startup-ny has new businesses popping up across the state. see how startup-ny can help your business grow at startup.ny.gov hello, everyone. you should ftry her lady bug omelette. this is the five. >> the vaemg strategy of taking terrorists who target us. >> better late than ever. if you already hate the president, you probably hate that speech. if you love obama, you probably didn't watch it anyway. too busy with fashion week. but if this is war, let's dispense with the politics and assume our guy.

he didn't say everything i wanted, but dare i say he sounded like us. if cross dressing as a righty gets the country behind you, why not get the sex change. we're more fun and we're always armed. and let's stop insulting the right when acting lying them actually saves your rear. so i'm with you you on these conditions. islam. say it. >> let's make two things clear. sooi isil is not islamic. no religion condones the killing of innocence and vast have been muslim and isil is certainly not a state. >> we get it. not all muslims are terrorists. but the i in isil doesn't stand for igloo. and why this? >> ir want the american people to understand how this effort will be different from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. it will not involve american combat troops fighting on

foreign soil. >> again, why tell the enemy what we won't do? imagine if the bulls did that in '96. everything should be on the table including al baghdadi's bull either ridden corpse. finally, you must believe in the fight.either ridden corpse. finally, you must believe in the fight. you're right about climate change, since you've been in charge, it's gotten hotter in ukraine, syria, iraq, detroit. you're worse for the environment than coal. but if you didn't want to be the world's police man, be the world's garbage man and take out the trash. you don't need another nobel prize. so bob, i want to go to you first. you said there would be a lot of the word strategy. what did you make of this? s >> that it was a strategy. no, i think what he did here, you can say it's somewhat late coming to the table, but i've

always thought strategy idea was nuts. the strategy is to get rid of these guy, right? the question i have is when he talks about a coalitions i wish he had had a couple people to name. that would have been helpful. but i think there are already targets picked out in syria and i think they will go for them next week. and here is the problem for the republicans. you have to be care about criticizing the president at a time like this. if it works, he will get very big marks out of it. >> that's why i say he's our guy. but i thought you liked the conditions. >> i did. >> eric, it was good. was it believable? >> yeah, because it didn't go far enough. by the way, the reason why he says if you threaten america, you won't find a safe haven, because he created all the safe havens for them to find and that's where they're hiding. remember he said we will pull out december 31, 2011.

so january 1st, 2012 was when al qaeda and iraq started to grow and grow and grow, become bigger and then turn into what is now isis. as you you point out, you're befr benching jordan, so guess what, he shouldn't have ever gotten to this. the $500 million, so what. i'm very concerned that the $500 million to train fsa vetted fighters? really? because we were about to hand over a lot of money one time before. and they end up being isis. i don't know. i didn't hear anything that was really crazy other than we're going to continue to air strike in sear gentleman. better step it p up and at the better do it fast. >> kimberly, did president obama say anything that was surprising? was it enough? >> i thought he looked pretty good. but he didn't move me. and he looked good today, too. i think this was a smart strategy actually.

political strategy, of course he said what he needed to do. the president speaking in a prime time address suggests that it is more serious, makes people sit up and pay attention. that was a good move on his part. so i think in terms of that layout, it went well for him. i would have liked to of course see him go further, but at least now he can't back down from what he has said. >> all right. what did you make of the speech? i saw on a number of shows where you you performed admirably. did you find it pay ttriotic or political? >> i think any prime time speech is patriotic. so i also think about it, though, how is the after effect. does it hold up. looking back almost 24 hours you now, did the tone match the seriousness of the moment? i say yes. does policy hold up to scrutiny?

the strategy that he announced. i say arguably no. in particular the two examples he gave were that this was going to be like fighting in yemen and somal somalia. today state department says don't travel to yemen. and it's not holding up because they're so different. you have al shabaab saying they are not a military like isis. that is actually now a military, not just a terrorist group. third thing is on the morning after a speech like that, does your coalition start to form. first of all, i think it should have been lined up beforehand. they should have locked those things down. so i think the speech was about a week too early. spending another week to lock down the allies would have been hard politically for them to stomach another week, but would have been the right thing to do to have that. fourth thing is a really big one. it's not just a congressional issue, it's a question about the authorization to use military force. about a month ago, the white house sent a letter to john

boehner asking for the congress to withdraw the authorizes to use military force. they never liked it in the first place. and just last week, they were asked do you still believe that. they said yes, it was the right thing to do. now today they're trying to base their decision, the president's decision, to strike in syria on authorization to use military force which they just said that they don't want. so on several grounds i think it's shaky and i think it was about a week too early to give the speech. >> let me ask you this. president obama has done the same thing that president obama did which was make a distinction between radical islam and id lamb. do you think that is helpful? >> sure, but the question is whether they will step up to the plate or not. he made a point pretty directly that he expected the muslim countries would join in. they got the most to lose of anybody else. and if you don't have one, if

you don't have -- you probably could get jordan. we could get saudiarabia. i think there is a way to even get iran to be participating in this because they're all frightened of these guys. they're 100 miles from the capital. so think he needs to do it. if he doesn't come up with one of them, i don't know p whwhat do at that point. >> he mentioned a, quote, broad coalition and today we heard the brits say we're not part of that, we weren't do any air strikes. >> and an hour later, they said maybe we will. there is not solace. >> if i'm going to the american people and say i have a broad coalition, have a name. give my one name. >> this is what i'm saying. look what was happening in this country. deal is, it was 9/11 and he

addressed the country on the eve of 9/11. that was purposeful. and, yes, he probably could have benefitted from having a stronger coalition putting a name on it, having something a little bit more solid to lay hands on if he waited a week. but they didn't see it that way politically. >> john kerry says we're not at war. >> that's a bizarre comment. >> he calls it a counter terror effort. really? don't we do that anyway? >> we actually don't have prime time addresses to announce counter terror efforts. this is the other reason i think they gave the speech a week too early. they're not all on the same page. they're rushing it. and i think that it would be even a better effort if it they had just waited. so now you have the question is the secretary of state and the president, not on the same page? are we at war with isis, are we at war more broadly or are we

just going to do pinprick strikes against every group that pops up? they will try to reconstitute themselves. >> can i play a little semantics here? i don't think president obama said we're at war. so he avoided the word war.

if they do declare a war, you got to do go to congress and everyone knows with 53 days left before an election, there is no democrat that wants to put his name down that he voted for war when they basically -- >> it's an interesting thing because now once again the president will rely on republicans to give him national security authorization which i think that they will give. >> where is the left by the way? >> if you look at the endangered species called democrats in red states in the senate, i don't think any one of them would vote

against that. >> in those particular state, sure. just fedepends on their core c n constituen constituency. >> it was because they saw something they will remember and i think you'd be crazy to be against it or let the republicans -- >> so why not do it the right way and go to a vote. >> if -- the question is -- >> why wouldn't president obama say i'm going to bring it to you, congress. >> tell us why are or why not. >> the question is you have too ha to have a separate piece of legislation. >> you have people like senator rubio saying we back him. i think the analysis is wrong on

the question of how quickly public opinion turned. i think it's been building. you have the president constantly under criticism and scrutiny and some would say

attack for fundraisers, golf, not paying attention to these things as they were building. and then i think that it's almost like when the beheadings happened, oh, my gosh, what have you been comi doing. they still don't get spupt frup from me or the american public. it's because of his inaction that we're in this position, we're in a crisis position. and every single answn syria. obama has taken a lot of heat, but it wasn't quite that clear. >> it is bizarre that the president just two weeks ago absolutely dismissed the people actually making up the free syrian army, saying they're community organizers. and now he's actually -- we're baiting national security on this rag tag bunch. they got kicked out by the dictator.siting national securi this rag tag bunch.

tipping now with our special coverage of president obama's speech announcing further action against the terror group isis, so it president take us to the brink of war because he believes it will keep us safe or because he thought it was a good political decision? >> the president knows how to read polls. he's trying to channel the public. majority of the public is both hawkish and dovish. they don't think the president has been leading, but they don't want ground troops. it's what the american public right now in its conflicted mind set want s and what the presidet will give them rhetorically.

>> will he see it through or just started limited campaign with limited means and see how far it goes? >> we'll start with you, bob. you can make a case that president obama a year ago on syria his policy, he flipped on what to do there basically following the polls on that one, too. >> i'm a little -- you said the guy follows the polls. a lot of presidents follow polls. franklin roosevelt refused to get into world cwar ii because e was up for re-election. there was something called the america first movement. polls were runned decidedly against it and roosevelt refused to get in. that's world war ii we're talking about. go down the list. wars have changed politics and generally politics change when the country changes. vietnam good case in point. >> dana made a point yesterday, i think you said president obama

didn't really care about the polls. >> voirs we were certainly very aware of them. my point last night was about the surge which was an admission by president bush that the strategy there up to then had not been good enough and that the war effort was losing and if we did not turn it things around, that he -- you you saw last night 38 million views of president bush predicting everything now if we pulled out too early. but in the communications office at the time, i remember every poll said what we knew president bush wanted to do was the most unpopular thing you could imagine. however, through persuasion, persistence, constant vigilance, listening to the advisers, it wasn't until about six are or seventh months later that you started to seat sur ed ted to s apeffect. and that's what i want to encourage everybody.

there are reasons doctor why we got to this point, but we have shown with a good strategy, we can turn a situation around. we can actually have an effect on isis. i don't know if the strategy as it was announced last night is enough, but i think it will evolve that it will be. >> i think she's 100% right. have faith, have confidence in our military, the people that know what is going on p be able to wait for the right choices, for decisions to be made. they will have a positive impact. at the time people were naysayers about the surge, it ended up working and it took a leader to put himself out on the fringe to take heat and criticism. and that's what you do when you're president and that's all we're expecting from president obama. >> that's what he did it. keep in mind, sustained air campaign worked in the balkans. we waenlged a war there without troops on the ground. so there is a press department

for precedent for it. >> are politics or are policy first? >> this is somebody who is addicted to politics. that's his drug. he enjoys -- i think he enjoys winning a partisan battle. he's not that interest the in winning a war. so that's how you see politics influence policy. and you get the sense that even though the strong tongue was there, you felt he felt that he had to do it. he didn't want to do it. he was like a student being forced to do his homework. >> can we roll the sound bite? probably the only moment where i stood up and said about time. take a listen to this. >> i've made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country wherever they are. that means i will not hesitate to take action against isil in syria as well as iraq. this is a core principle of my presidency. if you threaten america, you will find no safe haven. >> that's big talk.

will he walk the walk? >> i hope so. i know back to what i said in the amount of block. i like it when liberals do the right thing, it's always they act conservative. >> and then try to claim it was theirs's. the score of his presidency? it's the core of the american policy set by the previous president. >> sound tsz likes like a bush doctrine. >> we're willing to share. just do the right thing. i like that part. there is no more border between iraq and syria. let's deal with the reality of situation. pursue them wherever terror is. we shall follow and destroy. >> beers leawe're also learning lot about these guys. they have opposition, and they're not taking land. i think they're vastly over rat rated. horrible people, but vastly overrated.

as a military force, they will be taken down. >> i hope that but you can't operate on hope. we found that out. >> so vastly overrated that the president takes a 9:00 prime time, stops everything, hold the press presses. >> i was talking to my kid yesterday, the chances of them having an impact as a military force in the united states for example is just vastly overstate. >> you about that's a different image. as a military force coming over, remember, they have trained up to 20,000 foreign fighters that have western passports. and that's what we'll talk about next. >> let me do this quickly. josh earnest being snarky. quick thoughts after. go. >> what does victory look like here? you talk about destroying isil. i don't think i know what that means. what does it mean? >> i didn't bring my webster's dictionary with me up here.

>> come on. >> well, you you know, it's -- >> i understand -- >> i think it's an i willustrat phrase. >> he probably should have said that first. >> i'm just ee >> he probably should have said that first. >> i'm just enamored by his hair. i wasn't listening. do you like this guy? >> no. why? >> he's better than the last guy. >> you think so? >> just in terms of what he looks like. >> so we're now going on looks? >> yes, we are. >> we would never do that here on the five. never. >> a little bit of a stretch. >> how do you think bob got this job? on looks. >> if these legs weren't so

long, i wouldn't have to stick them out over there. >> we should go right about now. isis says its goal is to kill americans.

government sending conflicting signals to the american people on the terror threat he we face. >> there is no evidence on indicate they are plotting to hit the homeland. >> we know he noknow of know cr

information. >> our intelligence community believes thousands of foreigners including some americans have joined them in syria and iraq. they could return to their home countries and carry out deadly attacks. >> mike morell says the threat is clear. >> the fact that they have the ability is what should worry us. so i think the threat of a foreign fighter coming here and doing something is real. >> that was the former cia director. what do you make of that? >> you don't need isil. it's already here. you have ft. hood, you have this young fellow murdered by jihadist in new jersey. you don't need to call it isil or isis. it already has a name. it's called radical islam. it's in michigan, minnesota, new

jersey. two different spellings, but the same red stuff. >> i agree. the fbi most recent national threat assessment for domestic terrorism makes no reference to islamic terror threats despite the boston marathon bombing and ft. hood. those were both carried out by radical muslimuslims. >> they have consistently mislabeled it over the past how many years. they call it workplace violence. nobody wants to wrap their arms around exactly what it is. they need to man up, understand that this threat is real, that it is pervasive and that we have to take it seriously. i hope that you're right about some of this stuff. i don't think you are. and i have no problem with overreacting a bit to make sure that we are covering all our bases. but we don't have secure borders. there are many means and ways and opportunities for terror to

go. they will take the path of least resistance. they will utilize the $2.8 billion in assets to have arms or weapon, whatever they need to extend to other countries, wlaef it takes to get the job done. they are not war weary. they are jihadists. >> the jihadists, we have a lot of veterans of this kind of intelligence -- we have enough intelligence. in order to put something together like they did on 9/11, which by the way the intelligence community knew about. if the two had sat down, it would not have happened. simple as that. >> let's move on. >> wait, but bob, you're the one that keeps talking about the threat of radical islam all the time and now it's no big deal. >> it doesn't work for his politics. >> the threat to christianity has been my major focus. i do not believe that -- and what i do think is there are people in this country who are muslims contributing money and

than power to some of these people, but i don't think that you're going to sigh -- what are you talking about? >> can i get eric? here?eigh -- what are you talking about? >> can i get eric? here?eigh -- what are you talking about? >> can i get eric? here?gh -- what are you talking about? >> can i get eric? here?h -- what are you talking about? >> can i get eric? here? -- what are you talking about? >> can i get eric? here? you waited the world trade center attacks. how do you think of the terror threat? >> increase a building when it blows up in 1993 and watching it a second time, yeah, you never relax. these terrorists love anniversaries. bob, listen to me. they're here. they're not coming here. they're here. we find a terror cell in minnesota with three kids now dead who went overseas to fight for isis. when are they going to start blowing themselves up here? and kimberly is right. the yupd secretary of homeland

security testified in front of the senate, answered john mccain and said you're right, there is terror cells, they are being accumulating along the mexican/u.s. border. john mccain asked specifically, and i can't remember the person's name, but, yes, they said that's actually happening. so can you imagine terror cells forming? >> why wouldn't they take an open door like that, an open window, any opportunity they can. >> to do what? >> to commit terror acts against the united states. we are their sweet spot. do you not get that? >> of course i get it. i think what you don't get, you have this notion that some somehow since 9/11, it was a horrible thing, but i'll say it again and get beat up on this, the time has come for this country to move on. >> move on and get hit again. never forget. all those lives lost?

we should learn a lesson from it. never let it happen again. >> 3,000 innocent americans being killed? no. don't move on. be more vivigilant. >> it is strange to hear you say that the day after president obama give as prime time address saying we need take further actions to protect our interests. >> what i'm talking about as a society, we are so -- these guys are winning because they have us talking about it and we've sent trillions of dollars trying to make our intelligence dollars better and borders more secure. and i think -- >> bob, i would agree with you you about toning down the rhetoric if i did feel that safe, if i can it feel that the borders were secure and that we were doing enough with intel and enough killing of these. then i would say you're right. but i have moved on. but moving on does not mean not being willing to destroy and kill these people. >> of course not. i'm just saying that --

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tonight more controversy swirling around ray rice. the nfl announced today it hired robert mueller to lead an independent investigation into the scandal. sources close to rice now tell tmz he allegedly blames heavy drinking for his violent attack on janay. they say since that night, he's laid off hard liquor and become more religious. >> whenever i hear laid off hard liquor, it mean he's continued to drink liquor. everybody seems to find religion right after they to something outrageous as this. i'm very suspect about it.

the more i listen, i more i think the nfl is conspiring to keep its logo worth what it's worth. the idea that they sent a note to the casino saying who asked for the tape, somebody asked for the tape in the nfl, right? it got to the nfl and it got perried. >> and i'll take the other side. again, let's not forget the number one -- the one we should be blaming is ray rice. if you want to look further, law enforcement, they dropped the wall. ball. if they did their job, it was a no brainer for the nfl. and ravens could have done their own investigation. nfl is fourth in line, but for some reason goodell mentioned 1,000 times. >> so you think it's unfair.

>> i've met roger goodell. and it doesn't add up. and when it doesn't add up, i think in the end the nfl will be exonera exonerated. >> its's not just ray rice. there were complaints about this to the nfl from their other players forrer years now.'s not. there were complaints about this to the nfl from their other players forrer years now. they have done nothing. >> dana, how do you think the nfl is handling this? >> i think they should hire somebody who has done investigations and thenhe nfl announced, not because i said it, but to hire bob mueller to look at it, hopefully that will help give everybody the answers that they're looking for. >> and i go back to the question that i asked yesterday. why isn't janay's family leading the outrage? is it because he's their golden goose. the lesson from rice and perhaps pistorius, we have protected

classes. every everyone is invested in them because they're wealthy and famous. >> and can i just -- a quick analogy. when chris brown punches rihanna or any of the hip hop stars do this to their girlfriends, or in television our oruf have imovie don't go after the movie house or the media. they go after the perpetrator. >> because we're tired of the abuses so let's do something about it. that's why i think the distinction. but another legal update. oscar miss tore pistorius was found not guilty.

the hearing has been adjourned on a lesser charge. the judge said it did not support premeditated murder. so more on that later in the week. hopefully later tomorrow. when we return, 13 years later, we are still fighting war against iz laslamic terror. we remember september 11th when we come back. ♪

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the second tower. >> wow. another explosion has taken place at the pentagon. >> 93, are you still here. united 93, do you hear, cleveland. >> all right. well, in the break my good friends here at the five as always do try to cover me and said you have to try to dig yourself out of a hole. i will explain what i believe the hole that i managed to feel very comfortable in. eric, go ahead. >> do you want to do it now? >> you're not explaining it? >> oh, at the end? okay. so i looked back and i had very close friends in the building when it came down. they were in a meeting. again, i don't think we're any safer than we were that day, date before, the day after. we were safe forr for a while a

think the lack of vision on the war on terror or the inability of the administration i guess to call it a war on terror and use all methods i think is a mistake. and think we'll have another one. >> dana. >> this morning one of the things i was thinking about about and it makes me catch my breath is the passengers on flight 93. they were delayed from takeoff for about 40 minutes. some had news about something that was going on. it was in the air that they realized this would he have bav the fourth plane and they take such brave action. and the memorial is here, but that flight 93, if you have chance to visit that site, their bravery still shocks me. >> i partly agree with bob in the fact that -- >> you mean greg? >> that's cool. we must educate. there is so much crap being

taught in school. just pointless stuff you forget. there has to be a terror class in which a smart instructor tells people how pernicious ideology is and why it attracts hopeless people and you how you fight such pernicious thinking. and you should also at the same time teach kids what is at stake. what you is an you stand to los do not fight these battles. >> i think we can never to get. i think with every life that was long, not just on 9/11, per harbor, all the battles taught by brave american, never forget so this this nation can be safe and strong. they have been at war over religion, et cetera, no 1700 years. they are not going away. >> and let's try a distinction

between com place sanz and moving on. of course we remember pearl harbor and this was a tragic incident. the question is how much do you have your country change. i remember when i was a kid, they played duck and cover because they thought nukes would be coming over from russia, so we got under are our chairs in the class room. scared the hell ultimate of out. the threat is real, but we've revamped our entire intelligence system and internally we're in much better shape to intercept terrorists than we were before. so i think we ought to say we're doing a good job here and we've put together as much as we possibly can and we should maybe do a little more, but we're in better shape today. and we've already proved that. so that's what i'm talking about. don't move on from 9/11 as a symbol of a terrible situations but move on from a state of mind that has us trapped and these

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final for one more thing. >> america is once again going to war to try to eradicate as afternoons possible radical islamists. we've asked for the help of muslim countries and as to far you've referred to stand up and

yet your people are getting slaughtered and we're in there trying to save their lives. i'm talking about saudi arabia, turkey, jordan, iran. you people are the ones from wence these people came. if you're really worried, it's time for you to join the fight. we're not cowards, but i'm afraid a lot of you are. >> dana, you got somebody you want to yell at? >> alex trebek. he's about to enter his 30th season. and check this out. he's bringing back the mustache. congratulations to alex. >> that mustache was actually vacationing in italy the whole time. okay. so some shows will do anything for ratings. and this morning's show, i think it's good morning something, they allowed a wild beast into

their -- are we going to show it? there you go. there is a bat in there flying around. look at the guy in the middle. he's terrified. he's looking, dancing like a freak. doesn't know what is going on. oh, almost lost it. the good news is they caught the bat, the bad news is he's now doing the weather. so good news for everybody. i think we've seen enough. back to reality. >> that was more ridiculous than our show. >> not by much. >> okay. there was a time there was a cockroach in the green room. all right. how funny is jimmy kimmel? fashion week this new york, yes, i'm guilty, raise your hand if you were there. these people were there. not sure they saw any of the real shows. take a listen to this. >> some of the lesser known designers. chandler bing? >> yeah, i have heard of.

toy follow. >> teddy ruxpin? >> yeah. >> scolia? >> yes. >> what about fill re robertson? >> beyond one of my favorites. >> so cool. >> pretty funny. i like it. good job. >> are those people really designers? >> no. that's why they showed the pictures on the screen. >> can i do this quick? every day about 5:45, he starts sipping singing i'm hungry. would you eat this? burger bring in japan is bringing back the black burger. they use bamboo charcoal and

squid ink. >> looks delicious. >> you y don't like that? >> and greg's birthday tomorrow. >> we have to go. this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier. just hours after president obama vowed to relentlessly go after isis terrorists, his chief diplomat pointedly says the u.s. is not at war with the terror group. ed henry starts us off with the strategy, the reaction and the contradictions in the president's plan. >> secretary of state john kerry declaring this is not a war, just a counter terror operation. perhaps an effort to show daylight from the bush administration. top officials tell me the secretary's reasoning is thaisa. they want to be a state, but they're not. he they want to be at war with the u.s. to elevate their status. yet the administration's critics know they're taking