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as you know well "the five" is next. huge news breaking in the nfl. the baltimore ravens have terminated ray rice after new video came out of him hitting his wife in the elevator. this all comes on the heels of the first nfl monday night game. president obama was the inaugural press, talking to chuck todd. obama says he is ready to go on the offensive and that does not include boots on the ground.
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>> the next faze is going on offense. we have to get an iraqi government in place. i'm optimistic next week we should be able to get that done. ly meet with congressional leaders on tuesday and wednesday. i'll make a speech and describe what our game plans will be going forward. but this is not going to be an announcement about u.s. ground troops. this is not the equivalent of the iraq war. >> more than 1100 troops are already on the ground in iraq. even with this show of force, president obama is content saying isis is not a threat to the u.s. >> we have not seen any immediate intelligence about threats to the homeland from
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isis. >> the threat from isis is exactly what they said it was, it is them directing an american citizen, canadian, or someone to come here and conduct an attack. >> they were going to make a manageable problem. they're blood thirsty animals, he is lost, circling the forrest. what should we expect from wednesday? anything new? >> i think, first of all, he has reassessed his evaluation, as i have, of the threat of isis. that is allowed to be done by a president. secondly i think we're seeing very big news this weekend with the arab league joining into this effort. i think he will announce on wednesday a full scale bombing of the syrian targets for isis.
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and i suspect that the bombing in iraq will continue and what he was talking about next week is that m.alaki will be gone, ad there will be a new president, and isis, i believe, will be nonthreatening in a matter of weeks. >> they said they're clearly not, let's assess this. here is the dilemma. if he goes into syria, he will look like he is pro war. pro iraq war, everything he campaigned against in 2008. >> should that matter? >> you tell me? >> should it matter, honestly? don't we elect expects to be forward thinking and to make the
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best decisions. he should not worry about the polling or whether it will go back on a promise he made. that should not matter when a job needs to be done. unless he is willing to commit the military muscle to get it done, he will not eradicate and destroy them. that will be his legacy instead. >> he literally looked into the camera, into chuck todd's eyes and said no boots on the ground. 1100 boots are on the ground. >> i think he will try to draw a strong distinction, he needs to, to be honest with the american people about what does it mean when you 1100 troops. he will draw the distinction that that is an invasion -- >> i could write that speech today. but there are several things he said he will not do. in fact, the white house over the weekend when they previewed
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the speech, told jonathan carl and others that there will -- don't expect anything in there about syrian air strikes. i agree with joe lieberman who wrote that president obama does not need congressional approval to strike in syria. i have held that position for the last two years when the red line was first crossed on chemical weapons. so i think that that is something -- i don't know if he will discuss that on wednesday, but he might walk all of the way up to it. my last point, the white house is leaking they're planning a three-year plan. that this effort against isis will be a three-year plan. setting a date certain is one of the reasons we're in this problem to begin with because they knew when we were leaving. they would wait for us. i think it's more important for the white house to talk about
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what is on the table. maybe what they have been doing. i predict they will declassify a couple news nuggets, talk about things the president has authorized in the last year or so that we did not know beforehand. otherwise is sounds extremely defensive when they say don't expect this or that and the president is going to defend himself in the speech. that's what their soul purpose of the speech was. >> josh kept using the tuerm bu in. that sounds to me like with our without we know what we're going to do. >> he's going to say i want $550 million for the operation. he said everybody else should pay for the war. we owed nothing after the
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persian gulf war. he says he's using boots, doctors, lawyers, dentists. they were going to be a force in arms. now we're counting on them and the arab league, i hope they're in but they screwed us with libya. so somehow we have to get leverage on saudi arabia and others to write the checks and send the bodies in there. >> the threat here is much more significant as far as kuwait was. -- as far as libya was. you're going into a civil war into a civil war. you're trying to break up the isis part of the free syrian army, and then let them move forward. that's very complicated. >> why is that complicated?
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let me ask my question. we know the territory that isis holds within syria and iraq. you can see isis headquarters from turkey. you're flying over sovereign air space. and for some reason, assad was a bad guy. obama drew the red line, they found chemical weapons allegedly -- so they weren't going to go. are we worried about defending a asa assad. >> i'm saying we have to take it out first and then start the air attack. >> they have very sophisticated ground to air missiles. the russians gave it to them. obama needs money from congress,
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but the war powers act is very clear. the president of the united states can make -- >> absolutely -- >> but what makes it more politically difficult for the president and from a communication standpoint is the fact that he did not utilize that authority when assad crossed the red line and he said i'm going to ask congress. that was his excuse for not acting. now he could do it, and i would still purport if he does it on his own, i would support it. >> in addition to lacking a strategy, the president also seems to be suffering from a little amnesia about his proclamations regarding the group. >> long way, long way from when you described them as a jv team -- >> no, keep in mind, i was not referring to isil.
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i said regionally there was a series of organizations that were focused locally, not on homeland. because i think a lot of us when we think of terrorism, the model is osama bin laden and terrorism. they can evolve i was special at that time. >> my head is going to explode. really, you weren't talking about isis? >> don't take it from , fact checker at the "washington post" looked into this. yes, he did, he clearly did. politifacts said the same thing. it's in black and white. that's exactly what he was referring to. maybe he didn't mean to, i think the white house instead of digging their hole deeper should have just said bad choice of
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words, moving on. instead they make it worse. >> if ever there was a time when you say i made a mistake, and i under estimated this, but we have to reevaluate and this is certainly not a jv team and we have to get on board and take them on. >> here is the question, even in the period when you have been on vacation, president obama in the last couple weeks in iraq, syria, al-qaeda is resurging. yes, but the analogy we are using here is that the jv team puts on a uniform -- >> don't forget that katherine harris report ten days ago when she broke the story about the president's briefing. saying that isis was a growing threat. in open testimony on capitol
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hill, it was not in a closed session, more information about isis as a growing threat. all of a sudden you start to realize that if the president says what we say around here is they're jv, and now trying to convince himself that's not what he meant is disturbing. it also tells us that the white house knows they're in big trouble for this comment. they don't have to be, but remember benghazi? about two years ago this thursday, president obama doesn't call it a terrorist attack, but convinces candy crowley in the debate, but then they blamed the video and then they said no we didn't. the e-mails come out and show yes, they were blaming the videos, jay carney says no we weren't. >> it's crazy that we don't have video that we can't look back,
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we're not paying attention. >> and by the way a great special, i watched it -- >> if there is ever a place in the world where things evolve and change quickly it's in the middle east. i don't think anybody really had a notion that there would be a split as clearly as there was between people who were taking on assad and isis. obama made the mistake of suggesting that the most powerful group within this group was forming themselves into a military operation and they never should a done that. >> so they should say that. >> you're saying there is no way they could have anticipated it, and i said then tell the american public that. and our views have changed about it. not that we never said that. >> but i would like to see more digging from the media to the
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administration and not just at the white house, but at the intelligence community, the pentagon, why are we in a know . it's in our investment, our intel community is so poor, that was the whole point. >> i have one thing to add. change in iraq regime, done. can imagine if he had that focus in 2011? that's what he would have done. maliki is out. >> we have to go, guys. president obama has more things we will remind that he has not said in the past. the league changes his mind about ray rice after new video surfaces of him knocking out his then fiance in an elevator.
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an exclusive interview with this pic, we're going to talk about it.
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we have all seen the video of ray rice dragging his unconscious wife out of an elevator. they have since terminated the running back. the february incident initially got rice a two game us pension. now he has been sus pented indefinitely. he was not on the active roster at the time of kick off, so he will not get the $4 million. first off, a big change from a two-game suspension. even though domestic abuse was concluded, to see it changed everything. >> why did it have to change everything. how do you think she got autoof that elevator?
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what do you think happened in the elevator. she had to get an injury and sustain serious trauma to the ahead head to be knocked off like that. that is called -- he had a day in court. he had a good lawyer, the jury didn't see it that way. that doesn't mean that he was innocent. >> i'm not saying he was innocent, seeing it, the ravens saying you can't play, they were going to prosecute, they had the video, but because they didn't want to press charges, you can't really pin this on law enforcement. the baltimore ravens saw the video for the first time and they did the right thing, they
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cut him immediately. the league had not seen it and when they did they say we're going to an indefinite suspension. you have the coach that came out after this happened and said he was a good guy, a nice guy or something like that and maybe kids should look up to john harbaugh, to the suspension he got after doing something wrong. that was way too early for that, but the big one right here. what's the players association going to do now? are they going to defend him? are they going to say he should never be able to play football again? that is a union. but part of the problem, of course is that for too long, both the nfl and the players union have overlooked domestic violence. >> but he should never put on a
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nfl uniform again. >> his brother's team, ray mcdonald, he is still in uniform. dana, what's your reaction to the league? the commissioner came out and said i blew it, prior to the video. i'm sorry, i was wrong, which is very rare to hear these days. so having said that, what was it about the video that changed everything. even though we knew that domestic violence took place. >> they should have done the right thing from the beginning. not just from a leg standpoint, but if you're an owner -- are you only doing it because now there is a video. obviously was there something that happened. all of my instincts say there is something strange about the video. why is it released now? the nfl says they didn't see it,
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why did tmz hold it? >> that hotel, evidently is closing, and maybe they just went in there and -- >> they may have been a disgruntled employee. maybe they paid for part of it -- >> i don't know, i think there is something fishy about that situation with the video. i think if they had it originally, they should have released the whole thing. >> tmz, you mean? >> they don't know, did they release it -- >> did the nfl try to get the full video? >> if they had it why didn't they show it, so many times it's very problematic. >> evidence with the nfl -- >> the nfl saw the after math which is her being dragged out of an elevator. having a concern for the victim, still in a relationship, married to the perpetrator, why would
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you not want full disclosure. >> it doesn't matter, someone who is still working for the nfl, playing in the legal, it is all very transparent. they are financially department. >> now she has a guy, a husband that beats the crap out of her in an elevator, and he doesn't have an income. >> let's see where we go from here. ray mcdonald, the next one on deck, i'm sure he will be dealt with. be prepared to be stunned now when you heard what ward churchill said to megyn kelly.
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thursday is the 13th anniversary of 9/11. you remember ward churchill, how does he feel now. >> you poured salt in the bouwos of the victims of 9/11 and their families. how can you take the moral high ground when you, at their most vulnerable moment did the same thing to them. >> that's exactly the same point again. it's done day in and day out. >> i'm talking about you take responsibility for your actions. >> my responsibility was do what i did, which is show you wt it feels like. if you're too dense to get it, okay -- >> do you believe the united
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states ought to be bombed? >> i think the united states by it's own rules is subject to being bombed. >> you can't answer the question? >> i answered it. >> yes or no, why do we deserve to be bombed? >> if it doesn't comply to law it opens itself up to it. >> why can't you just answer honestly, yes or no, do we deserve to be bombed. just say it if you think it's true. >> megyn kelly is with us now, did he answer that question? >> yes, and many more. so you asked me about it, and i said in one word, it was riveting. i think it was, the viewer response agreed, this is equally riveting, i went back to my staff, and they said they think it is better. this guy, i just let him talk,
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and you have a window not into just how ward churchill feels, but a window into the far, far radical left of america. and what is so amazing is he was a professor at the university of colorado for decades. it's not like a weird thing where he got a year in, a tenured respected professor. he is not alone. there are professors at several major universities in this country that feel the same way that ward churchill does. the chicken are just coming home to roost. and it's a window into how these people feel when it comes to our foreign policy, interventionalist policies, and with isis, what they think we should do with them. does he have any moral high ground for this group that beheads americans. >> i watched it, i loved it, and
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at some point you look at him and go okay, he really believes that stuff. you give people credit when they really truly believe something deep down. i watched some of this and i want today strangle that guy. did you have that feeling listening to bill ayers and this joker? >> i felt anger when he talked about the 9/11 victims and how, in his mind, they arguably deserved it. he says they were little eichmann's. and we get into it big time because no one ever challenged him on what eichmann actually did, and he was one of the worst nazi's ever. that is disproved in this interview, so i got angry when he was talking about that, but between churchill and ayers, churchill is a better human
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being, ayers bombed the united states of america. he and his wife took american lives into their own hands. churchill is just an anarchist. he sees the world in this way and he is not alone. he hurt people with his words and views, but he didn't try to physically hurt people. >> that's not, i think one of the advantages of this is you do expose those people who have ever right in the world to say what they want to say as long as they don't go through with it. it may be pain for the families, but anarchy is a practiced political form in this country. it's not one or two single people. it's larger than that. i have known these people for a long time and they have ever right in the world to say -- they don't have every right -- >> besides ageing horribly, did
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he change anything from a few years ago? he kept suing, didn't get his appeals? >> no, he won with the jury. he -- the university of california wound up, we outline this tonight, he wrote a crazy essay on 9/11 while the towers were still smolders blaming the victims saying the chickens came home to roost. no one fluttered an eyelid, everybody was fine. he wrote a book saying the same stuff. in 2005 he gave a speech in new york, one of the students that was a son of a victim started to object. bill o'riley made it a big story, and the university of colorado said oh, we're shocked, it's terrible. we can't fire him for free speech, but he did all of this other stuff. he was railroaded out of that
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university for free speech and the jury rightfully sided with him. so even though he won with the jury, he lost overall. >> do you think he bears any responsibility for his inflammatory rhetoric? the things he says? he didn't personally commit physical acts, but -- >> i asked him about that, right? you heard that in the clip, what about the pain that you cause. and in some instances he has killed, so inadverteninadverteno you live in this country. >> they go on kayak.com -- >> fair enough, but look at the difference. you know what difference is,
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bob? the white supremcists are not teaching our kids. >> it was out there and it was celebrated. he was celebrated. the hypocrisy when the community turned on him, because once the alumni and donors got wind of what he was saying they were ticked, but the academics were fine with it. wait until you hear the lists of other professor that's see the world as ward churchill does. >> expose them all. >> top to bottom. >> and the university of colorado -- that's not the point, i think it impacts more on kids not very smart in high schools and that's where they were. if you want to talk about -- >> no, but they -- the
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classroom, they have a captive audience. >> that is like a bizarre -- >> i don't want to hear about that. you're talking about white supremacists -- >> i'm so glad you could come. >> it's like an authentic experience. hopefully i'm over this by 9:00. next, does president obama regret going golfs after addressing america on the
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president obama took a lot of heat after announcing the beheading of american journalist
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james foley. >> you made the statement on foley and you went and golfed. do you want that back? >> it is always a challenge when you're supposed to be on vacation. you're followed everywhere. part of what i would love is a vacation from the press. this t is not something that always comes naturally to me -- >> i want so much to get it, and to not blame the bless, media, take ownership of it, it was a bad idea. why are we still going over this and still trying to massage it? >> i don't know i'm really deeply disappointed in that situation.
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i think it conveyed a feeling across america when he could have been in a position to rally the nation to call to action to deal with the threats. >> and to the international allies and european unions, to say we got this, we're coming for you in the united front. >> so they expect president obama, they expect us to believe that a sitting m inting preside years in, didn't consider the optics? from the photo-op for jfk, everything that do is all about the optics. he either thinks we're stupid, he is stupid, or he simply doesn't care. i know he's not stupid and we're not stupid, so he just doesn't care. he was golfing six minutes after
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a speech on james foley being beheaded. he is in a golf cart smiling. >> we know that there are americans -- >> as kimberly said i was defending last time, let me just say that you're suggesting here that he doesn't care about this guy being beheaded. >> no, i didn't say that. i'm talking about the optics of him golfing when people are being beheaded. >> he said he was wrong on the optics, what more do you ask him to do? >> i think the word optics should not even be coming from him. for everyone to say i could not picture personally, speaking to the parents like he did, being on the golf course 15 minutes
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later. people want to know, how could you do that? i don't care how it looks, how could you want to? i was in automatic mode, i started golfing, and it hit me i should not be here. >> everybody is making him look bad. >> he was not mad about golfing, he was mad that the press took the picture and we're talking about it. he is looking at 864, you saw president bush and president clinton today having a great time today. >> but they worked until the end, they saw the end in sight, and i'm not saying nobody thought about their legacy, but they were working to the close. >> bill clinton never -- he -- >> are you suggesting obama is not working? >> i'm saying if he is looking
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to the finish line now, that's crazy, his legacy, the rest of his life, is going to determine what he does and doesn't do. >> it's really tough when you're supposed to be on vacation. i don't know, you're the president of the united states. if you can get time off once in awhile, great. man up, quit having a pity party for yourself all of the time. social security very frustrating and it's such an emotional disconnect. guess who is responsible for it? >> to be honest with you, it feels to me that the americans have a tendency to do that -- >> the facts speak for themselves. he is on the golf course six minutes later and it's not believable. coming up on "the five" breaking news across the pond involving will and kate.
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if they real by went to have an impact. i think it does show you that the war between the sunnis and the shias that is heating up in the middle east, if we can get them to buy in and to fight on our behalf, that would be great. but i don't want to rely on that. >> no, you don't rely on it. >> they can provide us with intelligen intelligence. >> i would like money, intelligence, any kind of support they can so it's not on our shoulders. i will never one day of our life count on it and expect it. if it does, gravy. >> why it's important to hear that is so many people believe what he bleaches. >> -- he believes. >> that's what they're counting on. >> you want to count on the arab league? >> absolutely. let's see the -- >> the funny guy and put him on. >> oh, boy. >> we give the saudis so much
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military hardware, qatar. use it. surprise us and bomb isis. >> can we get care now? care now to say -- push back on imam? >> make a statement against it? >> the fact that islam and terror shouldn't go hand in hand like they said. >> i think care should respond to lots of things. >> we need another hour of this. >> one more thing is up next. keep it on the air. ♪
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time for one more thing. dana is up first. >> there was exciting news today announced by presidents clinton and bush. i think we have a photograph. down in washington, d.c., they announced a new scholarship program. the presidential leaders scholars program. they're going to accept applicants, this is a great program. if you know someone who could be a future leader, they have to have ten years practical experience but this is a program that's sort of like an executive
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mba. all about leadership. you don't have to want be to run for president really but a great program. if you know people go to "the five's" facebook page. bob, you're not eligible. you can find more on our facebook page. >> k.g., you're up. >> you might have heard this news today but i can't get enough. here we go, a new baby is on the way. the duchess is pregnant. there you see her with will. so let's listen to the sound of the happy prince. >> she's feeling okay. she's been -- it's been a tricky few days. we're thrilled. it's great news. early days. we're hoping things settle down and she feels a bit better, but it's important to focus on the big news, the big international and domestic news. >> this is why you can never miss "the five" because our very own dana preno on the new year's eve show predicted this. >> i said it would happen this year.
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i want some sort of a prize. >> i have to go very quickly. you think your dog is cool, here's one of the coolest dogs ever. here's george who apparently loves the nfl. watch. >> football? >> he did it last year, but this is the first game this year and apparently if you see that. >> so excited. >> not nearly as excited because football is up. >> our favorite plate is olive garden. olive garden has some big, big promotions. here's a new promotion. everybody get in line. for 100 bucks you can eat all the spaghetti you want for -- >> a year. >> a year and it goes on just with unlimited pasta, salad, bread. >> wait. >> eric is in line to get this. and you get all you can eat. everything you can eat. shove it in. olive garden. then -- >> will you buy me one? >> sure. >> i've got to tell you, we have the worst horror story. we've been waiting.
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end with a positive one. derek jeter is calling it quits. they had derek jeter day. reggie, winfield, cal ripken, joe tori. great speech, great time. there will not be another guy like this. appreciate who he is and what he's done. >> great man, captain and leader. >> absolutely. >> some good news. you never have to miss an hour of this show. watch fox news live from your computer. type in fox news go.com or download the fox app. that's it for us. "special report" is on deck. >> it is tuesday september 9th, a fox news alert. the inch turning a blind eye? stunning events in the ray rice situation.
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they now say things fresh fire. >> torrential downpour, flash flood waters and absolutely no way out. >> mother nature far from finished. >> it is time to put rumors to rest. apple hours away from the big reveal. a sneak peak at what you can expect. "fox & friends first" starts right now. ♪ >> good morning to you. waking up to a little j-lo. you are watching "fox and friends first. i am ainsley earhardt. >> i am heather childers. thank you for starting wyour da with us. bombshell new details about the investigation into ray rice. the ravens running back cut by
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baltimore and suspended indefinitely by the nfl. this one day aftershocking video shows the nfl star punching his fiancee. robert gray is live. >> tmz the first to report or release this video. what are they saying now? >> tmz saying they didn't do its due diligence never asking the hotel and casino askifor shocki video. he struck his then fiancee. they said they would have willingly given their video clip to the nfl. the casino made a copy of the surveillance video to the police and rice's lawyer has a copy as well. he was given a two-game suspension a previously released video clap shows the three time all pro graiging his wife from

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