think it's effective. that's on gretawire.com, just posted the ad. up next the o'reilly factor. good night. we'll see you tomorrow night from new york city. the o'reilly factor is on, tonight. >> if we reach the point where i believe our advisers should come from the iraq troops, i'll recommend that to the president. >> and that point will most likely come shortly, as almost every military expert says isis will not be defeated unless confronted on the ground by well trained troops. we'll have a factor investigation. >> it is not simply the absence of war, but the work of justice. >> pope francis speaking out against brutal terrorists but is he advocating the use of force? we'll debate it. what we know about adrian not only as a person but what he

has also done for this community, we believe he deserves to play while the legal process plays out. >> the general manager of the minnesota vikings reinstating running back adrian peterson, accused of beating his children. would you do that? >> caution, you are about to enter the no-spin zone. "the factor" begins right now. hi, i'm bill o'reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. fighting and defeating isis, part two. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. as we reported last night, president obama's strategy of arming disorganized syrians to defeat a well-trained terror army will never work. the president knows that, but he's afraid to tell the american people the truth. sooner or later, u.s. ground forces will have to engage isis. it's already happening. there are now close to 2,000 u.s. troops on the ground in iraq, providing support for the

kurds andx0icñ those few iraqi units that will actually fight. believe me, our special forces are armed and dangerous, and if they see an isis terrorist, a guy with a black mask, they're going to take him out. now, we also told you last night that this coalition counterterrorism strategy is designed to tamp down public opinion because iraq and afghanistan have been so painful for americans. there's little public will to once again deploy american troops in chaotic nations. everybody knows that. but again, it's going to happen, it's just a matter of when. >> our military advisers will help the iraqis conduct campaign planning, arrange for logistic support and coordination coalition activities. if we reach the point where i believe our advisers should accompany iraq troops on attacks against specific isil targets, i'll recommend that to the president. >> the u.s. and its allies will try to degrade isis from the air, but eventually there will be some ground action. the big picture here is that the islamic jihad is growing in

strength. some people believe by ignoring that, it will go away. does that make any sense to you? the more weakness america shows, the worse terrorism will become. as i said before, we're living in a very dangerous world, and many jihadists are maniacs, they'll do anything. kill children? no problem. enslave women? all day long. behead innocent people on camera? they like it. when you have that kind of a scenario, there's no negotiating. there's only confrontation. the quicker president obama and the american people come to understand that, the quicker the jihad will actually be downgraded. again, we need a declaration of war by congress, and we need president obama and the pentagon to develop a smart, tough strategy against these animals. and that's the memo. now for the top story reaction, joining us from brunswick, maine, colonel david hunt, fox news military analyst. here in the studio, lieutenant colonel tony schaefer, author of

"the last line" which is about fighting terrorism. colonel schaefer, i'm putting you in charge tonight. you're dempsey and president obama will do whatever you say. how would you defeat these people? people? organizing what we -- what exists now to be effective. we have effective forces, bill, who want to fight. the egyptians, the jordan januarys and other elements that are ready to go. why on earth would you want to invest in a group of militia who you can't control, 5,000 over a year to take on a 31,000 -- >> that's a pipe dream. i don't think egypt is going to send troops into syria to hunt down isis, do you? do you really think that? >> yes. >> yeah? >> you've got to do the nato thing. nato helped bring europe into the 21st century in many ways. what you need to do is organize those people,in sent viez the relationships and lead them. trust me, bill. the president was trained by the army war college, he understands what's at stake here. >> but he's putting his neck on the line to fight other muslims?

look, if that can happen, that would be great. i'm just not seeing it as a real possibility. colonel huntin, you're in charg. what say you? >> a couple of things. i would go to iraq first and build an economic political> who seals the border? >> before you go into syria. you've got to have political -- you have to have it. you cannot go into syria -- no arabs are going into syria righñ now. >> colonel, colonel, can you hear me in maine? can you hear me? who seals the border? who? >> i can hear you, sir, yes,

sir. you don't like sealing the border? >> the colonel is not hearing me. >> there's no way to seal the border. some of these groups have never seen the border. what we need to do is look who lives there now. i've talked to the yezidi, the syrians, the iraqi christians. they don't want to leave. why do we arm like we did in world war ii the resistance. >> that's what president obama wants to do. >> no, he wants to arm -- >> the syrian resistance. >> that's not the same thing. we're talking about the folks that are now being displaced by isis. put them back in. >> surely, colonel, you know we arm the iraqi forces and they gave their arms to isis. they all of them. >> they control the arms to the people. we need to get them. the kurds had to beg for the iraqis to get the weapons. >> so you say the surrogate armies should be the kurds. >> yes. >> and who else? >> the yezidis want to be armed. the iraqi christians.

it. >> tax too long. >> no, it doesn't. >> you're both saying surrogate people have to be used. >> yes. >> boy, you know, i don't think this isis group is going to go down with surrogates. i think you're going to have some u.s. troops guiding them in. >> like we did in afghanistan with the northern alliance. i'm not saying we shouldn't be there. we have to use them as our proxies. then, bill, i do believe -- >> syria is going to be a bridge too far right now. >> no. we have to look at that as long term. you can't defer the concept to the future. we need to deal with it now to solve it in the future. if we ignore this right now, we will continue to see chaos. right now the president's plan only adds chaos to the environment. >> nobody i know buys the syrian deal at all. all right, now colonel, i hope the audio is good up there and that you can hear me. i need specifics here. you're in charge. you say seal the border between iraq and vwceusyria, so isis ca get in or out. okay, i'm fine. who does that?

>> right now you've got some iraqi military but need some leadership. you've got peshmerga and u.s. advisers and you've got air. we can cause a lot of damage at that border. before you go into syria, you've got to have a coalition and we don't have it yet. the free syrian army does not exist, so we're going -- there's going to have to be other forces 0r/6trp+e some advisers with u.t do not hit syria yet. handle iraq first and develop this coalition which -- >> here's what i've learned from this discussion, because both of you guys are smart guys with a lot of experience, okay. this is one hell of a mess, all right. and even the finest minds are grasping for how to get these guys. and i would send in an assassination teams, that's what i would do. i would use the surrogates, but their orders would be you kill every single isis person you can. >> absolutely. >> and you create terror among

the terrorists. >> and the political leaders and the religious leaders. >> anybody associated with it. anybody associated. money men, anybody who funds it. you create terror within the terror. to do that, you have to declare war. gentlemen, thank you. next on the rundown, even pope francis is saying that isis must be stopped, but is using violence the christian way? we'll debate it. i'm charles krauthammer on american hearts and minds, how to win them over to the brutal fight against terrorists. "the factor" is coming right back. at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in. with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business.

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stop the unjust aggressor. i underscore the verb stop. i'm not saying bomb or make war, just stop. joining us now from long island, new york, father bersotti. and here in the studio, father jonathan martin, fox news analyst and author of the brand new book just out today "the way of serenity." so i'm trying to link up serenity and isis, father, and i'm having a hard time so i want to deal with the real world. turning of the cheek is the christian doctrine. you can't really turn the other cheek when you don't have a cheek attached to your body, these people beheading innocent people. so what was the pope trying to say? >> well, what would jesus do? what would jesus do? we know who jesus is. let me give you an example. if i'm in my house and my mother is there next to me and an unjust aggressor walks in. in other words, somebody who's trying to kill my mother or

trying to kill me and is going after my mother. what the pope is saying not only do you have a right but you have a responsibility to stop that person. and unfortunately when there's an unjust aggressor who's going in with a knife, for example, you can't just talk that person down. you stop them with the least amount of force necessary in order to keep them from doing a very bad thing. >> so the self defense doctrine, but this is a bit more because now we are taking the fight to isis. >> no, it's self defense. >> it's self defense even if we're on the offense. >> absolutely, because they are an unjust aggressor that is an imminent threat to either ourselves or to an innocent person. >> right. >> we do not want war, but when it's happening right now, christians and nonchristians who are being killed by terrible, nasty people, we have not only a right but a responsibility to stop them in whatever way is necessary. >> do you see it that way, father besotti?

>> no, i see it from a different perspective. i would come at it from the fundamental presumption would be against war coming from the christian tradition and papal documents and what the pope is saying is not a change from the traditional, even going back to pope john xxiii and the statements of popes in the numerous wars. >> but you have to deal with this isis threat because they are executing, as father martin rightly said, both christians and -- >> father -- >> father brisotti, as father martin said, these people are murderers and they're killing people and they're not going to stop. so the pope says they have to be stopped and you interpret that as being what? >> well, they can be stopped,

but nations -- he also specifically said it can't be just one nation. this is not just something for the united states to do, even though the united states very much set tby the war in iraq hae created the sick circumstances within which isis has thrived. >> so not just the united states, but say the united states and australia and britain go after them. are you okay with that? >> well, but also he said not -- he says i say to stop but he's not condoning more violence. >> if a parishioner comes up to you and says what's your plan to stop isis, do you have any answer at all, father? >> well, i think that there would be options. >> do you have one thing you can tell me tonight? >> yes. >> go. >> isis could -- we could organize to stop whoever is buying the oil that they're selling. >> i don't know that that's

going to stop them. father brisotti is looking at it long range in a philosophical way. yes, father, that's how you came across here and i gave you a number of minutes to articulate it and what you came up with was let's stop the people from buying oil. that was your big one. that's all i can do, father. now, father morris, you are coming out as a hawk, as a hawk. do you think that pope francis would support your position? >> i'm not a political hawk at all. in fact father brisotti and i agree fundamentally on the most important things in life. but in this case, pope francis, who would not be considered a hawk as a person, has said -- and this is way before the united states and our president even did anything, he said the international community must stop what's going on here. >> but he didn't define stop. >> well, how do you stop a terrorist? >> look, i know how to stop them but i can't put words in the

pope's mouth. all right, father morris, i'm going to get it for that, his new book is "the way of serenity." father brisotti, thank you very much. minnesota running back adrian peterson will play on sunday despite accusations he physically abused two of his sons, so why, why is he playing? later, krauthammer on what he would do to spur actions by isis. those reports after these messages.

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helping dogs help people. factor followup segment, adrian peterson is set to play this coming sunday, that despite the fact there are allegations he severely beat two of his sons. mr. peterson has been charged in one of those cases. with us here in new york city, monica crowley and powers.

so powers, i'm appointing you commissioner of the national football league, your dream job. how would you handle peterson, would he play this week? ray rice, how would you handle him and other domestic abusers. >> well, i don't think either of them would play this week or this year. i think that they should be suspended for a year. >> even peterson, who hasn't been convicted yet? >> well, he's admitted to it, though, right? so, you know, he doesn't need to be convicted. he's admitted to it. in fact he's defended it. >> but he didn't say he was a child abuser. >> no, he did not. >> he said he was disciplining his 4-year-old son. >> well, yes. well, i guess i would disagree with that's disciplining. i consider what he did more of an assault. when someone has bruises on their body, has cuts on their body, that's not quite the same as discipline. >> so just from the police report on both rice and peterson, you would suspend them for the season. anything else? >> yeah, i would require them if they wanted to come back the

following season, i would require them to undergo counseling to try to deal with the issues that are leading them to behave this way. and if they after that time seem to have understood that and had changed, then i think they should be given a second chance. >> all right, so one-year suspensions. how about you, you're the commissioner. commissioner crowley. >> that actually is my dream job. >> you go out to see the jets. see if you can do something about them. >> look, the law needs to come first and the league needs to look at special circumstances beyond that. in this case with adrian peterson, the vikings made a judgment call to have him play this week. i actually think that's the wrong judgment call. i think while the investigation is ongoing, they should have him on a suspension. >> why? >> because i think nobody wants to be in the position that's even looking like they're condoning or1bx excusing domest violence, child abuse, any kind of crime. what i disagree with is that there are calls for permanent suspension, there are calls for banning some of these people for

life, from ever playing again. you look at somebody like aaron hernandez, who was the new england patriots tight end. he is actually on trial -- >> charged with murder. >> murder. murder is a completely different ball game. >> well, he's in jail, he can't play. >> these other alleged crimes should be taken on a case-by-case basis -- >> okay. what about the reaction from the women's organizations, as monica just pointed out, kirsten, they want to ban these guys for life and have roger goodell, the commissioner, hung by his toes and thrashed or whatever. are they overreacting, the women's groups? >> i think tah, i do think that they're overreacting, though i understand where it's coming from. i understand the impulse and i think even, you know, i could see having that reaction, thinking this person should be band for life, we want to have zero tolerance for this. i have a personal view that people should be given second chances. if people are truly repentant and seek help and they want to be better and they change, that

for one mistake i don't think you should be band for your whole life. >> now, what about the crazy fans? we just saw some of them, wearing rice jerseys and one idiot woman was holding a switch, a tree switch. >> yeah, i saw. >> and with a smile on her face. are these just mentally ill people? >> i have no explanation for that beyond they have a passion for their team. and i realize this is a lame explanation because i can' explain it. it's not something i would do and i find that behavior really appalling. i agree with kirsten on this idea of redemption. you think about michael vick with the dog fighting ring. he spent 21 months in prison and then he was reinstated to the nfl. and he has really tried to be amends in terms of animal rights and working with animals and those kind of groups. he should be given a second chance. what i find really disturbing is we seem to have in this country not just related to sports but sort of across the board this mob mentality. adrian peterson may be guilty as hell, i don't know.

that's what an investigation is for. but what i find disturbing is this guilt by mob rule where we have this immediate rush to judgment. >> plus the media generated that. >> women's groups calling for roger goodell's head. roger goodell is not the demon here. you know, he is trying -- >> but he did make a mistake -- he made a mistake with rice in the beginning. >> he admitted that mistake. he is not the problem here. >> all right, ladies, very good. thank you. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. charges that hillary clinton's team destroyed evidence in the benghazi investigation. we'll tell you what we know for sure about this story. and then is it legal on why the detention of illegal aliens is such a farce. up ahead.

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our unresolved segment, troubling accusations against hillary clinton. a man named raymond maxwell a former assistant secretary of state who was disciplined for the benghazi incident where ambassador chris stevens was killed by terrorists has told an investigative report their mrs. clinton's staff may have removed documents pertinent to the investigation. the state department spokesperson marie harf denied that yesterday calling the accusation without merit. joining us now from washington, fox news chief washington correspondent, james rosen. cheryl, what do we know for sure

here? what's in fact because this is a disgruntled former state department official. he does have an ax to grind, so what do we know for sure? >> he was never charged with anything and was put on paid leave, was cleared, came back and retired. what we know is he's a very well respected 21-year foreign service officer who supported president obama, in fact personally contributed to his campaign, who was caught up in this benghazi controversy. and the deputy assistant secretary that handled libya, it was his office that put together documents when the accountability review board called for them and he discovered by happenstance that one of his officer directors had been asked to perform tasks on the weekend around him basically without being told. this was something he describes as had been close to the seventh floor, secretary clinton and her staff had been assigned there previously. he decided to pop in and check on it for himself over a weekend. he went in on a sunday afternoon and he alleges that what he found was an operation that was

described by this office director as an effort to separate out documents that could be embarrassing or damaging to the seventh floor, which is secretary clinton and her staff. >> all right. now, he didn't see any documents, though, removed himself, did he? >> not removed, no. he went through documents. he went through some stacks of papers in an office, he says, with this office director and an intern at one point. what he looked through were some cables and telegrams, he says, between tripoli and the state department and the preattack days in july and august. he felt funny about it. he questioned it and said isn't this, according to him, unethical and the office director he says replied, ray, these are our orders. and then he said after he had been there a few minutes, in walked sheryl mills, chief of staff for secretary clinton, he says, and the deputy chief of staff, jake sullivan. they spoke to him briefly, acknowledged him, kind of sheryl

mills asked why he was there, who was he and they appeared to check in on the operation, according to him, and left. i might add if we really want to get all the facts, i assume there are swipe cards and some video records and people that were in the room that can be identified. there were other people he's given names of. we could find out. >> and that could probably happen if anybody cared but i don't think you're going to get that from the administration. but one final thing. if no documents were removed, scrubbed, if they weren't taken out or destroyed, then i don't know if there's any scandal. >> well, why were they down there separating is the instruction. but i agree if no documents were removed -- >> that's the crux of this matter, if congress can get to the point where you have a videotape, you see somebody take something like this, put it in their coat and get out of there, then you have a scandal. >> or, or you have someone who took part and was knowledgeable under oath asked the right questions and if it happened, perhaps admits to it.

>> all right. now, rosen, are they mad about this at the state department? are they going to call me a sexist again for reporting this tonight? are they upset? what's going to happen? >> let's be clear, there is noin investiga vective that can be hurled at you that's too minor. the state department's position is that mr. maxwell was accusing mrs. clinton's staff of sanitizing documents before they were turned over to the state department's accountability review board. the position is the accountability review board had access to everything it needed, unfettered access to everything it needed. marie harf who wasn't present during the first term in answering questions about this does couldn't answer whether the arb, the accountability review board, couldn't possibly know what it didn't have access to. one point about this matter, democrats on the house oversight committee, which has previously

investigated benghazi, have noted that mr. maxwell was formally interviewed by that panel with a transcript prepared and despite many opportunities to do so, he never disclosed this shocking scene of obstructions of justice by high level state department officials that he claims to have witnessed. that omission will ensure that if and when mr. maxwell testifies before the house benghazi committee, he will face some rough sledding in cross examination. >> why didn't you say it when you had theñ:x first opportunit >> all of this is not to say that what mr. maxwell claims to have witnessed did not happen, it just deserves further investigation before it's deemed credible. >> he did tell members of congress he did report this a year ago to staff and gowdy. >> all right. we hope the investigation does get to the bottom of it one way or another because i'm tired of having allegations that go nowhere. sharyl, rosen, thank you. the deportation of illegal

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cross the southern border. an analysis at syracuse university in new york says that there are nearly 400,000 illegal immigration cases pending in the nation's 59 immigration courts. here now to explain -- it's a joke to think any illegal alien who makes it across the border and vendors, which is the tactic they're using now, why bother to run when you can just walk over, surrender and the government will fly you where you want to go and you've got 400,000 people ahead of you. so somewhere -- >> the average wait right now is two years, but goes up to five. and by the way, this is after -- >> this is for a hearing. >> this is just for a hearing. forget about what actually happens. the deportations and removals are down 20% from last year. meanwhile you've got all of this backlog of the 400,000, 66,000 of them are children. and the children have a right of course -- >> so i want everybody in the country listening tonight and

this will get out on all the websites to understand why people come here. because they know that as soon as they get here, you don't have to run through the desert anymore. you don't have to climb over a tree anymore. you just have to somehow get across, surrender to the border patrol and then they will take you, send you -- i have an uncle monte and he's in vegas. >> right. >> you're off on a government dime and then five years later, maybe you'll get a hearing and they're banking on they'll have amnesty by then. >> why wouldn't you do it? the other way is so exhausting, right? this way you win. at the end of this, there's a rainbow because you get to stay. you get to say i'm in school. >> 400,000 people ahead of you. >> stay on and if you're a woman, you get pregnant and then you have a baby, then that baby is american. you see how this works? and there are so many loopholes around this. >> i just want everybody to know that you hear this garbage out of washington, but the reality of the situation, as we said with the isis terrorists, is

totally opposite. and they all know it. they're so cynical. all right, in philadelphia some kid, 22-year-old guy was selling heroin out of his house, is that correct? >> this is upsetting, yes. this is the individual, the 22-year-old, and it was $fort worth of heroin. he pled no contest. >> sold to an undercover. >> right. >> his parents' home was seized. >> by whom? >> by the authorities. by the philadelphia police department. >> seized the home? >> yes. >> of the heroin dealer, who admitted he did it. this is a pretty big house. >> this is the parents that own this house. this kid, as far as we know -- >> but he was living there and selling out of there. >> well, $40 of heroin? >> well, you think that was the only transaction he did? but that's what i was caught on. >> how come -- >> he's a dealer. he's dealing out of his house. >> how can that father who's got his own little paint shop there

and trying to earn a decent living, why doesn't he get to say this is my house, i paid for it. >> because he let his kid sell heroin out of there. i don't know it but in order to seize you have to show -- >> he pled no contest and admitted his guilt to selling narcotics out of the home. >> hard drugs. >> yes. this particular instance it's heroin, highly addictive, very dangerous drug, controlled substance. >> i think the city has to show that this is going on for a while and that the parents had to know or if they didn't know -- >> the parents are entitled to due process, we'll agree on that, to be able to plead their case. so the parents are in the house. they have to go every month to prove their case to say that the son is no longer residing in the house. >> arkansas state football team, they had a christian cross decal, and who wanted it off? >> the freedom for religion foundation. here's the thing.

the reason that they had this on the back of their helmet was two of their players action two of their teammates died. >> they were honoring their players by having the cross. >> exactly. in memory of them. >> and the anti-religion nuts come down and say you have to take it off and they took it off. >> they say it's a violation of church and state. the university said fine, we're going to step in and put these two little lines and put the number of the jersey of the two young men that died -- >> arkansas state said, no, we're not going to take this off the helmet, would they have won? >> i think they would have because under the establishment clause, the supreme court has looked at this very broad when it comes to colleges as opposed to middle schools. >> especially if they can prove -- >> that it's for -- >> they were honoring. >> that's the thing. it should have been fine, but guess what, they get bruankrupt out of these lawsuits and don't want to pay legal fees. >> all universities have legal on the payroll. >> they should have fought it. >> all right, krauthammer is on

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back of the book segment time, persuading the folks to fight isis. a new poll from pew research center asks this question. what concerns you more about u.s. military action in iraq and syria, that the u.s. will go too far in getting involved or not go far enough. the nation is split. 41% will say we will go too far. 41% not far enough. joining us now from washington, the author of the 1 million copy best seller "things that matter," charles krauthammer. all right. so you are making a nationwide speech tonight, but i'm going to interrupt you rudely.

but you're talking to millions and millions of people. how do you convince them that some ground troops are going to be necessary to defeat this isis crew? >> look, we already had general dempsey beginning to lift the flap of the tent to let people know that's where we are going. you're going to need a president who's committed, who's going to make the case, but who will say this. this is not a naked u.s. invasion. it's not going to be just american tanks rolling down as we did in 2003. this has to be -- and here's what i think is being missed. i heard earlier on the show all these ideas of who will do the fighting for us, the yezidis, the christians, i mean this is ridiculous. priests in tanks who are untrained? it's a romantic idea. that's not going to work. the people who can do the fighting and augustmement and hs or we could help them are going to be the kurds, but only in their area, some of the elite shiite militias, but the most

important element, the one that wasn't mentioned on the show at all and has to be is going to be the anbar sunni tribesmen. this is not as if this is a new script. the script was written by david petraeus in was written by davi petraeus in 2008 and 2007. that is the only way this is going to work. you're going to have to have the sunni tribes flip a third time. they supported al qaeda in iraq at the beginning of the war, then they flipped. petraeus did that during the surge. supported by american troops. that was lost by maliki who cut them off, persecuted them, starved them of arms and the money. what we have to do now is win them back. if we win them back, you can expel isis from iraq. we may have to have our people on the ground with them. it's not clear how many. if you don't have the anbar tribes who know how to fight and would fight, then we can win.

you got to expel isis. >> we hire them and pay them a lot of money. they'll be mercenaries. >> it's not just hiring them. no, they don't like isis. >> no, i know. >> they expelled al qaeda in iraq with a vengeance in 2007 and 2008 because of how barbarous these people were. they made an alliance of slee convenience because they were being oppressed by the shiite majority we left in maliki. if we can get them to flip back to our side and they rise up against isil. >> you'll need special forces to do that. >> i agree with you on that. but embassy tthat's the backbon >> most people don't understand it. i'm not being supercilious. you can't ask everybody to micro into iraq. >> it's not micro. you tell them they have to fight with the local resistance. they can win. but they have to --

>> you would think president obama would know that because petraeus is around and dempsey knows petraeus and they know this. i don't think the president just tells the truth to american people. he sells them some pie in the sky vision of, okay, syrian rebels and we'll bring them over and train them and they'll defeat them. nobody believes that. nobody. just like the immigration thing that, oh, yeah, we're going to get immigration courts and get these people back. come on, you're not going to do any of that. when does it come a point where you just -- people just don't listen to him any more? >> bill, i said that on the night of the speech last week. this was a political speech. it wasn't a military speech. this was obama reacting to the change in public opinion that was a result of the beheadings on video. nothing had changed on the ground. isis wasn't any stronger or weaker after the video than it was before but obama completely changed his policy because he's

driven as he always is but public opinion. not by strategic changes on the ground. the crowd was already on the way, the people were furious, so he followed the crowd. he leads from behind all the time. and this time -- >> the leading that he did was bogus. he sold this -- >> i'm with you on that. >> that could never happen. with all due respect, he thinks the egyptian troops are going to go fight them. i don't think there's a chance in hell the -- >> of course not. the egyptians won't even support us in egypt. >> the islamic brotherhood in their own country rising up and killing them. they're not going to send troops over to syria. so all this stuff is just pie in the sky. i don't know. i i think the folks have had enough. when they hear this, they get a headache and turn on another show. >> not as if it's impossible. you get a president who explains we're going to try to do what we did with the successful surge in 2007 and '08 to flip the people

on the ground who accepted isis but will reject them if only we support them and offer them a place in iraq that they were denied. that's the only way it's going to work. unless obama explains it, it's never going to happen. i agree what he sold them was a bill of goods, especially over what happened in syria. >> but is it even close any more? it couldn't happen no matter what. then i'm just going like this. it is me? no, it's not. >> no, it's not you. >> when you and i agree, charles, the world knows that we're right. the book that explains evil in the world.

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there's skip cameron. nice shirt, skip. thanks for watching us tonight. megyn is next. please always remember the spin stops here because looking out for you. breaking tonight, round two between the commander in chief and our most trusted military general. welcome to the kelly file, everyone, i'm megyn kelly. general martin dempsey is by law the highest ranking officer in the u.s. military. today in a senate hearing on the white house plan to defeat isis, he seemed to go against one of the president's biggest promises, suggesting that u.s. boots on the ground in iraq could be a very real possibility. >> my view at this point is that this coalition is the appropriate way forward. i believe that will prove true. but if it fails to be true and if there are threats to the united states, then i,