at 1:00. jon: vacation starts sometime after sunday. that'll be fun. we'll see you back hear in an our. owp you know starts right now -- "outnumbered" to starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> this is "outnumbered," i'm andrea tantaros, and here today harris faulkner, kimberly guilfoyle, kirsten powers and today's hashtag one lucky guy, montel williams, and he is officially outnumbered. >> thank you for having me. >> we are so excited. >> i'm excited to be here. >> it's wonderful to have you. >> fabulous. >> and we sort of color coordinated. >> i think it worked. we just pulled things out of the closet. ladies, a little gray -- >> she keeps us all in sync. >> and you rolled right in. look at you. >> this is going to be a strong show. >> strong friday. >> i love the tie. >> let's jump right into the topickings. a disturbing report about isis, the extremist militants who have

taken over large parts of syria and iraq surging in size and strength. the cia now saying the terror group may have as many as some 32 the ,000 fighters -- 32,000 fighters across iraq and syria, about triple what u.s. intel officials had previously estimated. this comes as secretary of state john kerry is coming under fire for insisting that america is not at war with these guys. listen to this. >> we're engaged in a major counterterrorism operation -- >> it's not a war. >> -- and it's going to be a long-term counterterrorism operation. i think war is the wrong terminology and analogy. i don't think people need to get into war fever on this. >> well, secretary kerry's comments getting a heated response from senator john mccain who said this to our own breath that van susteren. >> it's hard to find a response to that. what was the president talking about last night then if they're just a counterterrorism organization? then we just want to contain them because if you can contain terrorist organizations, then

you don't have to worry about them. >> all right, month tell, i'm going to go to you first. it is deeply troubling to me how poorly we got this wrong, how we underestimated isis from the get go. now we've underestimated how large they are in size, and they're able to recruit so quickly because of that declaration of a caliphate in june. now they're recruiting them, it seems, quicker than we can kill them. >> it's really, i think, the crisis and the crime in all of this is our discussion and the way that we only point to one thing. >> uh-huh. >> this is, it's way bigger than whether or not this is -- why did the president not declare war against isis? because if you do so, you legitimize them as a country. you only go to war against other nations. so instead of doing that, why don't we address the fact that in the last month and a half these guys have collected somewhere near $100 million in cash. let's remember when we fought against afghanistan, we had

about 70,000 civilian employees getting paid as personal mercenaries for us. whether they were building ditches or serving food, we were paying mercenaries. isis has the ability to do this. this wasn't an underestimation. nobody figured they would get $50 million to be able to start paying people. let's talk about their techniques. out of the blue these guys are now capable of handling some of the most sophisticated advance warfare techniques on the battlefield? you don't get this because a whole bunch of people came together. they're paying special forces people. some of these people are the same guys who were fighting in afghanistan against us, the same guys fighting in somalia against us, the same guys running around for a paycheck. why is nobody talking about this at all? we just want to say kerry got it wrong. >> montel, they have declared war on us though. so if the president wanted to be consistent, wouldn't he give a speech if you're a terrorist

organization and you're not a state and you're islamic, kimberly, shouldn't he have given that speech about hamas? >> yeah, i am concerned about it. you've eloquently stated the capability, special forces, ability to operate high-tech machinery, weaponry, etc. i am concerned so, therefore, i want to know who's in charge of our guys, who's making the decision? what i don't like is people who cower and can't use the right rhetoric to step up and say what we're going to do. that's what i take issue with, straight up with the commander in chief, with the leadership, chain of command to say what do we have in place, what are we going to do about this? are we seriously aware of all the problems we have facing us now in the middle east including the financial resources that they have? >> do we really have to have top secret conversations on the news to get them ready for what you're going to do? you want to hear this through the broadcast -- >> nothing top secret about calling it war. >> obliterate. when you call it war, you made them a country. >> but he's already calling them

isil. >> you've got 31,000, watch the number jump to about a half a million -- >> they are a state. >> they're not a state. >> they've taken a number of areas of territory -- >> they are not a state. >> -- and they have declared themselves a state. >> doesn't matter what they say. >> is stands for islamic state. and, kirsten, you tweeted out something right before the show about "the new york times" reporting who the rebels are in syria. >> right. >> and that is deeply troubling to, i think, so many of us on the right and so many on the left as well because this is something that i think president obama got right a couple of months ago when he was nervous to arm them in the first place. >> right. right, and i think what originally when people were really mostly on the right urging him to arm the rebels to fight assad, the response and the president said we don't know who these people are. and the fact is, there's a lot of jihadists amongst them, and, you know, are we going to give them weapons to fight assad and end up having them used against us? i think he was right on that,

and i said that yesterday. i felt he's been bullied into this position that doesn't really make a lot of sense in syria. >> well, you know, one of the things we've learned that i'm very concerned about and would want to ask this white house more about this -- and it may inform what they're doing now in terms of syria -- from january 2013, apparently, the administration knew that some saudi weapons that had been given to the more moderate rebels as they were termed had now turned up on the battlefield in the hands of isis. and so then the question becomes if you're going to train the guys in syria, if you're going to give them more weaponry, what promise do you have that that stuff isn't going -- >> yeah, no promise. >> shoot, you could sell 'em. isis will pay. they've got cash. >> and they are paying. >> yeah. and as isis has become more powerful and they've seen their success on the battlefield, some of these moderates are aligning with isis. they're, you know, and you can't predict down the road how many of them are going to -- because they have a common enemy in

syria, assad. >> right. but andrea made a good point. they may be joining them because out of fear. they're getting bigger faster than they can be killed. >> that is the question, do we believe that what the question outlined is going to kill them quicker -- >> everybody says no. >> do we believe that this is really something that's going to happen within the confines of this presidency? >> no. >> we've already said that. >> let's make sure we remember, the guys who are isis right now are the sons of those fighters who were killed in afghanistan 17, 18, 19, 20 years ago. >> that is the cycle of terror. >> that's right. so over the next 17 year, we're going to be looking at the same thing. >> montel, i do think you bring up a good point about not disclosing everything to our enemies and every time something happens the president dictating exactly what we're going to do. we don't telegraph our punches. but time and again we've seen them telegraph their punches, the timeline for withdrawal,

intimate memos about the bin laden raid, things that the military aren't comfortable with the disclosing, and it's for press purposes. the bergdahl swap, all that stuff. >> what about bait and switch though? right now there's a lot of terrorists who think we're so excited about x, y and z because it's the only discussion. if i were the president, i would release false information every day to both fox and cnn and everyone because i know the it's going to turn into an argument, and while it's baited and switch, i can send the special forces in. remember, they did go in about three weeks ago, and nobody knew about it. >> we're also sending contractors in, that's what's happening right now. >> and don't believe isis is not doing the same thing. >> they are. >> you cannot get the technology on that battlefield that quickly, to be able to train guys that quickly -- >> that's why we have to cut off their financing, multifaceted. >> i'm with that completely. >> just the brave journalists who are still on the ground there. >> yeah. >> through a journalist from italy, we have learned that there's a young teenage girl who's now been able to tell some

of the stories of being taken off the mountain of sinjar, and she's saying the fighters are coming directly from syria into these villages in iraq, raping the women and then going straight to the battlefield as if that were incentive, if you will. that's a really frightening thought. i mean, they're using tenets of the religion to drive people over, and then they're putting them into the battle. the idea that the virgins exist here on earth, not in heaven. >> guarantee 17 years from now, another force to fight you. >> yes. >> remember, what's been the dawn of man? rape, pillage, steal. they rape so that they can leave their seed so that seed doesn't fight against the next generation. >> that's very scary. what troubles me is we wouldn't even be having this conversation on this couch if two american journalists, as you pointed out, weren't beheaded. i don't know if the president would have taken the action without those videos. the baltimore ravens playing

their first game last night since the video of ray rice beating his wife got him suspended ip definitely from the nfl, but the support he got from female fans in baltimore, you may find this pretty stunning. the questions all this raises about the athlete's off the field behavior and whether it should matter. >> there's going to be speculations always, but you can't go, you can't tell what happened this their relationship. >> i still think he's a good person who made one big mistake. / ♪ foghorn sounds loudly ♪ here's a good one seattle... what did geico say to the mariner? we could save you a boatload! ♪ foghorn sounds loudly ♪ what's seattle's favorite noise? the puget sound! ♪ foghorn sounds loudly ♪ all right, never mind doesn't matter. this is a classic. what does an alien seamstress sew with? a space needle! ♪ foghorn sounds loudly continuously ♪ oh come off it captain! geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

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♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." on thursday night football the baltimore ravens playing their first game since ray rice was tossed from the team following the explosive video showing the nfl star knock out his future wife. but some fans, including many women, proudly wearing rice's number, 27. openly voicing support for the star. >> i still think he's a good person who made one big mistake. >> there's going to be speculations always, but you can't go, you can't tell what happened in their relationship. >> i still like ray rice as a player and a person. what he does off the field, you know, shouldn't matter whether i wear his shirt or not to. >> other players got situations on, and they're still playing the game, you know what i mean?

is you can't just destroy the man. he's got a family, he's got a child, he's got to make a living. >> okay. so a lot of people, obviously, surprised by these comments but, you know, maybe not. i pretty much know what my lovely ladies -- >> i'm not surprised at all. first of all, they went to a tailgate party, so i'm going to guess there was some alcohol served with some of those people. but, i mean, it's football. it's about winning, and so those are the fans, and i would think that the local coverage has been a little bit different probably than the national coverage. but they've been on the story probably in different ways than we have looking from the outside in. no, kirsten's not buying it. >> i'm going to say no. [laughter] here's what i think, i think they're actually representative of how a lot of the world sees domestic violence. >> sad. >> and that people really don't understand this issue, and they don't -- and the idea that it just, first of all, happened once, chances of that are very minimal. usually in domestic abuse it doesn't just happen once. and maybe he is a nice guy

except for the fact that he knocked out his wife. and i'm not being sarcastic. i actually think, you know, just because you engage in domestic abuse doesn't mean you're rotten to the core, it just means you need to deal with this issue. but i just think people respect objected, they don't understand exactly what's going on usually in that house. >> i don't know. you had me except for the nice part. i mean, i just don't think -- >> i'm trying to be generous. >> -- you beat your wife or your fiancee, i think that makes you a blank hole. >> maybe they would love just to win. >> i get where the fans are coming from. they don't want to get involved in their life, their personal business, but nonetheless, i think we should care as a country -- >> well, we do. >> montel, jump in. >> here we go again, i'm that weird person in this country today that seems to be the only guy that wants to ask a couple questions -- >> okay. >> now, we can sit here and get as angry as we've all been and

talk about this for ten days in a row. snooki, from new jersey, is the star she is because she got punched in the face and knocked off a bar stool. they were going to cancel that show. but new jersey idiots became one of the biggest shows on television. we applaud every single day when they put the promos on for housewives of this, housewives of that, housewives of whoever -- >> right. >> and the main promo is women flipping tables, punching, spitting, kicking and otherwise. >> one through her leg -- >> there is a teaching moment in this that's not just about vilifying and making ray rice the poster child when there are 18 other players or more in the nfl who have been charged with domestic violence that we've not gone back and kicked them out of the league. skip that for a second. and i -- let me make sure you understand. it is vile, i believe ray rice should have lost his job for, let's say, a year. i don't know what you do after

that. do you erase this man from american history? they're pulling down his records from high school. and whether or not we can say under our breath we don't kno what went on in this -- know what went on in this home or not, there are psychiatrists and psychologists that are supposedly backing up this story that this happened one time. he should be vilified for his action, what he did, but let's talk about why we as a society embrace women fighting, embrace projecting it, make ratings out of it, bring these people up to the highest level that we can and make our little girls follow it. >> i agree. >> and no one wants to look at the teaching moment in the fact that they are staggering drunk from a hotel gaming table, hitting each other back and forth. i'm not justifying anything he did, but let's talk about the alcohol and the fact that that's all we raise to the level of conversation. >> well, and that's a central part of the mtv slow and the jersey shore program. you know, cover of the new york post today shows now ray rice

saying he's a born-again christian, he's found god. i hope so, i honestly do. i tend to agree with kirsten on this one. he's a great athlete. maybe he's done some good things, but i just -- any woman that's going to put on his jersey, i really think they need their heads examined, i do. and i would add -- >> perp. >> it's really add. and i would ask them, would you let your daughter date ray rice? forget his ability on the field because no one's denying he's a great athlete. he punched a woman, and they're celebrating, well, you know, i still stick by him. i think that's really a very sad commentary -- >> stop promoting the violence on tv. >> our society does it -- >> all the points, i'm sure, that the -- >> i actually don't agree with that because i think that's a separate issue. domestic violence is such a huge issue in this country, and so the fact that there are girls acting like idiots on reality tv is a separate problem. i don't think it has -- >> look at the fbi statistics

that right now violence in relationships among teenagers is on the rise. >> okay. >> from both sides, girls and boys. >> you can't compare the violence of women to men and women to women, it's not comparable. >> i'm not. when we have a society that the only way we can have a communication is by raising the level of discussion to an angry level what we promote the violence every day, i'm so sorry, i'm going the hear you next week tell me that hip-hop is the problem -- >> no. domestic violence precedes all of these cultural phenomenons. >> i think they're both important points, and i think this is an opportunity for ray rice and for the nfh to educate and illuminate on the issue of domestic violation, and i hope they choose well. the crises in the middle east couldn't come at a worse time for hillary clinton as some analysts say voters are beginning to link her role as secretary of state to the problems overseas. what does this mean for her potential run for the white house in 2016? and the murder of a new jersey teenager now gaining

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♪ ♪ >> all the turmoil in the middle east and with hillary clinton possibly eyeing a presidential run in 2016, some are saying her time serving as secretary of state may turn out to be her biggest political mistake. back in 2009 when clinton accepted her post in the administration, she had a 59% approval rating. now a recent "wall street journal"/nbc poll shows just 43% of voters have a favorable opinion of mrs. clinton. one writer says that could be because voters are starting to link her time at state to the growing crises overseas. so, kimberly -- >> yeah. >> -- looking back everybody thought it was such a great idea for her to become secretary of state. was this a mistake? >> well, it seemed so at the

time, right? this is a prestigious position showing her dealing with world affairs, foreign affairs which would be very beneficial should she choose to run in 2016. i think she can still work it out to her advantage. the current situation, the crisis s an issue especially if the polling shows people are associating her with it, sort of the taint of situation. >> yeah. >> who knows if she's even going to run, but if she is, she's going to have to distance herself and come out and make some strong statements about what she believes and how things are handled. >> andrea, put your political strategist hat on. how would you deal with this if you were advising hillary? >> i wouldn't underestimate hillary clinton. she's been up, she's been down, she's seen her numbers far lower than this. as you know, kirsten, when she was first lady, and she came back to win this a state that she wasn't even from. so i wouldn't underestimate her. her book tour didn't help her, i

will say that. i don't think she was adequately prepared, i don't think the people around her prepared her. i also don't think the current obama administration is doing her any favors. she was asked point blank -- not just hillary clinton, but others have been asked around her to name off some of the accomplishments, and they can't even do it. if i'm hillary clinton and i am going to run, i'm going to beef up and make sure everything is intact and, frankly, i'm going to use my husband every chance i get. >> montel, can she use the excuse she wasn't, ultimately, in charge? this was president obama, and she was advising him to do differently? >> i'd like to see the number, the poll numbers for when she was in office as secretary of state. >> they were pretty high. >> while she was in there. i think what's going on right now, this slide is nothing more than out of sight, out of mind. don't can count her out. >> yeah. >> right now all the dirt's going to end up on secretary kerry and president obama. she's going to bounce back and say i told 'em so -- >> she's going to dump the dirt on president obama. >> i agree. for a while there, she was really taking some hits coming in with the book tour, and then

suddenly radio silence. if the poll numbers or but going to go any way, they were going to go down. and this isn't helping her, you know, the state of where we are. but she's already said she would have made different decisions with regard the syria. she's gotten on the record with that through her book. she'll come back out, she'll talk -- >> i want to see poll numbers the day after she's standing right beside bill -- [laughter] and she says i think i'm going to run. [inaudible conversations] >> it's more like two for the price of run. >> two for the price of one. >> i've been sitting at home, practicing that in the mirror late at night. [laughter] >> one of the things that's sure to come up when she comes back onto the scene, the president didn't mention it this week, but you have to wonder if maybe hillary clinton will talk about our safety here at home, and so we'll segway to this next story with that this mind. the murder of a 19-year-old teenager from new jersey is now starting to gain some traction,

some national attention. that's so after a radio host argued that his death proves jihad is already reaching u.s. shores. it is here. first i want to tell you a little bit about brendan, the victim in this. he was an honor student, never in any trouble, he'd just finished his first year of college. back in june he was driving the family car coming from a friend's home alone. stopped at a traffic light when he was hit eight times, shot and killed. police initially said it was a targeted attack, but that turned out not to be true at all in their investigation. weeks later this man was arrested, the man you see now on the right side of your screen, accused of killing brendan and three other men in washington state as well. so he had already murdered, police say, and then this kid was killed. he told police the murders were carried out as revenge for u.s. military action in the middle east. he also said, quote, and this is what he said to police: all these lives are taken every single day by america, by this

government, so a life for a life, end quote. many feel this story has not gotten the attention it deserves, again, until that radio host said the discussion has to begin. >> one can only imagine the other fear and horror -- the utter fear and horror that went through his mind as this brute ail tack was being carried out. imagine for a minute that this was your child, your son or daughter. innocent of everything and anything. he was a young boy who was killed for being an american. the bottom line is this, domestic terrorism is already here, ask we need to talk about it. >> all right. so, andrea, i went on to read the rest of the statement that he had given to police, right? and it was basically just his confession, although he's since then now pleaded not guilty to the crimes he's accused of. and what he says is this kid was alone, he was american, he doesn't like what we're doing in iraq and afghanistan, and so

that's why he was killed. >> in the united states of america. and where are we hearing about this? from a radio show. where is the media on this? i mean, this story is disgusting. and this is why it's so important when you see megyn kelly interview professors like ward churchill, because what he has said in the past is what this jihadist has said in the past. this is a growing trend. we have heard small reports in new york city about apprehending domestic terrorists, how we were spying on mosques because more and more muslims are being radicalized in the united states. we hear about honor killings in michigan, parents who are -- fathers who are killing their daughters in the name of radical islam. this is a problem. and if we don't wake up to it, it's going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. and it's shameful that this story has not gotten the coverage that it's gotten. >> you know, kirsten, i want to ask about this. the administration has been so careful to say -- and we saw this in the president's speech this week, that we are safe here at home, and we're going to fight them over there which is

reminiscent of what we said a decade ago. but we don't have to wait for anybody to board a plane. >> right, right. well, no, and this was one of my criticisms of his speech, was that he didn't address that. he didn't address the fact that we all, everybody knows that they have american passports or western passports and they can get into the country and that they're in the country currently. acknowledge something is being done and they are aware of this threat. >> want want to talk about the mindset of where we are in america. from what i understand, living in a tent behind the church so he was out of sight until he decided to come out. where are we in this? what in our consciousness has to be awakened? >> again, this is why i have a new moniker on my twitter page, just left of right or just right

of left because i don't know where i sit on this. evidence of domestic terrorism is already here. excuse me, 2012 we had over 5700 instances of domestic terrorism. race or hate crimes against people in this country, 7100 victims. they were black, jewish, day, this is anti-americanism. we have antiseparatist groups, their roles and ranks have increased by over 57% in america today. so we have this guy right here bringing a jihad in th. we have jihad on shore. >> i think you are relating hate crimes against gays in the united states is different than the radical islam makes.

>> i use the same term fbi uses. >> it is using the internet to radicalize americans here to kill us. >> they collect domestic terrorism. >> of course they do, they call republicans and tea partiers domestic terror. >> now you want to say it has just got here? >> this homeland security department is domestic act of terror man-made? >> but let's also make sure we remember one death in 7000 instances. what are we going to do? we had the bombing in boston, we had over 300, more than 500,000 here. >> you can read for yourself the

mosque where the brothers were tied to this the same mosque where the man our government says is behind the beheadings of james foley and stephen sotloff attended. separate from domestic terrorism and hate crime, we are at war, you don't want to use a word, we are at war with isis writes now. >> real quickly, i think we're all agreeing you want to focus on a broader picture of different categories, but what we're talking about right here is what is going on in the country with jihadist and radicalism. do we have the kimberley for more to come here? absolutely. do we have a very serious national security issue? yes, that is the topic of this conversation. >> this conversation almost 14 years ago to people in the back of a car, one a muslim, traveling around.

terrorism has been here. >> 13 years ago a hate crime is not committed when two skyscrapers had planes fly into than at 14,000 people died. this is a radical islamic jihadist issue, and the more that we just say radicalism in general, we are being fooled by doing that. and ignoring the threat of radical islamist jihadist them. i think the victims of 9/11 would disagree. >> i want to concentrate on the victim in this too. >> hurt by domestic terrorism do not have a right to say they warn their 7000 comes with mark i am just talking about one thing. >> you did compare them. >> i did not. they are all under one umbrella. >> we have to agree to disagree.

>> i think it is important you talk about the victims on 9/11, so much this week, but this 19-year-old has something in common with them. that is it was random and it was hit because he was an american in that can be happening to any of us. this is a special young man. he made the world better, he was a blessing. yes, i live in new jersey so i know more about this story, but it is gaining traction. watch for it. i hope other media pick up on it too because whatever you want to call it isis would love to see happen on our shores, it is already happening. president obama isis strategy facing major criticism from military analysts. they say relying on the syrian rebels who have now been you have to be vetted, is it extremely questionable plan. heahere what else they are sayi. a disturbing new documentary.

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>> , on. >> i think they're putting a nice name on this for prostitute. right? they are prostitutes and calling it seeking beneficial arrangements and i think they should just call it what it is. >> is this more socially acceptable? >> just say i'm a prostitute. this has been going on for decades now. there is just a website for it. >> look, look, let me ask you, if your girlfriend came to you and said i have to tell you the truth, i make 42,000 last month. >> why are you whispering? >> what if she is doing 2000 per night. >> if she showed me a picture of one of these older guys, i would say there's not enough drinks in the room, i will get a job.

>> would you judge your girlfriend for this? >> i probably would not judge them outwardly, but probably to myself. >> do you have some of your skinny girl margaritas? >> yes, i would judge her secretly. >> it is not a good idea because there are abuses in this. one thing if your boyfriend or husband or family member that this i think really has the potential to victimize young women getting in on something they think is a good idea, their friend is doing it and you can and up in a world of trouble. >> one of the young women said he brainwashed me. these are very young girls. >> i think if they guys are doing it it would be equally unattractive, would you go out with a guy who says this is what i used to do? >> that is my point, it is not about women eating abuse.

>> you just asked if i would date a male prostitute, what is wrong with you? >> these young girls should just date guys their own age and realize they should stick to their own age group. and waitressing, get a waitressing job. get a student loan, nobody paying those back anyway, so they can't control you. get a job as a waitress or whatever. >> a new segment, 15 years in prison a death of his model girlfriend, the judge finding him guilty of culpable homicide. we have a live update from south africa bid one editorial board calling out the fashion industry and the racist bras. we will explain. [music]♪

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they come in a color like nude. . how would it make you feel that the fashion industry and society at large based its ideal of nude on caucasian people and that the color of people's skin doesn't

matter. and it is intended to use the piece and encourage americans to fight against injustice. >> i take the challenge of putting something nude and wearing it on the set and if you can see through it we have settled it. >> yeah. it is sheer. i don't think it is racist, but i get their point. we are talking about it before we were going on. a nude bra, if you are a woman and want to wear something sheer, the color you would wear and what i wear are not the same. >> they should have different shades of nude. >> how about shift the talk in men's clothes. the first time we do a truly sexist thing right here. in men's fashion there is no

nude color. i can'ty buy a nude shirt. skip it completely. >> and then go commando. >> you want to call that nude? >> for bras, there is a nude. there is a black and white and nude. >> for the nude bra, they are assuming that the skin is white. >> but the bla bra. >> and there should be different shades of nude. >> my wife send me to buy a nude bra. i would be ticked off. it is a white person's nude bra. >> maybe i am crazy. we are talking about the shades of bras. it is little weird. >> yeah. >> it seems to be noncontroversial. >> i think it is a different shade of nude. >> and a republican senator and

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