okay. during the commercial i came down. you know what, elisabeth? we've had a year of challenges. this was one of the biggest ones. congratulations once again. >> you did a great job. >> happy anniversary. >> brian is off to radio. bill: a fox news alert. the first wave of airstrikes taking place against isis in iraq starts overnight. good morning. will the battle with isis drive our country into a fight with bashar al-assad? >> reporter: for the first type the united states is on offense against isis.

less than a week ago president obama promised the united states would start hunting isis targets wherever they are. this time it meant south of baghdad where they destroyed an area where six isis vehicles were destroyed in a separate strike. there have been 162 airstrikes in iraq since isis started causing trouble. so far the strikes have been focused on protecting americans and humanitarian aid. right now' retired general john allen's job is to figure out what the coalition needs in their fight against isis and figure out what each ally is willing to contribute. senior administration officials

are warning syria's bashar al-assad not to get in the way of airstrikes against isis. we know where assad is keeping his air defenses and they will be targeted if they take aim and fire in the u.s. pleants that may appear in the sky over syria. >> there will be rules of engagement related to any military orders the president directs. >> reporter: there is a reuters report citing the british monitor that claims isis fighters have been able to shoot down a syrian plane for the first time. martha: peter, thank you very much. bill: as the white house prepares for a possible showdown

inside syria, karl rove, a former chief of staff for president bush joins us. we remember the red line in syria. how is the president going to handle syria now? >> he will face some very serious decisions here in the days ahead. it's one thing if we have the opportunity like we had yesterday to strike a position in the open and there is no collateral damage. but what happens when we are talking about hitting command and control centers in population centers or bases that isil occupies in syria where there might be civilians nearby. the second question is how can we insure the aid and assistance we give to the free syrian army is used to advance the cause

against isil and these weapons don't end up in the hand of islamists or isil themselves. the president has tough questions ahead how much to canw to tactically proceed. bill: the president made a point to ed henry look at our schedule to see where the focus and concentration is. how do you see that, karl? >> what the president does the next or 3 or 4 or 5 weeks will have a minimal decline in the polls. this began off a year ago, early in the summer of 2013, and something that's taken that long top ratchet down that low will not be turned around easily. there is support for the president by 8-15 in a cnn poll.

the american people support giving him the authorization to use the force. but 30% think he has a clear plan, 37% don't. the american people support him but they don't think he has a good handle on it. as a result these numbers are not doing change quickly. peter doocy talked about 132 strikes. that's less than 3 a day since we began these air attacks. that's not a very large operational tempo. it's one thing to think about yesterday, when knocked out 6 trucks in northern iraq, and we knocked out one begun emplacement in northern baghdad. for it to be impactful it will need to be. >> iran is giving us a hard

time. big surprise there. question, who will fit this battle with us or are we alone, karl? >> so far there are 30 countries that expressed some level of support but it's unclear who will joins. i suspect the united arab emirates will do some operations with us. but this is different than the coalition we saw in iraq under the previous administration. in were 25,000 u.s. allied troops in iraq. now we don't have anyone except the austrailians who said they will be fighting alongside us. most our allies in the region are sunnis worried about the shiite government in iraq. and about this might benefit the shiite fasts in iran and syria. they are worried about sectarian concerns. the other bigger concern is

probably how serious is the united states? they have the same concerns the american people do. is the president committed? does he know what he's getting into? he faces a lot of tough decisions. it's one thing if you have got a gun emplacement and you have got a drone overheed and you want to knock it out hike we did yesterday. but when kurdish troops start to move on mosul i'm sure his military advisers will say we need u.s. spotters near the front lines to make sure our air campaign is effective. the use of targeted operations by special operators. training and advising the iraqis cannot be done from inside the green zone in baghdad. it's going to be important to have u.s. trainers and advisers near the front lines helping the

iraqis what's necessary to be done. bill: some may already been make those arguments behind closed doors. martha: so much to understand here. limit analysts are weighing in on the key questions of whether ground troops will be necessary in this conflict. will the colonel oliver north saying airstrikes will not be enough in his opinion. >> no one is offering to put boots on the ground in syria. that's going to be a problem you expect you will have the opposition taken out with airstrikes. airstrikes are great but it takes rough men with rifles to seize territory, liberate hostages and cap killers. martha: we'll speak with retired general jack keane. bill: we'll see if this is

mission creep or if the president gets dragged into it more than he wants to. the president set to announce a plan to combat the ebola outbreak. he will head to atlanta and visit the cdc. the president plans to sngd 3,000 military personnel to west africa. president obama expected to announce plans training hundreds of healthcare workers and setting up healthcare facilities in the area. officials say it will tang two weeks to get forces on the ground there. martha: adrian peterson is facing allegations he abused another one of his children. it's a different mother who claims he harshly punished a boy

a year ago. the allegation came hours after he was reinstated by his team. the general manager defending that decision. >> based on the extensive information we have right now and what we know about adrian not on as a person, but what he has done for this community, we be deserves to play while the legal process plays out. martha: a lot of questions and protesters saying roger goodell should lose his job. others are sticking up for him including the owners of the teams have been haven't behind him. we'll debate this story later in the hour. bill: cabo has been clobbered. what's believed to be the worst hurricane ever to slap this vacation resort. the damage goes on and on.

plus there is this ... [gunshots] martha: intense police shootout was caught on camera. we'll show you more of that dramatic tape. bill: should the president declare war on isis flat out? bill yoo riley says yes. >> we need a presidential commit to the kill terrorists wherever they may be. to do that president obama and congress should pass a declaration of war.

martha: tropical storm odile is churning its way through the make. many roads are impassibleth and power is out to thousands of people. look at the damage in the streets. mexico send thing in planes to evacuate thousands of strangtded tourists. there are growing reports of looting which is what follows in many of these situations. hundreds of people ransacking the supermarkets and electronics stores. snatching anything they could carry out of there. >> we need a presidential commit

to the kill terrorists wherever they may be. the president and congress should pass a declaration of war against islamic terrorists. we have to have an official document that says here we come. we don't invade or nation build. we fight smart. few american politicians with impose a declaration of war because of their careers. so let many get rolling or do we need a couple more beheading. bill: democrat ... >> what we are doing right now. if you are talking about putting troops on the ground, putting

infantry and tanks, that's not where we are going to go and that's not how we'll defeet isis. if you are talking about protecting americans wherever they go, that's where we are right now. we are going the train in syria the moderate opposition. that's part of the strategy to take out isis that killed americans and cut their head off. bill: you are say nothing declaration of war. what is the house willing to give? it appears republicans in the house are willing to give quite a bit. >> i hope we can give the resources to the administration. >> we have the best military and the best intelligence in the world, but it costs money.

that's why this sequestration thing has to be reevaluated to make sure we protect americans and our allies. there has bean lot of complaints about the coalition building. and as far as coalition building that's the way we need to go. especially the arab countries who surround this area and are dealing with isis every day. the major strategy is to get the sunni population to stand up against isis. but we can't respond to national media and to other pundits making comments one way or another. we have to do what our professionals are advising the president and take them out and engage. who a leading in the general has been reported saying you can't do it without put something sort of force on ought ground. what he's recommending ... you can go in there with special-ops

* and put special forces on the ground and short of that you can't be successful. >> i agree you eventually need troops on the ground. but you don't need american troops on the ground. we have tremendous resources to back up troops on the ground. we are not going to tell people, the enemy, when we are going to come in. we just took out some more isis men and equipment last night and we'll continue to do that. isis had great momentum until we came in and used our fire power to take them back on their heels. bill: if we don't do it who will? >> we can't be sheriff of the home world. but we are the strongest country of the whole world but we are coordinated and we are pulling people together and we are training people. we have americans in these countries training the military to make sure they can stand up. this will be a long process,

more to get the hearts and minds of the people. look at iraq. you can't win a war against isis by military intervention. it didn't happen in iraq. we had a leader in maliki who shoved out the sunnis and the kurds. so we have got to have other countries. bill: on the intelligence committee you know how critical good intelligence is. how much better would our intelligence be if we had kept that small force behind? >> the small force in syria or iraq? bill: iraq. >> if you are talking about iraq, we wanted to stay in iraq. iraq wanted us out of the country. they would not give us immunity for our troops who were there. we could not tolerate being in a country where our men and women of the military could be

arrested and put through their system. you the leadership that took over in iraq, that's how isis was able to grow. we'll do what we have to do to protect americans. dutch ruppersberger. the democrat from maryland. martha: iran has rejected america's request to join the coalition against isis. bill: there are people trapped after a deck gives way and the bottom drops out from underneath them. >> it was scary once we found out what was going on. a lot of people were yelling and screaming. especially, the girls were like just hysterical. hi, i'm henry winkler and i'm here to tell homeowners

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martha: california plagued by a dozen wildfires. the king county fire is threatening homes near lake tahoe. and the fire in weed destroying 100 structures there. what kind of conditions are the firefighters dealing with. >> the conditions are hot, dry and windy, especially up near the oregon-california border where flames virtually wiped out the town of weed causing residents to run for their lives as winds pushed a small

brushfire into town. even before firefighters could respond the town burst into flames, including the town's mill which is the major employer. 50 acres burned. 200 more homes threatened with poor conditions there in the sierras the king fire doubled. it's one of 12 major wildfires in california. 6,000 firefighters deployed as 90-degree heat and native grass turned it into bone-dry kindling. >> he called to say get out now. the fire is headed your way. >> reporter: at this point in time you have got the good news

is the forecast is rain. not huge but it would be the first significant rainfall we have had in 6 months. martha: not just california being hit here, right? >> reporter: it's peak season for southern california for fires but several are burning in oregon. hot shot crews and helicopters employed on the pit fire near mounting hood. 68 homes threatened. zero containment. considering the drought we have been lucky. so far it' the second lowest in a decade. let's cross our fingers we can get out of this season. conditions in southern california are horrible. we are not getting moisture until thursday.

bill: on capitol hill senators are about to hold a hearing on isis. martha: new claims some high-ranging staffers of then secretary of state hillary clinton helped separate out the damaging documents related to benghazi before the state department turned everything over to the investigators. >> the people in that room directing traffic were none other than hillary chief of staff and jake sullivan, her deputy chief of staff.

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bill: a fox news alert. on the hill a hearing on the threat isis poses to the u.s. chuck hagel and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff martin dempsey, they will both testify in minutes. mike emanuel is live on the

hill. what do we expect? >> we expect them make the case this will be less shock and youk and awe. the arm services committee, you can expect they will talk about efforts to train up the syrian opposition forces and efforts to better organize and get the iraqi forces back into the fight. chuck hagel and general dempsey initially sounded the alarm to the american people. >> isil is as sophisticated and well fund as any group we have seen. they are beyond just and terrorist group. >> they can be contained. this is an organization with an apocalyptic end of days strategic decision which will eventually have to be defeated. >> you can expect they will get

questions about if no american boots are on the ground are realistic and what if this coalition isn't very big. bill: part of job is selling the committee on the president's plan and if the president's plan will work. >> reporter: we heard from a variety of lawmakers on capitol hill who are worried that the president's strategy isn't aggressive enough to destroy isis. then there is the issue tim kaine keeps going to. he wrote quote we should be drafting a specific narrow authorization as described by president obama last week. the training of forces in the region and counter-terrorism operations to eliminate the

leadership of the organization. he's also calling for an expiration date so lawmakers can take a look to see if the strategy is working. bill: we'll pray chuck hagel's comments to our viewers once that gets underway. martha: the house select committee on benghazi is getting underway tomorrow. in is a report that top staffers of secretary of state hillary clinton took part in reviewing documents before they were turned over to the arb, the accountability review board. raymond maxwell says cheryl mills and jake sullivan were there in the room at one point and were both involved in the separating out of document that would be quote embarrass together 7th floor where hillary clinton's offices were. cheryl atkinson * has been

breaking this story and here she explains what mr. maxwell tells her he saw. >> he heard people speaking of it so he decided to check it out for himself. he came in on a sunday underneath the jogger's entrance and asked the office director who technically works for him but he had not been consulted about her assignment and she said according to him we are to separate any documents that could be embarrassing to the 7th floor and the front office. that's being secretary of state hillary clinton and her advisors. he asked her isn't that's unethical and she replied, ray, those are our orders. martha: joining me now, doug schoen and rich lowry. both fox news con trit tributers. these are serious allegations. when you are asked for all

documents, you must turn over in these situations all documents. you don't get the discretion to separate out the ones that might be incriminating and the ones that aren't. where are we with this, rich? >> it's completely explosive if it's true and it can be established. this will be top-level hillary aids obstructing this investigation into an attack against our ambassador and united states interests. the select committee should pull on this thread and we should hear maxwell in open testimony and if what he's saying is delect should be other corroborating evidence. >> you say there are credibility issues with this. >> i must say that rich's formulation is a fair one. maxwell was disciplined. he's disgruntled. his behavior i think during that period.

but the way rich formulated it is exactly right. we also need to hear from hair mills and jake sullivan before we rush to judgment. they are serious allegations. we need to find out what in fact happened and didn't happen. the other thing we need to find out is what the accountability review board was doing in terms much their overall document collection procedure and whether this operation if it was one if it was didn't than what maxwell said it was. >> reporter: is it fair to say cheryl mills is the closest executive to hillary clinton? >> she is the closest. but she is a person of impeccable reputation. the idea that she was engaged in the possibility of obstruction of justice is very hard for me based on my experience. martha: that's what we are talking about here. we are talk being obstruction of justice and the process has to take place. they claimed there is no there

there. marie harp had this to say. >> them had full access to the document. any accounts you mentioned are completely without merit and completely ill-informed. >> we wouldn't have a select committee in the first place if a bombshell email they held on to for years giving susan rice or talking points on those notorious sunday shows interviews, that wasn't revealed until there was a lawsuit and it was dragged out of them. martha: what i keep going back to, if it's true that evening was turned off and no one has anything to hide, why has there been so much hidden, why has

there been so much redacted. if you are sharon wolf where don't you come forward and say this man has no credibility and i would never do up a thing. >> when you are in an investigative phase any got criminal lawyer will tell you not to come forward until you have to. there is a difference between emails not produced in a timely fashion because they are politically embarrassing. these would be explosive if there was any season till -- ify scintilla of truth to them. >> he says there are other people in the room who wouldn't directly involved. people have to sign in on a sunday afternoon. there should be other ways to track this down.

the question is where are the document that were accept separated out. martha: we'll get back to washington where things are getting underway. doug schoen, we mentioned your new book. thank you, doug and relationship, we'll see you next time. bill: the u.s. coalition dense isis hitting a small snag. iran rejecting calls to help. >> at what point does this administration understand a no and something about the dignity of the u.s. not to go scrapping around august of an open hand to iran which wants to humiliate the u.s. and wants to see us lose. bill: why would the u.s. reach out to iran? plus this ...

martha: a violent scene caught on video. an officer wearing a body camera. we heard so much about those. this one caught all this in a shootout.

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bill: we are keeping a close eye on what secretary hail is about to say. he's about to begin and statement and spelling out what the administration's position is on taking the fight to isis. as we wait on that, john bolton is a former ambassador to the u.n. good morning to you. in part what he's going say is the commander in chief cannot do that without the cooperation of congress. it would appear for the most part, maybe not in lock step but it would appear he's going get that support.

do you disagree? >> i think for the short term he will get authorization to train the syrian opposition and arm them and perhaps do other things. i think the larger debate about occur after the election. i think this is a political calculation by the president. in on the takeoff and in on the landing. i don't think he has to go to congress. but from a political point much view i think it makes good sense from his perspective. what changes after the election in your estimation? >> i think it' to get past the risk a lot of politicians see in talking about the hard realities we face. notably if isis is a threat to the united states which the president says it is and his aim is to destroy it. that we need to confront the read at. we are going to need american troops to do that. most politicians would like to punt that until after the

election. >> when you talk about boots on the ground, how do you define that? how big is that? how is it affective? who do you incorporate? is it just american forces? can you draft others? are they willing to go along with it? >> i think it has to include substantial american forces. if you believe isis is a threat to the united states, does our safety depend on the performance of the iraqi army? if they don't quite do the job then we'll come in? isis is vulnerable now. they do not have control over the territory they occupy but of day that goes by allows them to get stronger. the american military doctrine allows them to do the planning obviously but not to take a three-year stroll through iraq and syria to deal with the issue. i don't think the president

wants to confront that. but that what's we have to do as a country. we have to understand the implications of the struggle we are getting into. >> what do you think the commander-in-chief is willing to do. what does he want to do? >> i don't think he wants to be involved in this at all. i think he gave the game away. if he had been advising isis he would have advised them not to behead the two americans because it would have undercut american support for military intervention. i think the president is wildly conflict on this. there are already boots on the ground. 2,000 americans or more. do we have an immunity agreement for iraq? so important to get the immunity agreement. do these folks have immunity? >> we are looking at protesters and there seem to be many inside

that room. this statement by secretary hagel. there is a good chance it could be interrupted many times. let's dip in here and see what the defense secretary has to say, chuck hagel. >> regarding the ebola crisis, then we'll travel tonight to tampa to receive a briefing from the commander of u.s. central command general austin on operational plans to implement his isil strategy. i'll join the president tomorrow in tampa for that briefing. the defense department civilian and military leaders are in complete agreement that the united states and our allies and partners must take action against isil and that the president's strategy is the right approach. as president obama made clear american military power alone will not' eradicate the threats posed by isil to the united states and our partners in the

region. iraq's continued political progress toward a more inclusive representative government and its programs of reform and reconciliation will be critical to achieve the progress required. we believe that new iraqi minister, prime minister abadi is committed to bringing all together against isil. the coalition will need to use all its instruments of power to support them and we intend to use all of those instruments of power, military, law enforcement, economic, diplomatic and intelligence in coordination with all the countries in the region. to succeed this strategy will also require a strong partnership between our scut executive branch and our congress. the president made it a priority to consult on the challenge as

have john kerry and many superior members of the administration. i have had the chance to consult with members of the senate and house over the last couple weeks. we'll continue to consult closely with congress as this campaign moves forward. isil poses a real threat to all countries in the middle east. our european am lies an -- our n allies and to america. in the last few months the u.s. has seen isil barbarity up close. in the slaughtering of religious minorities. isil murder of two u.s u.s. journalists exposed to the world. is it * controls a vast swath of

eastern syria and western and northern iraq. isil gained strength by ex employing the civil war in syria and sectarian strive in walk and seized territory across both countries and across squired significant resources. isil deployed terrorists and insurgents. isil has been very adept at developing technology and social media to increase its global profile and attack tens of thousands of fighters. its goal is to establish an extremist islamic caliphate across the middle east. it considers itself the rightful inheritor of usama bin laden's legacy. while it poses an immediate threat, we also know thousands

of foreign fighters including europeans and more than 100 americans are traveled to syria with passports that give them relative freedom of movement. these fighters can exploit isil safe haven to plan, coordinate and carry out attacks against the united states and europe. all those intelligence community has not yet detected specific plotting against the u.s. homeland. isil has global aspirations. and as president obama made clear, isil's leaders threatened america and our allies. it is -- in its address to the nation president obama announced the united states will need a broad multi national coalition to roll back the isil threat. more than 40 nationsw have expressed their willingness to participate in this effort and 30 nations indicated their readiness top offer military

support. president obama, vice president biden and secretary kerry and i are work and will continue to work to unite and expand this coalition. at the nato summit in wales secretary kerry and i convened a key meeting of supporters in the region. we then went to turkey. isil is holding 36 turkish diplomats hostage. turkey joined our meeting in wales and secretary kerry and i continued to discuss specific contributions turkey will make. secretary kerry convened a meeting last week the six gulf corporation councils, egypt, iraq, jordan and lebanon. all signed a communique to do their share in the comprehensive

fight against isil included joining in the coordinated aspects of a coordinated campaign against isil. nations of the arab league called for comprehensive measures to combat isil. yesterday in paris, french president hollande hosted a conference attended by european and arab members. they all pledged help in the fight through military assistance. the united kingdom, france and australia are already contributing military support and other partners have begun to make specific offers. at the u.s. general assembly we expect other nations will begin making commitments against the spectrum of responsibilities.

building on the security council resolution adopted last month calling on member states to take measures to counter isil and suppress the flow of foreign fighters to isil. also next week president obama will chair hah meeting of the u.n. security council to further mobilized international community. as you all know, noarm former international security force commander and acting' commander general allen will serve as special envoy to counter isil. general allen will work in a civilian diplomatic capacity to coordinate, build and sustain the coalition. drawing on his extensive experience in the region. he will be the administration's point man to coordinate the coalition's contributions and build support in the region.

he will work closely with general austin to insure coalition efforts are aligned across all elements of our rooty. the president outlined the strategy to defeat and degrade isil. in close coordination with the new iraqi government we are broadening our air campaign to conduct systematic airstrikes against isil targets. to protect americans threatened by is isil's advances the u.s. military has conducted more than 160 successful airstrikes which have killed isil fighters and destroyed weapons and equipment and allowed iraqi and kurdish forces to get back on the offensive and secure key territory and critical infrastructure including the mosul and aditha dams.

this have helped buy time for the iraqi government to help form an inclusive and broad-based coalition government led about it new prime minister. that was one of president obama's preconditions for taking further actions against isil. the iraqi people must be united in their opposition against isil in order to defeat them. this will require a united and inclusive government. this is ultimately their fight. the campaign will include strikes against all is i will * targets and they will continue to stay on the offensive and recapture territory and hold. because isil operates freely across the iraqi-syrian bored and maintains a safe haven in

syria our actions will not be contained by a border in name only. the president of the united states has the constitutional and at statutory -- and the statutory authority to use force in syria and iraq. this plan includes targeted actions against isil save havens in syria including its command and control logistics capabilities and infrastructure. general dempsey and i areviewed and approved the centcom plan. the second element of the strategy is to increase our support for forces fighting isil on the ground. to support iraqi and kurdish forces the president announced he would deploy 475 american troops to iraq. part of that number includes

approximately 150 advisers and support personnel to supplement forces already in iraq conducting assessments of the iraqi security forces. this assessment mission is transitioning to an advise and assist mission with more than 15 teams embedding with iraqi security forces at the headquarters level. the rest of the additional 475 troops include 125 personnel to support intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions out of irbil and 200 personnel to increase headquarters elements in baghdad and irbil to help us better coordinate military activities across iraq. by the time all these forces arrive there will be approximately 1,600 u.s. personnel in iraq responding to the isil threat.

but american forces will not have a combat mission. instead these advisers are supporting iraqi and kurdish forces and supporting the government's plan to stand up iraqi national guard units to help sunni community defeat isil. the best counter weapt to isil are local -- the best counterweight to isil will local forces. there is $500 mill to fund this program. we secured support from audi sai arabia to host the program. the $500 million request the president made in june reflects centcom's estimate of the cost to train, equip and resupply more than 5,000 opposition

forces over one year. the package of assistance we initially provide will consist of small arms, vehicles and basic equipment like communications as well as tactical and strategic training. as these forces prove their effectiveness we would be prepared to provide sophisticated assistance to the most trusted commanders. the administration as asked congress to provide the authority and the continuing resolution it's considering. a rigorous vetting process wrote be critical. d.o.d. would work closely with the state department, the intelligence community and our partners in the region. [please stand by]

there will always be risk. there will always be risks in a program like this. but we believe that risk is justified bit imperative of destroying isil and that necessity of having capable partners on the ground in irsyria. as we pursue this program the united states will continue to press for a political resolution to the syrian conflict, resulting in the end, of the assad regime. assad lost all legitimacy to govern and has created conditions that allowed isil and other terrorist groups to gain ground and terrorize and slaughter the syrian population. the united states will not coordinate or cooperate with the assad regime. we will also continue to counter assad through diplomatic and economic pressure. the third element of the president's strategy is an all inclusive approach to preventing

attacks from isil against the homelands of the united states and our allies. in concert with our international partners, the united states will draw on intelligence, law enforcement, diplomatic, economic tools to cut off isil's funding, improve our intelligence, strengthen homeland defense, and stem the flow of foreign fighters in and out of the region. the department of justice and the department of homeland security have launched an initiative to partner with local communities, to counter extremist recruiting. and the department of treasury's office of terrorism and financial intelligence is working to disrupt isil's financing and expose their activities. the final element of the president's strategy is continue to providing humanitarian assistance to innocent civilians displaced or threatened by isil. alongside the government of iraq, the united kingdom, canada, australia, and france, u.s. troops already delivered

life saving aid to thousands of threatened iraqi civilians on mount sinjar and the iraqi down of amerlie. in total the u.s. military conducted 32 air-drops of supplies providing over 818,000 pounds of aid including nearly 50,000 gallons of water, nearly 122 meals ready to eat in these operations. in addition to this assistance, last week the state department announced a additional 48 million in aid for civilian organizations to meet the urgent needs of iraqis displaced by isil. our total humanitarian assistance to displaced iraqis is now more than $186 million for fiscal year 2014. the united states is also the single largest donor of humanitarian assistance for the millions of syrians affected by the civil war. last week secretary kerry announced an additional 500 million in human

hewlett-packard assistanc the sn conflict the united states has now committed almost $3 billion in humanitarian assistance to those affected by the civil war. all four elements of this strategy require a significant commitment of resources on the part of the united states and our coalition partners much. much mr. chairman, i think everyone on this committee understands fully this will not be an easy, or a brief effort. it is complicated. we're at war with isil, as we are with al qaeda. but destroying isil will require more than military efforts alone. it will require political progress in the region, and effective partners on the ground in iraq and syria. as the congress and the administration work together, we know this effort will take time. the president has outlined a clear, comprehensive, and workable strategy to achieve our goals and protect our interests.

mr. chairman, senator inhofe, thank you for your continued support and that of this committee and your partnership. thank you. >> thank you, very much, secretary hagel. thank you. would you please leave. would you please leave the room now. we're asking you nicely. but we're asking you nicely to please leave the room. look, we're asking you nicely, would you please leave the room. thank you. we asked you for the last time. thank you very much. >> u.s. -- >> thank you for -- good-bye. >> u.s. military will not be a solution. counterproductive. don't drag us into another war. we had 13 -- >> we would ask all of you to avoid these kind of outbursts, they're not doing anybody any good including hearing what this testimony is and they're not doing you and whatever your cause is any good either. thank you very much. would you please -- i'm asking you nicely.

to please leave the room, we're asking you again. >> please senator -- >> thank you very much, good-bye. good-bye. >> boys are being hurt. we need a smart -- >> general dempsey -- >> we need to end this war. general dempsey. >> breeding extremism. >> thank you, chairman, and ranking member inhofe. members of committee i do appreciate the opportunity to appear before you this morning. secretary hagel ascribed in detail the elements of our strategy against isil, the role the united states military is taking in my judgment appropriate. this is an iraq first strategy but not an iraq-only one. job one is empowering the iraqi ground forces to go on the offensive which they're already beginning to demonstrate. this requires a partnership with a credible iraqi government which is also showing positive signs of becoming inclusive of all of its population.

within this partnership are advisors are intended to help the iraqis develop a mind-set for the offensive and to take actions consistent with offensive. our military advisors will help the iraqis conduct campaign planning, arrange for low gisttics support and coalition activities. if we reach the point where i believe our advisors should accompany iraq troops on specific isil targets i will recommend that to the president. as long as isil enjoys a safe haven in syria it will remain a formidable force and a threat. so while this work in iraq is taking place we will simultaneously pressure isil in syria. with coalition partners and contributions, we will begin building a force of vetted, trained, moderate syrians to take on isil in syria. we will work to insure that they have a syrian chain of command and report to a moderate political authority. this force will work initially at the local and community level

and help pull together syrians who most felt the harsh hand of isil. in conjunction with that long-term effort we will be prepared to strike isil targets in syria that will degrade its capabilities. this will not look like a shock and awe campaign because simply that is not how isil is organized but it will be a persistent and sustainable campaign. i want to our military actions are effort to disrupt isil financing and interdict the movement of foreign fighters across borders and undermine the isil message. given a coalition of capable, willing, regional partners i believe we can restore is sill in iraq and restore iraq-syria border. is isil will be defeated when the cloak of religious illegitimacy is stripped away and population rejects them. our actions are intended to move in that direction.

this will require a sustained effort over an extended period of time. it's a generational problem and we expect the enemy will adapt their tactic as as we adjust our approach. as the situation in the middle east evolves and continues to demand our attention we're balancing other challenges in other regions, ebola the most recent and reassuring our european allies against russian aggression and continuing our mission in afghanistan. our young men and women in uniform are doing so much more. they conduct hundreds of exercise, activities and engagements every day and actions that deter conflict and reassure allies around the world. they are performing magnificently. but i am growing increasingly uncomfortable that the will to provide means does not match the will to pursue ends. the secretary and i are doing what we can inside the department to bridge that gap but we'll need your help. if we do not depart from our present path over time, i will have fewer military options to

offer to the secretary and to the president and that is not a position in which i want to find myself. thank you. >> thank you very much, general dempsey. we'll have a six-minute first round. we have at love us here. we all want to have an opportunity and then if we go around once and have reasonable hour facing us we'll try to have a very short second round. we just won't know that until we get to it. general dempsey, let me start by asking you for your professional military opinion of the military strategy which was announced by the president last week. do you personally support the strategy? >> i do, chairman. >> can you tell us why? >> because the nature of the threat is such that i mentioned

it will only be defeated when moderate arab and muslim populations in the region reject it and therefore the way forward seems to me to run clearly through a coalition of arab and muslim partners and not through the ownership of the united states in this issue. and the strategy does that. it seeks to build a coalition and encourage, an inclusive government to address the grievances that caused this in the first place. it applies u.s. military power where we have unique capability to do so. and over time, it allows those populations to reject isil. >> in terms of utilizing the, on the ground, the forces that are syrian and iraqi return western forces, is that part of the thinking at this time as well? to avoid a western ground force

in an arab or muslim country for the same reason that you just gave? >> well, i do think that the approach to build a coalition and enable it, leads me to leverage our unique capabilities which tend to be, as i mentioned, the ability to train and plan and provide intelligence and provide air power. as i said in my statement, however, this, my view at this point is that this coalition is the appropriate way forward. i believe that will prove true. but if it fails to be true, and if there are threats to the united states, i would of course go back to the president and make a recommendation that may include the use of u.s. military ground forces. >> secretary hagel, how important is it, you made reference to this, but i would like to you elaborate, that the coalition have very strong, visible, participation by arab and muslim states?

>> mr. chairman, you just reflected in your question to general dempsey on the point, and i would, pick up where general dempsey left off. this is not a, west versus east issue. this is not a u.s., european coalition against muslim countries. or a muslim region. it's important that the world see, especially the people in the middle east see, that the threat that is confronting them first and all of us, needs to be addressed by the people of their region as well as all nations and all people in the world. to have arab muslim nations be present and public, about their efforts, in this coalition,

helps that and it is critically important to the ultimate success of winning against all extremist factors, and factions in the middle east, specifically isil. >> and that same approach, of having the force, the people of these countries basically purge the strand of islam that is so poisonous, that is trying to take over in their countries, leads, i gather, to one argument for using indigenous national forces on the ground rather than outside and particularly western forces? >> yes. i said in my statement, mr. chairman, that the most significant powerful, force against extremism in the middle east are the people

themselves, who will not accept this kind of barbarity and brutality. the muslims of the world know that what isil represents in no way is what their religion, what their ethnicity, what their background represents. and to have local forces be involved, supported by local people, is the most significant thing i think we can do, as we support them, as we doing and will continue to do in every way to defeat isil and other extreme it threats. >> i believe that you have testified that the foal is to, on the equip and training of syrian people, that the goal is to equip and train about 5,000 in one year. now, how that's first of all

going to match up against the isil numbers? and, well, let me just start with that one. >> well, as i have said and the president said and general dempsey has said and i think in our briefings here in our closed session briefings we've had with members the senate and the house and our staff here last week, this week, 5000 is a beginning, mr. chairman. this is part of the reason this effort is going to be a long-term effort. but, we will do it right. we will be able to train and equip these forces through our ability to give them tactical, give them strategic guidance and leadership, the kind of equipment they need, where they can move, not just as bands of a few people but, as legitimate

forces. 5000 alone is not going to be able to turn the tide. we recognize that on this side. on the isil side, on different estimates that continue to come out, those estimates float, mr. chairman, because, it is hard to pinpoint at any one time exactly what the strength of isil is. we know it is significant. we know because of their successes over the last few months they have picked up significant support. we also know that a lot of that support is forced support. you will either be part of this or your family's killed or you will be killed. so it is an imperfect process but the 5000 per year, and we may do better. we might be able to do better but we don't want to overstate or overpromise because we want the right people. are part of the overall strategy

that i articulated here as outlined by the president. >> thank you very much. senator inhofe. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i would ask that you turn the maps over. this is just for reference. we put this together with the help of the military, with the help of some think tanks and, the colors represented there, the orange would be what is under isil control right now. the, the gray would be the kurdish control and then the brown would be the ambitions of isil. do you, look at that map and find any problem with it, either one of you? >> actually, senator, in terms of their mission i think that is probably understating the mission. >> yeah. >> i think if left unaddressed they would aspire to restore the ancient kingdom which includes the current state of israel and runs all the way down to kuwait. >> we're trying to be conservative on this, to let

people know. this is a big area and it is a major, secretary hagel, you have a problem with this? >> no. i think general dempsey stated it exactly right. >> right. okay, the according to some of the reports that the u.s. intelligence agencies believe that isil does not represent the immediate threat to the united states. in fact daniel benjamin, who was president obama's top counterterrorism advisor during his first term, and he said, this is a quote, members of the cabinet and top military officers all over the place describing the threat in lurid terms that are just not justified. i appreciate, secretary hagel, that statement you made when you said that isis poses, quote, an imminent threat to every interest we have, whether it is in iraq or any place else. you still agree with that estimate. >> i do. >> and do you, general dempsey? >> yeah, i do, senator. >> you know, one of the things i

was glad to see is that the american people, there has been a wake-up call. last week there was a poll that was the cnn poll that 70% of people in america believe it's a threat to our homeland. then yesterday another one came out, this was a "wall street journal" poll, the same thing, 70% of the people. so i think, that wake-up call has taken. now, when president obama, and this gets back to some of the statements you made in your opening remarks, youhe said, our objective is clear. we would degrade and ultimately destroy isil through a comprehensive, sustained, counterterrorism strategy. it is clear. we talked about this. this is an army. and i, outlined in my opening statement, the six basic statements between al qaeda and what we're facing right now. do you generally agree with that? >> what i generally agree with, senator, that they have been using conventional tactics until such time as we applied air power.

they're beginning to adapt now. >> so now you don't agree that that strategy that we would impose against terrorists, some group is appropriate today looking in terms of the giant army that we're facing? >> no. i agree we have to build the capability of the isf and the perk to address it conventionally and including a counter terrorism component in the our strategy. -- pesh. >> secretary hagel i would like in the record here who is in charge of the war that like the state department saying they are, a lot of the control. my, if it is centcom commander austin then i feel a lot better about it. is that who is in control of this? is now military? >> yes. as i said, in my opening statement, senator, i tried to frame some of that of that up in, for example, what i mentioned about general allen's

role, initial role, as a coordinating role but i also said that he would work directly in that coordination with general austin as the centcom commander. that is why president obama will be with the centcom commander in tampa tomorrow to go over the plans. >> sure. well, mr. secretary, my concern is, i don't want people to be under the delusion that this is just another effort, another terrorist effort that we're going to be, going to be pursuing. asked by a reporter on september 11th, to define victory against isil the white house press secretary said i didn't bring my webster's dictionary up here. secretary hagel, you didn't bring yours either, can you define what victory for the united states means over isil. >> i believe victory when we complete the mission of degrading and destroying, defeating isil, just as the

president laid out, that was his objective. >> my, i understand that, i got a different interpretation when i listened to his speech when he said, on the fight against isil, quote, it will not involve american combat troops fighting on the soil. american forces do not have a combat mission. in your opinion, let me ask you two questions, general dempsey, in your opinion are the pilots dropping bombs in iraq, as they're now doing, a direct combat mission? and secondly, will u.s. forces be prepared to provide combat search-and-rescue if a pilot gets shot down? will they put boots on the ground to make that rescue successful? >> yes and yes. >> good. i appreciate that. then the last question i have, because i know i have gone beyond my time. we've been complaining what happened to the funding. now we're looking at sequestration and you will of this. in light of all that has occurred since we originally

started talking about the funding being necessary, do you think we're adequately funded now to take care of all these things that we, i stated in my opening statement and you have also agreed to? where are with the at our funding? are we adequate? >> well, two answers to your question but, no, is the first one. >> okay. >> basic answer but the budget that we will be coming up here presenting as you know in a few months, will contain what we belief will be required to carry forward for the longer term, this effort. but in the short term, this is why we're asking for the $500 million authority for the train and equip quip plus as you know the president asked for a few months ago for a $5 billion counterterrorism partnership fund plus a billion dollar european initiative fund as well. so, i think what general dempsey

said in his closing comments, in his statement, probably summarized pretty well, as you have noted, all the different pressures that are now coming down on this country, residing a good amount of it, as the defense department. one of the things that we've been warning about is sequestration over the last year-and-a-half. so we will come forward and our budget, for the next fiscal year, with some new requests. >> okay. >> if i could just elaborate. on behalf of the joint chiefs because we have discussed this frequently about our ability to balance capability, capacity and readiness. last year, we said that we, the size of the force that was projected over the course of the future of the defense plan was adequate to the task. if the assumptions made were valid and some of the

assumptions we made were about commitments and some of the assumptions we made were about our ability to get paid compensation, health care, changes, infrastructure changes and weapons systems. we didn't get any of those actually, or very few of them and the commitments have increased. so this, we do have a problem. i think it will become clear through the fall. it is not a problem that we can solve just with oco. that is to say the operational contingency funds there is big operation we have to get through. >> i know that is true. you mentioned chiefs, odierno and other chiefs testified in this room before us, even before these things erupted it was not adequate. we know that risk increases when adequacy is not met. thank you, mr. chairman. >> we have a quorum here now. so i will ask the committee to consider the list of 2458 pending military nominations. they have been before the committee required lent lent of

time. is there a motion. is there a second. all in favor say aye. opposed nay. motion carries, thank you very much. senator reid. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and general dempsey -- martha: we've been watching introductory statements and questioning has about begun in the senate foreign services hearing we've seen underway. you heard from general martin dempsey laying out some of the military plan in the battle against isil. we heard from chuck hagel as we, the secretary of defense, about the plans to basically train iraqi forces on one side of what some call a nonexistent border now, and syrian moderate forces, the free syrian army on the other side of that border to dot groundwork in this campaign, supported by u.s. and allied airstrikes. a lot of discussion to come still about exactly who those allies are going to be. he mentioned 40 nations that expressed an interest and verbal commitment at least to be part of this fight.

so a lot questions still to be answered in the course of this as we dip out for one moment. bill: hearing continues. pentagon national security correspondent jennifer griffin with us live now this morning. good morning to you. you've been on this story as it develops literally 24/7 for weeks now. what in the statement of secretary hagel or general dempsey surprised you? and is it possible that when dempsey suggested that we're going to start in this direction essentially, and see it works because we think it is the correct strategy now, if it is not, we'll come back and reassesses. through all of that what do we think is the most important, jennifer? >> we, two things, bill. first of all i think when secretary hagel was asked just now by snore inhofe to describe what does success look like, he really wasn't able to define what defeating and degrading isil would look like. general dempsey described it as a generational effort to defeat isil. that is 33 years, at least.

he is describing in very long terms much the headline so far that general dempsey said the coalition, coalition of arab allies fails or the alliance with the free syrian army or iraqi army fails he would consider going back to the president asking for u.s. ground forces. that is the first time we heard those words. he opened the door to that if something that the administration and white house, president said over and over again. no boots on the ground. we know that is a bit disingenuous and senator inhofe pointed that out because there are 1600 u.s. boots on the ground. they're in advisor capacity. they're not allowed to embed with iraqi forces below the brigade level. there are pilots flying over iraq. they are certainly in combat. general dempsey just said in effect if one of those pilots are shot down he would send in

u.s. ground forces to rescue them. there are certainly a lot in those opening statements, bill. bill: jennifer, thanks. we'll listen to those. we'll get back to you in a matter of moments with more headlines. 10:30 in new york. martha has more. martha: we'll go back to the questioning and live testimony as it continues here this morning. also coming up here on "america's newsroom," the parents of murdered american james foley speaking out in a profound way last night with greta van susteren. did the united states government do all they could to save their son? >> many people are scandalized that the president gave his statement about your son and then the next thing we have is a picture of him golfing. your reaction to that? >> we're just disappointed as americans.

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testimony. senator john mccain questioning now. >> yes. >> is an isil now the estimates are that there are some 31,000 metastasizing in very rapid fashion into a much larger force. to many of us that seems like a inadequate response to what -- >> would you please, please be quiet. i'm asking you now to please leave the room. please remove this lady. please remove this. the disruptions will not be accepted to anybody. bill: we've seen this time and again at these hearings and happened yet again. when we first went to this hearing about what was it, about 45 minutes ago, when the camera panned the room there are, possibly dozens of these protesters that have, they were in line early, to make sure they get a seat during this hearing an making their voices heard there. so let's get back inside as we

go one by one escorted out the door. senator mccain with the questioning here. clearly they are against any military action on behalf of the u.s. and stating their point. >> obviously group of 5000 as you mentioned in unit, size, deployments will be back in syria fighting against isil. they will also be fighting against bashar al-assad, which they have been doing for a number of years before isil was ever, a significant factor. now they will be fighting against boo shaar al-assad and ba shaar al-assad will attack them from the air which he has done with it 44 -- significant success and not only them but 90,000 people in syria were

slaughtered since the onset. if one of the free syrian army is fighting against ba'asyir assad and he is at that attackim from the air will we take action to prevent them from being attacked by ba'asyir assad? >> let me begin with the first part of your question, the 5000. >> dispense with that. i like the question, will we, if the free syrian army units attacked from the air by assad, will we prevent those attacks from taking place and take out bashar al-assad's assets and helicopter and fixed-wing attacking free syrian army units? >> we're first of all not there yet but our focus is on isil and that is the threat -- to our country and to our interests and to the people of the region. so, what we are training these units for, yes, as a stablizing

force in syria as an option but the first focus is, as i just said, as the president laid out in his statement to the country. >> i take it from your answer that we are now recruiting these young men to go and fight in syria against isil but if they're attacked by bashar al-assad we're not helping them. >> they will defend themselves, senator. >> will we help them against assad's air? >> we will help them and we will support them. >> how will we, will we repel bashar al-assad's air assets that will be attacking them. >> any attack on those that we have trained who are supporting us we will help them. >> i guess i'm not going to get an answer. seems to me you have to neutralize bashar al-assad's air assets if you're going protect

people we are arming and training and sending in to fight. is that inaccurate, general dempsey? >> the coalition we're forming, senator won't form, if we were to talk assad off the table we would have a much more difficult time forming a coalition. but i think what you're hearing us express an isil first strategy. i don't think we'll find ourselves in that situation given with we intend to do -- you. >> don't think the free syrian army is not going to fight against bashar al-assad who has been decimating them? you think these people you're training will only go back to fight isil? do you really believe that senator? >> what i believe as we train them and develop a military chain of command linked to a political structure we can establish objectives that defer that challenge into the future. we do not have a deal with that now. >> that is fundamental misunderstanding of the entire concept and motivation of the free syrian army.

that it base shaar assad that has killed many more of them than isil has. >> i agree. >> for us to say that we are going to go in and help and train and equip these people, and only to fight against isil, you're not going to get many recruits to do that, general. i guaranty you that. that's a fundamental fallacy in everything you are presenting this committee today. general, secretary hagel, was the president right in 2012 when he overruled most of his national security team and refused to train and equip the moderate opposition in syria at that time? >> senator, i was not there at the time so i'm a limited -- >> i ask general dempsey then. he was there at the time. >> i'm sorry, senator, when you ask the question -- >> was the president right in 2012 when he overruled his secretary of defense, secretary of state and director of the cia and refused to train and equip

the modern opposition forces in syria which, according to your testimony, we're doing today? >> senator, you know that recommended that we train them and that you know that for policy reasons the decision was taken in another direction. >> thank you. are you concerned, secretary hagel, about our southern border? we received testimony from our homeland security people that border is porous and the people who are now free to travel to the united states and also other radical elements might cross our southern border to attack the united states? >> i'm always concerned about -- >> i mean is that a serious concern of yours? >> i think we have to always look at these things -- >> is it serious concern? in other words do you think we have to improve the border security especially on the southern border? >> we can improve our border

security. >> thank you. my time is expired. >> thank you very much. senator nelson. >> senator mccain, you're aware that there were published reports of covert training? martha: we'll continue to listen to this. we'll watch it throughout these next moments. obviously a very strong line of questioning coming from senator mccain asking about assad and whether or not if he goes after the free syrian army which we're talking about and planning to train, would we defend them against assad, very thorny questions arise in all of this of course. we'll take a very quick break. we'll be back with steve hayes's analysis what we're hearing this morning right after this.

>> i think everyone on this committee understands fully this will not be an easy or a brief effort. it is complicated. we're at war with isil.

as we are with al qaeda. but destroying isil will require more than military efforts alone. it will require political progress in the region, and effective partners on the ground in iraq and syria. martha: we are at war. that coming from our secretary of defense. steve hayes joins me now, senior writer for "the weekly standard" and fox news contributor. general jack keane will be with us in just a moment, retired four-star general and chairman of institute of study of war and fox news military analyst. steve, we begin with you. that statement from chuck hagel, we are at war, that is a word that has been tossed around and used in very sort of tortured ways over the past week or so. what do you make of what we're hering in this room so far today? >> i think that comment from chuck hagel and standing by his earlier comments that isis presents an imminent threat to the united states and its interests, once again i think demonstrates that the

administration is not on the same page on this you've had different accounts from homeland security. you had different accounts in leaked reports from the parts of the intelligence community and yet you have chuck hagel saying that isis presents an imminent threat. i think the takeaway from the first 50 minutes, 50 some odd minutes of testimony is that this is an administration that still doesn't understand exactly what it is doing in this war or, sort of war that it is attempting to prosecute. >> it is a very complicated matter, when you listen to senator john mccain talking about would we defend the free syrian army if they were fired upon from the air by bashar al-assad? while they're also there fighting isil. it is a very, very complicated matter to be sure and one of the other questions that got a lot of attention so far this morning, which was answered by chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, martin dempsey, who said, that if he saw that the forces on the ground needed our assistance, he would recommend to the president that we do just

that. that lines him up for potential conflict with the president down the road. >> certainly does. we saw first reported by "the washington post" that the original request had been for what was termed a modest contingent of ground troops and the president rejected that. so having the top general make that recommendation, having the president accept and implement that decision is all together a very different thing. the other thing that martin dempsey said that struck me was that the coalition that the united states is helping to put together will address the grievances, that was the word that he used, the grievances of isil that has led to this, to this fighting. i would be very interested to hear from martin dempsey what exactly i think those grievances are causing what isis doing over there? martha: it's a very interesting choice of words. and i agree with you, needs to be explained further. you know, there have been a lot written over the course of this week, steve, about the schism that may exist within the

administration. i can't help but wonder when you watch this testimony here this morning. whether or not chuck hagel and martin dempsey are putting themselves on the record for how they view this situation. and that if they don't get the cooperation that they request in their own capacity from the president of the united states, that you know, that that might force a difficult decision for them. >> i think that is exactly what, particularly from martin dempsey. he was asked by senator mccain whether he regarded it as a mistake to have not supplied aid and arms to the free syrian army earlier. as many people were recommending at the time, including the secretary of defense and secretary of state and cia director. martin dempsey said, senator, you know i was in favor of doing that at the time but for policy reasons the president decided to go in another direction. that is about as forward leaning you will get from any chairman of the joint chiefs of staff but particularly martin dempsey generally shown himself to go along pretty easily with what this white house has wanted to

do. martha: yep. steve, thank you, very much. >> thanks, martha. >> steve hayes. bill: one jent man who knows an awful lot about war, general jack keane. he has been very close to us the past several years. he has evaluated this top to bottom. he has been listening along the way for the past hour and 20 minutes. he is our next guest to react what is next against the terrorists known as isis. >> this time, as we did it makes me happy to go on the computer.

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bill: back inside this hearing room. general dempsey just saying that he wanted to leave troops behind in iraq, emphasizing that point a moment ago when we were in the commercial. general jack keane, retired four-star general, chairman for institute of study of war and fox news military analyst.

good morning to you. a lot to get to in 2 1/2 minutes. quickly we listened to what we believe the administration is strategizing for against isis. what should we do? what would you do? >> well, first of all, i totally agree with the whole of government approach and said as much in print as well as on broadcast comments. and then i certainly agree with a coalition approach as well. i do believe that the ground offensive to retake the territory that has been lost, and to push isis, that is in iraq and push isis out of syria as we, is a major military aobjective, and the fact of the matter, that is where the greatest risk is. what we in the military do when we have risk like that we mitigate it. so mitigation is air ground control is down with the ground units so they can get close air support to support their close combat operations. advisors down with the fighting units, not a brigade headquarters but down where the actual fight something takes

place. special operations forces to target, kill and capture the leaders of isis as well as their critical infrastructure. attack helicopters, coalition as well as u.s., a c-130 gun ships. these. these are risk mitigators to guaranty the success of the ground offensive. i believe anybody looking at this is the true risk of this operation. bill: so given that, based on what you know and based on what you heard, how much is the administration going to follow that plan, that strategy? >> well most of it is, what if? what if something doesn't work then i will put advisors down there. what if the offensive stalls? then we'll bring in some u.s. and coalition brigades. frankly those brigade should be sitting in kuwait and, be used if that counter offensive does stall. this is u.s. combat brigades. clearly any military operation has to anticipate setbacks and

disappointments. we have to have contingency plans for it. that is, that is critical here. bill: general, we're going to rely on you an awful lot as we move ward the coming days, weeks, likely months. thank you for your insight sir. thank you for being patient. we'll talk to you real soon. jack keane in washington. >> okay, bill. martha: chuck hagel continues to answer questions what our role will be in the fight against isis. we'll take you there live right after this. >> let me assure you

caught on the police officers camera as he arrived at the scene. watch this. >> shots fired! get on the ground! >> you can see the window into what the police go through on the job.

evansville, indiana. police returning fire there, wounding one of the suspects. two people arrested. that is the result of the body camera we talked about. >> you can feel the rush in his voice. a fox news alert. eye on isis with new action at the white house and capital hill concerning the threat posed by that group. i am jon scott. >> and i am heather in for jenna lee today. president obama just wrapped up meetings with the retired u.s. general who is coordinating the international coalition against the islamic state and our isis strategy. we are going live to capital hill where we are awaiting a key vet on arming the syrian rebels and on the senate