiting young americans to dpo fight. >> and the thing is whoever's doing this remains to be the same only the gates are changing. ten years ago there are brand new kids, now there are new groups. five years from now the guy at the top stays the same. so who is this guy who's doing this? >> the mosque on friday purported to be a hero in all of this saying this guy, we found him suspicious, we heard talk of radical islamic jihadist ideology and we called the authorities and got a no trespass order against him. >> correct. >> so are we to believe that they are on the side of the angels or not? >> i will hold my opinion, i

think. i will wait until the first facts of this investigation come into light. because i don't think that he was there. he was playing basketball. we don't know who he is. the question we have right now was he trespass before or after parents spoke out about the situation? when did the trespassing take place? >> in other words on to the mosque property. >> of the mosque property. >> that's the allegation our viewers should know the mosque only turned him in and got the no trespass order because they believed the feds were zeroing in on him, there was a grand jury investigation underway and they wanted to look clean ech though some believe they were not. >> exactly. and this is where we'll see this investigation, i don't want the community to come out and do something to jeopardize this proce process. >> how many potential recruits do you think we're looking at here? how many americans would possibly consider going to fight for isis? >> we talk about since 2007

until now close if more than 40 male and female have gone back -- >> al shabaab which is an al qaeda affiliate. >> or isis. >> what is it about this area that keeps producing these isis sympathizers? >> sheer concentration of the youth over there. and this is the ideology of war, isis and al shabaab somehow managed to bring up an image that they are the ones righting wrongs, that it will gain respect and it is working for them. somehow their propaganda machine is very effective here. we don't have a counter strategy to fight against their propaganda machine. >> and i know you believe that the group cair is part of the problem. >> yes, cair by their tactics and political correct language are also confusing the young kids. they call me simply because i

disagree with them. >> they do that to everybody. don't worry, omar, you're not alone in that. thank you very much for being with us tonight. joining us now seth jones e commander for special operations forces including afghanistan and iraq. he works at the defense policy center at the rand corporation. seth, good to seau tonight. so it appears we have the mosque in the heart of minnesota that is now being investigated by a federal grand jury. and the question tonight is what if anything could be done to stop recruitment efforts at such a place if indeed they are underway? >> well, megyn, the interesting thing about mosques in the united states including this particular one is they are not now the only place where individuals are radicalizing. in fact, what we're seeing in a number of places including minneapolis is that people are actually recruiting outside of the mosques. the mosques in some cases are too -- are not radical enough. i mean, we've seen that a little

bit with the case where he was asked to stay off the grounds. >> but again there's a question about whether the mosque did that because it genuinely wanted to stop this alleged talk of radical jihad or because it knew it was under investigation. >> that's true. vast majority of jihadists in the united states, those that have radicalized, have had serious concerns about mosques in general. we saw this even with the boston bombings in 2013. they left the mosque area and were radicalizing outside of the mosque for two reasons. one is most mosques are considered too liberal. and second of all, there's a recognition that mosques in general are likely penetrated by law enforcement agencies. >> let me ask you about this it was extraordinary to receive a statement from him through the

aclu. so he was in somalia, kenya, claims he was interrogated by the u.s. government repeatedly up to 30 times suspected of participating in jihad or at least sympathetic to the cause. and then the aclu sued on his behalf once he got back to the united states saying you had no business doing that to him. he was an american citizen. you never brought charges. and so he -- we reached out to him tonight. and he basically expresses his sadness saying these are just accusations. they're baseless. i've been trying to live my life like any other citizen, but that is very difficult when people may see me as suspicious because of the government's past allegations and its refusal to make amends for mistreating me so badly. is this man at the heart of the recruiting drive, is this perhaps a double agent as some have alleged? what are we to believe? >> well first, it's worth pointing out that a federal court dismissed the aclu case earlier this year. and that's worth putting on the table. second, i think it's also worth

noting that in minneapolis within the somali community there has been an effort under way over the last few years to get away from individuals being the primary source of young jihadists to fight for either somalia or more recently to go fight with isis. and there's been a shift towards the radicalization online. and my understanding in talking to multiple sources in minneapolis today is the online jihadist forums that -- youtube, facebook, twitter, have become critical sources. so there does appear to be a movement away in minneapolis of individuals like amir towards the online radicalization. >> right. so dangerous. seth, thank you. >> thank you. >> in in a moments judge napolitano will have a much more on exactly what the aclu is doing in this matter. and later, our exclusive interview with the man who

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learned of a federal grand jury investigation now into a mosque in the suburbs of minneapolis. and accusations that members there are being recruited, actively recruited, for the terror group isis. at the center of all of this is amir meshal, he's been on the fbi's radar for years in a case that would wind up involving the aclu. joining me now fox news's senior judicial analyst. talk about the grand jury, the fbi confirming that the number of overseas travelers, potential travelers and those that facilitated traveled to join the jihad is "significant" and what is the federal grand jury likely doing? >> well, the federal grand jury is receiving evidence via a federal prosecutor and assistant u.s. attorney who in turn is getting evidence from the fbi. i'm suggesting this is what's happening. in fact, these grand juries meet in secret. and this would be small pieces of a big puzzle about who is

recruiting whom. >> how does the fbi get its information? are they allowed to infiltrate a mosque? >> well, the fbi has to have an open case. and in order to have an open case it needs what the courts call arctic kubl suspicion. they can suggest in words as to why a particular human being may be involved with particular criminal activity. it can't be an anonymous tip. it can be something they can state and is rational. >> reportedly not long ago there was an 18-year-old trying to get on a plane bound for syria from this mosque. the fbi stopped him and refused to let him leave, encouraged him to go back home to his family in other words. he reportedly pointed the finger at amir meshal who now he, the 18-year-old through his lawyer, is suggesting may be a double agent, perhaps suggesting meshal tipped off the fbi to this travel. >> well, you know, the fbi uses double agents.

the fbi sometimes in return for not prosecuting someone who has committed crimes that the fbi can prove will use that person as a source of information. but the fbi suggests to you as much as it wants to stop youth from going over there and killing people and perhaps coming back here and killing people, it wants to find the root, the source, the cause, the organizer. >> they want to know who the recruiters are. the recruiters are their target. >> precisely. because the fbi has a lot of tools to stop these kids. they can engage in a sting, whether you think a sting is moral or not where they pretend to be bad guys -- >> let me argue. if they get the guy for recruiting, they get a name, a couple of names at this mosque, which didn't want to speak on camera and we asked them repeatedly it wasn't just in that moment we asked them repeatedly to come on, they refused. what could the person be charged with? how could they be stopped? and how does that case get proven? >> okay. the crime is providing material assistance to a terrorist

organization. and that could be anything short of mere words. so if you're a cheerleader as reprehensible as this sounds, if you're a cheerleader, i hate america and i want isis to win, you can say that. but if you act upon it, if you combine behavior that further -- >> buying a plane ticket for example. >> correct. >> most 18-year-olds can't afford a plane ticket to syria on their own. >> a plane ticket, a map, encouragement beyond mere expression of political activity. then you are wittingly or unwittingly involved in this conspiracy. this is 20 years in a federal prison for providing material assistance to a terror organization. >> the aclu is trying to protect the rights of these individuals, most of whom are american and because we're on u.s. soil and they are american citizens, they have the same rights you or i have. quick final word. >> sometimes the aclu actually keeps the fbi honest. i'm glad the aclu is there. as long as politics is not involved. as long as the constitution is involved, that's the way the

system should work. >> judge, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> when asked months ago about this terror group isis, president obama described them as junior varsity. now the president is denying. plus, this man spent decades teaching at a major american university until america heard ward churchill suggesting the victims on 9/11 got what they deserved. but ward churchill has rarely been challenged over his beliefs until tonight. you thought the dead americans were like the nazis, however you had nothing but praise for the 9/11 hijackers. you called them courageous and even gal yent. gal yent? al qaeda? it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions,

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are the american people entitled to honesty from our president? recall that during the debate leading up to obamacare the president repeatedly misled people that if they liked their plans, they could keep them. president obama denied it at first but ultimately was forced to admit he "should have been more clear." here he goes again. in january as the terror group isis took control of fallujah, the president dismissed the growing threat as simply jayvee. that was just eight months ago. by august our own defense secretary described isis this way. >> isil is a sophisticated and well-funded as any group that we have seen. they're beyond just a terrorist group. we must prepare for everything. >> under fire for either misstating the threat or failing to appreciate it earlier, the white house spokesman denied the

facts claiming president obama was not talking about isis when he used that term jayvee. a dodge "the washington post" gave four pinocchios. and now president obama doubled down on the falsehood. >> i wasn't specifically referring to isil. i said regionally there are a whole series of organizations that were focused primarily locally, weren't focused on the homeland. >> once again president obama accused of misleading. came in response to a question from a reporter about the group that just took over fallujah. that was isis and the president knew it. politifact reprints the entire exchange concluding that "it's clear the president was talking about isis." they rated his denial yesterday false. the reasons for the president's statements are anybody's guess, however the growth of isis arguably undercuts an important

claim from this president who ran for re-election saying al qaeda was on the run. but isis is an al qaeda offshoot. its earlier name was al qaeda in iraq. moreover its progress was made possible in part by the american troops total withdraw, something the president's own generals had warned him not to do. honesty on the rise of a terror group should be expected from any commander in chief. however, the bigger question tonight has the president been deceiving the american people or worse has he been deceiving himself? coming up, ward churchill is the college professor who lost his job after suggesting the victims of 9/11 got what they deserved. but his thinking is still alive and well on campuses across this country. up next, after years of interview requests ward churchill at last comes on fox news for a no-holds-barred interview with yours truly. >> you understand that al qaeda

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well, from princeton university professor richard fox who blames america for the 9/11 attacks and the boston marathon bombing, to domestic terrorist bernadine dohrn who bombed america repeatedly and wound up teaching at northwestern university law school. throughout our nation college professors, some of them self-described anarchists, are teaching our students to hate america. few of those professors are publicly challenged on those lessons until tonight as we bring you part one of my exclusive interview with former university of colorado professor

ward churchill. >> he made national headlines for suggesting the 9/11 victims deserved to die. a respected university professor calling nearly 3,000 murdered americans "little iekmans" comparing them to an infamous nazi. >> they made the system work which profit is maximized at the expense of starving and dying children and other people in the third world it's a matter of business as usual. that's ikeman like in my mind. >> that's how america first came to know the university of colorado's ward churchill. born in 1947 churchill came of age in the '60s. he was drafted by the army in 1966 spending close to a year in vietnam. >> what happened over there? >> carnage is what happened over there. was it genocide? well, we can debate that one.

but it was certainly a genocidal process. >> he returned from the war a radical and an enemy sympathizer. >> i woke up one morning in 1968 shortly after arriving and realized i was on the wrong side. >> reporter: back stateside x students for democratic society, or sds, antiwar organization boasting members like bill ayers. ayers, another radical '60s -- would bombing pentagon and more than a dozen other buildings all in protest of the war and other left causes. churchill admits he taught ayers group then known as the weathermen, how to make bombs and fire weapons. >> i had trained weathermen, you know, pretty basic kind of training. i did workshops with pacifists on the -- you can't be pacifist

if you're not capable of inflicting violence. >> reporter: in 1978 churchill began lecturing on american-indian studies at the university of colorado. by the '90s he had received tenure. and then came september 11, 2001. hours after the attacks with smoke still smoldering amidst the carnage, churchill penned an essay on the justice of roosting chickens. full of rage about what he called past american war crimes, churchill compared the victims to nazi war criminal adolf ikeman, a man who sent millions of jews to the gas chamber suggesting the dead americans had helped grease the wheel of an immoral u.s. policy "as to those in the world trade center, well, really, let's get a grip here, shall we? true enough they were civilians of a sort, but innocent? give me a break. they formed a tech no karatic

core at the very heart of america's global financial empire." he repeated it later in an hbo documentary. >> if there is a better or more efficient way to impose consequences on the little ikemans posing a core of -- >> his incendiary writings went unnoticed for years until new york's respected hamilton college invited him to speak in 2005. the essay resurfaced and outrage followed. >> i mean, this guy -- this is just cruel. to say these people deserved it. they were little nazis, which is what churchill says that these people in the world trade center at the pentagon were little nazis. and one of their sons is at hamilton. how brutal is this? >> reporter: hamilton college rescinded the invitation. besieged by angry alumni and

faculty started looking into churchill's comments. the university concluded this was protected speech. but not long after it accused churchill of unrelated academic misconduct. he claimed the charges were a ruse to fire him. in july 2007 the university cut him loose. churchill's attorney filed suit portraying the professor as a victim of a witch hunt. >> it was an absolute mob mentality. bill o'reilly was all over ward churchill. rush limbaugh all over him. >> two years later the jury ruled for churchill, awarding him though just one dollar in damages. the judge overturned the verdict in churchill's favor. churchill appealed and lost every challenge. in the five years since he's been mostly writing, never retracting his inflammatory statements. now living in atlanta, churchill still believes america is a force for evil. >> so who's the new evil empire?

>> well, you're sitting in it. >> ward churchill is the former university of colorado professor. thank you for being here. so the day of the 9/11 attacks you wrote an essay and referred to the 9/11 victims as little ikemans writing "if there was a better more effective or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little ikemans -- i'd really be interested in hearing about it." how could you draw a moral equivalence between 3,000 dead americans and a murderous nazi like adolf ikeman? >> well, first off, i did not make a reference to 3,000 americans in that connection. i made a reference to what i described as a technocratic core empire. >> the folks in the twin towers? >> twin towers. also a body count at the

pentagon that day. so we have two separate groups here. but within that there are various subgroups. and i'm not quite sure that you could describe a food service worker or a janitorial staff or passers-by as being part of a technocratic core, so i was referring to a particular subgroup or particular subgroups. >> so you exclude the firefighters, the police, the janitors, the folks who were not working in the financial services industry? >> yeah. some definition you can apply to them that would make them technocrats, i'd have to revise, but i can't think of one. >> let's talk about the folks who you were suggesting in some way deserved the attack. how? how on earth could you say that? >> essentially in the same way that the united states government in the military have designate these as legitimate targets. we're talking about command and control infrastructure. we're talking about the ability

of an opposing power, a hostile power. >> our military doesn't target civilian facilities. they may target dual facilities that serve both the military and other purpose, but they do not intentionally target civilians as the terrorists did to us on 9/11. >> quite the contrary. you have actual projections that are made prior to strikes as to what quantity of collateral damage will be. so it's done with full knowledge that there's going to be civilian casualties. >> but we try to avoid them. >> what does that mean? what exactly does t to avoid them mean when you're attacking a target in full knowledge that you're going to inflict a so-called collateral damage and you think that is an acceptable price to pay? >> i want to get specifically to what you said -- >> this is -- >> wait, one second and i'll give you the floor. what specifically you said about the financial workers in the world trade center because when i read your words on the day of the attack, i mean, while the bodies were still smoldering, it sounded like you had a disdain

for these americans. this is what you wrote, to the extent any of them were aware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in, it was because of their absolute refusal to see more likely it was because they were too busy brayingin ses nd self-importantly into cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions mind and smelling distance into the starved and rotting flesh of infants. you sound like not only do you blame them but that you dislike them. >> what i'm saying is for a fact in essence the message is this is what it feels like to be treated this way. >> what was -- why do you draw a distinction between them and the firefighters? them and the police? them and the janitor sns. >> because they are proactively involved and knowingly involved, lending their proficiencies to fro sesz, which is served by the

u.s. military, which is served by this projection -- >> the process of making money. >> exactly. >> that's what you did when you worked at the university of colorado pulling in six figures a year. you made money. and the american military is funded by taxes from individuals and businesses. >> you make money one way or another way. there are ways to make money which are criminally sanctioned. >> but professor churchill, you're too smart to believe that. the american military is funded by taxes. my taxes, your taxes, taxes paid by the folks who worked in the world trade center. money is fungible. and we all funded those actions. you too. >> did i say i was innocent? yeah, my taxes go into that. i resist it, i oppose it, i do everything i can to bring it to a halt which is not sufficient because i have not been succe successfsucces

successful. >> let's talk about the little ikeman comment. adolf eichmann. >> bureaucrat would work. >> the trials found him in charge of the extermination program of the jews. he was the one in charge of the final solution, which was eliminate all the jews. they don't think he was a technocrat of any sort. so for you to compare these dead americans to one of the worst, most bloodthirsty nazis of world war ii incensed a lot of people. >> well, i don't know if you've read the proceedings, i have, and that's not what they said. >> i know what i read. >> essentially of the logistical apparatus and the programs, the formulation of the programs and implementation of the programs for the roundup and so forth. heinrich was in charge. >> he was a paper pusher as far as you're concerned. >> essentially that's correct. >> what i did read was his own words because he, the viewers

should know, actually escaped after the war and took refuge in argentina under a different name before he was ultimately captured by the israeli forces and put to death, the only man in history to be put to death by israeli. he said "i called my men into my berlin office and formally took leave of them. if it has to be, i told them, i will gladly jump into my grave in the knowledge that 5 million enemies of the reich have already died like animals." he went onto say to sum it all up, i must say that i regret nothing, i recognized hitler -- if we'd killed all the 10 million jews, i would say, good, we have destroyed an enemy. doesn't sound like a paper pusher. >> you kind of left a critical piece out of your account of what happened with eichmann -- >> bring home the point --

>> excuse me. i'm responding. >> go ahead. >> there was a trial in between the point that he was taken from argentina and israel, he was hanged. and in that trial they never found adolf eichmann guilty or even attempted tortwnujut(uáe eichmann for killing a single jew. he said we based on the fact that he made it possible for that to happen. >> of course he did. >> yes, that's my point on the little eichmanns. >> it's very clear he did. he was the one recommended using for the gassing of the jews and took steps to supply all of it to the camps. you can't say he doesn't have blood on his hands just because he wasn't the one who turned on the gas when he made sure it got there. that's the man you're comparing the dead americans to. >> thank you. you just made my point perfectly. you do not have to be the one who turned on the gas if you're making it possible for the gas to be there and someone to turn the knob. >> okay, fine. >> if you're part of that

process lending your proficiencies to making it more sufficient, you are culpable in the process. >> you see a moral equivalence to the man who did that and said i'm happy, gladly jump into my grave knowing that all these jews have died like animals. that's the same thing, the same mentality, as the victims of al qaeda in those trades the twin towers had. is that your point? >> inso far as mass -- and miserable death of third world brown skinned children for profit, profit max mization, it's not mysterious. >> okay. >> when you do that, you're part of that process which is a process of just routinely and continuously inflicting carnage on others. identifiable others. essentially you're the moral equivalent of eichmann. >> however, you had nothing but praise for the 9/11 hijackers. you call them courageous, even

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thinking that festers in certain college campuses to this day. in this part of our interview he discusses the terrorists who murdered nearly 3,000 americans. and wait until you hear the difference in tone. watch. >> you thought that the dead americans were just like the nazis, however you had nothing but praise for the 9/11 hijackers. you call them courageous, even gallant. >> uh-huh. >> gallant? >> uh-huh. >> al qaeda? the guys who flew the jets into the twin trade centers? >> yeah. now, if you ask me do i actually believe that or do i believe that i'm still making the point? this is what it feels like when people who are sitting at computer consoles 1,500 miles  firing cruise missiles into your cities are called heroes. >> you're talking about -- you're talking about our military now. you have nothing but disdain -- >> how do you feel when it is done to you? and it is defined, extrapolated, crowed about in exactly the same

kind of terms that the united states does continuously with regard to the infliction of comparable damage on other people elsewhere. >> you understand that al qaeda routinely kills civilians? this group isis routinely kills civilians? >> you claim i'm a supporter of al qaeda? >> you sound like you like them. >> i sound like the pentagon briefer -- >> they're gallant. >> yeah. >> and then you went onto say, "honest interrogators might ask why did it take them so long to arrive and why do they conduct themselves with such obvious and add mir restraint? our viewers are going to hear that and think you're a lunatic. >> exactlyç%w)q most of the rest of the world hears the stuff that's coming out from the united states official sources. and thinks we're lunatics, homicidal lunatics. >> you feel for the plight of these civilians who the american military has killed? many would argue inadvertently always intentionally.

but you yourself poured salt in the wounds of the victims of 9/11 and their families. so how can you claim the moral high ground when it comes to causing pain, causing destruction when you at the most vulnerable moment did the very same thing to them? >> which is exactly the point again. this is done day in, day out -- >> you're pointing to somebody else. i'm talking about you, professor. take responsibility for your own actions. >> my responsibility is to do exactly what i did, which is show you what it feels like. if you're too dense to get it, okay. but i would assume that there are people out there2"6é who ar not. >> let me ask you this -- >> including some victims family members, i might add. >> what about them? >> i got communications from them and i also have them on file saying, yeah, i get it now. >> i'm sure they think you're a peach. did you have to be so glib about it? did you have to be so callous? >> they don't think i'm a peach -- maybe they do. i wouldn't know. what they did was understand the

point. >> did you have to be so glib about it? >> i don't know. you might ask norman schwarzkopf. that is exactly the answer. >> will you apologize to anyone? >> no. >> tomorrow he answers the ultimate question about the current threats to america. don't miss it. and up next, a big new nfl controversy. follow me on twitter @meg twitter @megynkelly.

they fired ray rice today from his team and suspended him from the nfl. tonight, the controversy over the football star continues to rage on. trace gallagher with more. trace. >> megyn, prior to the release of that video showing ray rice knocking out his then-fiancee, the ravens had defended him. the vice president for the team saying, i like ray rice.

i respect him. he's a good guy. head coach john harbaugh called him a heck of a guy who made a mistake. and during the first preseason game the fans gave him a standing ovation. but what happened inside that elevator added brand new perspective. listen. >> it's something we saw for the first time today, you know, all of us. and it changed things of course. you know, it made things a little bit different. >> even without that video, the new police report was very clear that ray rice did strike his fiancee in the face with his fist. but apparently seeing is believing because no sooner had the ravens released him the nfl suspended him indefinitely. an aboutface from the two-game suspension initially dealt by commissioner roger goodell. up next, sneak peek at part two with ward churchill. but if you have arthritis, this can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain,

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true. 9:00 p.m. eastern set your dvr. in the meantime go to facebook.com/t facebook.com/thekellyfile. thanks for watching everyone. this is "the kelly file." welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. bomb shell reports tonight out of the nfl, one of the league's biggest names, ray rice, has been released from the baltimore ravens and indefinitely suspended by the nfl after new video surfaced of him punching his then-fiancee in an elevator before dragging her out. we're going to have more later with espn's steven a. smith. officials are now saying the administration is preparing a three-phase campaign to destroy the isis terror network which could outlast the remainder of president obama's term in office. the president is expected to address the nation on wednesday and inform the american people of his strategy. fox's own ed henry is standing by at the white house tonight. he has the details. ed, first