years old today. >> happy birthday. hits close to home. >> certainly does. >> we'll see you in an hour. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> this is "outnumbered." sandra smith is back. today's hashtag one lucky guy, red eye regular, tom. he's back and he's outnumbered. >> don't you forget it. >> how does it feel? >> i thought we were cutting to like another info. i was relaxing. >> that was an intro for you. you do double duty in a barber shop quartet. a lot of people don't know this about you. >> it's going to ruin my reputation, right? or maybe this is going to ruin my reputation. i sing with jimmy fallon in a

barber shop quartet. >> i've seen it. >> i've seen it but don't know i'm in it. >> you wear your hair differently. >> we wear hats. >> you have a hat on. >> that's what you have to do in a barber shop quartet. >> you can sing. >> i do a lot of bass. >> overtime today. >> your skills are never ending. >> it's the gift that keeps on giving. >> all right. straight to news. administration appears to have a messaging problem on isis. this as the islamic extremists show no sign of letting up in the killing of westerners. this time releasing over the weekend a horrifying video showing the beheading of british aid worker and father of two, david haines. secretary of state john kerry backtracking on language he had used to describe the fight against isis. this is what the secretary said on thursday that stirred so much outrage. >> we're engaged in a major counterterrorism operation and it's going to be a long term

counterterrorism operation. i think war is the wrong terminology and analogy. i don't think people need to get into war fever on this. >> but after the white house and pentagon contradicted secretary kerry saying we are at war with isis, mr. kerry appears to have changed his tune. >> in terms of al qaeda, which we have used the word war with, yeah. we're at war with al qaeda and the affiliates and in the same context, if you want to use it, yes, we're at war with isil in that sense. but i think it's a waste of time to focus on that. frankly, let's consider what we have to do to degrade and defeat isil and that's what i'm, frank many, much more focused on. >> which one is it? >> in the meantime, critics of the administration like republican senator graham can't hide their frustration with the white house's handling of isis, especially when it comes to the president. ruling out ground troops. >> i am tired of hearing from

this administration how easy this is going to be when it's going to be hard and the consequences of losing, my friend, is that they survive our best shot. this is the last best chance to knock them out. they'll open the gates of hell to spill out on the word. this is not a sunni versus sunni problem. this is isil versus mankind. >> all weekend long the debate back and forth and then we have the beheading of the british aid worker over the weekend that's just another heartbreaking development in all of this. but john kerry all over the map on the language. this white house cannot seem to get the language straight and john kerry insisting this isn't war. this is a major counterterrorism operation. do you think the words do matter at this point? >> i do. he actually said that -- john kerry said on cbs that he believes it's a tortured debate over what we're calling this or not calling this. he said that's not what counts. it's what we're going to get done to be isil that matters the most. isn't that the problem?

we don't know what's going to get done. we don't know the actions that this administration is going to take because the messaging is so mixed right now. i was actually talking to fox news security analyst and she said, do you know what? these don't matter. she disagreed with me. she said these are just words. it's actions that matter the most right now. why are we so afraid to talk tough? here is the threat that isis poses and here is how we plan to combat them. what is the -- why are we all so scared? >> seems to me the politics of all of this is driving it. the president said he would end wars, not start them. he doesn't want to go on record saying we're at war. he also said there's no such thing as a war on terrorism in 2013 but i think words do matter because when you're trying to build the coalition of arab states to join you, they're looking and listening to your words. if you're saying, well, we don't know what this is, why would they commit to join us? >> but the president has said some words that would matter to those other states that would maybe join us, the muslim world, that would maybe join us.

he said during his speech last wednesday night, this is not about islam. this is not about religion. he is using some words to try to build that wider coalition within the arab world. he's not using, however, consistent words within his own administration. rear admiral kirby said absolutely we're at war with isis just as we were with al qaeda which was also not a state. they don't have to be a state for us to be at war with them. so i think the context here isn't just that the words aren't being spoken outside the administration. i'm curious about those words that are being tossed around within. is that indicative of maybe indecision on the part of this administration? will that cost us in the long run? >> it's arguably worse. >> the war of words may be the first light at the end of the tunnel. what does that mean? that's a signal that the train is coming that somebody told us. >> it is costing us. front page today, "new york times," "usa today" said that many arab nations are saying, all right. we'll help you but no ground

troops and that was one of the big things that we had come out and said, no boots on the ground. president ruled that out. not our boots on the ground. whose boots are they going to be if the arab countries are saying we might financially contribute but no boots on the ground? >> they know maybe this administration isn't really serious about it but i think that -- i'm with k.t. mc farland. he ran on words. he was going to be the peace president and we gave him the nobel peace prize. we didn't give it to him but he got it just for showing up. as long as he can keep this -- you know, if he can talk peace and he can avoid the word "war" and then take the actions, i think a lot of actions i agree with. you know, he ran so much against the bush administration and then he continued so much of the policies. i was happy he did. >> he got the president. he got the national security briefing. >> doesn't he realize, though, that if the white house and the pentagon are saying one thing

and the state department is saying something else, doesn't he realize that that not only does it confuse the american public but isis and terrorists and leaders of those atrocities are hearing that? and what they see is an america that looks totally confused. doesn't know what it's doing, doesn't feel comfortable coming out and saying, yes, this is a war, yes, we're going to get in there and yes, i think you hit the nail on the head. this is all political. this president is very afraid of the notion that the united states will have combat troops on the ground, that he will go against his campaign promises and that's more valuable to him than winning this fight. >> i don't know. whatever -- i just think people need to be on the same page. if they're not going to be on the same page, are you suggesting they just don't talk and inform the american people? >> i think they need to be on the same page. i think it's their responsibility to get in a room -- there's no reason why the state department, the white house and the pentagon cannot be on the same page when you're talking about whether we're involved in a war with isis and terrorism. i don't understand why that's a problem there. >> we have this revelation last

week that isis is far greater than the administration estimated. it's just whether or not we're at war. look at the angles we've covered with this murderous cult, isis. administration has told us they're a threat to the homeland. wait. they're not a threat to the homeland. they're small in size, no. who is doing this? >> can i offer this from the c.i.a.? we thought there were about 10,000 of these guys. now 31,500 which would put them, by the way, at about the same size the taliban were when we were fighting the 2001 force. my goodness gracious. if they're not imminent, i don't know what is if they can grow that quickly. you know, i think it's really interesting that we're at a point now, we're all talking about the words that you are being said. do we anticipate that there's a possibility that we can wake up and while we're all talking about the words, they might take

out somebody like osama bin laden? i mean, that's the only hope, really, in the background of my mind. i'm thinking, maybe they've got us all talking amongst ourselves while action is being taken. >> but we're not going to put boots on the ground, tom, and we're expected to build an international coalition to help us, right? i don't know if the british are going to change their mind but up to this point, david cameron sdpt seem to have the appetite or the will. our european allies are not jumping in to help us. when i look at what we said we're going to do, the president said we're going to arm the rebels in syria, i have deep, deep worry about arming these rebels and the president said their pharmacists, doctors a couple of weeks ago, i agreed with him a couple of weeks ago. i think he was right. if we arm the rebels, i think we're not going to like the outcome. they're going to get into enemy hands and asad is not a good guy. i think we've better thanked a bridge there. he's a murderous dictator but i think that asad is better than isis. >> i don't think the words

matter. europe is going to help us or not and it doesn't matter. the words don't matter. i think -- i was talking to eric on the five of us. he said we have to get the help of turkey. when has turkey helped us? since the first gulf war. so i don't think that words matter. they have their plan. they don't -- you know, no one wants to put their boots on the ground. so i don't know what you can do to -- >> what do you say to a leader like senator rand paul who steps into this and he says that even his perception on this, his perspective is changing because isis is growing? but i said ultimately, the only ones who can declare war against anybody is congress. >> i've sat here and had many conversations about experience on the ground and he did do this. talk about stifling them financially. going after the oil fields they're securing. they're spreading quickly and that there are -- >> $3 million a day they're making on the oil. >> that makes them stronger and stronger. why want talk about the money

angle? why not talk about how we're going to impact that bottom line? those dollars that are coming through the door and empowering them every single day. >> $3 million a day based on stolen oil, those are figures that we're learning today, they can literally buy and train anybody they want to on the planet. >> as they are. meanwhile, we have an open border. president has not shown any will on the keystone pipeline to develop oil online but i think he needs to go to congress. he has to for that $500 million piece to get them to authorize this but i also think that when conservatives and republicans say he doesn't need congress, he has the authority, i think that's a bit hypocritical. how can they demand and scream but then when it comes to war, all of a sudden the republican party doesn't need the president to fall the constitution? republicans have to be consistent. >> i think they have to be consistent and that's why i think rand paul is saying that. i think he's saying you need to go to congress not only because you want the support of the nation, you want to show it's

republicans, democrats, the president, congress, we're together on this mission. republicans have made a lot of beef about that, about the president not doing that. for them to say it doesn't matter on this issue i think is completely inconsistent and will hurt them in the long run. >> not to mention the fact that kerry and president obama have both said this is 36 months at least it's going to take us. that means it's long past president obama at that point >> sure. >> many congressional leaders may still well be in office. so it falls on them. >> sure does. >> and presidential candidates to weigh in as well. breaking news in the adrian peterson child abuse case. we'll bring that to you and talk more nfl controversy up next. an eighth grader forced to change they are clothes after wearing a virginity rocks t-shirt to class. story is very interesting. vice principal claiming it would be a distraction. we'll debate whether that was really fair. right after the show, catch more from this couch on the west. join us by logging on to fox news.com/outnumbered and click on the tab. tweet us your questions,

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tell you about. minnesota vikings are just announced adrian peterson is expected to play on this coming sunday despite his indictment on felony child abuse charges for an incident in which he allegedly whipped his 4-year-old son with what he calls a switch. his lawyer says peterson, quote, used the same kind of discipline with his son that he experienced as a child growing up in east texas. charles barkley also came to peterson's defense. watch. >> we spank kids in the south. i think the question about did adrian peterson go overboard but we all grew up in different environments. every neighbor in my neighborhood in the south would be in trouble or in jail under those circumstances. >> my thing is i don't want to tell anybody how to raise their kids and i don't want anybody telling me how to raise my kid. let's make a distinction between child rearing and child abuse. that was child abuse. no fine line here. >> i think i've had many welts on my legs. >> welts like that?

>> oh, yeah. i got beat with switches and i -- i don't like the term. when the media talks about it and somebody says something on television, beating your child, listen. >> that's what that was, though. you saw the pictures. >> we called it spanking or whipping our kids. >> i'll tell you, a lot of backlash today for charles barkley. i want to get this in. corporal punishment is not itself abusive under the law according to the statement from the texas attorney general. physical discipline like spanking would only become abusive if observable and material impairment occurs as a result and we have the pictures. you can clearly see this child was scarred from that. you worked in the school system. you were a dean in the high school. i'm sure you've come across different conversations with parents about discipline. what are your first thoughts with this? >> to me personally it's disgraceful if you look at the pictures and see. it looks like that kid was just

horrifically hurt. with that being said, a lot of parents have differing opinions about this. not just in school. look in twitter. oftentimes when the stories come up, a lot of people will say, look. i was spanked when i was young and it didn't hurt me. my mom used to run around and chase me and i grew up just fine. i think there's a distinction, though, between spanking and child abuse. and it's the responsibility of people to look at photos. we're talking about a 4-year-old here and be able to let law enforcement and our own eyes and common sense make that distinction. there's a difference between a mom giving a child a pat on the behind and this. >> it's child discipline versus child abuse. not spanking versus abuse. there can be -- spanking can be a form of abuse in some cases. >> true. when it's spoken about in the school system and among parents, that's how i hear it. spanking like it's no big deal. >> to me what this news tells us, adrian peterson will likely

play in new orleans this weekend is that the nfl, which is the bigger story here, is giving him a second chance. >> you know, i want to say this. corporal punishment is allowed in schools in 19 states, including texas. and again, according to the attorney general in the state of texas. what sandra is talking about, though, is true. and chris carter went on record, you know, also from the nfl, went on record this weekend saying, any kind of spanking and he also shares this history with charles barkley of having been beaten as a child by things that grow on trees. >> this is out of control. if you look at the pictures, this is more than just spankings i got as a child. this seems excessive. this is the predicament, though. owners have said we want to let the legal process play out. that would make sense in normal circumstances. look at the ray rice issue. sometimes the course doesn't get it right. i understand what the owners are saying. let's let the courts decide.

but the nfl has such a problem and i think honestly, harris, is it too much to ask these players don't get arrested? i know that they've covered up for a long time the behavior of players in college and beyond. we saw what happened at penn state. but we all work in the tv intis. we don't get arrested during the weekends. don't we have a duty to avoid the appearance of impropriety? don't get arrested and you won't have to worry about it. >> i want to watch the sount bite with chris carter and then wheel continue the conversation. >> this is the 21st century. my mom was wrong. she did the best she could but she was wrong about some of that stuff she taught me. and i promised my kids, i won't teach that mess to them. you can't beat a kid to make them do what they want to do. >> that's correct. >> so what he's talking about is an evolutionary process. he's saying, look. this existed. and you know, you see this according to these men, chris carter and charles barkley, breaking long racial lines. that's not true.

corporal punishment, that may not be a spanking thing. some of us have the experience of using the word switch but not also along black and white lines. >> switch sounds old fashioned any way. any time anyone starts with i'm from the south. in the latter part of the sentence, somebody is going to get hurt. i don't know why that is. >> there are cultural differences in this country. i'm not agreeing with anything. >> chris carter is right. each generation, you know, you can't just say that's what my parents did. each generation does get more gentle. the family is frightened of that man standing next to them, the dad. >> where does the nfl go? >> it is every generation, you know, the standards for what -- you know, they talk about a fine line. each generation, the line does move. children were routinely beaten a

hundred years ago but there's no longer. chris carter is right. >> where does the nfl go at this point? are they going to sort of bench everybody that comes along that has any talk about violence in their history? and then on the flip, all of a sudden, make the decision to put them back on the field? >> if i could chime in and respond to andrea saying why can't these guys just stop getting arrested and doing the illegal things -- >> is it that hard? >> i think that i have something -- i don't know that this is a culture that's different from media. i don't know that i would put us out to be the angels as far as careers and -- >> i'm not saying that. >> i don't know that this is just statistically what we would see in any other occupation. >> it's actually far less in society. the domestic violence and the child abuse we're talking about now, it pales into comparison, you're right, sandra, with society and how frequent it happens. the question is, ink the biggest question to your point is retroactively, do they go back and punish all of these players

that have been arrested before? >> all eyes are on the nfl right now to see how they deal with this. >> i agree. i think that let the law handle it. the nfl, we can't trust the institutions. they're always going to protect their players. >> what about in the case of ray rice? charges were not done. >> that's the problem with the justice system. that's why we can't trust institutions. we don't look to the nfl. the policy of every nfl team should be, our players can't play if they're in jail. >> i'll tell you why we're talking about it. all eyes are on the nfl. it's football season. they have a massive audience. they're held to a higher standard and we are all watching. they need leadership. >> they're trying desperately to change the messages right now. we will continue to follow it. the headline out of this, vikings player adrian peterson expected to be on the field on sunday. hillary clinton is back in iowa for the first time since she lost her bid for the white house?

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thing. it is true. i am thinking about it. but -- but for today, that is not why i'm here. i'm here for the steak. >> while some pieces are already in place for a hillary run, soim say they're concerned it will be too much too soon and that hillary fatigue could set in during a possible campaign. what do you think? democrats already, many of them, aren't so happy with her. she's been out on the book tour. you couldn't turn on the tv without seeing her face for awhile there. is she out there too soon? are people like i'm tired of her. who else is running? >> could she be honest. do we really think she's in iowa for the steak? what a crock. can bill even eat steak with his heart? right? i do think hillary fatigue can set in. it set in in 2008.

democratic party was tired of hillary clinton. she set in with president obama. do i think there's a risk this time? perhaps. but there's nobody else challenging her. no one else is viable yet. sandra is giving me alook. do i think it can happen? sure. but i don't know. ic this is a bit different. she's waiting and waiting and waiting to see what happens with foreign policy and the polls and then make their decision z. she didn't talk about foreign policy once in the speech. >> would you? >> there was no important policy mentioned whatsoever. not even a mention of isis and president bobambam obama's pla fight them. absence makes the heart grow fonder. go away for a little bit and then come back with the surprise. we've seen a lot of her. >> it's interesting. we're now getting ready for the first hearing by the house select committee on benghazi, right? so she may feel some fatigue in a minute or two as well when the hearings get started.

i had wondered what journalist cheryl atkinson might be working on and what she's been doing is getting an exclusive interview and according to her reporting, this is going to come out, i guess, in a wider sense. one of her aides was assisting on a weekend to help purge some documents that the state department had on the night of september 12 a couple of years ago in benghazi, libya that our u.s. outpost was hit. this was interesting. she may not have wanted to talk about foreign policy yesterday. she had a funny look on her face when senator harkin wanted to talk about the book. she didn't want to talk about it. >> she wanted to talk about steak. you don't talk about foreign policy over steak. that will ruin a steak. >> what about the idea of having bill clinton by her side? he's always sort of around. in 2008 at times, he opened his mouth a little too much, wasn't so helpful. at this particular event after she stopped addressing people,

he sort of lingers around. >> talk about fatigue. >> does it draw attention to the fact he's more likable than she is? people liked him more than her. >> he loves that. he can't get enough of this stuff. but yes. i think if you don't have hillary fatigue by now, you ain't never going to get it. she's been around, all right? i wouldn't worry about hillary fatigue but yes. i agree with andrea. this nonsense about am i going to run? am i not going to run? they'll all tell the truth. every political candidate starts their campaign by lying to us. how refreshing would it be to come out and just say it? say yeah, i'm running. i'm run. if i lose, i'm going to run again. >> you want the clintons to be honest? they've had a tortured relationship with the truth. >> you don't think they can change that with the grandchild? >> i'm on watch. >> they think they know. >> maybe she doesn't know yet. >> kudos to you. >> am i outnumber snd >> i don't know about that. >> disgraced nfl star ray rice

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>> welcome back to "outnumbered." ray rice reportedly going to appeal his indefinite suspension by the nfl today. he was caught after a video came out showing him knocking out his

then fiance inside of an elevator in atlantic city casino. we're told rice will claim that he told the ravens and the nfl the truth about his fight and that he's being punished twice for the same offense. on saturday, he appeared in public for the first time since he lost his job. getting a very warm welcome at his former high school. his wife standing by his side. all this as the nfl looks to be in full damage control mode. the carolina panthers deactivating pro bowl linebacker hardy over his own domestic violence scandal and adrian peterson on sunday after he was indicted on charges of beating and injuring his 4-year-old son. peterson is expected to play this sunday but the league's raising problems raising questions about the female fans. a "washington post" piece saying, quote, women make up an estimated 45% of the nfl more

than 150 million american fans and had become pro football's most valuable players. female fans, a group beloved by advertisers, represent the league's biggest opportunity for growth but crisis after crisis from a string of lawsuits accusing some nfl teams of underpaying cheerleaders to the ray rice threaten undermined the league's efforts to expand beyond its saturated boys' club. >> i'm not a football fan to be honest. >> we can acknowledge they have targeted ways to watch football now. they can see the ball easier. >> is that true? >> that's true. >> that is true. it did an overwhelming amount of good for the nfl. now you have female fans but

then you have domestic violence disputes, tainted nfl. harris, you love football. >> i do. i watch a lot. >> is it going to change the way he perceive the nfl? >> completely confessing, i haven't been watching so much because everybody is talking about this. i can't even follow the game. you've got the players and then you've got new cases coming online. this is affecting the way that the viewer from home, now, maybe it's different when you're at the stadium because you're not there with commentators on the tv but i almost have to watch it with the sound down if i'm going to view it. >> i was talking to an attorney that represents nfl players this morning who said he believes this is eventually just going to go away because people want it to go away and our memories, quite frankly, are short. we'll get over this. what do you think? >> i think it's a little offensive. all of this marketing to women. any time i hear that, i'm offended and i think is there anything more con descending than being marketed to? like you need special illustrations to help you watch

football. it's ridiculous. >> let me give you examples of how the sponsors target women. we saw this with melissa milano in the baseball league. they started making franchise gear targeted towards women. baby keys, shirts and jerseys tapered at the waist. girls wanted to look cute watching football. then major responsors like febreeze saw that women were watching and they started sponsoring the nfl. this is a lft money we're talking >> the minute men were pearing pink cleats with breast cancer awareness, i thought, wow. they're trying to appeal to the women. there's a lot of women very devoted. there's women in ray rice jerseys. there's a switch on the adrian peterson issue. she was doing it out of jes, which i don't think it's very funny. i don't think the women are going to leave the league as long as it handles things properly. what i am a little upset about is this fem anies flying the

banner, roger goodell must go. football has become everything but football and i think we're distracting from the real issue here which is not roger goodell and whether or not he's a bad guy. ray rice is the bad guy. he said he's going to appeal this and i took it to the nfl. they knew what happened months ago. ray rice needs to open up for his behavior and he still isn't. >> i haven't heard him say the word, i'm so sorry. i put my hands on her. >> i told them months ago and they didn't do that. >> i was wrong. i would like to appeal but -- that's a good point. >> chris carter is a former nfl wide receiver, hall of famer, he decided to take a stand against this culture that you're referencing, andrea, now known in the nfl so well. here is what he had to say. listen. >> take them off the field. i don't care. we're in a climate right now, i don't care what it is. take them off the dang gone field. as a man that's the only thing we really respect. we don't respect no women.

we don't respect no kids. the only thing roger and them do, take them off the field. they respect that. >> he had a lot to say this weekend. >> that was kind of offensive. we don't respect no women. take him off the field. >> he's being realistic about what that is. >> that's the situation we're looking at right now. >> i thought he was talking to all men there. he's talking to the fans, right? >> only way to get the players to change their behavior is to impose strict penalties because he's right. then you cut off the money, you cut off the game. >> andrea, doesn't always work like that. they may cut off the money. that stifles the team itself in the nfl. >> but if they're not getting contracts like for example, look at alabama. i had a friend say to me, do you know how i knew alabama was going to be the number one team one year? they had the longest wrap sheet after the summer. they're used to getting in trouble and their agents, the nfl, the ncaa, everybody covers up for them. >> if you have people like him

saying that, which something you're not going to see that much, i think that's what changes the culture. somebody who has been on the inside. he's calling it like he sees it. he's telling you what he's seen. he's not pulling any crutches. that's going to change the culture. >> massive wildfires in california as officials order dozens of people to leave their homes. 300 firefighters battling the flames. we'll have a live report on that. plus christian family stunned when their daughter was told not to wear this t-shirt at school. was it fair to tell her to change? and what's wrong with this message, anyway? wait until you hear the school's explanation. k time takes mercy o one.

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>> more outnumbered in a minute. first let's get to jon scott with the second hour of "happening now." >> in the next hour, as the white house plans for a more intensive campaign of air strikes against iraq, there are new polls out showing americans' level of support. we have details on that. we'll tell you what this could all mean when it comes to the midterm elections.

also several wildfires burning in california right now. more than 1,500 forced to flee their homes. william will bring us a live report. another outbreak of measles to tell you about as the illnesses once eradicated continue to spread. they're warning folks who travel through seattle's airport may have been exposed to measles. more on that in the second hour of "happening now." >> we'll be watching. thank you. >> i may be outnumbered but now it's my turn with this story. a christian family shocked after their teenage daughter was told that she had to change her virginity rocks t-shirt because it could lead to awkward conversations about sex. the eighth grader said she wanted to wear the shirt because it represents her beliefs. >> i just really like the shirt because i was always raised that way. i didn't really think anybody would make a big deal out of it. >> we did. the school says any potentially disruptive clothing is banned.

now i kind of -- as usual, i see both sides of this issue. i agree with the school. i'm kind of sick of the t-shirts that, you know, they do distract from school. but -- >> take a position, tom. pick a side. >> but of course, you know, i feel for this girl. she should be able to express herself. do you know what? i think we're a little too obsessed with this virginity thing. haven't we -- you know, we put too much pressure on them with this virginity thing. >> i don't know about that, spoken like a man. >> okay. i'll explain why. but go on. >> i'll say this. i would need to see the school dress code policy. oftentimes kids aren't allowed to wear any logo t's. if they are, sometimes it's restrictions. this would distract attention. some kids would be like, yeah, i support you. it would create a distraction in the classroom in the same way if a kid said sex rocks. that would create a distraction. so the schools have to be careful they don't have these

kids that get restless and then thore teachers have to calm the down. >> if somebody would have told tom, he wouldn't have worn that sex rocks in high school. >> that's how hot and bothered you are. virginia is for lovers. i couldn't concentrate on the map. >> they're in junior high. sharpening your pencil will lead to a conversation about sex. >> i don't think she should be allowed to wear the shirt. it is distracting. >> it's not a freedom of speech thing or anything like that? >> freedom of speech in eighth grade? >> yeah. what are eighth graders talking about virginity? this is what i meant, andrea. i don't like the issue of virginity because to me, i think it puts all the emphasis on a sex act. i like virtue. believe me, i'm a prude. i don't think kids should be having sex. >> you don't like the word? >> we've moved the goal post all the way to home base to mix my

sport metaphor. >> and how we've gotten back to the nfl? >> how about reading, writing, ala let -- arithmetic? >> a little balance on chastity, that might not be a bad thing. >> it won't turn into that, though. it will be kids talking about dirty stuff in the middle of the classroom. >> you win. i think we need to know what the school dress code is. >> that's true. >> it truly is about the wording on the shirt, maybe she shouldn't have. if it's allowed, she should be able to wear the shirt and state her opinion. >> tom, you look confused. >> moving on, listen. >> see how distracted i am? >> i love it. >> listen and prepare for this. are you sick of all those inconsiderate pedestrians who walk down the street or the sidewalk and they're texting? buried in their phones? or maybe you're one of them. well, one city is really fed up with this. we'll show you how they're

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initiatives and hopes to remind people it is dangerous and to walk. tom, you are fired up, and tell people what you think? >> i am ready to get outnumbered. i am against the hysteria over texting and against the laws that against texting. i am against the laws. i see people they are trying to of the law it is texting down here. they should hold it up and text and drive and deal with the consequences. it should not be walking. hold it up high and tex while you are walking. >> and people who are texing hit them with the cars. >> it should be frowned on.

>> the law, making it worse because they are afraid of a ticket. >> first of all the worst thing to see texting while walking. >> but driving in new york city, you can see people with a starbucks in one hand and one hand texting and earphones in their ears and crossing in the middle of a red light. i think it is hilarious. i like. it when ever someone is in front of me. i want to tell them, pull over. they have their own lane. >> or they run into me. i tell them wake up. hold it up high. >> go out and walk. >> americans don't like rules like this. >> and the guys walking in the shopping mall and she walked in the fountain. >> fun to have you here today, tom. we are staying right here for

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