it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five jshsz. the latest fbi national threat reference makes zero references to islamic terrorists, and now, there's a very disturbing story out of new jersey that we need to tell you about because it's not getting very much attention. 19-year-old college student was driving home on june 25 when he was brutally murdered by three men, and one of the men, ali mohammad brown said it was vengeance for the u.s.'s actions

in the middle east. this kid was hurded because he was an american. there's where the discussion should take pra--. domestic terrorism is already here. >> very quickly, we'll start with you. >> they're literally miles away from the house, first they thought it was a drug but this kid is squeaky clean, he was a straight a student. did you hear about it in your

community? because you don't live too far out of manhattan, the largest media market in the country. you think this would get more coverage than one radio host bringing it to the national spotlight. i did research in new jersey and this was not really covered. and again, new jersey doesn't have a media mark, but this killer had a history of killing three times before in washington state, this is a very, very scary premise. this is haunting because in the last couple of weeks, we have heard people from social media tell us mixed messages about what they can hit us at home and high level white house officials saying the threat is not going to hit us here at home, we just don't believe that. with the internet, the way isis is using social media to radicalize muslims in this country is very, very scary. >> i think the reluctance to root out this evil is based on a

fear of their own making, which is islamophobia. the fbi is willfully obliging, essentially they have us by the throat with our own political correctness. but could i interest the why the media missed this? and i include fox news on this, we didn't talk about it i think until yesterday, and it would have been nice if we had done one less sharpton story and one more of this brendan story. so the most important thing i'm going to say today, why do we focus on issues like race, ray rice, trayvon, ferguson while we ignore the radical islamic threat? because these others speak to a greater evil in which the media can indict all of us on. the media has been trained to degrade america has flawed. if you're at war with radical

islam, then you cannot be at war with yourself, that's why the media shies away from this because it doesn't follow their aationations because it -- >> what's been sickening to me, is since ferguson, people who do speak out against radical islam, the media would quicker target me or somebody on the media network for targeting radical islam. >> up until today, the obama administration has refused to say war when speaking about radical slaucislam. what greg is pointing out, though, why the reluctance? why has this not been a bigger story?

>> you mentioneds the fbi -- extremism from right wing groups and possible threats. avenue the tsarnaev brothers successfully carried out their terrorist attack on the boston marathon, that story, we have forgotten about that, thes assa shooting at ft. hood. but when you add all these things up, i really credit this radio host for bringing it up to our attention and it's something we need to be very clear about. >> do you disagree when you see a straight a student being murder over islamic jihad? >> that conclusion is being drawn by a radio talk show host. but there were two other people involved in that murder. >> he admitted it.

>> he also killed two gay men, and he's charged with a hate crime for that as well. >> i fail to see why people, when you suggest that it's meeting to shy away from. this man was an islamic terrorist who was out there to kill americans. the fbi or somebody else would have said something about it. >> you -- i don't get, what did you say? >> what i'm saying is that you had three people in the car who killed this guy. this guy, this is the main murder. the other two guys did not claim they had anything to do with islamic terrorism. and then he killed gay guys before. this guy sounds like more of a -- >> that sounds like that's the problem, that's the threat, that's the fact that they had that young woman from colorado who was signing up for the idea to go to syria to fight with isis. it's that desire, as greg would say, to be cool, which is not

cool when it drags you into evil. and it's quite possible that the other two weren't quite radical islamists yet. >> how would you classify this as a hate crime? he's an radical realist, he's killing an innocent teenager because of jihad. >> why can't you take evil at their word. when evil tells you they're evil -- >> i think he's evil, but to suggest that this was a planned home celled guy -- >> terrorist group. he was -- he was investigated by the fbi. the fbi let this guy go. >> and this is the danger of radical islam because you don't have to be part of the cell that you were just talking about to conduct acts of jihad. and the problem with calling it a hate trial is that then you treat it as a law enforcement issue, like somebody's robbing a bank. i think you're diminishing the threats of jihad which is based

on a religious purpose. which is hate, but it's very different. i do not think you can equate the two. >> also because he's trying to make an excuse for himself. so now he's busted by the cops, so he will hope that islamophobia will protect him in the prosecution. >> when you use that word, i get money, because i came up with it. >> so let's talk about this a little bit. bill maher had some comments that may surprise you. here's what he had too say, this may surprise you, watch. it's loading, they tell me. >> no, he said they're loaded. >> it is friday. >> white shot. >> well, anyway -- >> what bill maher said. >> let's pretend he said something. >> shall i read it? >> here we go. >> there is a connecting tissue -- >> behind every muslim is the future of some radical --

>> let me finish. >> i thought i was doing that. >> there are ill liberal beliefs that are held by vast numbers of people. >> a number of christians too. >> that's not true. not true. vast numbers of christians do not believe that if you leave the christian religion, you should be killed for it. vast numbers of christians do not treat women as second-class citizens. vast numbers of christians do not believe if you draw a picture of jesus christ you should get killed for it. >> bill maher has always been pretty vocal about this. atheists have been pretty strong on radical islam because they read up on religion and they hate religion. and radical islam provides them with so much evidence for hating them that he -- you know, he's right about the distinction and rose is not.

>> and a surprising defense of christianity. >> it's also obvious. i take second to none as attacking the muslims. i have been doing this for months and months and months now. i don't want to -- >> make sure you say radical orb else. it's also fair to say i have received a lot more threats about this. we have all kept silent, for political correctness or whatever. no other religions i know of punisheds people by killing them thachlt are a religion that at least gives a basis for somebody if they want to hate to hate. >> some religions have been there before, but on this bell curve, this evolution, we were there once and we got out of it. and we keep thinking maybe they

can domesticate this part of their religion. we keep hoping. >> can they? >> i don't think so. i think this has been going on a little too long. bill maher has been very outspoken about islam. it was bill maher who came out and said islam is the problem. but he said all religions, because he is an atheist, are a problem, but he said he went on to outline the problems with islam. it's a very different message than we see coming from the administration, which you hear is a shared history of tolerance between islam and christianity, trying to compare the two. what maher is right on target. as greg said, we spent how many weeks talking about ferguson? which was a tragedy. but how many weeks and hours did we obsess on cable news over that thing and you didn't even hear about the story about the boy in new jersey.

>> dana, your thoughts? >> i don't have too much to add to that, except for listening to bill maher, i think it reminded me of three basic tennants that i fry to think about in terms of christianity, which is forgiveness, grace and being nonjudgmental. those are three things that inform and drive christians for the most part. and in the muslim world, i do think there are some places where it is working fairly well. i'm not saying that there's not abuses in places like indonesia or the uae. but there certainly have been advances in some societies that are actually doing fairly well. one of the huge problems, eric, is on the economy. which is just in terms of countries that file patents for new innovations and exciting things, almost nothing out of the muslim world. and the problem of them being behind on the economic front has fueled haa lot of the hate and e

hopelessness that leads to terrorism. >> they're more fueled and turned down by the jihad than they are about inventing new products. >> 1.3 billion muslim in the world, and about 10% of them are radical, which is a very low number. 10% of that which is a low number that would probably kill for jihad. you're talking about 13 million radicals that would kill. >> the koran is a book that can be interpreted many different ways by many different people. there are those radicals that interpret what mohammad was supposed to have said that is so radical and so far out of the main stream that most muslims think. but the koran will give them some verification of what they do if you read it the way they read it. >> you said less judgment, that could almost be translated to

swung who is a muslim as being less religious, that the whole point of religion is to judge. achbltd they are -- >> christians don't judge each other, you leave the judgment up to the lord. >> they are judging you. they are judging you. but religion at its purist is about judgment and they look at you as an infidel to your own religion because you are -- if you're not judgmental, you're not religious. so in a way, the safer you are, is the furrther you get away frm your own -- >> may i just push back a little bit on that? the islam religion, they are by definition judgmental? >> however christianity will tell you. >> there are these commandments. >> christianity will tell you to forgive, judge and then forgive. >> next, more mixed signals from

the administration on whether or not we are at war with isis, we'll try to make sense of all that and later, it's facebook friday, yay. send us your questions at facebook.com/thefivefnc, we'll get to those.

welcome back to "the five." so are we at war with isis, if you ask secretary of state john kerry or national security advisor susan rice, they say this. >> if somebody wants to think about it as being a war with isil, they can do that, but the fact is, it's a major counter terrorism campaign. >> a major counter terrorism campaign. >> war on terrorism, is that something that's out of the lexon now of the u.s. government's comments on what's happening? >> certainly not how i would refer to our ut if you ask the

house or the pentagon, it's this. >> make no mistake we know we are at war with isil in the same way we continue to be at war with al qaeda and it's affiliates. >> america is at war with isil in the same way that we are at war with al qaeda and al qaeda affiliates all the way around the war. >> are we at war or are we not at war? and dandana, i'm going to go tou on this. a couple of weeks ago, he said that the administration was being deliberately confusing and sending out mixed messages on the threat of isis and whether or not we're at war and whether or not they are a threat to us here at home. you think there's a deliberate effort to confuse? so they can say well, we said it here, but we didn't say it here? >> i guess if it were the white house, i would try not to make it look so deliberate.

i would zoo this tonight at the white house. i would say forget your friday night plans. everybody in my office at 6:00 and we're going to have the same language. but that language has to come from the top. so the global war on terror, that language, it was strong, it was definitive and it was very clear. okay, we know what we're doing, we are at war, a global war on terror, this is a long war, we're not just going to do pin prick strikes against isil. it is clear to me that the speech that the president gave on wednesday night was definitely at least a week too early, it needed to bake in the oven for another temperatusevero they request get everybody on the same page. what the president did on wednesday was to try to stop the slide in the polls. i want to follow, i want to support, but you've got to give me something to hold on to it.

cannot be -- it actually has to be something that i can look at, understand and believe. i don't know what to believe, although i would tend to believe that the white house now settling on war, is that we should say, that that's what we're doing. >> president obama said we are not at war with islam, he said there was no war on terror. to dana's point, the commander in chief has sent mixed messages, so maybe that's why the administration can't get its story straight. >> if i was president obama i would employ a golf term and let others play through. this guy has created more vacuums than hoover, which is why we're in trouble now. this administration is more obsessed with words unanimous actions and that's because they're the product of a media academic complex. words always matter, symbolism always matter. it's not the action, talking heads and government hacks always say that they're war

weary, but it's the troops that say we signed on for this and the military's actually okay if they don't get it. did it everybody occur to them that the troops see this enemy, they actually see it and they're ready for it. and they're okay if president obama doesn't get it, they're okay. >> the next question is can we degrade and destroy isis without boots on the ground. our pentagon producer justin -- >> do military commanders actually believe that's sis -- without sending u.s. combat troops to the field? >> the short answer to your question is yes. we have been conducting air strikes now for a number of weeks. they have helped provide some space and support to iraqi security forces on the ground. we have been able to do these very effective and we know we're having a tactical effect on isil

and we have been able to do that without quote, unquote, combat boots on the ground. >> but some people aren't so sure, including former cia covert officer mike baker. >> air strikes alone are not going to cut it. somebody's got to get boots on the ground, apparently nobody is willing to do that. >> it appears that we have underestimated isis again. they estimate 12,000 to 15,000. the question is, with president obama's plan, can he decimate isis quicker than they're recruiting? can we do that? >> i hope so. i'm hoping that he, like i have said here 6 instead of 130 air strikes over 30 days, we should do 130 a day before we commit american boots on the ground. i would love to see saudi boots

on the ground, i would like to see turkish boots on the ground, the kurds and persshmerga. i'm not sure we'll ever -- my point is, push them back into syria. >> get too a point. they're not getting completely eradicate dated. but the other question about the war versus counter terrorism. to borrow an old phrase, what difference does it make? we would be doing nothing different militarily if we called it a war. >> there is a difference. >> we have a disagreement. i know we borrowed this from the last administration. >> you think that president would even somewhere given an address if there had not been two beheadings of american

journalists. >> probably not. >> what's going on today, what wars are going out are no different than whatever you want to call it. can we drive them back? i think yes, we can drive them back, we have a precedence for this, we have the balkans. >> look, we have to be honest about what's been happening on the left in the last couple of days. this increased alarm that oh, my gosh, the president of the united states, we believed was taking us out of war is actually taking us back into war. i also would just advice the white house and the administration, they have got to stop trying to win the news cycle. they need to think a little bit further ahead. so that's why they need to hire a paranoid right winger to sit in a basement of the west wing and to read these speeches, to look over the talking points. >> i'm available. >> just to let them know, this is the trap you are setting for yourself if you are not solid on what difference it makes between

war and counter terrorism. >> because it's like watching "saturday night live" when you watch them talk, they can't make sense of what they're saying. >> do you think it's going to change anything they're doing? >> it's sad, pathetic and it embarrass me. >> what do you say to the military, our young people are there, what do you think they would rooter hear, that we're at war with the people that are shooting back at them? >> i if you're not islamic and you're not a -- >> obama's like a tourist that unfolded a map in the rain and can't get it back. >> coming up on "the five" several women sporting ray rice's jersey with the number 27 last

strange pliace, to be the baltimore ravens versus the pittsburgh steelers. but the very rare story, and believe it or not, lots of women were proudly wearing his jersey. one of them even blames his wife for the abuse. >> i'm making a statement and, you know, i totally -- i don't believe in domestic violence. but i will say, any woman who can hit a man, a man shouldn't have to sit there and take the abuse. the abuse goes both ways. as a woman, she shouldn't have hit him. if i hit you, i would expect you to hit me back. that's just how that goes. >> glad you didn't ask me that questions. cbs anchor james brown said this before the game. >> let's be clear, this problem is brigger than football. >> whether jenae rice considers

herself a victim or not, many women in this country are. this is a call to men to stand up and take responsibility for their thoughts, their words, their deeds. and as deion says, to give help or to get help because our silence is deafening. >> how do you read -- there weren't just one of them, there were several of them. what do you think that's about. >> they're drunk, make, stupid or both. that's not something i would say, they're entitled to their opinion, they clearly love the baltimore ravens. the saying, don't hate the playgame, hate the player. i hope they don't have daughters because if they did, i would ask, would -- >> cbs actually played the whole thing for you. >> you know why they did that? because they had a hold of the film, because they initially had rihanna who was going to perform right before that game.

and they decided not to do that, which was a wise choice. ray rice admitted to punching his wife in the face in the elevator and these women are we'ring ray rice jerseys. there's absolutely no reason to do that. i don't care if you like ray rice or not, you don't defend a man who hits a woman, ever. >> it turns out, at least according to sources that ray rice did tell goodell in that meeting with him that in fact he did hilt his wife and he stillnded up with a moderate number of games suspended for. is goodell back on the hot seat in this? >> i think so. every single day they can't finding a resolution to this, they can't find a resolution until they know exactly what happened. they did know if rice told them and they only decided to take

action after the tape surfaced. it's no wonder that many people feel cynical about this whole situation. >> everyone officially weighed in on this issue. has the pope weighed in yet. have we got a psychic to channel joan rivers? because she might have something to say. in this lazy susan of issue wes go through, this is not the same story as the abuse that are given to women in other countries. >> in arabic countries, what isis has done. i wish james brown -- james brown shouldn't indict all men. that's idiotic, he's like the tsa that has to search everybody? no, you should be indicting the beaters. he doesn't indict all men. and interesting fact here, and this is a fact that the media will not talk about. we infect every story with race. wherever it is, it's race.

but not in this story, this is an interesting fact. black males experience intimate partner violence at a rate about 62% higher than of white males and about 22% higher than men in their races. that's from the department of justice, from interpartner violence 2007. but no one's going to talk about that because it's too hard. but the easier thing is to come out achkd yell about how awful it is. >> this is a really, really deep tease. i have the ap reporter who broke this story wide open. he's going to sit down with me, i'm going to ask him all these questions. >> all right, ahead on "the five." it's a big day for my pal greg gutnell. >> that's my name.

what is your favorite movie? >> "legally blond." >> to andrea, who is the craziest, scariest, most thrilling thing you have experienced. >> that i wish to share with america? >> yes, that you can say at 5:00 p.m. >> thrilling experience. >> that weekend with bob. >> yeah, lets just say that. the weekend with bob. >> you got pedicures together. >> and then we brush each other's hair and listen to whitney houston. >> if you had to be trapped on an elevator overnight with one of our co-hosts, which one would it be and why? >> that's a great question. >> i really can't answer that question. that's putting me in a trouble

spot. >> pick one. okay, andrea? >> why? >> because dana's not going to be around? >> that's that supposed to be mean? >> i don't want to answer this question, that's ridiculous. >> bob, you got another question from rita p. you have a brother that's conservative, what is he doing these days. >> he's still conservative. he's in one of those serious things, and he's doing well and he's continued to build his right wing base out there. and he wants to run for office someday. >> would you work on his campaign? >> never. >> he's a great actor. >> i love my brother. >> is it your contract that you don't have to wear a tie? >> no, it's not in the but i did come over here from cnbc and we sat down with roger ail and we

talked. before i left the office, i said what about this, what about this tie? he said, okay, no tie but only you. >> it's not in the contract but it's kind of understood. >> i have a no clause tie. >> have an all chaps contract. >> only letter. >> yes. >> i feel store for that red eye crew. eric, i also love the show tyrant, you are the only person i know who mentions it. what in particular do you like about it? >> because it atracks real life. they use a fictitious islamic country, and there's a struggle between is it going to be another dictator ship, or is it going to be another democracy. it's filmed in israel, if i'm not mistaken. but it's dramatic, it's good and it attracts real life. and greg, were you always good

looking or did you ever go through an ugly age? i don't think you did. you e-mail that question. >> check the e-mail. it's from greg.gov. happy feet.org. that's me. no, i used to be a fitness freak. i was like all ripped and stuff. and then i woke up. >> you were a gym rat? >> i was a gym rat. every night, three hours. >> did you oil up? >> i did two in the morning and one after. did you shave the chest? >> never shaved, i like hair. i'm a brillo pad. >> how did you celebrate your 21st birthday compared to how you will be celebrating today. >> i threw up in a bar called bertolli's in oakland. and after having five triple i was on my hands and knees and then i fell asleep on the sidewalk and was babbling

something. >> how is this different from your other birthdays? >> that's the beauty, nothing ever changes, except what comes out of my mouth. >> we have to have time. it's greg's birthday and he's going to tell you what it's like going to tell you what it's like if you're suffering from constipation or irregularity, powders may take days to work. for gentle overnight relief, try dulcolax laxative tablets. ducolax provides gentle overnight relief, unlike miralax that can take up to 3 days. dulcolax, for relief you can count on.

so 1964 was noted for its world's fair. it took place here in america, as an inspirational event for the hope that we held for the future and earth and all americans. then i was born. september 12, 1964. yep, today i'm 50. but i prefer to see myself as two 25-year-olds, twins, actually, muscular, interposing. that's how i describe myself on craigslist. do i have any advice about hits 50? pretend you're 60 for just one day, then you feel good when you go back to 50. we forged ahead and crushed doctrines that gave us mass

murders. today we are battling radical islam while the left reminds us and we struggle to keep our allies. but when we forge ahead and win, we have never been more alone on the world stage and we have never had a leader less interested in this battle. maybe it's too late. since '64, we subverted so much of our system, we are running out of a system to subvert. nowadays it's the right that's subversive. if we don't stop these cooks so bent on -- i'm not sure president jarrett would be displeased with. so is it great to be 50? yes, but it's better to be deadly. somber advice, bob. bob, any advice on enjoying this decade? >> yes, first of all, on behalf of my fellow members of "the five" and yours, i to be the first to present you with your afp card.

this is all the coupons you can use, you get kellogg's off, you get on the train. macy's. and listen to this, greg, here's the big deal, you get free dunkin' donuts with a purchase of a large or extra large doughnut. walgreens traveling busses and you get 50 cents off lunch every day at outback steakhouse. >> i like being hold. >> put that right in your pocket and it can carry you forever. you can be at motel 6s, check in early, they give you three-quarters for the bed and mood. >> how do you know that? i'm sorry, i didn't ask. >> so that's my advice. my advice is it's the best decade you can spend in the world. >> eric, you're closing in on 60 now. >> last year, bob gave me that stupid aarp card and i cut it in

half and threw it away. >> you know, that's a center fold now. >> stop saving that magazine. >> it's the american association of rad people. >> it really bothered me. >> it's weird, i don't like it. >> you're into this thing. >> i'm kind of done. i have seen it all. i'm finished. >> how do you feel today? >> i feel like i did what i wanted to do. >> are you kidding me? you've got like 12 books left in you, a great show. >> you don't know what he's trying to promote. >> i think you as an 18-year-old with 32 years experience and your pocket catheter i got you is right outside your office. there's a bow on it. >> back to the ad. that's a 50 right there. i didn't realize that. >> that's a 50 made of meat, because i don't eat sweets, but they can't take a wide shot.

>> i'll take everybody out for the early bird special. >> keep this in mind, my advice ask you can do one thing once better than you could ever do it six times before, it feels better. >> all right, one more thing's up next.

time for u one more thing. >> i hate presidents. but my manager eric web, who's a great friend of mine. he was my publisher at stuff magazine got me this. it's a refurbished old typewriter. i found it on my desk this morning when i went to work. look at this, this is smith corona. >> look at it, it has the price is right. >> it does work. that's a nice gift. i'm going to lose it at a bar tonight. >> so it's friday and so time for -- >> massive backlash on everything connected with domestic violence. this is the owner of the

carolina panthers. this is what he had to say wednesday. >> when it comes to domestic violence, my stance is not one of indifference. i stand firmly against domestic violence, plain and simple. >> mr. richardson's tears might be believable if mr. richardson didn't play his star player last week who was convicted of domestic violence, and if he plays him this sunday, which he said he's not going to play him. stop crying like a baby, bench your star and he's been convicted already. dinah, you're up. >> decidedly not the fool of the week, dirts bently who was in virginia last night. elbauer had a chance to get a picture of birks bentley.

drunk on a plane is the song. and they play tomorrow night. >> camp outside. all right, bobby, you're up. >> i can't do it. i can't. >> okay. >> okay. this morning, i had the honor of going to the ride to recovery, macy's sponsors it, it's a wonderful organization, they biked from boston down to new york city, it's for wounded veterans and they do a number of different races all across america. it's a wonderful, wonderful charity, and a special thanks to, and i'm in the back too in the helmet and my spandex. not really. thanks to spandex for sponsoring it. ride to recovery. that's it for us. but a quick programming note, our pal kennedy has a big special tonight on fox business, it's called the sharing economy, and it starts at 9:00 p.m. she spends the day as a lift driver. >> that's got to be hilarious.

>> and gets into a huge spat with, ready? anthony weiner. have a great uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu? >> monday night see -- welcome to "hannity." tonight for the entire hour i'm going to be joined by a distinguished and lively studio audience. we're going to be focusing on the fight against radical islam and what it means for the safety of our homeland. but before we bring in our guests, this week marked a big turning point, specifically when it comes to the isis terror network. now, the cia said today that the number of isis fighters could be as many as 31,500, which is three times previous estimates. now, after we watched the group ravage through iraq and syria attempting to create their caliphate and inflict mass genocide on minorities and