>> and gets into a huge spat with, ready? anthony weiner. have a great hello. i'm eric shaun. welcome to a brand-new hour for inside america's news headquarters. >> i'm arthel neville. mixed messages from the obama administration as it struggles over what to call their strategy to defeat isis terrorists. and security forces in one country throe thwart what they call an attempted terrorist. this less than one week after the u.s. embassy warned americans they were in imminent danger. plus, a massive search underway for those responsible for an ambush outside a police barracks that left one trooper dead and another fighting for his life. we'll have the latest in a live

report. we begin with a fox news alert. apparent conflict in the obama administration over how to characterize its military strategy against isis. the white house and pentagon now declaring that we are, quote, at war with isis, just one day after secretary of state john kerry called any military action a, quote, major counterterrorism operation, believing the word, war, he said, is the wrong terminology. meanwhile, the terror group currentsly controls an area the size of maryland in iraq and syria, committing untold atrocities and displacing millions of people. molly henneberg is live in washington with the latest. molly? >> reporter: today president obama did not call it war, but said the u.s. and its allies need a, quote, targeted relentless counterterrorism campaign against isis or isil. the islamic terrorist group.

>> american military power is unmatched, but this can't be america's fight alone. the best way to defeat a group like isil incident by sending large numbers of american combat forces to wage a ground war in the heart of the middle east. that wouldn't serve our interests. in fact, it would only risk fuel be extremism even more. >> reporter: that lines up with what secretary of state john kerry said earlier this week, that the battle against isis is a, quote, very significant counterterrorism operation. he was in egypt working on a coalition to help fight isis. president obama said a campaign of air strikes against isis will go forward and that the u.s. is prepared to take action inside syria as well. some republicans are pointing out that the obama administration may have a difficult time getting allies on board, especially if the definition of what america is doing seems muddled. >> right now with the u.s., our word is dirt. everybody knows it.

whatever we say, nobody believes we're going to stand by it. we've got groups like the saudis and others in the middle east that ought to be willing to put their boots on the ground. if they're not willing to, then we need to say to them, okay. then we will not lift one finger when you get overrun. just be prepared. you're on your own. >> reporter: the c.i.a. estimates that the number of isis fighters has more than doubled this summer. arthel? >> molly henneberg, thank you so much. and we have another fox news alert. police in uganda say they have foiled an attempted terrorist attack in the capitol city of kampala. officials arrest o'clock several suspects and recovering explosive materials. police say the attack appeared to be organized by the somali group al-shabab, which was responsible for the deadly shopping center attack in nairobi last year. americans in uganda are being told to keep safe and until they

hear all clear, coming less than one week after officials warned the terror group may try to exact revenge for an air strike that killed its leader. back now to the war against the radical islamic terrorists of isis. secretary of state john kerry has been making some headway in assembling the u.s.-led coalition which now stands at 40 countries, including ten arab nations this week. will it be enough? retired brigadier general joins us now, and also author. general, how do we win? >> great to be here. i'll tell you, we are at war. we've been at war for the last 30 years. beirut bombing of the marine barracks, the u.s. embassy in beirut uss cole, the tanzania and kenyan embassies, up through 9-11. we are at war.

we've been at war and the way we win this is through synchronized operation of air power and special forces on the ground. it's hard. we tried it in kosovo. we tried in desert shield. we tried it in the early stages of enduring freedom. and you've got to have good intelligence and you've got to bring american and other allied forces to bear. but it's sort of like playing chess on a three-dimensional board. you got three warring factions in syria, three warring factions in iraq and you got allies that don't act like allies sometimes, like turkey, allowing the oil to come in. isis is making 3 million a day off oil that is on the black market and cutting the turkish oil prices in half. so we've got to leverage every element of our economic diplomatic military power to win this war against islamic extremism. >> absolutely right. but talking about who we can

rely on? you got the iraqi army, kurds and the free syrian army. they're talking about training maybe 5,000 syrian rebels to face isis. will that be enough? do you think those three groups can be relied on on the ground so that u.s. troops aren't? >> i think what weigh saw in kosovo -- this is very similar but far more kinetic -- is that once you've got insurgents on the ground mixing it up with the serbs in kosovo, they started talking more, we're able to listen to more communication. we're able to identify commanders. same thing happened in afghanistan. we became much more effective in our targeting when we had boots on the ground. so you've got to have some kind of boots on the ground. >> could that mean special forces? we're not talking about a massive numbers of combat troops, but how about special forces like those that got osama bin laden? >> right. general lawson a great american war fighter, central command, he

has recommended special forces on the ground and i would hope that's something we're doing and just not talking about and certainly get not guilty there to vector in our aircraft to be more accurate, to do everything like has happened by killing the mortar team at the mosul dam. >> if you want to cut off their money, why don't we blow up those oil tankers? tell the drivers get out. we send in a hell fire right now. >> that would be a good step because what isis is trying to do is become an islamic state. so they are trying to have the means of being a state. they want the mowsle dam so they can control water. they want oil fields. they have oil fields in eastern syria now, pull not guilty about 1.5 million a day in oil sales. and so they are trying to develop the means to become a state and we need to leverage our elements of power to prevent

that from happening. and certainly blowing up oil tankers coming out of iraq and heading to syria would be a good way to a, dissuade drivers from driving those tankers and b, cut off that source of fuel. and revenue. >> finally, what about you mentioned our ally and arab allies. they're the ones that immediately are most in danger. you've got saudi arabia. we give them $86 billion over the past number of years. they have 233,000 troops. egypt, $1.6 billion in military aid. hundreds of thousands of troops. jordan, 100,000 troops themselves. why can't they amos boots on the ground and step up do more than saudi arabia and saying we're going to give you a business to train people? >> that's great question, because when you look back to desert shield, desert storm, when saudi arabia and kwaiti oil fields were threatened, you had a very large constitution of arab nations, western nations

and very much the same thing is happening here. where is that diplomacy? where is that coalition? >> you think they'll actually put the money where their mouth is and actually -- >> i think it depends on how convincing we are and how persuasive we are. it does not help that we say that the ensee not a muslim enemy. we've got to understand who this enemy is. we've got to call it what it is. we've got to identify one of the worst mistakes you can make when fighting a war is to misidentify your enemy and underestimate your enemy and so far we're not doing so great on either of those counts. so we've got to make the sales pitch to our allies that this is a grave threat. it really is to our nation and to the region and in the future, could very much destabilize further the arab region and into europe for sure. >> yeah. you're talking about radical islamic jihad.

that's certainly threatening them. general, we thank you so much for joining us this evening here on the fox news channel. >> thank you. >> you can catch fox news sunday to me. john roberts will sit down with senator lindsey graham, senator jack reed. they will detail what we can do to try and stop and defeat the isis threat. that's tomorrow morning, 2:00 o'clock at 6:00 p.m. right here on the fox news channel. more problems now for the nfl. the league now dealing with another abuse scandal after a minnesota vikings star runningback adrian peterson is booked on child abuse charges. police say peterson used a branch to spank his son. it's coming days after the league had one of his most highly criticized weeks ever when graphic video surfaced of ray rice hitting his then fiance and then dragging her out of the elevator.

dominic denatale with the latest. >> reporter: hey there. yes, if that wasn't uncomfortable viewing enough, those images that we've seen today of the wounds to the boy's back, legs and ankles showing the cuts and bruises apparently relating from the beating the boy received in may is making it all the more worse for the nfl. the district attorney saying the indictment against peterson is a statute felony, punishable by up to two years in jail and up to a $10,000 fine. >> there is a defense to injury to a child and that is reasonable discipline. obviously parents are entitled to discipline their children as they see fit, except for when that discipline exceeds what the community would say is reasonable. >> peterson was released on a $15,000 bond. the statement from his attorney tried to explain his actions thus, saying, quote, peterson used the same kind of discipline

with his child that he experienced as a child growing up in east texas. adrian never intended to harm his son and deeply regrets the unintentional injury. this creates fresh pressure on the nfl commissioner roger goodell. there has been scathing criticism of his hal handling of the ray rice video. there are two other notable players in the violent behavior cross hairs. hard entry ray mcdonald. they're going to be subjected to the new regulations, but it does look like the nfl will review the peterson case before passing judgment there. arthel? >> okay. dominic, thanks. the foreign policy crisis and the exploding threat of isis that really hit president obama's poll rating, what will happen if american troops expand

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troopers last night. there is a manhunt underway. one trooper was killed in that ambush. the other wounded. he is now in critical but stable condition. top officials in the obama administration apparently a bit at odds over what to call the u.s. military strategy against isis. white house and pentagon officials say that the u.s. is, quote, at war with isis. but that came just one day after secretary of state john kerry stressed the word war was the, he said, wrong terminology and says it is a massive counters terrorism operation. united states embassy in uganda is urging americans in that country to stay indoors. this after officials there say they uncovered an imminent terrorist plot from the somali group al-shabab. a new fox news poll finds more americans are dissatisfied with president obama's handling of foreign affairs. 57% of those surveyed say the president is weak and indecisive on foreign policy. that number jumping nearly 10%

from a year ago. this coming just two months ahead of the crucial midterm election. joining me now for a fair and balanced debate, radio talk show host and fox news contributor, tammy bruce is here. strategist jessica tarlof. jessica is a senior political strategist at schoen consulting. thank you for being here. >> thank you for being here. >> so we know that politicians, both sides of the aisle, they're kind of steering clear, not kind of, they're steering clear of going on the record regarding the isis crisis. this growing threat is going -- they're trying to wait to talk about this glowing threat, if you will, until after the mid terms. but that was before, tammy, before the killings of two american journalists, before the announcement of extended u.s. military involvement. that was then. so could the foreign policy sort of hands off backfire either party in mid terms?

>> i think this general sense that nobody wants to take a position is not going well with the american people. we elect representatives to take a stand, especially in these kinds of situations. i can tell you twitter is reporting now that a british hostage has been murdered by isis. that's true yet to be confirmed. >> we can't confirm that here on fox news, for the record. >> i know that. i know that's not confirmed. but in the sense of what americans are seeing and what the world is seeing, that there is an issue when it comes to the stability of the american politician base, whether it's not just the, who but congress as well and both parties. no one seems to be gelling with each other. you have contradictory statements in the obama administration, as well as in congress. so i think that's what the american people are responding to. it's not going over well in general. >> let me get jessica in here. so with an all-time low approval rating what, could president obama do in the next 50 days to

help those vulnerable dems, keeping in mine -- mind that wage ago war should not be decided by the number of votes needed. >> people don't get confused about an election and a war. but i think that what obama can do is much of what he has been doing. i'm not going to say we don't have a strategy. a few days ago was a good move, but he came out strong wednesday night with a plan. there is still some questions. we need to know how we can control the free syrian army if we arm them, we need to know who our allies are in the region. other issues that are still at large, but generally the president is moving towards decisive action. we do know what's going to happen in the next little bit. i think that's something actually to give them decent praise for. >> tammy, in the vein of all politics are local, are voters laser focused on foreign policy as the media are and those inside the beltway? >> they are. but in a different way.

for the politician as we've discussed, they're worrying about their jobs. they don't want to take a vote because of what that means. what they believe it means to the people back at home because they think it might not please the people back at home. but the people back at home are the ones who supply our troops. it's our families that are in uniform. it's what used to be known as the soccer moms are the national security moms, or the wal-mart moms who realize that the washington maybe wants it to seem esew tarrant county really comes -- esoteric because there are empty chairs at the table because of deaths in previous wars. they know this affects them personally. we've shown in the past and we're showing now that we are aware of what's going on and when you've got a wobbly political class, we don't like it because it's our families that end up being put in danger. but we do want to take action. arthel, as you know, that's a major shift from the difference between not want to wanting to o

anything and then the videos showing the barbarity of eye circumstances we want action, we want to take care of it because we don't want another september 11. >> jessica, before i proceed with my next question, why don't you comment on what tammy laid out. >> i agree completely with what she laid out. it kind of begs the question whether congress should be going home right now to be campaigning. there is a lot to be handled in washington, not just this impending fight with isil, buttishes like immigration which are important to the american public. there is broad consensus that we want immigration reform. why shouldn't we still be debate being that and matters like that? going back for campaigning, it's just another recess. i think that misses the point that we elect legislators to do work. i think the american public would respond very well if congress said we're going to forego campaigning for a little while and we're going to get to work in washington. >> god forbid, right?

>> exactly. >> jessica, keeping with you now, that wasn't to you, jessica to what you say. will the mid terms in essence be a referendum on president obama? will voters vote for or against the merit he was their local politician? >> i think it's a mixed bag. i think that at the end of the day, obamas numbers are really bad and that's going to be a drag on the democrats and there is no way around that. i think the republicans will most likely take the senate. but the numbers generally are low for everybody. it's not like obama is the only one in the toilet essentially. and i think that the president bears the brunt of the general mood and sentiment toward the entire administration. he's the figure head, like the ceo has to go with a company isn't performing well. people feel that way about the president. so i think that yeah, it's going to bring them down a little, but that doesn't necessarily mean we can't start the process of actually focusing on things that the american people want to talk about and focus on, which is

bipartisanship and compromise. we spend all this time looking at polls -- go ahead. >> if i could just interject there for one second. the problem the american people have is that obama has not talked to anybody. he has been isolated. he has not dealt with congress. and now it's about working together. well, it would be great, but the president of the united states is not engaging congress at all and he hasn't for a number of years. >> tammy, i've got to leave it there. i'm hitting a break. jessica, thanks to you both. and we will be right back. >> thank you copd? it can feel like this. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled... ...copd maintenance treatment... ...that helps open my airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have

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we have a sad fox news alert. it is war against radical islamic terrorism, another step has been taken by isis. new video that sadly has surfaced that purports to show the execution of another isis hostage. the third and that he is british aid worker david haynes. he was apparently murdered just like the previous journalists by

isis. haynes is 44 years old. he's a british citizen. the video appears to be similar to the two other videos that have already been released of those other beheadings and claims that the next british hostage alan henning, will be executed unless britain does not attack or take part in the coalition offense against isis. isis continues with their demands and continues, we are told, to purportedly kill, behead, execute a third innocent hostage. in this case, mr. haynes was an aid worker. you know what that means? that means he was there in that part of the country to help them. he leaves a comfortable home in britain, goes to try and help people in that area of the world, and he's gotten beheaded for it by these islamic extremists who are terrorists. retired general anthony tata joins us now. few moments ago we were talking about the fight against islamic terrorism. your thoughts now?

>> this is a real tragedy. married, two daughters back home in england and a great man who helped out muslims in libya, syria and down in sudan. when he was in libya, he was volunteering with handicapped children. this is a man with a heart of gold and he was helping the muslim community. this is the value that our enemy places on this kind of thing. so it is a very stark reminder that we are at war and that this enemy will stop at nothing and they value nothing that we hold dear. none of the liberties that we hold dear and we have to fight this enemy with everything that we have in an allied fashion so that we can crush this enemy and stop this kind of thing. what they're trying to do is

psychologically terrorize us with this and here we are helping the muslim community in africa or in the arabian peninsula and we get this in return. >> it's unbelievable. he was taken, captured when they shot the tires out of his car at the turkish border. his wife says that he's a fantastic man and father. nobody can understand how we are feeling. my daughter keeps asking about him every day. the family just like we saw previous families, pleading for his life. yet these barbarians do this? >> right. it's unbelievable. yet entirely believable because this is who the ensmear and we need to make sure as i said previously, we call the enemy who they are. these are islamist extremists. they want to build an islamic state. they will stop at nothing. they hold nothing dear. they have no values. they share no values with us. we need to take this fight to

the enchristmas eve crush them. >> i'm sure, general, that americans watching this are sharing your sentiment, feeling your passion and i want to bring up again that mr. haynes was taken hostage in syria in march of 2013 and the family of david haynes, they were pleading with the terror group to contact them so they could work out whatever negotiations as a family would, do whatever it takes to save their loved one. i want to ask you, moving forward with this horrible breaking news, yet another barbaric act by isis, allegedly, but they're taking responsibility for it and we -- so i ask you, how do we proceed from here? how does this change what it is that we may be planning? how more aggressive should we get? what sort cohesiveness do we need and how much support do we need from the international community to put a stop to this?

>> yeah. arthel, i think you're exactly right. we do need a coalition. we do need to maximize our intelligence operation. we need boots on the ground of some kind, whether it's allies, whether it's indigenous forces, whether it's special operations, whether it's all three, to get these people moving, to get them communicating so that we can find them and kill them and roll them back to where they came from and crush them into the ground because ultimately, they will stop at nothing. negotiating with these folks will do nothing. as the family found out. what they have is a hostage and the ultimate cowardly act is to kill somebody with his hands tied behind his back. that's what we're dealing with here. and so we need to leverage intelligence. we need to leverage economic power. we need to get allies diplomatically on our side. we need to leverage every bit of

military power that we have that we can bring to bear to crush this enemy. >> general, i want to pick up there where you talk about our allies and getting them on board and turkey has been one of those sort of questionable alie when is it comes to this fight here. according to reports, mr. haynes was traveling to the turkish border when the gunmen shot out his tires, they took him and an italian colleague hostage. you can't fight this thing without the support of the arab nation. ultimately isis is taking out, pardon the expression, they're killing more muslims than other foreigners. >> well, they're killing more muslims and they're killing the people that are helping the muslims. and that's the point that i think diplomatically we need to emphasize. it's a very simple point to make that to rally the muslim nations, to rally the arabian

peninsula, to fight this evil that has infested their land. this is not who the majority of the muslim people are and so we need to rally those people and energize them to crush this cancer that is spreading throughout the arabian peninsula. >> you mentioned that and we talked about the arab nations, the ten nations in the coalition at the earlier part our newscast. just last week the head of the arab league said it's time for the arab world to rise up and do something about this radical islamic extremism. not so tore it. -- not to support it. there are our supposed allies that have been helping this. turkey, as you mentioned and those oil trucks, allowing that black market oil which basically nets isis 1 or $2 million a day from those oil fields. why hasn't the world and why haven't those arab nations stood up before this as we see one after the another after the other of these poor innocent

hostages and this latest one, who was delivering aid in a refugee camp, trying to help them, why isn't the arab world stood up and said, enough. you're the enemy. we're going to stop this? >> well. >> frankly, i think there is no leadership in the arab world and as we don't identify the enemy properly, then there is nothing to latch on to. so we need to very clearly identify that this is islamist extremism, that there is the drive to build an islamic nation, islamic state, and we need -- >> president obama said not islamic and it's not a state. >> well, i disagree. it's pretty clear that these are islamic extremists. you go back to the beirut bombings 30 years ago all the way up through the litany of things i mentioned in the previous segment, the uss cole, the world trade center one,

world trade center two, pennsylvania, pentagon, tanzania, kenya, those have all been perpetrated by muslims against western interests. there has been a long war, long-standing war, hot war against muslim islam extremism. so to say that this is not islam is just ludicrous. >> not to lend credence to what they have to say, but die have a report here that the executioner is saying to prime minister david cameron, if you, cameron, persist in fighting the islamic state, then you, like your master obama will have the blood of your people on your hands. i mean, you can't go tit for tat with these guys. they're irrational, out of their minds, but definitely serious, they're definitely dangerous. >> well, what i found in fighting wars in afghanistan or wherever is that the enemy of our nation really understands

media, social media, how to communicate, how to psychologically terrorize and i believe that's what they're trying to do. this is a strategic action and it's a tragedy that this individual has killed -- mr. haynes was killed and it's a tragedy to him, to his family, to his nation and to the western world because we have got to stop this kind of thing and we've got to leverage all of our elements of power to bear against our enemies and at the end of the day, if we don't, this will just continue and it's going to be death by 1,000 cuts. >> thank you so much. i would ask you if you could stick around for us. we're going to continue reporting on this. we appreciate your analysis. stick around for us. i think eric has more. >> come to think of it, james foley, steve sotloff and now david haynes, they're three men who sadly and tragically have given their lives when they were trying to inform, trying to give

information, and trying to help other people. now they have been executed. local hole has more on -- molly henneberg has more on this breaking story from washington. hello. >> reporter: hi. we've been contacting the white house, the pentagon, the state department for information on this video for some sort of comment. they are all referring to us the brits. they're saying this is a british issue. so clearly official washington not wanting to get ahead of this story or get ahead of the brits in react to go this story. but apparently this video is showing that there has been a third execution. the video apparently similar to the executions of foley and sotloff in that the victim speaks first with the executioner behind him. the executioner, people who have seen the video claim it appeared to be just by the voice, a london accent. it appears to be the same person in all three of these videos, showing these executions. as you were saying, arthel and eric, the executioner is very

critical of david cameron and president obama, but we believe this has been or we are look -- we are trying to confirm this video. so far official washington is staying quiet and referring us to the brits. >> this is the first british citizen who has been executed by isis after the two previous americans and that alleged executioner believed to be a british citizen, a rapper who, according to some reports, his father is actually here in new york standing trial. will be put on trial for being part, allegedly, of the terrorist attacks of al-qaeda that took down the embassies in africa back in 1998. so this continues tragically. i know you'll stay on it as this develops. >> okay. jonathan is with the defense of foreign democracies and joining us now live by phone.

if you could first, i need your reaction to this horrible and sad, tragic news we're reporting the beheading of 44-year-old david haynes who was there on a missionary assignment. >> well, unfortunately, it's no surprise to any of us who have been watching this and in my case working with the family of one of the victims. isis has in its cells right now still i think several other western prisoners and i would expect that we will see more of this. they continue to threaten. they're saying that they're using this for leverage to tell president obama not to conduct air strikes in isis-controlled territories. the president is not going to let the beheading of one or two or three people deter a national strategy. i think this is the right thing to do. i'm critical of the president's policies more broadly, but certainly you can't let this get

in the way. but certainly isis does not seem terribly concerned about how it looks as they behead one journalist or westerner. >> they certainly don't seem to be concerned. they seem to be determined and what do you think in terms of the strategy as it stands on the table? should this be accelerated in terms -- i understand how you shouldn't necessarily react and plan your strategy as the commander in chief of the united states of america. you shouldn't strategize your options based on these bar barrack acts as a direct reaction to it. however, considering what has taken place, how do you think that should affect what it is that president obama is planning moving forward, as well as the international allies? >> i think the more important question is how the brits are going to react. they have been ambivalent about getting involved in kinetic action with us. i think has been a frustration. i think perhaps this might

change their calculus. it will be interesting to see how david cameron and others react to this. but certainly i think it will hit home among many brits who still believe somehow this is not going to affect them. as for us, i think that our strategy needs to remain the same. we understand this is a barbaric , sociopathic organization that is conquering a swath of territory in the middle east. it's going to threaten our interests and our allies. i have a strong suspicion that eventually it's going to threaten us here at home. so there is an imperative now to begin to strike isis with increasings from per rossity and i think how long before the president starts to ramp things up? i think the case has been made for the last several weeks, if not months, that the time is now. >> okay. jonathan, thank you very much for joining us there on the phone. >> pleasure.

>> eric. catherine herridge joins us now from washington. in the sense, they are defiant by doing this. but in a way they only embolden the resistance and the opposition against them and not perhaps we'll see if there is more reaction from britain as being part of this coalition. what are your sources telling you about what has happened in this tragedy with mr. haynes? >> reporter: the u.s. intelligence community is clearly aware of this video and while it's not an american citizen, it's part of the same pattern that we've seen with the two previous executions. i've now seen the video myself and i'd like to go into some detail so people understand the substance of this message that's being presented by isis. it is a carbon copy of the previous two executions of the american citizens. it runs about a minute and 45 seconds. but there are some significant differences. unlike the two previous videos which began with a statement

pulled from the news of president obama, this one begins with a statement pulled from the british prime minister, david cameron. and then it says in type across the presentation, a message to america's allies. and then you see the hostage we believe to be david haynes. he appeared in the execution video of steven sotloff at the end, giving a statement, and i would emphasize to people this is clearly a statement that is being given under extreme duress. at the end of that statement, haynes, who is wearing an orange jump suit, is positioned next to the executioner and to my eye, does appear to be the same british national who we understand has been identified as a london native, the executioner. the execution takes place after a very similar statement from the executioner that we've heard

from previous videos. significantly he gives some specific references to news events. i believe this is the way to show that they are reacting to the events that are going on right now. the execution takes place and then there is evidence of the beheading -- the head is placed on the body. it's a horrific scene and then there is another hostage at the end with a warning that if the u.s. and its allies continue down this path, that this british national, he's identified as a british citizen -- will be the next execution. but clearly this is an organization, terrorist network which is following a somewhat predictable pattern. what i had heard from my

contacts privately in the last week or so was that there was an anticipation that if there was further statement or action, we had the president address this week, that there may well be another execution. this video that's now posted may be the evidence of that. >> isis seems to be so sophisticated in terms of the social media, the use of the media and twitter and facebook and getting these videos out. this suspected executioner from london who had been a rapper, musician and may have come from a family of accused terrorists, this sort of thing. very steeped in this islamic radical jihad, trying to use this to sway public opinion, but instead, obviously it appears to have done the opposite. only had the world try and defy isis even more and finally take action. what are your sources saying about what we can do to hunt that executioner down, drone him, like we have done with so many other terrorist leaders?

>> reporter: it's now been made clear through unidentified u.s. officials that part of this new campaign will be the targeting of the isis leadership in iraq and really that's code for syria because that is where they have their strongholds in a town called raqqa. the president this week said that the model will be the counterterrorism campaigns in yes, ma'amen and somalia. i would say based on my experience that that's really like comparing apples and oranges because in yemen we had a government that gave us at that sit approval -- tacit approval to carry out these strikes and there is no government to deal with in somalia. and we've been able to have quite strong intelligence for targeting. this may be somewhat more difficult for the united states and there may well be more collateral damage going down that road, but the president has made clear that this will be a

central component to the campaign. i just want to say about this propaganda, the images are very powerful, but my experience covering this now for 13 years, especially with the american cleric who was based in yemen, anwar al al-awlaki, they have sort of a big presence, but they're very little said angry people. i say that because they try to blow themselves up into an image which is much greater than they are. social media has really been a way to throw gasoline on the fire, if you will, of their message. but you must remember that they're a bunch of guys sitting in an apartment with a laptop computer putting this together. >> and sadly, the plotters of 9-11 were some guys sitting in an apartment in hamburg and they

were able to carry that out and i'm so glad you made that point. bagdadi was in u.s. custody at one point and handed over to the iraqis. he is the leader of isis and if there are air strikes in syria, he must be at the top of the list. as you said, there is other in must be in the top of the list and there is issues such as iran and russia warning that if we strike syria, that is a sign of aggression. susan esstrij is a joining us and a democratic pollster and susan, your sense about the tragic news about david hainesc. >> here we are facing a midterm and tragic new. these guys see such horror and

it is beyond politics and republican and democrat and all of us are united in believing it may be a bunch of guys with lap tops and sadly they can do a lot of the damage. politically what does it do? it puts pressure on barak obama and expected to govern as a domestic policy x. loved and hated on domestic policy now inherited a huge national security challenge. and he has to. and whether it is what he intended his legacy to be. but we american people are looking to him and the world is looking to him, and he's going to have to rise to the challenge of leadership in a complicated world in which we will not be able to declare victory.

>> and i want to pop up a still shot of the beheading of mr. david hainesc 44 years old. i want to bring christian whiten in the conversation. the news that we are reporting, i would like to know your reaction and then we'll get in specifics. two things, the isis is undaunted by what the west has put together and believing that they will have it is(ú execution of journalist and people who are not combatants and help those oppressed and displaced by war and murdering them will send a message that it might prevent the uk in this case from coming and involving itself in an a liiance against the isis and struck me again,

this is part of the sick maggant affect that is working that by showing they are undaunted and posting the gruesome images brings more jihaddist and they surmound al-qaeda as the leader of global jihad. >> first of all. this might prevent prime minister cameeron from getting involved in the fight against isis alongside the u.s.? >> it is too early to say. there is a precedent for this and trying to think what the terrorist are thinking? in the early days after 9/11, spain was strong with the united states and with our coalition with the idea of pushing back in afghanistan and iraq and a series of terrorist attacks in

spain switched the government from helping the u.s. and you have conservative and liberal and labor is a minority. and a possible scottish succession coming up, it is unclear. it is 50- 50. the terrorist do it because they want to make a political prop granda point. and one of the things they want to do is intimidate the british. >> kathryn herige pointed that you are talking about a small group of guys, sitting in their apartments with their lap tops, controlling the social media aspect of this and that is part of the propaganda and that is a used as a big recruitment.

prime minister came ron increased the security level. it is it that rekrautment tool that is valuable to isis and you have people with dual citizenship and come and go inside this country and the uk. how crucial is that? >> right, it is really been shocking, they have not only the gruesome murder of unarmed defenseless people trying to help or understand, and what isis is drawing in people and recently the cia released an estimate that 30,000 people are part of the army and making it larger than the size of the taliban after 9/11. but in addition to that purpose, there is also the internal security purpose for this. and that means the isis in the territory it controls. and the majority of sunni iraqis

it is a message they will not tolerate any defense. and part of president obama's strategy is motivating the sunnis and others under the geographic control of the isis and motivate them to resist them especially if they are motivated by the united states and britain and others. you see this in iraq and someone in syria, you know if you didn't already how much these people mean business. >> and does this galvanize the arabs to join the fight against isis? >> unfortunately, i don't think it will change much. because our would- be allies in the state. and smaller states like ba hrain and not qatar.

they are well aware of what these people are capable of and what they are looking for actually is a serious significant detailed plan andna is something they might get behind. there is cautious for them to jump on the plan in syria, because we are talking about small strikes and not strikes against ah sawed. there is a dependence on them coming together in baghdad which these people are skeptical of. and you saw one other problem and the ua- ambassador came out in the wall street journal in september 10th and pointed out. it is important to fight isis, but it is linked to other islamic groups it is linked with what is going on in libya and what we discussed going down in uganda and somalia and others.

and until there is a full government approach and realization we can't go. we can put a hellfire missile on top of the degenerate of the man who killed hainesc. but it would not change in the region. having that will not bring the gulf states. they are concerned that we are going in with a mel pel plan. christian white, thank you for joining us this evening. neric. >> we'll go to the brigadier general in afghanistan. now three men. david hainesc. and ste ven sotloff and james foley. they stood against the islamic jihad.

it is the challenge of our time, can we stop that? >> i think christian laid out the entire scenario well. the uganda operation is linked to alsha bab and somalia linked to what is happening in syria and iraq. and there is ideology of hatred of the west that is binding it together. we need it is important to identify our economy and we'll not make progress unless we properly identify the enemy and properly go after this enemy in a measured and a icalalated way. a previous commenter said it is

it a lap top. but it is 30,000 people in syria and ugoneda. >> i am sorry we are out of time. you are right. it is a global menace. >> and our report continues now. >> breaking news here on the fox report. i am julie bandaras. new video emerging that purportedly shoes isis terrorist executing british hostage david hains. >> what do we know? >> in the last few minutes, i have viewed the video and i would like to provide our viewers some details. but not all of them because it is so graphic. this video is a carbon copy of the previous two skewing videos that we have seen from isis,